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Gunzo
Senior Member


1377 Posts
2/05
Posted - Apr 21 2005 : 2:57PM
Today I got a couple of dvds in the mail, and it turns out two of them plays problematically on my stand-alone dvd-player - however, they play just fine on my PS2 (Pstwo)... this came as a total surprise since I thought the DVD-player in PlayStation 2 was of quite low quality...
They also play fine on my sisters DVD/TV combo... which was also surprising...

This lead me to believe that there can't be any major problem with the discs themselves, but it's the dvd-player that has lousy error correction or something.

So I'm planning to look for a quality stand-alone DVD-player in the range of 200-400$. A DVD-player that is durable, silent (I HATE hearing the disc spin and the laser move!) and has lots of nice features. Simply something more hi-fi. I use my DVD-player almost 24/7 so these cheap players don't cut it, they're designed to be able to handle just a few hours a day probably...
Any recommendations?

Edited by - Gunzo on Apr 21 2005

kukm4
Member

so-cal
212 Posts
9/04
Posted - Apr 21 2005 : 9:45PM
oatmeal
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Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Apr 21 2005 : 9:56PM
What were you doing watching porn on your sister's DVD for? Isn't that... wait for it... Taboo?

You can always take a mainstream DVD, CD and an MP3 CD with you to an electronics store during a quiet time to see if they meet your specifications. It can be hard in some stores since they crank JBlow.

Gunzo
Senior Member

1377 Posts
2/05
Posted - Apr 22 2005 : 7:37AM
I was hoping that maybe someone here owns the perfect DVD-player that meets my requirements. My local eletronic stores... suck... don't stock 'finer' brands like Denon, Marantz etc... mainly plastic crap like Sony, Pioneer etc.
If I order by mail I'll have to pay to send it back if I don't like it, I wish I was living in a large city...

Porn is pretty taboo I would say, so trying the discs on my sister's dvd-player doesn't make it any more taboo I think, I wasn't asking and she wasn't around, and I didn't forgot to remove the disc

Edited by - Gunzo on 4/22/2005 7:38:08 AM

BounceIt
Member

8 Posts
4/05
Posted - Apr 22 2005 : 2:22PM
I am no expert on DVD players. But my experience surprised even myself.

Having brought and used various mid-to-low-end players from the early days of DVD (from Hong Kong, Canada, Europe and USA), my best experience is with a no name Chinese player called Vsonic. After 3 years of use it's still going strong. I took it across the Atlantic and back. It plays NTSC/PAL prefab VCD/DVDs from all regions and to either NTSC, PAL or VGA monitor. It plays DVD+/-R and RW fine (except un-closed discs, of course). It works on 110/220V, 50/60Hz. I've not yet come across a disc that would play on some other player but not this one.

Progessive scan (not tested), component output (looks beautiful!), optical 5.1 output (sounds great). And most importantly, very forgiving on low quality or worn/abused discs.

But alas, the presentation of the product is below average. The shop that sold it couldn't find the right manual, the supplied cables look crappy (but they work). The player itself looks a tad on the cheap side (but it's solid enough to suvive repeated relocations including twice transatlantic) and worst: after about a year of use the door doesn't fully close on its own any more.

Moral of the story: the cheap, and cheap looking, players could be better than your typical mid-to-high end players from major brands. I only wish this player will last forever, but when it dies, I will go for another cheap player.


Yeah Baby!

 
juha
Senior Member

2752 Posts
3/05
Posted - Apr 22 2005 : 3:27PM
That's not surprising at all.
I second BounceIt's opinion.

The cheap players are "all-eaters".

High end players might produce a better image on a big screen but if you watch your DVDs on a normal TV you should go for a cheap player because it has a much better error correction.
High end players are much too sensitive to scratches.

jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - Apr 23 2005 : 9:34AM
it's actually an issue of the ps2 being closer to your computer's drive. a standalone has hardware error-correction built in, the playstation doesn't but on a disc with a fubar'ed TOC or index it may read it better because it's not just playing what it sees. the downside is that it needs to spin the disc constantly. neither method is "better" and a standalone will play some things that lock the playstation up.
Gunzo
Senior Member

1377 Posts
2/05
Posted - Apr 23 2005 : 3:20PM
Since I don't really want a cheap player (I want good functions), I'll probably return the discs... but I've heard stories about stores not accepting returns if they can play it without problem on their DVD-player...

I just assumed that more expensive players got better lasers and error correction. My stand-alone DVD-player I've got now was pretty cheap, around 120$, I also tested these discs on another even cheaper player, around 70$... and both players froze and scrambled the image equally. So cheap isn't necessarily all-eater.

StevenPHH
New Member

4 Posts
4/05
Posted - Apr 23 2005 : 8:01PM
I have a combo (DVD/VHS), $130.00. It plays every DVD I have ever put into it. My $300 (4 year old) Toshiba hates everything, go figure.
BounceIt
Member

8 Posts
4/05
Posted - Apr 25 2005 : 7:20PM
Well Gonzo, you should return those discs. If necessary, bring one or two of your players along. Even if the shop get the discs to play on their player, they should not refuse your return.

If the DVDs in question starts normally but consistently freeze, stutter or scramble (random rectangles) at a certain point than neither cheap nor expensive players will solve your problem. I don't believe expensive players have any better optics or laser. AFAIK, pretty much every player in the world contain the same optics made by a handful of OEMs. The brand name manufacturers have stricter QA so it's less likely you will get a duh from a brand name. There are many desirable features on expensive players, but I don't think reading marginal discs is one of them.

A common problem with players is mechanical misalignment, here brand name products may or may not have an edge over cheap players. The problem you hear about PS2 is all misalignment, and the complaint is aimed at Sony charging an unreasonable fee (in many but not all cases) for the "repair". Otherwise I don't think the PS2 drive is any worse then fancy $400 players.


Yeah Baby!

jamesn
Senior Member

Cambridge, MA
750 Posts
1/04
Posted - Apr 25 2005 : 11:08PM
oh, check out the phillips dvp642. even if you want something mid-range, it's worth the 60-bucks to play back .avi and mpeg-4 files. i'm not sure if it's worth spending any real money on a dvd-player right now given the format's about to see some changes. brand-wise, rotel or denon would be the ones i'd trust. probably marantz, cambridge audio and nad would be right below them. toshiba's have garbage for drive mechanisms, pioneers have buggy decoding.



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