For obvious reasons, I can't undertake the testing of one of these products. Well, I suppose I could, but if their sales pitch is to be believed, it sounds entirely possible that I'd be in danger of growing a dick! Rather than risk such an outcome, I decided just to forge ahead with the facts. I would rather this article had been written by a male lab rat, however, it seems too sensitive an issue to looked at objectively for many, and I've noticed that men are either: 1) burned by their experience 2) into the program totally, and delusional or 3) hopefuls After some casual research, the problem became painfully clear, and it was deja vue, all over again.
Even more than the myth of female ejaculation, there is a fervent need to believe that there is an answer to all your problems in the form of a pill, or some 'exercizes'. I'll admit, the ads are very convincing, with "documented cases" and "guarantees" that it will work or your money back. Again, it was almost impossible to find credible studies done on any of them, although they all claim they have done the research, and their's is the only program to work. They make it sound so easy, you'd be a schmuk NOT to try it! That is, an even bigger schmuk, because according to them, you obviously aren't aware of what your girlfriend is saying behind your back, or that she's been faking her orgasms all this time.
The gay world is full of size queens and their wannabe objects of desire, I suspect, to an even greater extent that the straight world.
Hey, guys, if it works, it is fine - don't break it with some stupid mechanical device or abuse your body with fake, pseudo-science herbal remedies.
And if it reaches from your crotch to the beginning of your stream of piss, IT IS BIG ENOUGH. Now if there is a gap, you just may have a serious problem . . .
As a gay man, I'd much rather have a partner with an average penis who is attentive to my needs and knows how to use what he has. I've encountered some big ones in my life and almost invariably they have been attached to self-absorbed oafs who were so into themselves there was little for me to do but "admire" what they saw as a wonderful accomplishment. What's more, the bigger they are, the more they seem obsessed with their size and the greater their insecurities about not being big enough.
Besides, at some point, the only thing you can do with something that size is throw it over your shoulder & burp it.
Some nice work there! Makers of fat burning pills and hair / breast growth creams should be quaking in their boots! It’s so obvious that it’s pretty impossible medically (on a par with lengthening toes or expanding ears) if anything actually worked it would get more than a little publicity (ie. Viagra).
Is the ominous banana picture a reference to possible side effects?
Thank you everyone for your kind words! I can't tell you how relieved I am not to be scorned and flamed over this sensitive subject. As for the ominous banana, I can't take credit for that, though it is hilarious
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I still want to shrink my penis. When you have a prop from Anaconda between your legs, finding suitable trousers is a biatch.
That was a very nice article dumblonde, if for no other reason than your sticking up for that poor guy who gave this miracle stuff a try.
Unfortunately, it doesn't really seem like an accident that ads for snake oil like this and porn go hand-in-hand. A lot of porn plots also play on men's insecurities. The beautiful women are nearly always making love to the wealthy man, on the nth floor of the mansion on his multi-acre estate. Or the man who treats his lover with respect and reverence loses her to the man-beast who appeals to her darker, hidden desires, etc, etc, blah blah blah. While I also don't like to see people get ripped off, I think we should also take some responsibility by admitting that by viewing the very product we discuss here, we only reinforce these very same insecurities.
But to get back to the main topic, let me play devil's advocate here for a minute. DOES penis size really not matter? You argue that it takes nothing longer than the average man's thumb to stimulate the female clitoris, due to where it is located, therefore the answer must be "no". But what about girls who enjoy (giving) oral sex, or (taking) anal sex? Here I'd think size WOULD matter. Licking up and down the average male shlong of 5.5 inches just might not be as entertaining as doing the same on one a bit longer than that. It seems to work that way for boobs, hence implants. But hell...what do I know? I'm a guy! I'm amazed chicks do it at all!!
Don't get me wrong dumblonde. I appreciate what you wrote, and the spirit in which you wrote it, but help us out further, now, and address this follow-up. I'm curious on your thoughts.
According to , ummm.., Salon.com again (they seem to be even more enthusiastic about dick talk than us) they agree that it’s not a big deal for most women.
"I can't think of a single woman who has come to me and said, 'I love how long my husband's penis is,'" says Susan Hubbard, a sex therapist in Boulder, Colo. "I would say it's pretty unimportant. There is an occasional woman to whom it makes a difference, but it's better to be in the range of normal. People are basically made to fit together. Many times, if a person is outside the normal range of size, it creates mechanical problems. It's hard to fit something too big in a space too small. It makes a woman dread having sex with a man."
That reference to ‘dread’ seems to be something of a turn on for some viewers around here but that’s another topic…
Re: size, what do I know? Personally I’d probably prefer other guys dicks to be closer to the ‘need a microscope to detect’ end of the scale but from a womens perspective I’ll guess that they’re just part of a package deal. We guys might have certain preferences about ‘tightness’, or toenails even but a little variation from the ideal one way or the other is sure not that big of a deal. It’s not like you go through a checklist of things a perfect partner should have and ditch them the day they fail one of the tests. Trying to imagine a test scenario where women have to choose one naked guy out of a lineup of half a dozen to have sex with so we can see if they go for Mr Anaconda is a bit difficult for me to see actually working, but maybe I should get out more…
What I do know is a few guys who sometimes base their opinions on what all women want by what the supermodel / actress types seem to go for. Resulting in the new phrase ‘bigorexia’ and a few other problems. What we can sometimes overlook is that the model types and their dream dates aren’t always quite as happy as they might seem. The pressure to ‘perfect’ in all areas (wherever we think perfect is) can be a real, real downer (eg. the endless celebrity breakups) while for many people there are few turn ons greater than real acceptance, understanding and last but not least someone who isn’t judgemental about you.
Thanks for that well reasoned response Meridian, and for the link (I'm going to have to start reading Salon more often!)
quote yungturk: "That was a very nice article dumblonde, if for no other reason than your sticking up for that poor guy who gave this miracle stuff a try."
Thanks, yungturk, I appreciate it. That was partly tongue-in-cheek, but unfortunately, there are untold thousands of guys giving this stuff a try daily, monthly, yearly, WITHOUT ONE legitimately documented ( by a credible medical establishment ) success. It's a HUGE (pardon the pun) business, a scam, but it's legal.
quote: "While I also don't like to see people get ripped off, I think we should also take some responsibility by admitting that by viewing the very product we discuss here, we only reinforce these very same insecurities."
I hear you there, and I've wondered why porn stars are required to have those monstrous-sized dicks in the first place. It would seem to me, that it would just make the average home viewer feel even smaller. Maybe while he's viewing it, and projecting himself into that porn stud, he feels like King Kong. I don't know, but it wouldn't bother me a bit to see some more average guys in porn. I'm tired of seeing the same ones over and over anyway. But what I think carries little weight, I'm afraid. In fact, I'm not at all sure that what you guys think matters, either.
quote: " But what about girls who enjoy (giving) oral sex, or (taking) anal sex? Here I'd think size WOULD matter."
Perhaps you HAVE been watching too much porn, yungturk. I assure you, a bigger dick would be even LESS desirable or needed for these two examples.
quote: " Licking up and down the average male shlong of 5.5 inches just might not be as entertaining as doing the same on one a bit longer than that."
Entertaining? To borrow a line from Sex In The City, "They don't call it a blow JOB for nothing!" But seriously, a smaller penis is MUCH easier and more fun for oral sex, in fact the bigger it is, the more job-like it becomes. We don't have erogenous zones in our mouths, it can be very uncomfortable if it's too large to maneuver easily on.
Of course there are some females who DO prefer a larger wang, but I've said many times that I don't, and I'll tell you why in detail, so you won't think I'm just saying that. First of all, I find it uncomfortable. Hence, not enjoyable. And as GaySatyr pointed out, it's how you use what you have that counts. It's been my experience that a guy with a big dick is lousy lay, frankly, although I'd hate to think this was true in every case.(and sorry for all the medical terminology )
now ill get into some detail. what drives me crazy is not getting my cervix hammered in (not that i can feel it anyway), but the play involving the head of the penis and right at the entrance, being teased. i included a visual in order to be clearly understood, lol. yeehaw!!! )
now ill get into some detail. what drives me crazy is not getting my cervix hammered in (not that i can feel it anyway), but the play involving the head of the penis and right at the entrance, being teased. i included a visual in order to be clearly understood, lol. yeehaw!!! )
now ill get into some detail. what drives me crazy is not getting my cervix hammered in (not that i can feel it anyway), but the play involving the head of the penis and right at the entrance, being teased. i included a visual in order to be clearly understood, lol. yeehaw!!! )
now i'll get into some detail. what drives me crazy is not getting my cervix hammered in (not that i can feel it anyway), but the play involving the head of the penis and right at the entrance, being teased. i included a visual in order to be clearly understood, lol. yeehaw!!!
I sent an email concerning this topic, but did not get a reply. So, I thought I should post my response to your article.
Over the last two years, I have gained 2.5 inches in length and 1.5 inches in girth from hanging weights and other 'exercises'. Penis enlargement does work for a lot of guys, if they do it correctly. There are some for which PE does not work.
I understand your problems with finding research on the matter. The reason is, there is no money in it for doctors. How can it be funded if the medical community and drug companies cannot make anything from it? Further, how much concrete research can you find on bodybuilding of specific body parts? On the message boards listed below, there are a couple of recent posts with links to research studies done in Europe.
The following two free message boards have all the PE information needed for free, as well as hundreds of guys who have made significant gains from the programs. My gains were made in probably less time than the average female spends on hair, nails, makeup, and other bodily beautifications.
There is nothing wrong with a guy wanting and getting a larger penis. No more so than women getting larger breasts, liposuction, fat injected into their lips, permanents, plastic surgery, etc etc etc. It is simply another body part.
I can tell you that PE does make sex much more enjoyable for my wife and myself. Whereas we used to have sex once a month or so, now we find time three or four times per week. After 25 years of marriage, it is incredible. Of course, there are men who should not practice PE because of becoming too large or because their partner can not handle anything larger.
The message boards are:
http://www.thundersplace.com/forum/index.php?s=
http://www.peforum.net/forum
Men will always continue to try and improve their penis'. Instead of knocking them, investigate just a little further, and see what is possible. You will see that guys can be successful enlarging their penises without spending any money doing it. Also look at the difference it has made in their lives.
You will also find on the sites the debunking of the pill scam, as well as reviews of many of the products and websites.
The sites also have several doctors as registered members. They do not 'practice' on the boards, and the guys do not ask them questions. They do offer information from time to time. They are there for the same reason all the guys are there.
Maybe I'm different from most guys, but I've always been happy with the size of my penis. And I'm by no means huge -- I'd say "average" size. I'm happy I have one and know how to use it. I've seen some pictures of people who've gotten "implants" in their groinal region -- and it ain't pretty.
I'm all for natural, baby. Be happy with what you have! Woo!
Hmmm. Do these other ‘exercises’ involve pulling the other one? I’ve just checked the calender and April is months away, but I’m still wary of treating this seriously.
If this is serious I’m sure we’d all be interested to hear exactly what these weights and / or exercises are that have added 1.5 inches to your girth. Usually the word ‘vacuum’ makes an appearance in these kind of discussions as it is suitable vague to mean almost anything and enough beyond most peoples experience so they don’t automatically laugh. However there is also mention ‘without spending any money’ so even the vacuum option is now unavailable. Sounds like a problem.
The final nail of the many in the coffin of this argument are the laughable ‘too large’ warnings reminiscent of all those million and one ‘do not enter this site if the prospect of britney spears and buffy sixty nineing each other in hot, full color, close up lesbian ecstacy may offend!!!’ spam messages I get sent to my hotmail account. It sounds like you’ve written this kind of thing before Mr Drsplain!
"Hmmm. Do these other ‘exercises’ involve pulling the other one?"
I don't know what you mean.
"I’ve just checked the calender and April is months away, but I’m still wary of treating this seriously."
You do not have to "treat it" at all. The information is all there. You can look, read, whatever. If you believe and want to try, fine. If not, fine.
"If this is serious I’m sure we’d all be interested to hear exactly what these weights and / or exercises are that have added 1.5 inches to your girth."
Actually, everything I did is on that site. The instructions for making a hanger, the manual techniques, etc. If you wish to know, read.
"Usually the word ‘vacuum’ makes an appearance in these kind of discussions as it is suitable vague to mean almost anything and enough beyond most peoples experience so they don’t automatically laugh. However there is also mention ‘without spending any money’ so even the vacuum option is now unavailable. Sounds like a problem."
If you mean pumps, very few guys on those sites practice that.
"The final nail of the many in the coffin of this argument are the laughable ‘too large’ warnings reminiscent of all those million and one ‘do not enter this site if the prospect of britney spears and buffy sixty nineing each other in hot, full color, close up lesbian ecstacy may offend!!!’ spam messages I get sent to my hotmail account. It sounds like you’ve written this kind of thing before Mr Drsplain!"
I have slowed down at the request of my wife. Others report having to stop at a partners request. If you wish to learn, you may do so. If you do not, then don't. I could care less.
I realized your article was "partly tongue-in-cheek", but also did recognize the username of that one poster you mentioned who said he was going to try this stuff out and keep us all appraised of his progress. I thought I remembered looking at the thread in "Sex Talk" a while back. I just thought that if he WAS truly devastated by failure of his project, that it was nice of you to show some support.
No fair taking a shot at me like that without posting to [ invalid url ]!! I was specifically hoping you'd chime in!!
But again, let me invoke the "what the hell do I know, I'm a guy" defense. I've no clue what it is about giving oral or taking anal that (some) women (seem to) enjoy, so I just figured more of a penis in these instances would be more of a good thing.
In the case of oral, no, I didn't mean mystifying feats of sword-swallowing, I was thinking more along the lines of licking a shaft. I'll grant that if I was a chick, and my man liked to be deep throated, and THEN he had the nerve to one day pull out a new-and-improved johnson, "yippee" is probably the LAST word that would come to mind...
And as far as anal? Well, again, having never experienced it personally, my idea that bigger might be better was based on what I guess anal must feel like...which I'm guessing is something akin to the sensation of laying humongous turds, one after another, at the rate of your partner's pelvic thrusts. So when I suggested that bigger might be better, I guess I just had the relief I felt the last time I took a huge dump in mind. The bigger the dump, the more intense the ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh feeling is afterwards.
So maybe I was working with a bad hypothesis, but not knowing any anal-practitioners personally, I thought it was a reasonable guess. I guess I guessed wrong.
Drsplain, I apologize for not getting back to you, but as you can imagine, I've had quite a few emails and testamonials coming in (and just when the squirt mail was tapering off, lol), and I really have done all the research I need to. The fact remains, that for all the years these kind of claims have been made, there still is NOT ONE success that has been documented by a CREDIBLE medical institution. That speaks volumes to me.
I'm probably more cynical than a lot of people when it comes to doctors or the medical establishment, but even I realize that not all doctors are in it for the money angle. It wouldn't take any funding to maintain a growth chart by each member's physician.
I certainly didn't intend to put down or knock the guys who try out these programs. If I gave that impression, I apologize. My only purpose was in trying to help those who are bombarded with the message that what they're born with isn't good enough, and are made to feel bad about themselves, That some people are getting rich off of this is unconscionable to me.
Your group however, is a different breed altogether. I did check out the Thunder Message Boards, and while no one appears to be selling any miracle pills, I was struck once again just how obsessed some can get about their dicks. These various techniques might not cost anything, but I think just discussing your dicks ad nauseum is reward enough for many. When you're not pulling it, Jelqing it or stretching it, you're talking about it. And when you're talking about it, you're either lying about it or seriously delusional.
All manner of stretching exercizes are discussed, by members like NotEnough, PullinIt, Uncut4Big, Gottagrow, BIG Future, Sizemeister, as well as many questions concerning 'Drumsticks and bleeding', 'nerve damage', 'Power jelqs', testicle pain, Healing The Old Boy, etc. Some of the members are on more than one dick board, too. Yet I saw next to nothing on actual sex. Kinda weird, if you ask me.
I did see some questions and confusion about measuring, and different methods such as 'bonepressed' (ouch!) being discussed, which could account for any 'growth'.
quote: "There is nothing wrong with a guy wanting and getting a larger penis. No more so than women getting larger breasts, liposuction, fat injected into their lips, permanents, plastic surgery, etc etc etc. It is simply another body part."
Some might argue that there's plenty wrong with those other objectives. They are, however, bonafide procedures that do have results, good or bad, and quite a different thing than pie-in-the-sky penile promises that have no basis in medical fact.
quote: "Of course, there are men who should not practice PE because of becoming too large or because their partner can not handle anything larger."
A frightening outcome indeed, thank you for the warning.
quote yungturk: "I realized your article was "partly tongue-in-cheek", but also did recognize the username of that one poster you mentioned who said he was going to try this stuff out and keep us all appraised of his progress. I thought I remembered looking at the thread in "Sex Talk" a while back. I just thought that if he WAS truly devastated by failure of his project, that it was nice of you to show some support."
The rascal in question is the pornographer [ invalid url ], (Babes Illustrated, Stop My Ass Is On Fire, et al) , who, after years of shooting gargantuan gonads, seemed to have suffered a temporary mind-meld with the Longitude ad copy writers. I'm pretty sure that he really didn't expect a different outcome - however, his Wang Watch 2001 did end rather...um ...prematurely, and abruptly.
As far as your concern about owning 40 porn dvds, or would I run the other way from a guy who had this many? Not necessarily, though it would depend on the type of porn, if he had other interests, and had a firm grasp on reality. But then I might not be the best one to ask, being on a smut site and all. It sounds very similar to my lingerie addiction, but I swear, it's those dang outlet stores that are to blame! I mean, when I can get a Valentino or Dior $60.00 bra for $6.00, I HAVE to buy it. Even though at last count I had 78, and most of them are unworn, they're just too pretty to pass up. I think I have a problem. So, I can understand your ambivalence.
All this talk reminds me of a story I hear about the retirement of President Charles De Gaul. At the press conference a British journalist asked the retiring first lady what she was most looking forward to, now that her husband would be spending so much more time around the house. ‘A penis!’, she quickly replied, beaming.
The journo was a bit taken back by this. The French! He looked around the room for a reaction but none of the local journalists batted an eyelid. Even after a couple of years living there he still couldn’t get over their frankness. Then the man himself De Gaul offered his opinion. ‘I think what my dear wife intended to say there was, “happiness”.
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