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thug-o-matic
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29 Posts
5/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 6:52AM
just saw Blacklight Beauty. i want my fuckin money back

how could u have Joanna Angel, Alicia Alighotti and Riley Mason in a movie and it aint sexy?

by turning it into a god damn marilyn manson video.

overbearing jumpy editing that kills all the action, shitty industrial music instead of sound, some annoying pompous jerk in a clown costume

whole thing was most pretentious and non-erotic attempt at porno i ever seen

thug-o-matic
Member

29 Posts
5/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 6:57AM
i just cant get over how bad it is

it is one big ego-trip for the director

all alt-porn seems to be this way

with the girls they hired they couldve made a hot video if they just did it straight

but noooo, have to be so "alt" about it. bullshit man

Ramsey
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Trina Michaels fan
10332 Posts
10/02
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 7:45AM
What's alt-porn? Sounds more like a newsgroup.
ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 7:56AM
marilyn manson video? sounds awesome. but i think you made that comment out of ignorance, seeing as a manson video would make it good.

you don't seem to know what it is you like. you buy an 'alt-porn' movie and your criticism is that it wasn't 'straight.' and then you go on to diss 'alt,' whatever the fuck that is.

there's PLENTY of 'straight' stuff out there. why would you deviate if you can't handle the 'alt'?

i'm with Ramsey, it sounds like a newsgroup.

i should've gone with a pithy one liner too, but i wrote all this instead.

Clam Digger
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Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good.
2268 Posts
1/05
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 8:22AM
It might be helpful for someone to define exactly what "alt" porn is.

Clam

 
ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 8:30AM
[invalid URL removed]alt-porn
ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 8:32AM
what would you expect with a cover like [invalid URL removed]this?
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 8:39AM

I'd be very surprised if Blacklight Beauty looks like a Marilyn Mason video.

The beautiful people, the beautiful people – aaahhh!

ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 8:42AM
[invalid URL removed]Floria Sigismondi
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 8:51AM
We're all stars in the dope show. Sadly, fame just isn't that fungible anymore

thug-o-matic
Member

29 Posts
5/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 1:50PM
i know exactly what i like, but i thought i would try out alt-porn becuz it is new and has buzz around it. people do that u know
this was my first experience with alt-porn. wanted to see what all the fuss was about.

also this video Blacklight Beauty has girls i like, so thought this would be my place to start

people buy new stuff. then they talk about it. you being slow on purpose or what?
so you are ignorant about what alt-porn is. okay
[invalid URL removed]read this and consider my thread warning against it
thug-o-matic
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29 Posts
5/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 1:54PM
[invalid URL removed]read this

dont believe the hype

thug-o-matic
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29 Posts
5/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 2:06PM
also fuck marilyn manson.
skronker
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Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 3:18PM
There are aspects to "alt porn" that I really like, and could point towards opening up the broader sexuality and fetish elements that your typical "couch porn" reduces to brain-deading formula. My problem is that too much of it is made by people who are more "alt" than "porn." And they seem stuck on recycling ideas that were kind of passe 20 years ago. I mean, I don't even think Greg Araki shoots Greg Araki movies like he did when he did "Doom Generation." And a lot of alt-porn just looks like "transgressive" cinema gone art-fag pseud: it's a punchline for a Dan Clowes comic panel.

On the other hand, I kind of root for anything that even pretends to not be the usual gonzo, and I usually like the types of girls that get cast, and the outfits. The problem is the editing and the lighting and the shooting make it harder to enjoy watching the actual sex. What does your average gonzo monkey know that art school grads don't?

Roxy Deville told me she loved the clown. There should be clowns. Send in the clowns.

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 3:20PM
Don't bother, they're here.
 
absynth
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absynth makes the heart grow fonder
434 Posts
8/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 3:35PM
I'm all for a side of variety with my porn...
orange
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The best oranges are the toughest to peel. . .
57 Posts
4/05
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 3:37PM
Whats up with all the anger? Nobody held a gun up to your head and made you buy it. Doing a little research ahead of time or looking at reviews well help in avoiding unwanted purchases. Shit in this case just looking at the boxcover.

Like I said in another thread I liked it and I don't usually like movies like this.

Gunzo
Senior Member

1377 Posts
2/05
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 7:14PM
I hate this kind of shit, even without watching it I know I hate it with all my heart, that I would like to beat up the director and fire every person on set that doesn't add anything to the hot sex performed.

But where the money is, that's where people think there's respect. Fuck that... I have more respect for the old-school gonzo directors who didn't give a shit about lighting and didn't even know how to cut the video. If not quality, at least it's real. A childrens' painting over a complex conceptualist...

Movies can be artistic, I don't mind, but when it takes over and stands in the way of the plot or action, I can't get over it, I get so pissed because then I KNOW someone didn't want to show me something or tell me something, this persons wanted to show off himself, tripping on ego... disgusting. And the rant goes on...

IWAdult
Member

628 Posts
5/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 7:49PM
Saying alt porn "suuuuucks" just because of one film is like saying all anal movies are bad because you didn't like one anal film. you can't chastise a genre based on one film. Besides alt porn is an over used over rated term anyhow.

Edited by - IWAdult on 9/2/2006 7:55:05 PM

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14596 Posts
3/02
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 7:54PM
I don't think you'll find anybody shooting porn who doesn't have an ego.

If you want to argue the critical merits of a porn movie, fine, but, given the many conflicting demands made on porners, you can't really blame anybody just because they aren't pleasing you.

There are literally dozens of new movies released each week. Move on.

Clam Digger
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2268 Posts
1/05
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 8:03PM
Oh now I get it, sexless porn with a lot of tat's and mascara.

Clam

Drop a load
Senior Member

My leg hurts
1098 Posts
11/05
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 8:44PM
I seen two alt-porn movies Kill girl kill 3 and Joanna's Angels. I liked Joanna's Angels, the sex wasn't hard as I usually like to see but it was a fun flick .

Kill Girl Kill 3 was straight Gonzo with tattooed girls getting fucked to alternative music . it felt like i was watching the Dark brothers stuff with tattooed girls.


If I can make a judgement what alt-porn is from two flicks.
Throw in some tatted up girls some alternative music ,copy the Dark brothers stuff ....slap the alt-porn label on the cover and you got a new genre

baronorca
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Montana
528 Posts
1/01
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 9:19PM
As a 49 year old male, I figured "alt porn" was never targeted at me in the first place. However I still find the "alt girl" look very hot, but the movies, I just don't enjoy. That doesn't mean it sucks, just that it's not for me.
Zartyr
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700 Posts
7/04
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 9:38PM
In an ideal world alt porn would have been a mixture of AlexD/early Ninn/Susi Medudusa Gottardi/Salvation Films/insex/early Rammstein/NIN/Umbra et Imago.
ma meeshka
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3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 10:07PM
+1

stein um stein

 
ma meeshka
Iconoclastic Member

3939 Posts
4/06
Posted - Sep 2 2006 : 10:12PM
i like a little Ninn, but the sex isn't always the best. i am with Zartyr in that 'alt' porn should be something better than what it is. surely, at the moment it's like the dark, vivid equivalent, when there should be a dark gonzo equivalent.

i just don't get how you not like marilyn manson aesthetics and pick a porno with goth-industrial theme, even though manson has never even approached that. see: NIN.

the unknown pervert
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3243 Posts
5/06
Posted - Sep 3 2006 : 12:59AM
Comparing alt porn to Dark Brothers is an insult to the Dark Brothers. The end product of Greg Dark wiping his ass with a reel of film would be far more interesting than any alt porn movie I've ever seen. I've been left with the impression the the alt. part refered to an alternative to proper lighting, focus, and camera angles.
respect
Member

200 Posts
11/04
Posted - Sep 3 2006 : 5:26AM
The sex in "alt" porn seems to be as robotic as the sex in "mainstream" gonzo/feature porn.

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Sep 3 2006 : 5:57AM
Based on what little I've seen, sadly I have to agree with this. Ultimately, whether the girls are blonde with tan bodies and big boobs, or black haired, pale bodied and tats, once you start actually showing hard dicks going into wet holes, the same financial contraints apply. The director is going to be under the same production constraints, and the DVD is going to be pumped through the same distribution chain. This is going to excert as much, if not more influence on the end result as anyone's vision, no matter how authentic or avante garde.

respect
Member

200 Posts
11/04
Posted - Sep 3 2006 : 8:26AM
Maybe you are right.

But there are great independent movies which were made with amateur actors and a relatively small budget.

And there is big-budget-porn like "Pirates" - but a lot of the money was spent on costumes, special effects etc.


TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Sep 3 2006 : 8:55AM
Don't believe the hype.

First of all, successful micro budget indies are so rare they can be all but discounted as having any thing meaningful to teach anyone about the business of making movies.

Secondly, microbudget indies depend on people who will work for nothing or next to nothing in the hope of making the long shot pay off. The SAG ultralow budget agreement is $100/day with no backend. What kind of porn are you going to make paying talent $100/day? None, that's what kind. (Except maybe Suicide Girls softcore.)

Gunzo
Senior Member

1377 Posts
2/05
Posted - Sep 3 2006 : 4:27PM
According to Freud, everybody's got ego... alt porn is like David Hasselhoff, it's not even big ego, it's just the joy of being creative without knowing that it crosses over to bad taste. Total lack of insight in one's own work... and usually the people around you sense this creative exuberance and don't have the heart to say anything nasty.
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 10:09AM
[invalid URL removed]Freddy and Eddy love BLACKLIGHT BEAUTY
DanaDeArmond
Porn Unicorn

TheInternetsGirlfriend.com
2786 Posts
1/06
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 5:56PM
alt porn is a cult.
its not for everybody.
but the people that are making it and who they are making it for, love it.
and i think thats what matters.

look for
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from VIVID ALT
in November

xo
dd

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 6:19PM
Is there a secret high-sign, or midnight rituals?
 
DanaDeArmond
Porn Unicorn

TheInternetsGirlfriend.com
2786 Posts
1/06
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 6:57PM
oh come on... you know i cant tell you that.
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 7:17PM
Yeah, I figured.

You know for a week or two earlier this year, journalist were asking me if what I did was "alt porn". What I said was 1) Alt porn requires a matte box and follow focus, and I don't use either. 2) Alt porn is for the cool kids, and I never was, and am (obviously) not one of the cool kids.

skronker
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Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 7:18PM
I bet you don't have a tattoo, either.
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 7:20PM
Nope, no tattoo either
skronker
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Scopophiliac
9780 Posts
9/02
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 7:30PM
You rode the shortbus to school.
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 7:39PM
It's true. I was a special needs child.
Brian_Wallace
Member

108 Posts
6/04
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 7:55PM

I really love "alt porn" or whatever you want to call it. Joanna Angel, Eon McKai, Jack the Ripper, etc. It seems fresh, original and different.

Brian

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 8:43PM
looks like it would be psychedelic
cm37564
Senior Member

1105 Posts
9/05
Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 4:40PM

they should just let Joanna direct all those things

she knows how to do 'em right

no music video crap

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