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project getsome
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 8:41PM
I have been watching porn ever since I was a teenager. And now that Im a little older (23), I cant help but think about the girls in the porn movies and why I like them, and the whole psychological sense of everything.
Why is there such popularity in young girls. I cant really make too much sense of it since most of these girls in porn are around my age. So they are all "game" in the sense of, if there was a girl this hot living next door, I might try and do the same type of acts with her (on a monogamous level of course)
So I'd like to ask a couple questions to some of the other people to see if I can make some sense of this. Other than the common sense approach that sides with the fact that they are young and tight bodied starlets, and thats usually better than an old sagging wrinkled body woman... what is it that we like.
I cant help but notice all the "teeny" movies obsessing on young, brace-faced girls in pigtails getting sodomized? Why are there all these barely legal titles?
Why are there so many girls that look "pre-pubescent" getting so much attention. I understand there are just plain facts like... okay I particularly dont "always" love huge double d tits.. or something along those lines, but why do you also have to act out the roles with girls on swing sets, and talking in that endearing "daddy's little girl" voice?
Some titles like "Im a Big Girl Now" and "Jailbait" come to mind with what Im talking about. Do any of you think this promotes pedafilia and/or child molestation?
Obviously its better for perverts to live out this type of sick addiction by watchin this type of stuff be done to legal aged women, rather than them prowling on minors like sickos. But isn't this just as wrong?
conquistador
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 8:47PM
Ummm, because young girls are also young and good looking?
project getsome
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 8:56PM
That cant be all.
I mean, a hot girl is a hot girl. And probably when Im 50 years old, just because a girl is 21, Im not going to think, "oh, shes too young". Im going to think, "damn she's hot".
But that cant be all. I also understand sexual talent has alot to do with the attraction, that its so engaging to see a girl that looks so young pull of a double anal, or swallow 10 loads, but it still bothers me. It has to do something with the perverted-ness of it. Maybe we are all just a little bit 'sicko' too.
licker
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 9:23PM
Attraction to young women who have just entered their reproductive years has been built into the male gene pattern by millions of years of evolution.
Simply, it is a survival instinct that impels the male ape to choose a female ape that can give him the greatest possible number of surviving offspring.
It has nothing to do with paedophilia, which is attraction to partners that have not reached sexual maturity.
project getsome
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 9:40PM
Maybe my wording was wrong. Maybe I should have used the word predator.
Even when I was 18 I was not attracted to 12-13 year olds, which is what those girls in the pigtails, with braces and doing porn are portraying.
And please understand Im not blaming the girls themselves. Im blaming the industry.
 
project getsome
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 9:40PM
edit: double post
Edited by - project getsome on 7/19/2007 9:41:27 PM
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 9:48PM
Well, while I think the teeny bopper thing gets overdone quite a bit, the fact that men want to see 18-25 year old girls fucking is no more surprising than the fact that flies are attracted to manure.
OK. Maybe that's a gross comparison but it's just a fact. It's perfectly natural for a man to be attracted to a 21 year old. As Licker said, that has nothing to do with pedophilia at all.
I've always thought the "schoolgirl" thing was pretty tacky, actually. But it's a bit of a gray area because college girls are still schoolgirls and most of them are legal. I kinda wish they wouldn't do it because it does piss anti porn people off even more than they already are.
I don't think porn promotes anything. It's just entertainment. When I saw Scarface, I didn't run out to join the mob.
project getsome
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 10:07PM
I think more people have a porn addiction that a Scarface addiction. Its also more intimate in choosing what porn to watch. As all of us notice. We dont just go buy any old flick.
I guess what Im really trying to get at is something along the lines of... why would you want to see this person over that. I cant really say what Im trying to use names, so I will use some real TV stars instead. Like... Why would you want to see Hannah Montana in a porn, who is a young girl, under developed, not tits, no ass, braces, really skinny, over say Jessica Alba?
If they both have the same type of sexual energy, they both do the same type of sex acts, and just as well, isnt it a sickness to want to watch the younger looking girl, when the older one looks better (or is supposed to) anyhow?
Isn't that a way of sort of endorsing child predators?
Maybe Im just watching that MSNBC special "How to catch a Predator" too much. Because I just cant see what they see. And I think the whole "teeny" porn is promoting it.
ragingbull
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 10:17PM
obviously their is some truth to your argument, let's face men like cute young girls, just nature
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 10:59PM
Those words get tossed around so casually these days they don't even mean anything anymore. Sorry. Everybody's a "predator" now. It's ridiculous.
The girls in all American movies are legal (or at least they're supposed to be). I've already stated that I wish they wouldn't do the teeny thing which is hard to defend. I don't control that. But I'm not gonna say I wouldn't fuck the hell out of an 18-25 year old or that there's a damn thing wrong with it.
Promoting what? People are what they are. You're not gonna be perfectly normal one day, see a porn flick featuring a 35 year old secretary in a plaid skirt and pigtails and decide to try and hook up with an 8 year old the next. You see this stuff more now because it's more out in the open and because of the internet, primarily. It always went on, I'm sure. It just wasn't talked about so much. Mostly whispered about. And every household in the country didn't have a wide open line to the rest of the world (A computer).
And then, it could just as easily be said that Dateline promotes it more than anything else. Why? Because it makes a huge deal out of a social taboo. And when you do that, you make it even more attractive to the kind of people who like it because it's taboo. Basically, they're just pouring fuel on the fire.
back attack
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Posted - Jul 19 2007 : 11:22PM
Please welcome Chris Hanson to the board.
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 12:18AM
it is cyclical.
dvd4dvd
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 12:27AM
good question.
if you answer the question straight forward, the answer is no.
Ive never opened a mag, or viewed a movie, where the opening message, or opening credits, or the credits say..here yeee here yeee..we endorse and support all pedophiles and molesters.
now it is a proven, undenial and unquestionable fact that if a person is sexually oppressed for x amount of reasons, and if that person watches enough porn (and Im talking the real sick type, no holes barred type porn), that eventually that can unleash a sick puppy inside that would do just about anything including your dog fido and your cat fluffy.
I think if porn were to actually promote again both pedophiles and molesters and make it plain, blunt and in your face that they are totally against it. maybe porn would gain alot of respect and acceptance.
again. my answer is NO..PORN DOES NOT ENDORSE PEDOPHILES AND MOLESTERS, BUT there are those sick directors that push the envelope by creating videos call "babysitting, barely 18, yadayada, etc!.
there's alot of sick f'kers out there. you don't want to make them sicker than what they are already are.
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Johnothan Pedak
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 12:41AM
No. Those "people" don't get turned on by the teeny stuff because they know that the performer is 18-20.
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 1:03AM
I never chat online with young girls just so you all know.
 
project getsome
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 1:05AM
Yeah. Hahahahaha. I agree with you guys totally.
There are still a couple problems though.
Its not a 35 (or even 25) year old secretary. Its going to be a chick who is 18-19 "underdeveloped" compared to most other 18 yr olds, 90lbs wet and 5'0 or shorter.
The main thing is I've heard pornstars say in interviews, once they reach a certain age, they will ditch the braces, get implants, and change up their whole image. Showing that the "under 18" look is a certain profile they were fitting into, but they will have to change that to continue a sucessful career.
But you guys get the gyst of what Im saying. Babysitter club, Who's your Daddy?, etc... type of stuff. Its gotta be changed up some. Even if not the wardrobe and settings, atleast the child-type dialogue and movie titles.
Mister Satan
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 2:58AM
Let's take a look at Cody Lane when she first started out
circa 2006:
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compared to what she looks like now.
circa 2007:
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...
hunh...doesn't look all that different besides the tan...
okay, I just felt like posting some Cody, but in my mind the reason people like the teen aged stars is because of how smooth their skin looks. Barely any sun damage, maximum elasticity, and if they haven't been smoking for too long, no crows feet around the eyes/. I guess you could also say it dates back to pagan Rome and 15th-17th century Europe, especially France and Spain. The satanic masses for the most part always revolved around young girls aged 13-17 who would lick and ride the Baphomet's cock while crowds watched in ecstasy. They later baked a cake on her tummy and devoured it, later licking her young flesh clean. It's all in how you view it I guess.
As for under 21 porn being snake oil, peddled indiscriminately to the masses to condition them into watching child porn...well, actually I could see a correlation there. A guy watches an 18 year old being sodomized like she's been doing it for years may lead him into trying to pick up younger girls because younger always means tighter in the pervert's mind. But it always depends on the state of the person's mind...
other reference: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/12chan
MissJanet
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 3:50AM
I'm not a man, but pretty certain that even a porn addicted man has a sense for the difference between a contracted 18 year old girl roleplaying in a controlled invironment and the situation of a 12 year old in a real rape situation.
So while I find the whole pigtail, braced, school uniform stuff totally tacky, I don't think that it is encouraging potential pedophiles. Imho it is just fun.
Edited by - MissJanet on 7/20/2007 3:52:19 AM
nibelungo
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 5:20AM
Q: Does porn endorse pedophiles/molesters?
A: Definitely no!!!
I'm very annoyed about witch hunt against pornography!
I think that in this world a lot of things are dirtiest than pornography.
And I don't understand why I should be a perverted boy if I'm amused when I watch Kat or Leah Luv or Alexis Love or Celina Cross or Micah Moore...in action.
Pornography has always been present in the human mind. In every age a lot of artists have portrayed naked bodies, penis, vaginas...It has always been a way to amusing, teasing but also to discovering better themselves and the others...
Young looking girls, pigtails, miniskirts, lollipops...have never hurt nobody.
Kensington Chapp
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 7:29AM
licker, my fellow gentleman;
"It has nothing to do with paedophilia, which is attraction to partners that have NOT reached sexual maturity."
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So therefore if a man is attracted to a 14 year old girl, that's NOT paedophilia??
The chavs have proved that 13 or even 12 year old girls have reached sexual maturity, in that they often have children at that age.
And those are girls who have been smoking, drinking and doing drugs for a few years; hence they would be less fertile than a normal, civilised girl.
(For a definition of "chav", see www.urbandictionary.com)
ntfighter
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 8:20AM
I can see the OP's point. It's not only the school-girl themed porn, but kind of a general trend. Only recently has women older than their early twenties been able to work regularly in the biz. The argument that it is natural or built in for males to be attracted to youth is a bit suspect. IMHO evolution would favor healthy woman, exhibiting matured sex characteristic, breast, hips, hair in the right places porn kind of shows the opposite.
sir wankalot
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 8:42AM
Porn will always cater to taboo perversions. Many peoples fantasies rely on a scenario or an act being taboo.
Although the girls aren't underage, i think a lot of guys get off on the whole underage scenario being portrayed in the video.
The film sets the scene and the viewer merely has to use his imagination in a way they choose.
(ie: they are a teacher fucking the 15yr old pupil....the film with a teenager in braces gives the visual depiction and stimulus to help with this fantasy)
It's the same with really rough sex films. The viewer might choose to use this as part of a rape fantasy. He watches, he wanks, he fantasizes.

Edited by - sir wankalot on 7/20/2007 8:48:53 AM

sir wankalot
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 8:47AM
Women's fertility peaks in their early teens, and often deteriorates after 30
From wikipedia.
project getsome
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 9:19AM
You hit the nail on the head. This is what Im talking about.
And as far as the reference to starlets like Kat, Leah Luv, etc... thats the type of thing Im talking about. I mean I like them mainly because of their sexual performance. Because there are many other girls who look the same way, that I could not sit thru a scene of theirs if you paid me.
But at the same time, I dont know if its things going on in their personal life or their personal choice if they are tired of porn, but I've noticed they have fallen off. I am really starting to like their latest movies especially, but I notice them doing less and less and less. I just cant help but wonder, is it because they are starting to look older, and really look like women, and starting to get more curves and look mature?
Porn is not responsible for what goes on in the mind of sick predators. I know that. But maybe this trend or style should be careful how far they push the envelope.
sir wankalot
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 11:55AM
Looking back at the 70's, 80's and 90's i think most girls working were in their 20's and then some.
Seems to me there were less girls in the porn industry and certainly less 'teen' dedicated titles. And a lot more pussy hair!
You obviously haven't seen Max Hardcore. The envelope has already been pushed.
Edited by - sir wankalot on 7/20/2007 11:57:23 AM
 
MikeSouth
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 11:58AM

First would you guys knock it off with the porn addiction nonsense. Porn is NOT an addiction and never has been, this is a ploy by the religious right to paint porn in the same light as heroin, alcoholism and nicotine.
But more to the topic you speak only for yourself not for others. If you are worried that you may be a closet pedophile because you prefer porn with "underdeveloped 18 and 19 year olds" guess what...you may well be.
Some else may enjoy watching Max's brand of porn not for the whole "hey mister" schtick but because he gets off on watching a girl vomit while giving head....he wouldnt be a pedophile but I would argue he has issues....Other may just like to watch anal sex....
dandaman
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 12:04PM
Well said.
licker
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 1:18PM
You are correct.
It is illegal, but it is most certainly not paedophilia.
(Well, to be precise, it's illegal for them to have sex, not for him to think she is attractive, but you know what I mean.)
threesomebody
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 2:46PM
Thank you for saying that.
I am more bothered by just-developing 11 & 12 year olds walking around in midriff shirts and ultra-low sweatpants that say "Juicy" on the ass than I am by a 20 year old in pigtails and a plaid skirt in a porn movie.
Some of the popularity of young girls in porn is the need to always find new "fresh" girls. You're not going to see that many fresh faces in their upper-twenties, and not because of looks. The younger the woman, the less likely she is to have already established a work history or another way to make a living, and the more susceptible she is to the lure of porn, ease of quick money, and dream of fame. We can all name plenty of exceptions to this, but overall, I think that's part of the explanation.
Edited by - threesomebody on 7/20/2007 2:48:55 PM
Gentleman Jon All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 2:58PM
No, porn does not promote pedophilia, though I personally dislike the pigtails, lollipops, etc. when they are overdone. A little of that can be okay, but it is so easy to overdo. It's best to keep the tone very tongue in cheek when doing the teeny-themed scenes. Or better yet, let the girls act their age. But I have to admit, I've known of a lot of grown women, both college age and far older, who still like things like kittens, Tweety Bird, Muppets, teddy bears, Winnie the Pooh, etc., and their wardrobes and room decors reflect that. Are porn girls in pigtails holding lollipops so bad when you think of all the grown women of this world who'll wear a Tigger T-shirt and think they're holding on to their childhood?
I can see how someone who already is into underage people might like some of the teeny porn. But the legal teeny porn is not going to cause them to be that way. Really, I support the differentiation between the sexual attraction to prepubescents and attraction to adolescents past puberty but under the legal age of majority. But I know pedophilia is the word that most people use for all attraction to someone underage. I've seen a video clip of a petite stripper doing a standup comedy routine where she said when she started stripping, she thought her small breasts would be a problem for her, but she soon realized that they were no problem at all. She said she thinks many guys never got laid in high school, or at least not with the really hot girls, but they never gave up the fantasy of being with the hot high school girls. I can agree with that. But the vast, vast majority of guys who still fantasize about having the sexual experiences that they never got to have when they were in high school will never act on those fantasies, and not just on account of fear of the law. It's also because they will get turned-off if they talk to a high-school girls long enough to realize how immature she still is.
On forums like this, you will often see terms like 'shot-out' for porn girls who have already shot so many different scenes that there is little demand from porn companies to shoot them again, even if she has a few die-hard fans who get every movie she's in and can't seem to get enough of her. That may be coincidental to some girls looking more mature, but the looking more mature isn't necessarily the cause of her being shot-out.
Personally, I like younger looking girls. Notice I said younger looking. When I think a hot girl is in her early twenties, and then I found out that she's actually 29, or in her thirties, even, then she's even hotter to me. But as far as dressing the girls in scenes, to make an example of one person, I do prefer Justine Joli over Swan. I prefer the more glamorous way that Justine dresses and does her hair over the way that Swan dressed. The same goes for all girls being cast in the teeny movies. I would rather see the hot new girl in nice lingerie and stockings instead of the way the girls are usually dressed in the teeny-themed movies.
I've known of a grandma I'd like to fuck who had braces.
Actually, I do think porn can be addictive. The same way that shopping or gambling can be addictive. A person doesn't actually ingest any chemicals into their body, but doing those activities can alter their brain chemistry naturally, and a person can get addicted to the pleasure such that they will want to keep repeating the same activity to try to get that natural high again. But are there calls to ban shopping or gambling? Hell no. It seems like casinos are opening up in new places all the time, not to even mention stores. But anyway, I mean that someone who is spending more and more time and money on any of those habits, such that their relationships, financial situations, and careers are starting to be affected, do need to get help to restore some balance to their lives. But there certainly doesn't need to be a blanket ban on porn.
project getsome
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 4:00PM
There have been alot of good points made here.
I have seen parts of atleast one or two of Max Hardcore's flicks and even though he's had some of my favorite stars (Jade Marcella, Asia), Im just turned off by that girly girl shit with an old as dust man fucking them.
Its far too perverted for me.
I for one like a wide variety of stars, from the curvacious Isabel Ice, to the large breasted Trina Michaels, to the young flat-chest teeny Jasmine Lynn. With everything you need variety, but some of this is just plain disturbing. And its also become much more popular than other fetishes.
MikeSouth
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 4:04PM
G-Jon shopping, porn, gambling, video games and the like are NOT I repeat NOT addictions
they ARE compulsive behaviors.
NOT ADDICTIONS!
Gentleman Jon All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 6:14PM
Show me a dictionary that clearly states that 'addiction' refers only to substance abuse, while porn, gambling, etc. abuse is a 'compulsion.' My Merriam Webster's Collegiate Dictionary makes no such clear, cut and dry distinction. In fact, I'd say that in this day and age the word compulsion is more associated with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, which is probably quite different from what we're talking about.
I think it's more important to have different words for pedophilia and attraction to teenagers than to split hairs over the difference between addiction and compulsion.
MikeSouth
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 6:33PM

I will go ya one better how about a board certified expert in addiction and forensic psychiatry?
"Addiction is a medical term," said Dr. Stuart Gitlow, a board certified expert in addiction and forensic psychiatry. "And there is no research to indicate anyone suffers from porn addiction. There is nothing to suggest that this is a complex physiological disease state akin to alcoholism or other substance use disorders," he explained.
"The idea of 'porn addiction' has never been accepted by the psychiatric, psychological, marital counseling or sexological professions," added Dr. Marty Klein, a certified sex therapist and sociologist who has written six books and 100 articles. "There is no DSM-IV or ICD-9 (that is professional) diagnosis of "porn addiction." Just because people feel they are addicted doesn't mean they are."
still wanna argue it?
Gentleman Jon All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 6:40PM
I agree to disagree about semantics.
 
MikeSouth
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 6:45PM
Words have meaning and when you allow people like the American family Association and others to demonize this industry by pretending that their labels are in fact scientific and medical then you become nothing more than an apologist.
Truth and fact is what will discredit these people not allowing ourselves to be arbitrarily labeled by them.
Think about it.
MikeSouth
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 6:46PM
but hey what the hell YOU obviously know more than a board certified expert in addiction and forensic psychiatry
AND
a certified sex therapist and sociologist.
BigMatt
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Posted - Jul 20 2007 : 7:33PM
I have no idea. But I think there are misconceptions out there, both from porn producers and from people who comment on porn. I don't think everyone is into the pigtail-braacer-teeny type of thing. I know that because I'm not. Nor have I been earlier either. I love to watch healthy women who enjoy what they are doing. If she's 18 or 45 doesn't matter as long as she's healthy and good looking. I think the porn industry is pushing these things because they _think_ most people want it. I'm pretty sure that's not true. There is room in the marketplace for more. Porn has been around for decades, and the barely legal thing has exploded in the recent years. Hopefully its a fad.
amneth
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Posted - Jul 21 2007 : 12:43AM
Alot of people seem to forget that 12 and up was practically marrying age in many old societies. You were working and interacting at 12, and could possibly get married. Life was very different.
The reality is that young girls don't stop being pretty. Just because a girl is 13 to 15 doesn't mean she is unattractive to older men.
As an adult person, you just have to understand that young females and males are offlimits because they are often undeveloped and emotionally immature. It's important that adults don't take advantage of a young persons immaturity and ruin their life.
The entire idea that young girls that you see everyday, high school or even junior high, is pretty ludicrous. I know I've seen more than my share of below seventeen girls who are beautiful and sexually attractive. But you also know offlimits not only for legal reasons, but for reasons of proper social behavior and not wanting to cause damage to such a young person. No one wants their children being preyed on sexually, that's sick.
Now as for preteeners, people who go after that are twisted. I don't think 99% of porn caters to preteen pedophiles or molesters. I don't think porn encourages pedophilia. People already have such urges in them. And when they act on them, that is all on them. They can't blame porn or any other aspect of society. It's on them for doing what they know is wrong.
Mister Satan
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Posted - Jul 21 2007 : 1:40AM
no opinions on my post?
boo hoo
nibelungo
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Posted - Jul 21 2007 : 6:19AM
I disagree totally!
Take this example: I watched all the instalments of Teenage Spermaholics series...great movies and fun titles...that's all! Honestly I don't feel like a monster.
Really I think people that conceive titles for porn movies are often genius. They are able to create titles clever, ironic, pleasant, fun...but also desecrating, provocative...winning titles are a part of the game.
I'd like to say also this:
Showing young girls with braces, pigtails... who get fucked like experienced sluts could be also a way for some directors, I think, to "denounce" general hypocrisy of modern society, where the substance is usually different from the appearance and the surface.
Anyway miniskirts, pigtails, braces...are only a performance, a teasing and fun performance, and they haven't to be criminalized.

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Fergus
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Posted - Jul 21 2007 : 1:00PM
Porn 'endorses' consenting adults acting and looking like they're under-age. Genuine pedophiles and molesters don't get off on it simply because they know, and can usually see, that the women are sexually mature. So the girl shaves enough to look 'bald' - you don't think a genuine pedophile can tell the difference? Pedophiles don't like adult sexuality, even if dressed up in childlike costume and behaviour.
What porn endorses is fantasising about sex with pre-consent age partners, just like it endorses fantasising about gangbangs and anal drillings. None of that fantasising is illegal. To the extent porn might encourage behaviour, I see no reason to believe that consumers would suddenly forget that sex with children is illegal. You might ask your lover to let you try it up the back passage 'like they do in porn' but you know it's only her rejection at stake there. Would you suddenly forget that ten years in the slammer is at stake if you try to live out a fantasy of sex with a minor?
BTW, neurophysiologically anything can be an addiction. The same part of the brain has the same pattern of firing whether it's alcohol, nicotine, heroin, porn, gambling or picking your nose. Psychiatrists, neurologists, legislators and lobbyists will argue this forever, but the distinction is in the pattern's resilience (how quickly it can be provoked, how quickly it can be established, how slowly it degrades and how little stimulus it takes to provoke it after no stimulus for some time), and generally speaking the pattern becomes most resilient when the stimulus is an introduced chemical, but the pattern can be provoked and established in response to whatever floats the subject's boat, including behaviour, if the subjective experience is sufficiently satisfying.
Rasfor
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Posted - Jul 22 2007 : 8:21AM
Yes, for fuck's sake. Pedophilia is when you're attracted to pre-pubescent individuals, it has nothing to do with chronological age.
It's also utterly silly to claim that men in general are not attracted to a big-titted 14 year old. They just happen to have enough sense to *not* act upon it, but they still want to fuck them.
Mister Satan
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Posted - Jul 22 2007 : 8:26PM
Who says pedophiles/ephebophiles don't also like grown up adult sexuality or MILFs?
Edited by - hardware on 7/22/2007 10:53:08 PM
Porn Scout
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Posted - Jul 22 2007 : 11:33PM
The young girl fantasy in porn is not the same as pedofilia. It just isn't.
Little girl beauty pageants, aside from being completely bizarre, are obvious magnets for pedophiles, but you don't see anyone complaining about those, at least not recently. If you don't know what I'm talking about, check out Little Miss Sunshine on DVD. These things are just so strange.
RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 22 2007 : 11:46PM
I dunno. You could ask a psychologist. The people they're generally concerned about are people who are exclusively attracted to very young children.
Sometimes, children are sexually assaulted by sexual opportunists who aren't really pedophiles. This is not the same thing as real pedophilia in which the person sits around and obsesses about children all the time.
So if you're thinking about the fact that it sometimes happens that kids are victimized by people with seemingly normal sexual tastes as evidence for your statement, it's a little silly. Some people will rape anything they define as helpless or vulnerable. That doesn't necessarily make them a pedophile.
Lately, the general public has thrown it's odd ideas and misconceptions into the mix with this and things have gotten confused. Real pedophiles are generally attracted exclusively (or primarily) to children. People really need to leave a diagnosis up to a qualified professional who knows what he or she is talking about.
Fergus
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Posted - Jul 23 2007 : 4:42AM
MikeSouth
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Posted - Jul 23 2007 : 5:06AM
Izzat so?
http://www.mikesouth.com/rants/wherewastheporn.htm
I been sayin it a long time...and neal Boortz took that bit from my site and read it on the air to a national audience.
caroline-NL
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Posted - Aug 1 2007 : 9:09AM
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Even when I was 18 I was not attracted to 12-13 year olds, which is what those girls in the pigtails, with braces and doing porn are portraying.
And please understand Im not blaming the girls themselves. Im blaming the industry.
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I think this is a gross misunderstanding. I watched many of these so called "barely legal" teen porn movies, and I never saw a girl that looked younger as 16 - of course they all were
18. Teen sex has NOTHING in common with pedophilia. And I researched this complex problem at the university for 7 years.
Until a few years ago, the legal age for hardcore was 16 in the Netherlands, not 18. This has nothing to do with "childporn", even if the idiotic US government blamed us for that, so now they have changed the law to US standards.
Of course you have to set a limit, but this has to be 15
or 16. Teenagers today are sexually more than 2 years ahead
as 20 years ago. So its unlogicial to raise the age instead of lowering it.
I think that 99% of the customers watching "barely legal"
or even the real teen porn movies from NL/DK, are normal.
Pedophiles arent interested in teenagers, but in kids under 12.
There ARE dangerous elements in porn TODAY.
The mysognistic, women hating stuff.
The degrading and primitive talk.
I think this is really dangerous in the long run.
But thats a common problem, not only one of the "barely legal" videos.
But believe me, pedophile LAUGH at this videos, girls reaching the age of 12 are "old" for them. In my opinion,
these people are mentally ill and should be treated, but this has nothing to do with Teen Porn movies.
Dither
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Posted - Feb 21 2008 : 1:59PM
The sexual minimum age should rather be under than over fifteen, teen sex is normal it's not pedophilia, and there's little point in having laws half the normal population violate. But starting pornographic careers at 15 is gonna leave a huge number of train wrecks. 15yo's are way too immature and vulnerable to handle such a rough business.
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