I get the "don't hate" I guess I just work too hard for my money to give it away for nothing. If a guy wants to give this girl a $445 HDTV that's on him. If the girl says she'll "spoil" him fine. If it's an autographed photo, a DVD or a pair of panties, and he's satisfied great. But to not even say "thank you" is ignorant. Again, nice chatting with you.
is this sincere or sarcasm ? i'll stop replying if you're getting annoyed. i'm just trying my best not to be the old dude that's complaining about what new folks are doing. In my day, things were alot rougher but it was covered over and people pretended like they were innocent and wholesome....and sane when they weren't.
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 22 2015 : 7:02PM
Absolutely no sarcasm at all. It's nice to actually have a conversation on here and get other people's ideas. No BS!!!
she's the one getting spoiled with gifts he's spoiling her. Ok that's good to know. i was told that i could be overwhelming at times Edited by - sgtsausage on 11/22/2015 7:09:37 PM
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 22 2015 : 7:31PM
I guess it comes down to "no guts, no glory". The girl and/or her BF sit and around as say, "let's make a wish list and see how many saps we can dupe into buying us stuff in exchange for some used $2.99 panties from Walmart." If you've ever seen the way some guys act around the girls at the trade shows, you almost can't blame the girls for outrageous requests. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Read some of the threads on this site and you can pick out the fish right away.
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 22 2015 : 7:34PM
Yeah I know what you're saying. I can get pretty opinionated at times myself. I guess the truth is, I just feel that if you say you're going to do something you should do it. Most all of the girls have some kind of hustle but a lot of it is out of the same playbook, with variations. This is no BS. A friend of mine in another state started following this babe on Twitter, She had been sort of a "soft porn" girl almost 10 years ago, but got out. So she's trying a new deal and has the AWL thing going. She wishes for a pair of $250 riding boots and my friend is loaded one night and sends them to her, Problem is he used his business credit card and his wife does the books, sees the charge and calls Amazon inquiring.....Oooooops! One thing I would like to do, is someday go to one of these Expo's and actually see what it's all about. There was one in NJ last week but I was in TX. Anyway, I gotta get up early, so I'll say good night. Pleasure chatting with you.
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 23 2015 : 7:07AM
Rosco Fuji wrote: The girl and/or her BF sit and around as say, "let's make a wish list and see how many saps we can dupe into buying us stuff in exchange for some used $2.99 panties from Walmart." Just signed on and read your comments and I'm laughing my butt off!!! You're right on the money. Like I had said before, if some guy wants to buy some babe a $445 HDTV and get "spoiled" the least the girl could do is actually do something, even a autographed photo, a DVD or like you said some cum stained cheapo panties would probably be like a gold watch. But if the girl doesn't provide an email address to send the shipping confirmation to with your info than how's she gonna "spoil" you? I've always wanted to go to one of these shows just to check it out. There was one in NJ last week but I was in TX. The girl I'm thinking of was really a shooting star and then she went dark, robo-tweets, no recent vids, dropped by her agency and now she's hustling on periscope, semi-camming and whatever. Used to be sexy underwear, riding clothes or sex toys. Now it's kitchen furniture and TV's. Damn I miss the good old days!!
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Posted - Nov 25 2015 : 5:43PM
It's all about the division and also the given material. If it's high class it's just high class, man. No one and no time can og out and devaluate high class. Then they're communists. Or jihadists or whateverthefuck.
Not necessary....when girls are horny...they enjoy indulging in all kind of sexual behavior..from being spanked and bandaged to treated like meat holes for fucking or cum buckets.
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 30 2015 : 8:41AM
Would someone please explain to me what a "spinner" is???
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Dec 1 2015 : 3:59AM
^ A small woman.
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Thanks
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What exactly does 'woman' mean in this context? Woman as a mating partner? Yes. Doing porn lessens their value as a mating partner since the human male generally desires breeding exclusivity. Woman as a sexual partner? No. Probably increases their value since they likely know how to please a man sexually and are uninhibited and willing to do things non-porn women aren't willing to do. As a human being? No. Doing porn has nothing to do with treating someone in a respectful manner. Disrespecting other people says more about the person doing it than the person being disrespected. In the eyes of society? Probably yes. American society is pretty uptight. Very few people consider a female doing porn very acceptable. A lot of female porn stars have found this out the hard way I have no doubt. You have to have a thick skin, strong ego, or just not give a fuck to do porn as a female. Bottom line is porn is hard on the mind and body. It's hard on family relationships. Hard on romantic relationships. It's a hard business to work in that generally leads to social and mental problems. Fortunately the only person that really needs to believe is the female doing porn. If she believes in herself and values herself, then she'll likely be ok.
I agree with a lot of what Sgt.Sausage says, even tho most people are misconstruing what hes saying, I think. Porn is bad obviously. Its around because of how sexually deprived people were before, and now thanks to sexual oppression and feminism as a response to that, women want to be whores because its empowering. Thank you men and feminists for porn. You did it. And yes, I'm bad for liking porn, but I still like it. But everyone holds different things at different values. I think women who jump into porn to make some quick money and you can tell they didn't put any thought into it, theyre just dumb whores who have no talents, those types are devalued to me. Women who make the decision to go into porn and really give it their all and make a strong career out of it, and some even going beyond being filmed themselves, into directing and different stuff like that, those women have higher value to me. Basically, its about what I think the reasons and ambitions of the performers are. I would never push any one into porn because of the stigma with it, too many doors close with that career, but big ones open up too. But, Porn devalues Society.
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Rosco Fuji Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 11:39AM
The shows are amusing to go to and everyone should go at least once in their life. The drooling fanbois are just as entertaining. I worked one show and during my off time I was wandering around getting samples, dvds, pix, etc etc. For whatever reason I kept encountering this one guy who literally had 5 calendars and a half dozen cameras. He was having the girls autograph their birthday on each of the calendars and he also took pix with each of the cameras. Guys like this are just ripe for the picking when it comes to the wish lists.
Edited by - rosco fuji on 12/2/2015 1:17:34 PM
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 3:51PM
The next time there's one up here in this area, I'll have to check it out. Lenny Bruce once said that the perfect woman should have "the demeanor of a kindergarten teacher and the body of a go-go dancer." I can't remember the last "celebrity" I wanted to meet, except maybe Frank Sinatra. I always thought he was about the coolest guy on the planet. My feeling has always been a performer gets paid to perform, I pay to watch them. It's only when a person gets too interested in learning all about a performer that the problems begin. They can actually start to think they know this person and some people can start to fantasize about more than just meeting them. I've seen that on Twitter and the "star" has the "block" button. If Barbie is having a bad day or a "fan" Tweets the wrong thing..Shazaam!! I'm not judging anyone, but a lot of guys that think they'd like to marry a porn star are IMO delusional. I've noticed that most all of these girls operate from a standard playbook. There was a really great docudrama filmed in Miami about Veronica Rodriquez it was really good and pretty sad in some parts.
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jzalski Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 2 2015 : 4:07PM
Regick wrote: "I think women who jump into porn to make some quick money and you can tell they didn't put any thought into it, theyre just dumb whores who have no talents, those types are devalued to me." I think what's really sad is when a young woman who is talented and intelligent is introduced to porn and becomes beguiled by it and then starts to think it's exciting, glamorous and she can make big money. There are plenty of "porn pimps" out there that will nurture this attitude and when the girl turns 18 they're right there to welcome them. I watched several interviews of one girl and the "interviewer" literally let her sit back and convince herself that she was a super star. Of course she would up with a load of cum on her face and a pat on the back. Now after a couple of years she has stopped shooting scenes and spends her days on Twitter, periscope, etc. hustling her AWL and whatever. Maybe she's dancing or escorting as well, but her agency dropped her and you never see her name anymore on the industry blogs. I always believed that the porn biz is a biz where you're either "all in" or nothing. If you start saying what you will and will not do, there is always another girl ready to jump in and do it. Probably younger and cuter as well. Some high roller who may have paid $1500 two years ago to fuck the "Hottest Teen In Porn" might not even pay $200 for a "has been." To me that's really sad.
so what???! some men only see women as 'holes' and want to jack off to porn that portrays that, just like some women just see men as dicks etc. porn first and foremost is about playing to people's FANTASIES. we all have things we love to SEE and watch but would never actually do in real life for whatever reason. i love to watch women getting gangbang fucked by men they have 'never met' raw & bareback and letting them cum inside of them ... but would i do that in real life? fuck no! it's all fantasy and porn is great because THERE ARE SO MANY NICHES. i'm tired of all the sensitive types talking as if these women are being forced to act in these scenes ("oh poor little porn star, she's being objectified and taken advantage of") guess what, some women LOVE that shit so who are you or anyone to look down on those types of scene. if they didn't sell, they wouldn't make them. and they wouldn't make them if guys didn't want to see it. porn is all about feeding every little niche there is, so if you one of those sensitive types, go watch feature porn and leave the hardcore gonzo to the big boys
MOD: To begin with, feature porn versus gonzo has nothing to do with the "hardness" of the scenes. They are the style and format of the movie. So the commenting on how someone should "go watch feature porn and leave the hardcore gonzo to the big boys" is a completely meaningless insult. Second off, you might want to check out the forum etiquette. Insulting members doesn't actually contribute to a conversation. And as a hint, when you add "those" before a descriptor, you are generally insulting someone. All it does it creates an adversarial stance in the thread, which generally never goes well. Given some of the posts some people have made over a certain alleged incident recently, one can even see how female adult movie stars are devalued by some viewers. If you would like to contribute to the conversation, please review the forum etiquette and post in accordance with what it lays out.
I have to say I sometimes feel a little guilty watching a really beautiful woman (no tattoos or loads of make-up) having sex on camera. So I can jack my cock off too. LOL. I sometimes feel with beauty there should come a 'better' job. Having sex on camera can be a little demeaning.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Dec 3 2015 : 11:34PM
So true, apparently the films of Zeb Colt, Shaun Costello and Alex De Renzy are not hard, eh?
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IkeMan Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 6 2015 : 3:27PM
Women (and men) in porn are prostitutes. That's not meant offensively - just as a proper description of what they do for a living - getting paid to get fucked. Edited by - IkeMan on 12/8/2015 2:02:12 PM
If you don't like women like this, then you have no business watching porn and enjoying it too. For guys who like sex, it's the slut who is most valuable for them. Her being a slut increases her value, rather than devalues her. But if you are some holier-than-thou judgemental guy, then of course, it works the other way around for you. The value of any woman for a guy depends on the guy, and not just on the woman. Because it all depends on what the guy wants, and whether he is a hypocrite or not. Edited by - Dan on 12/7/2015 6:28:14 AM Edited by - flash on 12/7/2015 8:15:22 AM
you can like watching women who are like that do what they do but not like for them to be your wife. you might not value her enough to take her on as a wife or mother of your children. you may just value her sexual skills. you can respect her craft.
I would call this kind of an attitude from a guy 'hypocrisy' in the biblical sense of this word. Because you participate and support what the porn-lady does by watching and enjoying her performance with guys. This puts you on an equal footing with her, in terms of your morality and worth. You aren't fit to marry a so-called decent woman and have children with her. Because you are just like that porn-woman in terms of your moral sense. That's what any self-respecting born-again Christian would say to you. And to some extent I agree with this point. Because participating in what the porn-lady does makes you no better than she is.
has nothing to do with morals or what people consider what's right or wrong in Gods eyes. it's about mind and body connection with someone. I can have a wife who i'll watch porn with and at the same time, not want her to be a porn star.
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Posted - Dec 7 2015 : 1:51PM
Does watching porn while at the same time disparaging the performers constitute hypocrisy ? Hyprocrisy ; a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs or principles, etc., that one does not really possess. 2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude. On the information we have we have no reason to think that sausage pursues any pretence to a higher morality sustained by an active denial of his porn habits. His disparagement - based on the idea expressed on page 1 is that would you want a hamburger that has been passed through 50 peoples hands , although not a perfect analogy because hamburger is a perishable good whereas a porn girl is (usually) rendered clean and fit for service after a good wash. However few people would argue that long term exposure to porn performing must take some kind of toll that leaves the personel in some way altered/damaged and on that basis its reasonable to reject them as life partners if you see fit (or accept them if you see fit) - and that is a rejection not based on a moral judgement , more a pragmatic basis. Thus on this occasion i would have to clear sausage of the charge of hypocrisy.
^ I think it's hypocritical to claim that you are better than the porn-star in terms of your social status and eligibility for marriage. Because when you watch a lot of porn, then this debauches your mind again and again every day. Which is likely many times more per month, than any porn lady does scenes in a month. It's hard to say who gets debauched more, you or the lady. Because the lady might do a scene or two per month. While you might be watching a porn scene or two every day from many different ladies. In such circumstances, you would be debauched even more than the lady. The debauchery is in the mind, and that's not something you can wash off. It doesn't work this way.
no one claimed to be better in any way. no one claimed to watch porn often. There is a difference between witnessing a murder and commiting one. Hands on is always body and mind. Hands on always effects both, body and mind. But i'll be considered a hypocrite by you if you insist. I don't mind that label.
^ Claiming to 'witness' porn, while you are masturbating to it, is another sign of hypocrisy. It's not like the porn scene just happened to be there by chance, and you inadvertently witnessed it. The way it works is that you search for your favorite kind of porn and then watch it for your enjoyment. Which has nothing to do with 'witnessing'.
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Posted - Dec 7 2015 : 3:45PM
^^^Your debauchery of the mind concept is a good and valid one. So the question is it hypocritical of someone who is debauched of mind to discriminate against someone else on the basis that they are debauched of person. Maybe. However my feeling is that in hypocrisy there is a requirement for some kind of claim to moral superiority which i dont think sausage has claimed. The prejudice here is pragmatic rather than moral , there is no claim to superiority. Would it be hypocritical of someone not to want to have sex with someone with a disease when they have the same disease themselves ? If there is no pretence at being superior then i dont see it is hypocritical. If the person pretends to be totally healthy and disparages the other person for being unhealthy then that would be hypocritical. Edited by - ben mockridge on 12/7/2015 3:46:04 PM Edited by - ben mockridge on 12/7/2015 3:46:35 PM
and porn is not murder my dick, my eyes, my choices. If i'm a hypocrite for watching porn and at the same time not wanting to marry a porn star, so be it. Now what ? Edited by - sgtsausage on 12/7/2015 3:51:59 PM
^ If you accept that in terms of debauching the mind, there is no difference between the porn-lady and the porn-fan who watches her, then the only concern is physical health and not debauchery or morality. And most porn-ladies are in good physical health. They don't have any sexually transmitted diseases, and they are fine in everything else too. It's true that porn-ladies take more risks with their health than most people in the general population. But this doesn't automatically lead to bad health. Because a risk is just a chance of something bad happening. And in most cases it doesn't happen.
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Ben Mockridge Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 7 2015 : 4:11PM
The motivations for the prejudice and how valid they are are not really relevant to our determination of hypocrisy though. As i said above if a person with disease X does not want to have sex with someone else with disease X it is not hypocrisy - unless they make a pretence at being healthy themselves and thereby superior. Afaik sausage has not made any claims to not being debauched nor superior to pornstars in respect of debauchery quotient.
Just been catching up with this thread and was about to express my wholehearted approval of this post...then I read the mod's response. Though, to be honest, I don't quite get what Flash finds so objectionable about it; I've read far worse stuff in other threads that's gone unchallenged. Where I would disagree with DuanCulo is where he says people like to watch stuff they'd never do in real life. Well, if I had the opportunity to participate in a gangbang I most certainly would. I definitely believe our tastes in porn are a reflection of who we really are and there's no doubt in my mind that the reason I like rough porn (not exclusively, I should add) is because I harbour a very real desire to enact it. When I'm jacking off to this stuff I'll admit I think of the women pretty disparagingly because that adds to my arousal. In actuality, I'm extremely grateful to them for making the existence of this material possible so in that regard, yeah, they're on something of a pedestal for me.
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IkeMan Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 8 2015 : 2:03PM
Absolutely true!
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Posted - Dec 8 2015 : 2:05PM
Dude, I love you. You are right on point with each and every one of your comments!
so you think that if i didn't marry a hooker at a young age and if i wasn't bitter because of it, i wouldn't mind marrying a sex worker in the porn industry ? is this what you are implying lol ? I also would not marry a female police officer or a woman in the military, or a woman who employs men and is in charge of a large company with a managers mentality. all because i believe in providing for and protecting my woman. i don't think it's good for a woman to be a lumber jack. i don't want my wife coming home to me after a long day of cutting down trees. Women are made delicate for a good reason. This world hardens them in the worst way and it's very unattractive to me.Thanks for the love and understanding. Edited by - sgtsausage on 12/10/2015 6:46:46 AM
I think girls doing porn are great and they enjoy doing it as much as everyone enjoys watching it so its mutual thing. Doing porn shouldn't become a stigma or taboo for girls or else we can see an anti porn revolt. More promotion and encouragement is needed to make girls comfortable in this industry.
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