I read an interview on the old MMF site where Sunny Lane said she will do ir this year with Sean, but ironically she is now working as an escort and refuses to see black clients. It was also reported that Amy Reid will be doing ir but she is also also refusing to see black clients. Jenaveve Jolie is another one...just like many others. Don't you see that it is ironic that these women lie about doing interracial and then go on to discriminate against black clients? What's the reason behind an escort refusing brothas ? People will give the attraction argument. Do you honestly believe that they are attracted to all their clients?
It's called personal preference. There are some girls that prefer black guys. Does that mean all white guys should complain about it? No.
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Zaer Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 30 2009 : 5:49PM
Actually it's called racial discrimination. And they're only discriminatory against Blacks because financially they can get away with it. Although given that we're in a recession, it's a rather unintelligent decision to make.
How dare they think they have a choice on what they want to do with their body!!!! "I do not as a rule seek advice about food from thin people..." - Jeffrey Steingarten
um its not racial discrimination.... its personal preference.... let em do what ever the hell they wanna do, its our f@#$ing body no one has the right to sit there and tell us whom we should or shouldnt see/ or do on film/in private.... step off man grow up "im the girl your mother warned you about"
Yeah, who do they think they are not being willing to fuck any guy with a few $100 bills hanging out of his zipper?! What absolutely horrible people they are! Why, I think I'll go out tomorrow night and sleep with 3 black ladies just to show what a level-headed, open-minded, progressive, upright, productive member of society I am! Nevermind that I'll be sexually attracted to none of them and the fucking will be about as interesting as The View! , for fuck's sake...
I don't know if Nimrod is a troll or not but he does this on a couple of forums. Also, lets call a spade a spade. I'm black and i don't really have a problem with the ladies setting their rules. Mackenzee is right, it's their body. But when you single out one race, that is discrimination. You can do if you want, but don't act like it isn't discrimination. That's what bugs me the most. Not necessarily the act it's self but the way people act like it isn't what it is.
Maybe Sunny, Amy, and/or Jenaveve are racists; maybe for one, two, or all three of them it's just a question of attraction. You can speculate all you want to, but you're unlikely to arrive at the "truth" that way. These are just three girls in a sea of women. Why do you care so much about what these three girls think, anyway?
I must confess.... I LIKE BLONDES. Of Euro descent. I am of French descent. Blonds get my dick hard. Brunettes are ok... But I have always been that way. My preference. I am not running for public office. Nor do I claim to be an "equal opportunity employer". Am I a racist? Maybe my dick is. Its got a pretty narrow focus on what turns it on. I sure hope I don't find a picket line protesting out in front of my dick when I wake up in the morning.... There is all kinds of porn out there, Asian, Latin, Indian, and most of it goes right over my head. Its not for me, But I don't get offended when I see a hot blondie w/ a person of another race. If they are into who they are with and performing a great scene, I can get off on that. Edited by - warrenwest67 on 7/31/2009 10:18:15 AM
I will never understand how any self-respecting black man even gives a second thought to some chicks who wouldn't fuck him if he paid them, despite the fact that that's how said chicks make a living. Y'all dudes gotta stop making these threads. It is what is. They don't wanna fuck you for money. Move on to the next chick who will. Shit, am I the only one who thinks IR looks better when the women are actually attracted to the guys? Hell, that goes for ANY scenes.
Having worked as an escort I can report that many escorts will not see African-American men, and it has very little to do with personal racial discrimination. It has everything to do with "racial profiling". In escorting circles black men have gotten a black eye - they have been the source of violence and theft against escorts too many times. So now many escorts, instead of weeding out the good from the bad, just say no black men at all. That is not to say that no white men have been violent or stolen, simply that the proportion of safe white clients compared to safe black clients makes it worthwhile to dump one and focus on the other. For similar reasons many escorts will not see clients under the age of 25, of any color. In porn, many performers are told to hold off on doing interracial scenes until their popularity dips a bit and they are less in demand. The same goes for multiple partner scenes and circus act scenes. It's a business decision, not a personal decision.
because Bob, you see, in wankers' heaven they put the girl/s on a tall pedastal. Or single certain girls out to 'ride in the front seat' so to speak. So when that girl doesnt live up to her 'goddess' status, it's devastating for her admirers.
^^^ You can speculate all you want about Nimrod's motives, Everett. That won't help me, because my question was not rhetorical. I actually want to know what Nimrod thinks -- what's on his mind. I'm not trying to make a point; I'm trying to get information.
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CHI - BEAR 85 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 31 2009 : 12:49PM
Then how can you explain porn stars like, Sasha Grey, Inari Vachs, Teagan Presely, Bella Donna and other female porn stars who've done interracial in their early career and still become successful later in the adult business. The notion of a white female porn to wait toward end of her career to do interracial is stupid. She can do it, in the begining of her career, middle of her career or toward the end. It doesn't matter, it won't hurt her career.
OK then how about we take Sunny Lane, Amy Reid and Jenaveve Jolie, all to the White House for a beer and talk out there racist views. Then we can all agree to disagree and have a big orgy in the oval office??? And yes Pete... I am.....a hairist....!
Can't people simply accept the reality that . . . -- Some porn performers won't fuck black guys because they're racists. -- Some porn performers won't fuck black guys because they aren't attracted to them. -- Some porn performers won't fuck black guys because their agents tell them not to. and -- Some porn performers do fuck black guys even though they're racists. -- Some porn performers do fuck black guys even though they're not attracted to them. -- Some porn performers do fuck black guys despite what their agents tell them. and -- Some agents tell their clients not to fuck black guys. -- Some agents tell their clients definitely to fuck black guys. -- Some agents tell their clients to do whatever they want. and -- Some agents are racists. -- Some agents are not racists. -- Some agents who are racists do not let that interfere with their desire to earn commissions on IR scenes. -- Some agents who are not racists advise their clients against IR scenes because, rightly or wrongly, they believe it is in the best economic interests of their clients. * * * * * Is it so hard to believe that the world, including the subset of human motivation, is complex? And that there isn't one answer for everything?
I don't explain anything. I just said many performers are told to hold off on doing certain types of scenes. Some performers will be popular and in demand no matter what they do, or don't do. Some performers will not be popular and in demand no matter what they do, or don't do. Most performers fall somewhere in the middle, and carefully negotiating what they do extends their shelf life and earning potential.
No. I'm saying that sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, and sometimes it's too complicated to say whether it is or it isn't. I also saying that there's a difference between being a racist, on the one hand, and recognizing that racism exists and making economic decisions accordingly, on the other hand. Finally, I'm saying that speculation in a vacuum is next to useless and tends to be more an exercise in projection than in deduction.
It seems I forgot to close the "metaphorically speaking" tag. Or the "double entendre" tag. Whichever.
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Rick James Jr Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 31 2009 : 3:38PM
give me the names of the nuckaz who were refused and verification they had the whoe fee funds to pay for the services theese whoes were to provide the day they were refused. if you cant do that, go back to the iloveblackcockbecauseimahomo site.
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tritone Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 31 2009 : 5:24PM
Why? Because it always BLACK GUYS who are the targets -- and no one else. EVER. No other fucking race except blacks. That's why. And we're pissed off.
^^^ Yeah, but if you're pissed off all the time because you interpret every act by a white person that's contrary to your desires to be a racist act, then you're missing a huge hunk of the truth and living in a world of excessive anger. But whatever. Be as angry as you want to be; obsess as much as you want to -- you certainly have the right to do so.
I don't think you're right. I never see any Asian men in American porn. Nor do I see a whole lot of Hispanic guys who promote themselves as such. Given the demographics of Los Angeles, that's out of whack too.
But to clarify: I'd never say that there's no racism in the porn biz. I just don't think that it's as all-encompassing as you do.
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tritone Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 31 2009 : 6:27PM
True. But they COULD be. And no actress would ever turn them down for a scene. At least not because of their race. Only in this country could interracial mean anything other than "between different races". In this country there is every thing else, and then there is BLACK GUYS. It just gets tiring after a while.Exactly. They may not be exactly "white". But they are clearly NOT BLACK. In porn, that is all that matters. Again BLACK PEOPLE ... then everybody else.
What does "COULD be" mean, if they aren't? Do you think that no Asian guys want to be paid to fuck beautiful women?How do you know? On what evidence do you base this statement?I don't understand your "exactly". My point was that self-identified Latino males are also unrepresented in the male talent pool. For instance, there are no titles such as "Latin Dicks in White Chicks", even though there is a genre devoted to Latino women. --------------- [spelling] Edited by - bob on 7/31/2009 7:02:45 PM
What's ironic is that they're whores but you expect them to have some sort of moral obligation to be politically correct?? For the record, I agree with you I don't know why a lot of whores wont see black guys but my point is you're not dealing with the tip of the intellectual sword of American women here.
And I guess all straight men and women are sexist because we only have sex with one gender?
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tritone Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 31 2009 : 8:41PM
The many instances of starlets such as Alexis Texas, Sunny Lane, Tory Lane (who didn't do IR at the time), Carmella Bing, etc... going overseas to Japan and making films with Asians while refusing to even TOUCH black men in their own country.
Since we're chatting, Tritone, I have another question for you. You've said that you're angry that some pornstars won't fuck black men. Okay, I get that. Ideally, how would you wish someone like me (a white male, a fellow porn-watcher not involved in the porn business) to respond to or deal with your anger?
I really don't want to throw my 2 cents in on this topic but here goes... First off the topic is so old! It's a truth that's always been a part of the industry and will probably continue to be. I remember when I first started watching porn flicks and it was evident to me that that top black male talent was rarely given the chance to work with the vast majority of top female talent. I noticed it and then dismissed it easily. I couldn't understand then nor do I understand now the animosity that some people feel towards these girls because they won't work with black male performers. I suppose I'm more concerned with the girls I meet every day who will or won't give me the time of day. That being said I'm extremely pleased that there are individuals within the industry now that are making positive moves to get performers of all backgrounds the recognition that they deserve. The recent Urban X Awards are a great example of this. On a side note I'm gonna have to make sure I make it to the next one but I digress... Seriously people. What would you propose that we do? Require all female talent to perform some sort of yearly quota of scenes with non-white male talent? Perhaps picket outside of porn sets? Life's too short to be truly contentious about such a silly topic. If you can't enjoy the current state of porn you've only got two real options. Get in there and change something or leave it be. Anything else is just . Edited by - pwing on 8/1/2009 7:07:25 AM
Good post. On top of what was said here, why all of the focus on the female talent that won't do IR when so many of today's top performers will do it? Seriously, I could care less the Alexis Texas won't fuck black men when Jenna Haze is doing it and she's 20 times finer anyway. Just boycott the ones that won't if it makes you that mad, support the girls like Jenna that will do it and move on. Life is too short to stress over sh*t that can't be changed. Edited by - C-Hammer on 8/1/2009 12:53:46 AM
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. 1048 Posts 7/04
Posted - Aug 1 2009 : 1:43AM
Maybe the escorts say no to the black dudes because the dudes don't have enough coin to get at their goodies. Tritone, why don't you highlight this thread over at XPT?
That excuse doesn't fly. I heard that many times. You are either gay, straight or bi. I'm personally not a big fan of Asian women but I know for a fact that there are a few fine asians ladies out there. If I put all asian girls in one category and refuse to fuck any of them, regardless of looks that will make me a racist. I know some blacks who won't sleep with whites, regarless of what they look like. I believe they are racist too. There is ugly in every race, but apparently these girls don't care what a man looks like as long as he's white. The same girls who claim they won't do blacks because they aren't attracted to them don't have any problem sleeping with Ron Jeremy. How do you explain that? Is it because they find him more attractive than a muscular, younger man like Mr Marcus? I don't think so. Porn and dating are two different things. I understand that some girls won't date black men bec they aren't attracted to them, but for a porn chick to give that as an excuse is ridiculous. Believe me, most of the girls who do IR don't have a preference for black men either. So that argument about straight people being sexist towards gays is ridiculous. If that was valid, gays will certainly complain about it.
I agree. I really don't care. It's disappointing as a fan of two out of the three girls, but it's their body and their choice. What next? Complaints about them refusing to fuck severely obese guys? That said, let's not pretend it's not what it is. When you're having sex with everyone but a Black dude, it's pretty clear what time it is. But like Harmony, Sunny and Miss Jolie are so hot I don't really care. And when girls like Belladonna, Bobbi Starr, Sasha Grey and legions of other do IR, it's not like you don't have hotter options, so seriously, why the hell does anyone care? Edited by - DarkPlaces on 8/1/2009 2:09:14 AM
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tritone Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 1 2009 : 12:02PM
I don't know. There is nothing you can do except listen while avoiding quick, dismissive judgments (like Astroknight's). Just being aware that there is another perspective is helpful. For this, Bob, I am thankful.
^^^ I'm thankful for your honest responses, Tritone. It's a fucked up world we live in.
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Slaughtersun Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 1 2009 : 5:15PM
Thank you! That's all there is to it. They don't like it, they don't do it. So stop bitchin about it! Oh, and tritone, what do you wanna do about it? Force them to have sex with black guys? Because that would be so anti racism? Seriously, people like you should be locked away. Just get over it and move on!
He didn't say he wanted to do anything about it. He just said it made him angry.You're putting words in the guy's mouth. You're provoking.People who get angry and say so? You never get angry?Maybe you should move on. You've been posting on this message board for all of one day and you're giving people orders? ----------------- [typo] Edited by - bob on 8/1/2009 5:30:36 PM
It's not a matter of hurting their career early on. It's a matter of not "having an ace up the sleeve" to generate big payday's later in their career. Take Gianna for example. She's been in the industry since 2004 and, until very recently, never did any anal scenes. You have to know that she got paid a lot more for her anal scene in Big Wet Asses 15 (as well as any future anal scenes that she does over the next 6 months to a year) than she would had she been doing anal scenes throughout her career. The same strategy can be (and is) used with regard to doing IR scenes. A big deal is made out of "performer X's first anal scene" when she's been in the business for a few years. That big deal generates a big paycheck. When she's been in the business for a few weeks and does her first IR scene, that big paycheck doesn't happen.
Kimi's post is 100% accurate. As a 28 year old African American male who enjoys the company of escorts now and then I've been denied services based on my age and race but mostly race plenty of times but I just politely say "Well I'm sorry you feel that way", hang up and call/email the next girl. The hobby can be tough some times but you just gotta dust yourself off and keep moving. Also this idea that its a Black/White thing is bullshit because there's plenty of Black escorts who refuse to see Black clients to, even though they might prefer Black Men in their personal life's but there's just so many scumbags that are apart of our race that the risk outweigh the rewards and I've actually had this conversation with plenty of them I'm not speaking third party or things I've read about online. And the Black clients who actually thought that they were going to bang Sunny Lane, Amy Reid or Jenaveve Jolie are fucking idiots. Either they're not real porn fans/fans of the girls mentioned or they were some uppity Negroes who thought their money/status was all they need to get in the door. LOL And to all my angry brothers that are pissed off about the porn girls who don't fuck black guys take a chill pill and relax. I have more quality IR Porn in my collection then I have time to watch it all, I just enjoy the girls who do the things that I like to see and have no time for the girls that don't. Porn is entertainment its not suppose to cause you any stress.
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Ordell Deactivated User
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Posted - Aug 1 2009 : 7:30PM
Bool-sheet. Show me one movie made in Japan starring Sunny Lane. I see the releases almost daily. The very few American girls that do work over there are almost always unknowns.
Posted - Jul 29 2009 : 11:40PM
, for fuck's sake...
