marilyn manson video? sounds awesome. but i think you made that comment out of ignorance, seeing as a manson video would make it good.
you don't seem to know what it is you like. you buy an 'alt-porn' movie and your criticism is that it wasn't 'straight.' and then you go on to diss 'alt,' whatever the fuck that is.
there's PLENTY of 'straight' stuff out there. why would you deviate if you can't handle the 'alt'?
i'm with Ramsey, it sounds like a newsgroup.
i should've gone with a pithy one liner too, but i wrote all this instead.
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Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 8:22AM
It might be helpful for someone to define exactly what "alt" porn is.
i know exactly what i like, but i thought i would try out alt-porn becuz it is new and has buzz around it. people do that u knowthis was my first experience with alt-porn. wanted to see what all the fuss was about.
also this video Blacklight Beauty has girls i like, so thought this would be my place to start
people buy new stuff. then they talk about it. you being slow on purpose or what?so you are ignorant about what alt-porn is. okay [invalid URL removed]read this and consider my thread warning against it
There are aspects to "alt porn" that I really like, and could point towards opening up the broader sexuality and fetish elements that your typical "couch porn" reduces to brain-deading formula. My problem is that too much of it is made by people who are more "alt" than "porn." And they seem stuck on recycling ideas that were kind of passe 20 years ago. I mean, I don't even think Greg Araki shoots Greg Araki movies like he did when he did "Doom Generation." And a lot of alt-porn just looks like "transgressive" cinema gone art-fag pseud: it's a punchline for a Dan Clowes comic panel.
On the other hand, I kind of root for anything that even pretends to not be the usual gonzo, and I usually like the types of girls that get cast, and the outfits. The problem is the editing and the lighting and the shooting make it harder to enjoy watching the actual sex. What does your average gonzo monkey know that art school grads don't?
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Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 3:37PM
Whats up with all the anger? Nobody held a gun up to your head and made you buy it. Doing a little research ahead of time or looking at reviews well help in avoiding unwanted purchases. Shit in this case just looking at the boxcover.
Like I said in another thread I liked it and I don't usually like movies like this.
I hate this kind of shit, even without watching it I know I hate it with all my heart, that I would like to beat up the director and fire every person on set that doesn't add anything to the hot sex performed.
But where the money is, that's where people think there's respect. Fuck that... I have more respect for the old-school gonzo directors who didn't give a shit about lighting and didn't even know how to cut the video. If not quality, at least it's real. A childrens' painting over a complex conceptualist...
Movies can be artistic, I don't mind, but when it takes over and stands in the way of the plot or action, I can't get over it, I get so pissed because then I KNOW someone didn't want to show me something or tell me something, this persons wanted to show off himself, tripping on ego... disgusting. And the rant goes on...
Saying alt porn "suuuuucks" just because of one film is like saying all anal movies are bad because you didn't like one anal film. you can't chastise a genre based on one film. Besides alt porn is an over used over rated term anyhow.
I don't think you'll find anybody shooting porn who doesn't have an ego.
If you want to argue the critical merits of a porn movie, fine, but, given the many conflicting demands made on porners, you can't really blame anybody just because they aren't pleasing you.
There are literally dozens of new movies released each week. Move on.
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Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 8:03PM
Oh now I get it, sexless porn with a lot of tat's and mascara.
I seen two alt-porn movies Kill girl kill 3 and Joanna's Angels. I liked Joanna's Angels, the sex wasn't hard as I usually like to see but it was a fun flick .
Kill Girl Kill 3 was straight Gonzo with tattooed girls getting fucked to alternative music . it felt like i was watching the Dark brothers stuff with tattooed girls.
If I can make a judgement what alt-porn is from two flicks. Throw in some tatted up girls some alternative music ,copy the Dark brothers stuff ....slap the alt-porn label on the cover and you got a new genre
As a 49 year old male, I figured "alt porn" was never targeted at me in the first place. However I still find the "alt girl" look very hot, but the movies, I just don't enjoy. That doesn't mean it sucks, just that it's not for me.
In an ideal world alt porn would have been a mixture of AlexD/early Ninn/Susi Medudusa Gottardi/Salvation Films/insex/early Rammstein/NIN/Umbra et Imago.
i like a little Ninn, but the sex isn't always the best. i am with Zartyr in that 'alt' porn should be something better than what it is. surely, at the moment it's like the dark, vivid equivalent, when there should be a dark gonzo equivalent.
i just don't get how you not like marilyn manson aesthetics and pick a porno with goth-industrial theme, even though manson has never even approached that. see: NIN.
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Posted - Sep 3 2006 : 12:59AM
Comparing alt porn to Dark Brothers is an insult to the Dark Brothers. The end product of Greg Dark wiping his ass with a reel of film would be far more interesting than any alt porn movie I've ever seen. I've been left with the impression the the alt. part refered to an alternative to proper lighting, focus, and camera angles.
Based on what little I've seen, sadly I have to agree with this. Ultimately, whether the girls are blonde with tan bodies and big boobs, or black haired, pale bodied and tats, once you start actually showing hard dicks going into wet holes, the same financial contraints apply. The director is going to be under the same production constraints, and the DVD is going to be pumped through the same distribution chain. This is going to excert as much, if not more influence on the end result as anyone's vision, no matter how authentic or avante garde.
First of all, successful micro budget indies are so rare they can be all but discounted as having any thing meaningful to teach anyone about the business of making movies.
Secondly, microbudget indies depend on people who will work for nothing or next to nothing in the hope of making the long shot pay off. The SAG ultralow budget agreement is $100/day with no backend. What kind of porn are you going to make paying talent $100/day? None, that's what kind. (Except maybe Suicide Girls softcore.)
According to Freud, everybody's got ego... alt porn is like David Hasselhoff, it's not even big ego, it's just the joy of being creative without knowing that it crosses over to bad taste. Total lack of insight in one's own work... and usually the people around you sense this creative exuberance and don't have the heart to say anything nasty.
You know for a week or two earlier this year, journalist were asking me if what I did was "alt porn". What I said was 1) Alt porn requires a matte box and follow focus, and I don't use either. 2) Alt porn is for the cool kids, and I never was, and am (obviously) not one of the cool kids.