OK research1 and murdock (and anyone else): calm down in here. Remember the forum etiquette - "Adult DVD Talk is a Friendly Community. Treat fellow posters as neighbors. Please be respectful of each other and each other's threads. If what someone has posted angers you, wait until you calm down before you respond or simply don't respond."
I just wanna know why dogfart doesn't have any true gangbang scenes of white guys giving it to black chicks. Cumbang doesn't really count, for me - it's more of a blowbang with some fucking thrown in. But there are tons of black-on-white gangbang scenes at BlacksOnBlondes.com - go figure.
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 9:57AM
Because the director/content producers doesn't care that much about the scenes. You can look at his blog and other postings, the guy is very liberal former college instructor. When he mentions White men, it's always in a negative way. The guy dislikes White men and it shows in the porn he films. They are filming things other than BM/XF IR because they are having trouble making money doing just BM/XF IR. As much as dogfart is advertised on porn forums, they are not making enough to survive without doing other sites. That is why WeFuckBlackGirls and the other sites were started, to bring in more non-gay WM fans. I'm not going to buy anything dogfart has to sell regardless of how much I like this new crop of BF performers.
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 10:24AM
dude, you really need to cut it out with labeling all BM/WF porn as "gay". It's not. Just as there's nothing "wrong" with interracial dating/sex/marriage, there is also nothing wrong with being gay. It's not yourpreference, and that's fine too. But stop insulting everyone's intelligence by equating interracial porn with homosexuality and insinuating that either are a problem. Edited by - foobachi on 8/20/2015 10:25:21 AM
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 11:20AM
As to the whole "gay" thing. In this post, I said that they are trying to attract non-gay WM to the dogfart network. The reason WHY they are doing that is more relevant than who they are trying to attract. Billy Watson has said many times that for all the time and effort he puts into the content, he is not getting the profits he really needs. He also points out his age, noting how it has changed his perspective on things. The POV stuff, the WM/BF in wefuckblackgirls, the Reddit AMA, the interviews is all an effort to expand his base. The profits are not where they should be. But I don't think he's going to get what he's looking for. You can't make racially offensive content for nearly a decade (he's been with dogfart 13 years) and show your disdain for WM then turn around and expect WM to come running to your site. Will he get some? Yes of course. But not as much as he could if he hadn't bashed and mocked Whites for that length of time. Not to mention, he gets hot BF performers and puts them with usually sketchy WM on a dirty set and makes half-hearted porn. Edited by - research1 on 8/20/2015 11:30:47 AM Edited by - research1 on 8/20/2015 11:31:47 AM Edited by - research1 on 8/20/2015 11:33:20 AM
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 12:30PM
Again, Dogfart's membership is largely composed of white males. It is these white males who demand the content that you describe as "racially offensive." Edited by - misspornUSA on 8/20/2015 12:31:09 PM
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 1:37PM
You know this how? I just took the time to look at the comments section of the scenes on that network, if there's any indication of the larger viewing audience at least half of them are non-White. Lots look like English is their second language too, but who knows what countries they are from. I've also seen people who are Black say they watch Dogfart. IR-tube.net is a forum that routinely bans suspected White posters. They are pretty much all Black at that forum. The idea that it is overwhelmingly White doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I looked on a demographic breakdown of traffic for Dogfart a long time ago. You know who was a big chunk of their viewership? Unmarried men in their 30s. without kids. Edited by - research1 on 8/20/2015 1:41:12 PM
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 1:51PM
^It muddles things that you are employing a more stringent definition of white than I am (you don't, for example, regard Jews as white), but as I've pointed out before whenever the audience is addressed in a scene or trailer they are addressed as white. Furthermore, look at the stand-in for the audience in scenes on Dogfart sites such as Watching my Daughter go Black. The audience is meant to identify with the white man playing the father in those scenes. That is the fetish. Similarly, the audience is supposed to identify with the white male cuckold in Cuckold Sessions. Of course, a minority of Dogfart members are not white males. I'm not, but Dogfart certainly does not have a female audience in mind with the content that they produce.
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 1:53PM
I wrote to you in another comment that I am talking about Dogfart's members, the people who are actually paying for the content. Undoubtedly, plenty of non-members watch their content, which is heavily pirated. To reiterate, when I speak about Dogfart's viewers I am only referring to paying members. I have no idea at all what the demographic makeup of the people who watch such content illegally is.
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 1:59PM
If "race" is a social construct that brings together genetics with perception of cultural identity performance than I just go by that. For those particular semites the genetic argument is not in favor. The perception of cultural identity performance was clearly in favor when I was growing up. It looks like in the last 6 years that perception is starting to come into question. Both from people in the tribe and those outside the tribe. So, it's not just my opinion. You don't think racist black men like the idea of WM being humiliated when they watch their IR BM/WF porn? Not to mention any other group who both despises WM and wants to fuck WF. I think the stand-in in that shit is the woman/daughter. For the guys who despise WM, the BM is the stand-in. The woman is the barrier that these gay dudes put up in order to deny their own homosexuality...it's all part of the "kink" for them.
I've nothing whatsoever against black-on-white gangbangs; I watch and enjoy them. But if, as has been said, the membership demographic of Dogfart is predominantly white males, doesn't it figure that a significant part of that demographic would also want to see white-on-black gangbangs? That's what's so baffling to me - the lack of such scenes, not only on the Dogfart network but across porn as a whole. There's a gulf between the number of black-on-white gangbangs and the other way round, as it were. Why is this?
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 2:13PM
That might be the case, if those WM were straight... There's a reason why dogfartnetwork also has an outright gay sight and multiple cuckold sites. What straight man wants to see another guy lick up sperm ? The truth has been staring everyone in the face for years. If there are a lot of WM watching that shit, they are on a range from bisexual to full homosexual. Apparently, a lot of them are in denial. I also want to add that looking at where the traffic is coming from (not that you get a good picture unless you're monitoring it at least once a month for a long time) and having just looked the comments section, a lot of the guys who have membership there (can non-members comment??) are not from the U.S. or English is not their main language. The Middle East, northern Africa (Arabs) and India consistently pop up on most common origins at Alexa.com I could check again for you, but I let my subscriptions to Alexa and Quantcast lapse after I was done with my research paper. Edited by - research1 on 8/20/2015 2:17:48 PM
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 2:16PM
^The problem here is that, rather than attempting to understand the fetish from the inside you're choosing to believe that your outsider's perspective must be normative "I am a straight white male and would not like to see my white girlfriend, wife, or daughter have sex with a black man, therefore no straight while male would like that." You're confusing your subjective, uninformed perception of the fetish with the objective reality about who is actually buying this kind of porn and who it is made for.
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 2:25PM
Go to a few mainstream forums with a large WM population and make a poll. Ask them if they think a straight man would like to watch his female relative or gf have sex with another man. Ask them if a straight man would like to watch a video of such a thing where the WM is the cuckold. It would be a distinct minority, probably somewhere along the line of 15%+- when you consider homosexual wishful thinkers replying, trolls, and bigoted non-WM who vote yes just to slander WM. The other thing I noticed is that the guys mostly invested in saying that it's SWM who are the bulk of the viewers are non-WM and WM who have a stated cuckold fetish. Cuckolds are all about denying their homosexuality even while admitting to outright homosexual behavior-like performing oral sex on another man or eating his sperm. The truth is pretty obvious, but you don't want to see or hear the truth.
misspornUSA, why are you feeding this troll? He's a racist and a homophobe who has made a habit out of insulting other members. He's not interested in a genuine dialogue about IR porn, he's only interested in spouting his inane bullshit. You would be better off arguing with a brick wall.
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 2:42PM
You haven't given me any information, just denial. I'm the only one in this conversation that has bothered to look up anything I've said. I just spent several minutes (and some of my own money) to see if anything has changed. The biggest chunk of the audience is still a caucasian male, 30-60 unmarried without kids. Making over 60k but below 100k. Countries that are overrepresented? Austria and Algeria.
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 2:49PM
To steer this back to BF in porn, I'll say that the reason why there was so little of WM/BF is that there was less demand among WM and what demand was there, was not being met by directors. Directors own fetishes and biases play into what gets made, even though some don't like to admit it. Also, there are a lot of people outside the U.S. who are neither White nor Black but want to see WF getting fucked. The BM becomes a reasonable stand-in for guys who aren't Black but don't identify with WM and want to see someone else fucking them. India, North Africa, Mexico come to mind; It's no surprise that those countries often pop up when looking at web traffic for IR BM/WF porn. One strange thing I did notice is that in RoundandBrowns audience, I noticed African men popping up. I think that's more of a case of African men looking for fresh content of true BF getting fucked...and settling for IR WM/BF out of lack of options. Not desire to see WM fuck BF.
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 2:51PM
To be honest, you're right.
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research1 Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 2:58PM
Ha, you guys are so angry at the truth being spilled that you resort to personal attacks rather than being able to debate the issue. Good then, stay off the thread. It's time to steer the thread back to BF.
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 3:12PM
I think the reason for the lack of WM/BF gangbangs stems from the lesser demand for WM/BF IR itself. A director may not want to sink the money into a more expensive and time consuming seen if he doesn't think it will sell well. Woodburn, which spends a lot of time on BF content, does make plenty of WM/BF gang bangs. They even make AM/BF scenes, including one or two gang bang scenes featuring more than one AM. A rarity in a rarity.
Is it the "racism" thing? There seem to be very different dynamics going on in BM/WF gangbangs versus the WM/BF variety. In the former, the girl can appear to be very empowered and/or obviously digging it. With the latter, it seems to be more about subjugation (hence the use of stuff like the confederate flag in the Cumbang scenes). Is it, therefore, considered more "racist" for a black woman to be gangbanged by white men (and as a consequence fewer black actresses sign up for it) than for a white girl to have black guys swarm all over her? Is there even a racist angle to the latter at all? I'll be honest, such is the prevalence of BM/WF IR in porn that I don't think I've ever seriously thought about it before. It's just "normal".
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 7:18PM
Again, Dogfart's membership is largely composed of white males. It is these white males who demand the content that you describe as "racially offensive."
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 7:39PM
^I don't have a problem with it, but research1 was mischaracterizing the site's membership demongraphics in order to support his theory of a black supported Jewish-homosexual conspiracy against white men.
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Posted - Aug 20 2015 : 7:54PM
Wm/bf is frustrating to watch most of the time but Dogfart does it well. Their parody of race relations is good also..They would be better with a all black site but it is still a good porn company. The problem is sites who seem like they put no thought in the pairings of wm/bf..like they they are doing buyers a favor by even shooting it...a monopolized industry is another problem too many following the leader and it is going no where fast.
Im assuming the scene that the OP is talking about is cumbang from dogfart? Well, I think a lot of people would say that those white guys are basically white versions of the black guys on interracialblowbang. And interracialblowbang has had a few prominent non black performers such as London Keys and Julia Ann. I agree that disrespectful and awkward questions from the director are bad. But you have to admit that its kinda hot seeing a beautiful polished performer sucking off a bunch of dirty looking, cracked out homeless looking guys.
I'd say that the reason for the gulf between the number of black-on-white gangbangs and the other way around is people's bias against black skin color. Many people won't say it openly, but they see white skin color as being more attractive than black. This prejudice is so widespread that both white and black people see it this way. That's why a lot of black women use cosmetic products to lighten their skin, instead of being proud of being black and beautiful. And that's why so many black guys have relationships with white women and marry them, even while many black women remain alone and don't have any partners. And this is also why white guys are much less likely to have relationships with black women and marry them. This is the kind of prejudice that's hard to criticize. Because whom you find attractive or not is a matter of personal feelings and choice. You can't tell another person whom he or she should like in a romantic and sexual way. People can't easily choose their feelings and control how they feel. But this widespread prejudice against dark skin color can actually be an opportunity and an advantage, if you happen to be white and you like black women. Because even many black women consider white skin color more attractive. And this makes you more attractive for such women. You might be a schmuck among white women and not get anywhere with them. But among black women, you might get a pretty sexy woman, who would normally be out of your league, if it wasn't for racism and subconscious prejudice.
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Foobachi Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 21 2015 : 2:29PM
Id say it goes a bit deeper than racial bias. This will probably sound controversial or troll-baitish, but there really aren't very many "elite" black female porn stars to begin with. there are far fewer black women in porn, in the first place. and of them, very, very few who would be held up as "elite" in the same class as "elite" white female porn stars. part of it has to do with simple racial demographics numbers. African Americans only represent about 11% of the population. part of it, and to me, the more important part - are the cultural differences in visual attractiveness. very, very few black female porn stars have the same level of fitness when compared to white girls. Lots of it is a cultural more. Black women are encouraged by society to be "big booty" queens. Lots of black female pornstars are what quite often is considered overweight, and by extension, to a large majority of porn viewers, overweight = unattractive. Sure, there is a subset of porn viewers who prefer big booties, or plumpers, or whatever euphemism you want to use. but that's not the norm.
^ According to CDC, USA now has 41.7 million African Americans. Which is 13.2% of the US population. And if you include people of mixed race, with some African American ancestry, then there are 45 million of such African Americans. Which is 15.2% of the US population. http://www.cdc.gov/minorityhealth/populations/REMP/black.html It's true that there is more obesity among black people than among white. But obesity is related to age. Younger people are less obese than older people. http://stateofobesity.org/obesity-by-age/ And this means that there are millions of young black women, who are neither obese nor overweight. And at least some them are attractive enough to be porn-stars. The fact is that just a few years ago, there were a lot more young, attractive black women in the porn industry than there are now. This sudden exit of black women from the porn industry has nothing to do with obesity. Because obesity rates in USA haven't changed that much in the last few years. Edited by - Dan on 8/21/2015 4:35:10 PM
That might have been true 5-10 years ago, when you had women like Pinky and Jada Fire around and very popular, but it isn't really true anymore. Partially because of the decrease in black-on-black movies, the demand for that body type on black performers has gone down a great deal. Basically, nowadays you can't be a black female performer and shoot enough to be consistently working without shooting a decent amount of "mainstream" porn, which means you have to fit the "mainstream" body types.
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Posted - Aug 21 2015 : 5:06PM
There was a entire genre for Black women now it is gone during that time porn declined also there has to be some correlation... Basically a handful of people killed the industry unbelievable but true.
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Posted - Sep 17 2015 : 5:05AM
You make that sound like its a bad thing.
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That site is low rent. That's just who they are. In production values and talent. They even brag about it. As for the topic, Nadia is relatively new to the industry and while better looking than most girls in the industry, she doesn't have a lot of clout, so she takes work where she can get it. Hence why she's doing a scene with a bunch of mopes. Now she and other women in her position could refuse to do said scenes but they'd have to find other revenue streams to make up for the lost work. Which isn't that easy. Also this explains why a lot of good looking black women do scenes with mopes as opposed to good looking white women who don't. They can get sufficient work without needing to do them. Edited by - Zy28 on 9/17/2015 5:06:18 AM
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