How exactly has porn jumped the shark? Porn is now sort of everywhere on the net but you don't have retail stores selling movies/magazines and where are all the thousands of video stores that used to make their living from renting porn? Where are all the profitable porn studios churning out dozens of titles each month? Heck where are all the porn studios? There is a saturation of old porn on all those tube sites but each year that porn is getting older and since we have already established that few people still make new porn than it's going to keep getting older. Is it possible that some performers discover religion while doing porn than the answer may be yes but ask yourself something. If you were a woman working in the industry and your manager called you for the third time this month telling you that he had found you an amazing gig. A four guy gang bang where you will only be expected to take their dick in every one of your orifices for about 2 hours but where he got the producer to chip in a few more dollars and you'll get 1700$ instead of the 1500$ they were offering. Now imagine this is your third gang bang since you have ben in the industry and you have only been in for less than a year. Wouldn't you grasp at anything to get you out of there?
Interesting... No - not really. I would say there's a lack of closure, that's all. That's why you get the "whatever happened to..." type of stuff. Which, btw, you also get in the mainstream. Here's a thought that i came upon on a different website when I was searching for some info on Nicole Ray: "...if you choose a profession in the public eye, let them know when you’re leaving. Doesn’t matter if you’re a pornstar, actor, or a musician. If you’re moving on, you got to let someone know, otherwise fans will send themselves on wild goose chases trying to find out what you’ve been up to lately." With permission from the moderator's, here's the link if anyone wants to check it out: [mod edit: link removed. sorry but just that one article alone contains a few pirated tube site vids] Now before anyone pipes up to say "its the ladies' prerogative to say anything about why or when she's leaving"; yes, of couse it is. This is just a modest (and well-considered, actually) piece of advice. Edited by - killbillvol69 on 7/4/2014 12:07:12 PM
Guess you guys haven't heard about this UCLA study report. Look at some of the conclusions at the end. Performers saying they've gotten stds, been forced to do acts they didn't want to do, been hurt during a scene, not getting paid, etc. That should be some reason to pause. I like porn and that's why I'm here, but stuff like this isn't going to help bring or keep more girls into the business.
^Taken from the study linked above: One in four adult film performers (24%) participating in the study reported an infection of gonorrhea or chlamydia, two serious, but treatable sexually transmitted diseases, while working in the industry - confirming the high STD risk facing adult film performers at work. Starting with the fact that one in four is 25%, not 24%, this report raises more questions than it answers. Out of 366 performers, 23.7% tested positive for gonorrhea and/or chlamydia. - Gah! Now one in four is 23.7%! Either your statistician is an idiot or your lead writer is making him look like one. Not an impressive beginning. Questions > In order to put this figure into context, whatever the hell it really is, how does it compare with the general population? How does it compare with other groups considered by the CDC to be high-risk? How did the authors of this study determine these diseases were work related? 69.0% never used a condom on set in the past 30 days. - Question > What does this fact actually prove. Obviously, we might infer an elevated risk, but aren't you supposed to be offering proof? 15.4% have had to perform sexual favors to get work. - This is terrible, but it is also in line with sexual harassment reported in the general workforce. So, it really doesn't tell us about anything unique to the industry. 10.3% have been physically hurt during a film shoot. - Questions > What is this fact supposed to tell us about STD transmission? If we are supposed to infer an indifference to safety on the part of porn producers, then how does 10.3% compare to other physically demanding jobs? 13.6% have had to perform a sex act they did not want to. - Question > What, exactly does this mean? Did they have to do it because the director threatened them? Did they have to do it because they needed the money to pay bills? I think most of us have gone to work on more than one occasion when we really did not want to. 16.4% have not been paid at the end of the job. - Question > How does this compare with other professions, like plumbers, for example? How else are we supposed to know what it means if there's no context? 33.2% have used a drug in the past three months. - Well, since it doesn't say what kind of drug, I have no idea what this is supposed to tell me. Aspirin is a drug, after all.
-Question > Why do you adamantly defend the industry? If some of these are true I would think any decent person would be against them. For the record I am not against the porn industry (I purchase and view porn after all) and I do agree with you on the points regarding drugs, not being paid at the end of a job, and having to perform a sex act they did not want to. That said, I doubt 15.4% of non-porn workers have had to perform a sexual favor to get work, that's just wrong.
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^^ And comparing "having to perform sexual favors to get work" with sexual harassment makes no sense, those are two different things. A guy telling a girl you have a nice butt or making a crude sexual comment can't be compared to the former.
Then you should expand your knowledge and research the history of sexual harassment, or 'sexual favors' as it used to be known, in the workplace. While the practice may have been more widespread in the entertainment industry it was never confined to it. The first question you have to ask, though, is what professions could women find work in? It isn't much good saying women weren't harassed in some field when they couldn't find work in that field to begin with. While you're at it, consider the fact that lack of opportunity to earn an independent income forced many women into marriage. How would you like to be fitted for that shoe? In reply to your question, "Why do you adamantly defend the industry? If some of these are true I would think any decent person would be against them." I suggest that you get back to me after you've got the horse and the cart sorted. A basic tenet of the American justice system is "Innocent Until Proven Guilty," and I will remain happily adamant in its defense. So, while the accusations are a cause for concern, they require proof before I go charging the ramparts of the evil Fort Pornography. Edited by - hardware on 7/6/2014 12:28:21 AM
Brooke Van Buuren. There's another cum and gone starlet. Hung around for about a year and maybe (20) or so scenes and vanished. Wonder what happened to her...? Getting back to the Nicole Ray thing, I get no news or confirmation when I search for this. How was this info come upon? I had the impression she had a thing with male star Kris Slater - a frequent partner in scenes.
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Posted - Jul 6 2014 : 3:00PM
Does anybody know what happened with Lanny Barbie?? And is Audrey Hollander still just doing things for Kink.com?? Or is she also shOoting porn again?
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Posted - Jul 6 2014 : 3:54PM
Yep, I've wondered why some of my favorite performers have left the business, and the first thing I thought of is that they just wanted to do something else. Some of them announced their leaving to fans, which was a nice gesture, some of them didn't. I never thought they owed me an explanation. There isn't as much money or as many jobs in the adult industry as there once was, People aren't paying for porn and it's hurting everyone -- producers and performers, There's less work, less money, and less of an incentive to stay. These days you'd have to work like a maniac to get anywhere close to rich. A few performers have done really well, but I imagine most people who leave early either didn't like their odds of long-term success as performers or already had something else in mind for their lives.
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Posted - Jul 6 2014 : 8:58PM
I call BS on this. How were they "forced" into marriage? This isn't Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. On top of that, what exactly is so horrible about staying at home taking care of children while your husband works every day and pays for everything? Sounds like a fair deal as long as the husband isn't abusive or anything like that. Hell you could even argue the woman has a better deal overall.
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^ Well, it'd still be nice for women to be able make that choice instead of you making it for them. Are you honestly saying they've had that choice this entire time, or are you just taking it for granted that things have always been the way they are now (which is by no means perfect... but that's a whole other debate)? And before you cry and boo-hoo about never having been able to make life choices for another person (who wants to do this, anyway?), that doesn't mean it hasn't been prevalent throughout history. Edited by - Boogie With Stu on 7/6/2014 11:28:23 PM
Sorry, but BS declined to take your call. Coercion need not be so direct. Despite what the more flowery English verse might have led you to believe, women do not live on sunshine and kittens. They need to support themselves or enlist the support of others. So, what do you need in order to support yourself? Money. How does one acquire this money? Well, you can inherit it, if you're lucky. You can steal it. Or, you can extort it. You can beg for it or you can trade for it. Is the light beginning to dawn? No? Well, that's a crying shame. See, if you want to trade your labor for money then you need to find somebody who has that money and who is willing to accept your labor in trade. So, what happens when society says it is improper for women to labor in this field? You can't work in that field, either; nor this one, nor that one, nor even that one. Sorry, that's no good. Not that one. Not there. Women need not apply. Men's work only, dear, but I'm sure you'll find something, eventually. And if there is no 'proper' work to be had then you must find a husband, or starve in genteel poverty. Not floundering around in the dark anymore, are we?
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What you wrote still doesn't make sense as hard as you tried. All a woman had to do in the 50s and 60s if she couldn't get work was find a good guy to provide for her. What is so awful about a man paying for everything and taking care of you? Yes in return you may have to do housework and take care of the kids, but maybe your husband has to slave away at a job he doesn't like every day, it's not like women are the ONLY victims in society (which is what people like you would have us believe).
I don't think Vegas is going to give you odds that you know what is good for women better than they do, Cloudburst. The idea that every woman wants some man to pay for everything requires such an ignorance of human nature that it is, frankly, appalling. Oh, sure, I can understand how you might come to such a belief if you think all you need to know about life you can learn from television commercials, but those of us who study actual human beings have come to a far different conclusion. {typo} Edited by - hardware on 7/7/2014 12:58:31 AM
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Again, what you say doesn't really add up to the reality of our current society. A survey from a few years ago showed that 58% of women still expect a guy to pay on a first date. I must ask you where are all these women out there who don't expect men to pay for stuff and put them on a pedestal in one way or another in a relationship? How many women want to truly be equal in a relationship and not manipulate men or use their female privilege against them in one way or another? Unfortunately even in 2014 I believe a very small percent of women in society truly treat men fairly and don't apply double-standards and all kinds of crap to them. If you can prove me wrong then explain where you think I'm incorrect on this issue. Edited by - Cloudburst on 7/7/2014 3:02:08 AM
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Posted - Jul 7 2014 : 7:44AM
^^Some folks here operating under an old set of ideas. This ain't the 1950s. There is a wealth of statistics on working mothers and single parent families. The old ideas about women wanting men to take care of them (ideas, by the way, usually held and pushed by men), just don't seem to apply. The reasons are pretty obvious: the burgeoning divorce rate, which leads to single-parent families with women at the head, and the fact that in two-parent families, a woman's income is vital to keep things going. The demand for child care is greater than ever, Why do you think there's been a national fight for better child care in the workplace, for a evolved rules on maternity (and paternity) leave, and for equal pay for equal work? National Association of Child Care Referral Agencies: http://www.naccrra.org/sites/default/files/default_site_pages/2012/ccgb_mothers_workforce_jan2012.pdf Bureau of Labor Statiistics as of 2010: http://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/Qf-laborforce-10.htm Stay at home mothers are not in some trade-off with their husbands. For the most part, they make the decision because they have children and want to be there for them through the first few years of school. Stay-at-home-mothers have... a... full-time... job. They take care of the kids, maintain the home, do the shopping, make most of the major purchasing decisions in the home, and often are the parent most active in school and recreational activities. From some of the comments I've read, it sounds as if the belief is these women are trading staying at home for not working. In fact, they're sacrificing a paid career for raising a family -- an unpaid full-time job. About women paying for dates: I believe that 58% statistic (paying for dates) came from a 2013 NBC News study. http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/08/14/study-men-want-women-to-chip-in-on-dates-but-are-afraid-to-ask/ The NBC study seems to note that men are afraid to ask their dates to split the check. So if you haven't done it, you're a chump for not asking. That study also mentions that 4 in 10 men and women said that dating expenses were usually shared within the first month, and nearly three-fourths of men andover 80% of women said they’re shared by the sixth-month mark. Young people these days don't think partnerships are bad things. Edited by - rtj2v0a on 7/7/2014 7:49:03 AM Edited by - rtj2v0a on 7/7/2014 7:50:36 AM
I have/had favourite girls who are no longer active (oh, okay...Layla Jade if we're naming names - though she's not the only one). I always assume it's due to settling down - in which case, I wish them well but I don't need to know the details. I get jealous enough as it is, seeing attractive chicks in public with their boyfriends/husbands.
I'm not operating under a set of ideas born in the 1950's. I'm mining past human behavior because, as the Bard said, past is prologue. Human behavior does change, but it doesn't change as much as we'd like to think that it does, and when it does change it isn't always in the same direction.
Women act in porn mainly for the money. Actually their hearts and minds are not really in performing sex acts with random men before the camera. So why "Ever Wonder Why a Star/Starlet Left Porn?".
At the risk of being accused of dragging traffic to the Kink Williams blog, I came across an old Midnight Blue episode where the late Al Goldstein interviewed Annette Haven. Time frame appears to be the early 80's - around the time Annette was wrapping it up - she's sporting a short hairstyle that I don't remember from any of her films. Pretty interesting stuff...so i re-posted. In any case, although Annette speaks more to the "golden age" she's certainly an authority. Some of her comments surprised me a bit - the phrase "for the love" comes up, in one sequence, as she tries to shed some light on the female perspective. Submitted for your consideration, the link is below: Al Goldstein interviews Annette Haven Edited by - KinkWilliams on 9/1/2014 11:22:07 PM
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Apologies...I just got back to this thread. With my duties and scholarly study of Vicki Chase's oeuvre I can't always check back on threads in a timely manner. Hardware you were great, but I loved your line about BS declining the call. That was a good one and I hope I'm fast enough on my feet to use that one if I ever get the opportunity
Last year, Sex.com and Mr. Pink's Blog wrote articles about her whereabouts. Someone posted in the comments section that they were friend's of Nicole and she is taking care of her kid. Take it for what it's worth. I remember about a year after she vanished there was a twitter account where she was talking about attending an awards show and that she may be coming back shortly. Nothing ever came out of it and for all i know it may have been one of those fake accounts. As for Brooke, someone from Voodoo Media three years ago posted in her thread that the door isn't closed for a return but it's unlikely she'll return. She said "I loved the work but the hassles you have to deal with to find the work are ridiculous". The one that annoys me was Nikki Nine. She was super cute and Hustler booted her off of their roster because she got a new tattoo. She never did another scene afterwards. Such a bummer. Edited by - hell paso on 12/1/2014 12:55:54 AM
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Posted - Dec 1 2014 : 1:05AM
She got pregnant and had atleast one child,that not only happen to her.
If u see your hot pornstar not doing porn for quite a long time , then she is probably escorting or stripping !! She has returned to her hometown to do a normal job !! She may have gone back to university or college to earn a degree !! Many have done it before !! She met a rich guy in L.A and has married him !! Lichelle marie . She has invested her money for a good company earning dividends , share profits etc Most of the time girls who come from other states find it difficult to live in L.A !! that lifestyle !! But some girls who wish to stay in L.A and still wants that bling blig life , then they are probably escorting or stripping when shes not doing porn !! Did you know that California is second-most expensive state for rents in America !!