Furthermore, I don't put a premium on newness. I'd rather watch a favorite performer again than ten new performers who do nothing for me.
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| Mienhagen aka Shameless deactivated again Europe 696 Posts 6/04 |  Posted - Jan 15 2005 : 8:36PMAlarm! After the US, Europe starts lacking porn girls, too. Sbando in his Eurobabeindex 2003 listed 133 new girls, 2004 it was just 77. 2005 it might be less than 40 if that trend goes on. [Link] |
Hardware  All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jan 15 2005 : 8:55PM Furthermore, I don't put a premium on newness. I'd rather watch a favorite performer again than ten new performers who do nothing for me. [Link] |
| scipio Senior Member 1901 Posts 2/00 | Posted - Jan 15 2005 : 10:02PM I might not be in the majority, but I'd love to keep seeing my favorite performers of recent years appearing in new titles. Obviously people retire or take a break, but I'd love to see new stuff from people like Laura Angel, Sophie Evans, Nikki Andersson and so forth. It doesn't mean I can't appreciate a newer performer like Angel Dark or Katja or Monica Sweetheart, but I think the industry's "shelf life" of female performers and turnover of "new girls, more new girls" is a bit boring. I guess that's why I dont buy a lot of RLD stuff with their emphasis on turning over new girls as fast as possible. ah well, just my opinion. scipio [Link] |
| SFT Member 81 Posts 8/04 | Posted - Jan 15 2005 : 10:07PM [Link] |
| Mienhagen aka Shameless deactivated again Europe 696 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jan 15 2005 : 11:01PM To SFT: I guess thats the main problem, yes. [Link] |
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| Endless Loop Senior Member Tomatometer 1129 Posts 8/04 | Posted - Jan 15 2005 : 11:37PM As for new talent, I wouild never underestimate the value of an abundant talent pool. I remember what things were like years ago, when any beauty was hard to come by, let alone the kind willing to go to extremes to please. Just like anything else, supply and demand rules the day. Personally, one of the things i like most about porn is the variety of beautful women, whom I dont know, and as such, can submerge in the visual splendor that they could be anyone. Not to say I don't have my favs. Right now though, it seems an average flick has 1-2 A girls, 2-3 B's, and a C girl. Until that average changes to 3-4 A's as arguably in the past its been, I say open the floodgates! Bring on the women, were runnin dry! [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jan 15 2005 : 11:55PM I suspect that the strata of 'quality' you perceive in the average flick has as much to do with money as with the availability of 'A" team women. And let's not forget the wide variety of tastes our dear pornographers are trying to tend to at one go. [Link] |
| cancel Member LA 188 Posts 9/04 | Posted - Jan 16 2005 : 1:07AM mmmmmmmmmmmmm Julie Silver and Angelina Crow... My two current fave EuroBabes... I may have to stop in Prague and Budapest soon and get some work there! :) lANCE cUMMING [Link] |
| Endless Loop Senior Member Tomatometer 1129 Posts 8/04 | Posted - Jan 16 2005 : 1:19AM [Link] |
| scipio Senior Member 1901 Posts 2/00 | Posted - Jan 16 2005 : 4:17AM The other thing of course is that some companies and producers tend to hire girls of specific body types, so someone may be a 10 to one person while another might not see what the fuss is about. Teagan (pre-upholstered) would be an example here. My point being that a specific dvd might feature 5 girls with Teagan's original body type, and for one person that would be a dvd full of A's with a single B or something, while someone else might think Teagan = A, and all the rest = B or C. scipio Edited by - scipio on 1/16/2005 4:23:00 AM [Link] |
| lukemason Member 697 Posts 8/04 | Posted - Jan 16 2005 : 4:33AM so i don't see where you see the drought dude ! [Link] |
| Mienhagen aka Shameless deactivated again Europe 696 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jan 16 2005 : 4:36AM 2004 looks even worse as about half of those 77 newcomers are solo or lez only.
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| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jan 16 2005 : 9:34AM It's harder for girls to hide it from friends and family and escorting is much more remunerative and less traumatic. Also, don't forget that prettier models have much more soft/dancing work now. [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jan 16 2005 : 2:14PM [Link] |
| Mienhagen aka Shameless deactivated again Europe 696 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jan 17 2005 : 6:14AM Sbando, thanks for confirming my findings, although it's shocking. [Link] |
| Mr_White Member Mercedes Fan. Not talking cars here.... 344 Posts 2/04 | Posted - Jan 17 2005 : 6:54AM I mean, no offense intended here, but IMHO this whole thread looks like you are in some panic because you believe pornworld is gonna change for bad (yet again?). Maybe even pornworld is dying?!? Jeez, none of that is gonna happening. Not now, not tomorrow and not the other day. Maybe some companies will not survive (but that is no big news, it did happen before and will always happen again and again), maybe some directors will no longer be able to produce (but hey, aren´t there way too many so called directors around - especially those former performers who believe they can do it, just because they are able to purchase a camera? IMHO pornworld would be better off with less ex-performers as producers/directors.). Anyway, this thread reminds me that the good old `rolleyes´ smilie is still MIA. It would be of some great use here.... [Link] |
| Mienhagen aka Shameless deactivated again Europe 696 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jan 17 2005 : 7:03AM I do hope I overreact, Mr_White, but all facts known to me point in a different direction. [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jan 17 2005 : 8:44AM I don't know what happened to Nicoletta, the agent of the Ukrainians in Budapest. But her demise is probably the reason why there is no new Ukrainian talent. On the other hand, there's that urban legend about Lenka Gaborova's boyfriend browsing thru a Private magazine at an oil station... [Link] |
| cancel Member LA 188 Posts 9/04 | Posted - Jan 17 2005 : 11:01AM lANCE cUMMING [Link] |
| Gapelover Senior Member Master of Gapes 1933 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Jan 17 2005 : 11:06AM [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jan 17 2005 : 11:20AM Good ol' Shameless is unbound in my guestbook. Check his posts in Anna's forum. Lance is right, Nicoletta got busted last year so no new babes. [Link] |
| Gapelover Senior Member Master of Gapes 1933 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Jan 17 2005 : 11:40AM HaHaHa , do you have more Shameless girls on the Eurobabeindex ? Anna is no DAP girl from the "Shameless all DAP Agency" . [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jan 17 2005 : 12:20PM [Link] |
| Gapelover Senior Member Master of Gapes 1933 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Jan 17 2005 : 2:21PM [Link] |
| STEMCELL Senior Member Russia+China are Terror states 1540 Posts 8/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 6:23AM But there´s one thing I want to add. There´s no doubt that EBI is the most complete index on Eastern European females working in the adult biz. It´s a great website (design, galleries, etc.) NO DOUBT! But even it is far from being complete. The latest I realized that there´s at least a dozens of new girls from Eastern Europe doing hardcore with different websites (e.g. partyhardcore.com ) who never made it up to EBI. Is that, because the girls also use the internet in looking for the best ways in making some money with porn and at the same time going for the offers that allowing them to hide it from their relatives? Here´s an example: Luigina Edited by - STEMCELL on 1/18/2005 7:27:30 AM [Link] |
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| GODFATHER Member Some say 'Make love, not war'.....I say you can do both, if you budget your time 578 Posts 9/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 11:18AM [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 11:57AM It's our policy is to add a babe when we have something original to write about her, but updates have been slower in the second half of last year because of personals stuff and a site upgrade that never happened. I have 800 unread e-mails (even from companies. I didn't reply to Kevin Maklin, now that I think of it). But nothing have been wasted and I'll finally catch up as soon as the new site is ready. Also: finding people you can count on that like computer stuff and $$$ is easy on paper, not in real life. Shameless will solve all our new talent problems, trust me. [Link] |
| rc7394 Senior Member 1109 Posts 8/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 12:18PM Edited by - rc7394 on 1/18/2005 12:21:48 PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 12:21PM I think directors should start looking for girls from Balkan Countries, I think the potential is pretty big. [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 12:52PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 1:34PM [Link] |
| Mienhagen aka Shameless deactivated again Europe 696 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 1:51PM Thanks rc7934 for reminding me about Erik Everhard and Steve Holmes comments. They are two leading directors shooting in Europe for sure. They sure know the situation. For Lance: I am surprised Budapest had only one person dealing with Ukrainian girls. I also thought prostitution was legal in Hungary... But actually I havnt noticed any Ukrainian newcomer for quite a long time, over 2 years I think. Sbando might find time to add some more girls, but all I hear makes me really pessimistic. [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 1:58PM [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 2:02PM Pierre is only committed to his site now (I hope it's worth the wait), as far as I know (check the Machomedia Forum). Private's crisis also contributed to the "draught". "I also thought prostitution was legal in Hungary" What??? Edited by - Sbando Boy on 1/18/2005 2:04:56 PM [Link] |
| cancel Member LA 188 Posts 9/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 2:16PM If they are all like the girl I went out with on Sunday, then we need more. She was sexy and fun and cool as hell. With a body that is a copy of Sylvia Saint!! And I did not have to travel to Europe because she lives right here in New York near me!!!! :) lANCE cUMMING [Link] |
| Mienhagen aka Shameless deactivated again Europe 696 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 2:27PM The more I feel really angry that they would exactly hit the only one bringing Ukrainian girls into Hunagry and into porn. That's just too bad, really! Sbando, you mean because of Privates crisis no money has been invested in recruiting in Woodmans old talent pools east of Hungary's borders. Do I get this right? - now there is probabely no model agency infrastructure out there, yes? What a terrible situation for European made porn! [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 2:34PM [Link] |
| cancel Member LA 188 Posts 9/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 3:03PM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 3:07PM [Link] |
| rc7394 Senior Member 1109 Posts 8/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 3:31PM This from the thread I quoted earlier: I find it hard to believe that a plane tx from LA-Prague costs that much.[Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 3:33PM [Link] |
| Sbando Boy Euro Babe Magnet 1839 Posts 6/01 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 3:56PM Private's crisis is/was a financial one in the first place but also creative, and big time! [Link] |
| Gapelover Senior Member Master of Gapes 1933 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 6:00PM [Link] |
| nwnzocker Member 67 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 7:07PM What i like about Eurogirls is that they are beautiful and haven't done like 300 scenes already. If any of those series would have gone on to shoot relatively new Eurogirls that i didn't have seen so many scenes of i probably would have bought also the latest parts. So what they save on the production costs they might lose on the selling profits. Edited by - nwnzocker on 1/18/2005 7:34:47 PM [Link] |
| 2HOT2HANDLE Member 437 Posts 11/04 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 7:55PM Another point to take into account is that many girls don't want to be big porn stars, but just to make money doing a few movies, without their family/friends knowing it.That was possible a few years ago, as only 1% of the movies they star in were released in their country.But nowadays, things seems to have changed, and it's like more and more of their movies is available in adult stores in Hungary some months after they are shot, so it might make them more reluctant to try the "porn adventure". [Link] |
| Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 18 2005 : 11:46PM [Link] |
| Mienhagen aka Shameless deactivated again Europe 696 Posts 6/04 | Posted - Jan 19 2005 : 6:52PM The solution needs to be found in Europe itself I am afraid! [Link] |
| Erik_Everhard Member 246 Posts 1/02 | Posted - Jan 19 2005 : 7:50PM [Link] |
| eduardo911 Senior Member 1299 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Jan 19 2005 : 8:00PM [Link] |
| Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 19 2005 : 10:41PM I'm not questioning that there are restrictions, and I imagine it's even more difficult post 9/11, but there seem to be loopholes as well. Given the proper financial motivation, I'm sure more girls would find a way to get through the process. Or, maybe not. [Link] |
| Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 19 2005 : 10:53PM Question for Erik or anyone else that might know the answer: Since girls in Prague and Budapest are now getting paid on a par with, or close to, what girls in LA are making (or at least that's what I've read), are more western european girls going to eastern europe to shoot porn? [Link] |
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