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oatmeal
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Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Oct 31 2004 : 10:11AM
I'm seriously considering buying myself a DVD Recorder for Christmas. Anyone have brands to avoid or must-have feature suggestions? Any good review sites?

I'd primarily use it to record television while watching a different show or scheduled recording. I'd occasionally use it for time-shifting as well.

What's been everyone's experience with DVD Recorders so far? Are they ready for prime-time?

CJNeverWinter
Member

93 Posts
10/04
Posted - Oct 31 2004 : 12:36PM
are you talking about a stand alone DVD Recorder or a DVD Burner for your computer?

Peace be the Journey

kukm4
Member

so-cal
212 Posts
9/04
Posted - Oct 31 2004 : 1:02PM
You can try Videohelp.com
on the left side theres a menu. You might want to check
"DVD Writers" section. If theres a certin model your intrested in you can do a search and see if there are any owner reviews there. I also like the fact that the owners will often include types or brands of media they have burned and if it was a good,bad,or mixed result.

See if this helps any

Kukm4
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Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Oct 31 2004 : 1:16PM
Make sure it actually does timeshifting. They don't all have that feature.

My Pioneer 5100H is an HDD+DVD recorder.
It's a bit pricey but I've been very happy with it.
Simple to use and excellent picture quality in both recording and playback.

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Oct 31 2004 : 2:01PM
stand alone unit. I don't want a PC hooked up to my stereo and TV.
I have a DVD burner already.
 
snowman872
RainCoatReviews.com

400 Posts
6/00
Posted - Oct 31 2004 : 5:11PM

My standalone Panasonic (E-20) has worked great for me now for several years. When I upgrade, I may well get another Panasonic model, but this time with a hard drive.

-- Snowman

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Oct 31 2004 : 10:03PM
the hard drive feature looks sweet. Then the DVD recorder almost becomes pointless other than backing up must-have shows.
Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Nov 1 2004 : 12:16PM
Exactly. I've only transferred a show onto DVD twice.
Once when friends wanted a copy of a show they missed.
And once when I wanted to transfer a short comedy sketch to my PC for mailing to someone.

Anything else stays on the hard drive until I've watched it.

You don't have to worry about changing media if you want to record more than the few hours that'll fit on a DVD.
And timeshifting is great for skipping commercials.

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 1 2004 : 12:43PM
I have a bit of a hard on for these devices now... well, as much of a hard on as you can get over a tech-toy. Their arrival signals the end of VCRs.

In Canada we don't have TIVO so this is the next best thing.

EL_
Member

Browsing with Mouse Gestures
193 Posts
7/04
Posted - Nov 2 2004 : 12:12AM
liteon makes a couple and they carry them at CompUSA. The computer drives they make are nice but I know little of their standalone units.
Solid
Member

180 Posts
5/04
Posted - Nov 2 2004 : 4:45PM
stay away from Cyberhome dvd recorders,they're known to be crap,although the price can be really appealing.Also,their popular squarish little dvd player you see everywhere at Best Buy,Target,etc is known to skip, overheat and die very quickly.
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 2 2004 : 6:19PM
I'll definitely stick with brand names for something this price.
consumer
Member

NYC
17 Posts
11/04
Posted - Nov 10 2004 : 8:54PM
This is the best advice you'll ever get because I own 4 Panasonic DVD recorders.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00021ZVL0/ref=ord_cart_shr/002-4648929-5175269?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002GU2XW/ref=ord_cart_shr/002-4648929-5175269?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=A3LJ5WMKNRFKQS&v=glance

These models have hard drives. The convenience is you can watch recorded shows WHILE the machine is recording other shows. If you're backing up movies, you set the exact time you want to record. Like 2;21 for a show that is 2:20. Above 4 hours, things start to get grainy. I now have a cleaner bedroom with no VHS tapes to pile up.

There are lots of other conveniences like 10 hex fast forward speeds, on-screen television show menu so you just choose and click to record, timer recording, etc. It records to DVD-RAM and DVD-R media only which no problem for me. You definitely gonna invest in big Case Logic DVD holders.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002D8L10/qid=1100137972/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl193/002-4648929-5175269?v=glance&n=507846

Lotsa technical info right here.

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelList?storeId=11251&catalogId=11005&langId=-1&catGroupId=11058

here's the site for the best DVD-R blanks. I like the 500 pack.

http://www.supermediastore.com/prodisc-4x-dvd-r-silver-47gb.html

Finally, go visit CompUSA and ask about their $99 device that overrides copyguarded DVD's.

consumer
Member

NYC
17 Posts
11/04
Posted - Nov 10 2004 : 9:01PM
Oh yeah, I love the one-minute skip button. Never saw any of the political commercials. Fast little machines. You choose from 5 different recording speeds for your choice of clarity. Yes, they got 3-wire component video cables, S-VHS, or plain RCA cable outputs. REad everything I posted. Very informative.
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 11 2004 : 1:43PM
A Hard drive unit is definitely the way to go.

I've been looking at the JVC DR-MH30SU and Pioneer DVR-520H-S along with the Panasonic DM-RE85S. It seems you can't record dolby digital with the Panasonic is that right?

Most of the DVD recorders only use DVD-R discs which is a shame. That's will change in future versions no doubt. But if they keep selling both there should be no problem.

You can't play mp3s that are stored on a DVD can you? That would be handy, one disc would be all I would need.

I've downloaded each product's manual to see if I can spot any pitfalls to them as well as get an idea for the user interface.

 
rump
Member

ireland
42 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 11 2004 : 2:34PM
i have gone through a few DVD recorders, PHILIPS/PANASONIC/SONY..... i would tell you to stay away from PHILIPS, i i had 2 of their machines (880/70) both these units failed!! after getting lots of coasters!! the panasonic was fine , and i upgraded that to a SONY GX3, this has never given me a problem, and i never had a failed recording!!!


rump

Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Nov 11 2004 : 6:46PM
Not on my Pioneer 5100H.

I doubt DVD-R is going to be forced out by DVD+R.
Sony'll make sure +R stays around, but there's plenty of support for -R.
With dual format PC burners there's room for both in this generation of media anyway.

consumer
Member

NYC
17 Posts
11/04
Posted - Nov 11 2004 : 8:54PM
Will someone please explain what the difference is between DVD-R and DVD+R? What is the argument about? Why were 2 differnt kinds made in the first place? My 4 panasonic DVD recorders record onto DVD-R and the pictures look good. The degradation in picture quality of a copy is minimal.
Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Nov 12 2004 : 11:15AM
There's no quality difference. It's just a format war.

-R was the first one and is backed by the DVD Forum. A group of companies who like to think of themselves as the official DVD standards body. That may be justified or not, I never really checked.
+R was started by another group of companies who call themselves the DVD-RW Alliance.

I think -R is supposed to be more likely to play on older players and +R has some benefits with linking when stopping and starting a recording.

The DVD-RW bunch have come up with an 8.5GB dual layered format. I don't think -R has a version of that yet.
The dual layer discs are hideously expensive BTW.

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 12 2004 : 9:08PM
DVD+R has the dual layer format while it's technically not feasible for DVD-R. I believe the difference is based on the laser frequency.

DVD+RW Article

Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Nov 13 2004 : 3:26AM
Yup. Of course I meant to write that the DVD+ RW group has dual layered discs. Not the DVD-RW side.

Edited by - Kperv on 11/13/2004 3:27:26 AM

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 13 2004 : 8:44AM
Dual Layer may become a big factor in the format battle later on. As of now I don't think any of the recorders support it.

In doing my research I've been downloading the product's Operating Instructions. That seems to be where you find the Achilles heel for these devices. For example, I was looking at the Sony RDR-HX900 and while it records to both DVD+R/RW and DVD-R/RW it doesn't support DVD-RAM. It also records in stereo (no 5.1) and if you play a disc with a 96 kHz PCM signal it converts it to 48 kHz.

Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Nov 13 2004 : 9:17AM
Perhaps. But unless the capacity of the dual layered +R discs are increased from 8.5GB to 9.4GB thus enabling 1:1 copying of even a full DVD, the uptake of DL may flounder.
Wrong as piracy is (and yes it is wrong) lets not kid ourselves, without rampant piracy the initially more expensive 80min CD-Rs would never have caught on.

Note to moderators: Don't worry this isn't about to turn into a HOWTO on DVD copying. These DVD recorders won't copy protected DVDs anyway.

Outside high-end data storage and backup I don't think you'll ever see a DVD-RAM again.
Well they are mainly for recording broadcast television not for copying DVDs. So stereo only makes sense. Any Pro-Logic embedded in the stereo signal is preserved.
Aren't DVDs still the only source of 5.1?
On my Pioneer that is an option. My receiver can handle 96kHz so I've disabled the conversion.
Also, are you sure about that? My receiver is a Sony and is seems odd that their players wouldn't support outputting 96kHz when their own receivers can handle it.
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 13 2004 : 12:21PM
I primarily want a DVD recorder for the Tivo like aspects as well as being able to take that recorded content and archive it to disc. Dual Layer would only make the number of discs required less and increase recording time. With a Hard drive unit it's only a factor if you don't want to break up a recording.
Unless some of the more unsavory Asian companies get their hands on it.
what about digital cable and satellite?
that's what it says in their manual. I don't know why they did that.
Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Nov 13 2004 : 1:34PM
Right, I forgot we weren't only talking about recorders with hard drives.
Without one of those, DL discs could be interesting if their price comes down.
Yeah OK, I wasn't sure but I just checked our local offerings. They started using 5.1 on some movie channels this year.
Of course that's already obsolete. Now it's gotta be 6.1.
Tsk, tsk, Sony, Sony, Sony. Sometimes they surprise everyone with some terrific gear. And sometimes I wonder how they stay in business.
 
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 13 2004 : 4:46PM
And then it'll be 6.2, and then 8.2, and then you'll have to run out and replace your music and movie collections yet again. A/V companies can be such pricks.

Sony is always 6 months to a year behind the trend. And then they try to shove mini-disc at ya.

Kperv
The Cuddler

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1818 Posts
1/04
Posted - Nov 14 2004 : 5:40AM
I wonder when we're going to get a pair of ear plugs and have computer algorithms emulate the effects of the various speaker placements and our outer ears.
Add a Sybian for that deep rumbling bass. And presto, ADT reviews start appearing in Hi-Fi weekly.
Yes I know how we guys would have to mount that beast, but audiophiles are already a bit anal anyway.

Christmas is fast approaching. Any closer to making you selection?

consumer
Member

NYC
17 Posts
11/04
Posted - Nov 14 2004 : 7:13PM
Tips I want to share about my Panasonic DVD recorders. I had some problems with recordings and would get a message that my blank disc was unrecordable. Threw away about 5 discs before I realized my recorders may have suffered corruption from a power blackout and needed to be rebooted. I remember reading that all you had to do was press and hold down the on/off button for a few seconds instead of unplugging the unit for a few minutes. Didn't know if I was supposed to do this when it was on or off. I did it both times. Seems you're supposed to do this when it is off. What happens is that it comes on and then goes back to off. Now my disc can record okay. Good thing I didn't empty the trash and was able to recover the salvagable blanks. Anyway, just to be sure, I rebooted all 6 of my Panasonic DVD recorders and made a mental note to do this at regular intervals. Hope this helps many of you porn videophiles.

This kind of strategy can be applied to your problems when your online downloads are slowing down. Just unplug your little black box or whatever you call it that your online service provider gave to you plus your firewall gizmo and everything that is connected on the cable between your cable of telephone wall outlet and your computer. Wait a few minutes or take a caffeine break and then replug it. Seems oftentimes we don't know there was a short power failure that can affect our sensitive electronic components. So now you know. Knowledge should be shared in the spirit of friendship.

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 14 2004 : 7:42PM
I remember a story from back in the 90s where a research lab placed microphones in the ears of a mannequin head. The theory being you'd record the audio at the eventual source to mimic the sound as it would come into your ears. I don't know if there was any practical application for this or not but the article said it was amazing. It was probably vapor-ware like 3D audio and Q-Sound (remember that one? Madonna probably does, she invested in it)
I believe the Sony is out. I have to spend more time with the manuals to pick apart the other models I'm looking at. I'll try to make notes and post the pitfalls of these models:
Panasonic DMR-E85H
JVC DR-MH30SU
Pioneer DVR-520H
Toshiba RD-XS32
Sony RDR-HX900
licker
Senior Member

Heretic, Iconoclast, Skeptic
1141 Posts
8/03
Posted - Nov 17 2004 : 7:26AM
I recall seeing articles about "dummy head" stereo as far back as the 70's. The reviewers were pretty amazed at the results. The main drawback was that you could only listen to it on headphones. Back then nobody used headphones, so the idea fizzled out. Now the world is full of walkman-style equipment, perhaps they should try it again.
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 17 2004 : 8:52AM
I'd like to hear "dummy head" recordings with my own ears to prove if they are hype or not. I'm such a non-believer.

There are surround sound headphones on the market and they're not too expensive.

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 22 2004 : 8:47PM
If anyone else is interested in DVD recorders there's an article in the December issue of Digital World magazine
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Nov 28 2004 : 1:49PM
I think I'm going to postpone buying anything. With the prices of DLP TVs dropping I may pick one of those instead. I may pick up a cheap disc-only DVD recorder as a trial. It all seems "not ready for prime time"
oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Jan 1 2005 : 5:47PM
Found a great solution. My local cable company RENTS high end HDTV terminals with a built in 120 GB hard drive. It's like TIVO without the tivo fees.
M.B.
Senior Member

1679 Posts
2/01
Posted - Jan 5 2005 : 1:13PM
I've got a question:
Is it possible to get a dvd recorder that will record/save one or two scenes from a porn dvd and then record it onto a blank disc? Would this footage have to be saved to the hard drive in the dvd recorder first and then transferred to a disc? or are there double tray dvd recorders that can record from one disc to another?
I'd like to make "best of" compilations discs of my collection.
Just wondering.
 
astroknight All-Star Supporter
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Tastes so good...
4187 Posts
11/99
Posted - Sep 20 2005 : 9:09AM
My VCR that I use to tape TV is really pissing me off by not taping about half the stuff I want it to tape, so I'm thinking about picking up a standalone DVD Recorder. Anybody have any experience with them? Any particular ones to avoid or look towards?????

"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

rockerhard
Member

Music Fucking City
20 Posts
10/05
Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 9:51PM
What about a Digital Video Recorder? No discs to buy or worry about, and added features like the ability to pause live tv, and easily schedule your recordings with a few clicks on the remote control. Depending on the size of the hard drive on the model you choose, you can just about get one for the cost of a DVD recorder.

Just another option to consider if you haven't already.


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rockerhard
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Music Fucking City
20 Posts
10/05
Posted - Oct 2 2005 : 9:52PM
Whoops! Just realized I replied to an older post. Sorry about that :)

But now that I'm here, did you ever make a decision?

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oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 7:17AM
models that include a hard drive are coming down in price. make sure it has a dual tuner... of course if you have digital TV (cable or satellite) then you're kinda screwed for being able to tape the premium channels while trying to watch another premium channel.
astroknight All-Star Supporter
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Tastes so good...
4187 Posts
11/99
Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 1:11PM
I picked up one of the Panasonic DVD recorders with the hard drive in it. So far, both mrs. knight and I absolutely love it. It's very user friendly and we haven't had a problem yet.

"Vegetarianism for me is about saying ‘yes’ to things - even meat." - Coupling

oatmeal
Meat Popsicle

Seeking Beauty
1738 Posts
8/04
Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 3:12PM
good choice caped crusader. especially after what TIVO and other digital services will try to pull over the next year or two (blocked recording or recordings that expire)
Bill All-Star Supporter
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5334 Posts
6/00
Posted - Oct 3 2005 : 8:43PM
Tivo and the other digital services don't want to do this. They may be required to because of laws that have been passed over the last few years by Congress (with the financial support of the MPAA).

These laws are the worst thing that could happen to the DVR industry.

If you want to blame someone, blame the MPAA and Congress.




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