^ My guess is that DP isn't as popular as it used to be. Film producers need to pay attention to what people are buying and adjust their movie-making accordingly. And the reason why people's tastes in porn might be changing is because anal sex for the ladies has improved so much, compared to DPs. Hard-and-fast and all the way to their balls guys are now nailing the asses of their sexy girls. But DP often remains as slow and rigid as it used to be. The biggest problem with a DP is that it cannot be as fluid and dynamic as a 1 on 1 encounter often is. The two guys and their lady all need to stay in exactly the same positions to keep their DP going. Or else either one guy or the other will slip out of the lady's pussy or ass. But in a 1 on 1 anal, the lady and her guy can quickly shift and change their positions on the fly, without even him leaving her ass, or him going back inside her ass so quickly that it's fun to watch. I think DPs still have their place in porn. But DPs need to be done in a different way to make them more fluid, dynamic. The initial DP penetration is the most fluid and dynamic part of a DP. And this is what film-makers need to focus on. The hottest part of a DP for me is when the lady cowgirls one guy with her pussy, and the second guy comes at her ass from behind to make it a DP. This is only a short moment in most DP scenes. But this short moment can be repeated many times. You can have a 3 on 2 scene, where two ladies cowgirl two guys with their pussies, and the third guy goes from ass-to-ass on the ladies to make it a lot of quick DPs for both of them. And if these cowgirl lasses start gaping their asses, then this would be an added bonus. Because you don't often get to see cowgirl-pussy-ladies gape their nice asses wide open. A cowgirl-pussy-ride shot from behind is one of the best ways to show off any lady's nice ass. The only problem with his picture is that it's not anal enough. You need a second guy to make it anal for the-lady. But you don't want him to cover up her ass for too long either. And this you can accomplish by getting the lady's ass-guy work her nice ass only part-time and not full-time. His aim should be to gape the lady's nice ass and show it off to the viewer, while the second guy bangs her pussy from below, cowgirl style. This lady's anal gape will change its shape as a result of her pussy-guy banging her pussy from below. It will make her anal gaping a lot more fluid and dynamic and lot more interesting to watch than the usual rigid, frozen gapes, where all sex-action seems to stop.
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I enjoy watching DP so much, but Ive actually bought fewer vids this year, due to less DP, but I am happy to see more DV out there, tanks Adriana Chechik!
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Ronald, I think Dan is partially right. Dan is watching Porn for many years so there is always something interesting to say. However, I believe that there are many shades of your notation he didn't mention. The "problem" is not in Evil Angel but in many other companies as well, which they used to shoot a lot more often DP scenes than they do now. The last years there was a very significant financial break down to many countries around the globe. This in conjunction with the boom of software piracy and the appearance of free tubes lead the adult producers to reconsider many things and to be more reserved with their investments. Many adult companies closed, especially European, others changed their orientation etc etc... Let's be cynical. A DP scene costs. It costs a lot more than a simple one on one anal scene for the producer. And that is the main problem in my opinion. Simple. There are many things that run a director's mind whenever he is thinking of choosing weather he will shoot a DP scene or not. I very much agree on what Dan is referring to on fluidity and dynamism advantage of a simple anal scene over a DP one. Speaking in general that means the positions are a lot easier to setup, execute and capture in 1-1 scenes. The directors now are a lot more cautious than they used to be. They prefer to choose the safer, simpler and standard route than taking any additional directional risks. And this has very important implications in many different aspects of adult videography, especially in actions that evolve many persons and positions which demand sophisticated directing techniques and know-how. Putting it in simple terms, most of the directors now, they don't want to spent brain power or any additional shooting or even editing time on more complicated pornographic activities. Many of them prefer to give a few initial instructions and then leave the protagonists to make their own "game". Of course there are exceptions (mostly come from directors who have already significant directing experience), but this is the general sense that is derived from the modern adult industry. Another important element I would add is the chemistry (intimacy, passion, eroticism, playful attitude) factor between the actors. It is easy to understand that the chemistry between a woman and a man works a lot better than between a woman and two men (of course no need to mention for more than 2 men). Yet, the most important thing is that in 1 on 1 positions the woman's body is exposed a lot better if there is no other man to cover it, especially when the woman has curvy attire. So infiltrating the director's mind you ll find a standard dilemma. Does it worthy to spend more bucks to go the extra mile, putting two male bodies in the screen and pay for a DP? Will the adult spectators give priority to beauty, chemistry and eroticism over the extreme hardcore nature of DP? Should I allow the girl's sexual personality to be diminished by the male dominant presence for the sake of the double penetration fulfillment? What I will win and what I will lose? In my opinion, yes it is worthy. For at least one scene in the title it does. First of all, you will win many DP fans. But I will not talk about them, I will talk about those general porn fans who are a bit picky on what they watch. Well, you don't have to lose much if you know how to shoot a DP properly. There are ways to expose the girl's beauty and sexual personality, to preserve the eroticism as well as the chemistry and still bring all the intensiveness, heat and excitement of the DP event. Now even fluidity can be accomplished ... it does need though some brain power. The question is do you know these ways my friend adult director? Keep also in mind that like all other sexual actions there are a lot of flavors and preferences in DP as well. There are of course ways to satisfy most of them. Do you know these ways too, my friend adult director? So when Dan speaks about DP losing its popularity, which is a fact (I know many people who lost interest in DPs), my personal opinion is that there are very serious deficiencies and reasons for this. There are specific things that general adult spectators used to see before in a DP scene and now they are very rear to find. And I am shouting for years about them... but a few things really changed. PS1. I agree about Dan's comment on initial double penetration shot. It is quite precious, not only in cowgirl mode but in all positions and in all actions, vaginal, anal or DPs. PS2. About anal gapes J.Y.Lecastel type, I am not a expert of the specific act so I don't have a clear opinion, but about cowgirl DPs I definitely know that they are pretty dominant in the industry right now. Every directors spends a lot of time on them and there is a significant improvement I would dare to say. The problem lies on every other position which are totally underrated, overshadowed, and covered in crappy way.
I think the two main reasons why we see less DP's today is one because women are less inclined to do them due to their increase health risk. Anal is already a more dangerous thing than vaginal but a DP increases the danger to a new level. The risk of doing some serious damage to your anal cavity or even your vaginal one is significantly higher with a DP. That can mean long term health issues but the short term problem is that a girl cannot performer during her recuperation time and that is money that could have been in her pocket. Her bills won't stop coming while she isn't working and she may be twice cautious in doing more extreme stuff in the future. The other reason is money. The profit to cost ratio for studios today is so low that doing the more expensive DP is almost not worth it. I mean if a studio knows that they can make money shooting a standard B/G anal and people will still join their site or buy the movie than why would they pay a much higher amount of money for a similar scene that has a DP as well as an anal scene in it. The other aspect to consider when looking at the cost to profit ratio is on the part of the performer. A DP is going to earn her a lot more money but how much more is debatable. We all know that the studio will try to pay the least amount possible so although the performer will make more money on a DP. Will she get 2000$ to 2600$ as opposed to the more common 1000$ to 1300$ (I'm using Kink posted rates) for a standard B/G anal? Is it really worth it for a performer to do a DP scene for 2600$ knowing that she may hurt herself and lose out on three possible anal scenes that she could have done for as much as 1300$ a piece?
^ According to the Cosmopolitan.com website, your idea that anal sex is especially dangerous and unhealthy is a myth. Because any kind of sex can be risky and dangerous if you do it the wrong way. Some people might also take your portrayal of anal sex as prejudice against homosexuals. Because your kind of reasoning about anal sex has led to prejudice against homosexuals in the past. The only reason why anal sex might lead to injury more often than vaginal sex is that many people are less experienced with anal sex than with vaginal. Which means that they are more likely to make mistakes with anal sex and do it the wrong way.
Edited by - Dan on 9/28/2014 9:37:27 AM
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Well, pat I will agree in most parts of your statement. About money it is common sense. About health risk increase it is partially true. They were indeed some "accidents" that recorded in the past during a DP scene where the guys didn't pay the attention they should and created problems to the girls cavities. Vicky Vette (a busty blonde Scandinavian milf that now is retired) still accuses John Strong for such an accident which happened during a DP several years ago. In addition in some DP scenes there is extended rough treatment of the female starlet. Some of the last ones were definitely not ready for that abuse they suffered and lead them to early retirement. Jessie Rogers was a recent example and a big loss from the industry. Being a porn actress is not always an easy profession. Besides the "filthy" reputation and the social stigma that the actress will have to face, as well as the constant pressure to perform well, even in sexual activities that she doesn't herself like, having sex in front of the camera with people you don't know, has a lot of risks and dangers. STDs is a common problem in unprotected sexual scenes and careless and uncontrollable roughness can lead to injuries even with simple vaginal penetration. I also agree that going from single penetration to double penetration might scare the rookie actress a bit, but since she gets to used to it, (after a good preparation of course) she will probably like it. Especially if the guys support her and make her feel comfortable with it. Ok, I am not talking about monster dick DP, but in regular pornographic dick sizes, a DP, if it is performed well, can be quite pleasureful for the ladies. Besides there are many many starlets who had officially declared in the past that they preferred more DPs than simple anal. So, I don't think that a pornstar who has done a proper DP before, will refuse to do it again.. even with less money. For me, the problem is the atmosphere and the first impression. If someone tells an inexperienced girl (who hasn't done many DPs before) to take part in a gang bang with a dozen males who will have misogynistic behavior and will treat her like a rag doll and expect from her to do it with less money then he is mistaken. I wouldn't even surprised if after that scene she would stop doing DPs at all. Now, if you arrange a couple of "good" guys to accompany her in the scene, guys who know who to make her feel desirable, then she will do it gladly even with a discount. If they guys are also passionate and intimate with her then the girl will even think of doing DPs a lot more often.
my opinion you are right and wrong at the same time. The other reason is money. The profit to cost ratio for studios today is so low that doing the more expensive DP is almost not worth it. I mean if a studio knows that they can make money shooting a standard B/G anal and people will still join their site or buy the movie than why would they pay a much higher amount of money for a similar scene that has a DP as well as an anal scene in it. The other aspect to consider when looking at the cost to profit ratio is on the part of the performer. A DP is going to earn her a lot more money but how much more is debatable. We all know that the studio will try to pay the least amount possible so although the performer will make more money on a DP. Will she get 2000$ to 2600$ as opposed to the more common 1000$ to 1300$ (I'm using Kink posted rates) for a standard B/G anal? Is it really worth it for a performer to do a DP scene for 2600$ knowing that she may hurt herself and lose out on three possible anal scenes that she could have done for as much as 1300$ a piece?
No offense Dan but if you are getting your health information from Cosmo than you are in deep trouble. Cosmo is a fashion magazine and nothing else. They may have other stuff in it but that is filler and any information offered within it's pages should be taken with a gigantic grain of salt. You want proper health information than go to health based websites. If you do that than you will see that anal sex is significantly more dangerous than vaginal and by default a DP is that much worse than anal. Edited by - pat362 on 9/28/2014 8:06:34 PM
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^ sorry folks I forgot to rearrange some of pat362 sayings in his quote. ... [o\|]
I don't want to burst your bubble but the vast majority of women do not enjoy the sex they perform in porn. They just pretend to so for the sake of the fantasy. That's not to say that some women haven't enjoyed their porn shoot but they are in the minority. I also want to add that no matter how many dicks a girl has taken in her ass. It will never prepare her for taking one in the ass and one in the pussy. All it does is make her aware of how much she can take up the ass without screaming in pain. I don't know if you know who Ed Powers is but the man had a small penis (porn wise). I suspect that his penis is your average normal guy penis. I say this because if you have saw some of the anal scenes he shot. It wasn't uncommon to see a girl in a certain degree of discomfort. Now imagine a girl taking a dick that is twice Ed's size up her ass and you realise that some women are just better at faking than others.
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You don't burst my bubble at all pat. I agree 100% at your statement about faking. In fact I find most of the interviews some starlets make in the end of a rough abusive sex scene completely ridiculous. It is very obvious it is a part of the "acting". The problem is and that is very dangerous that there are many immature people among the adult audience that believe them. There are many activities that become somehow trendy in porn that if they are executed in real life by men to their female partners they have many possibilities to remain with their dicks in their hands. Btw, I know Ed Powers and his long lasting Dirty Debutantes series, Max Hardcore and his own anal series, Pierre Woodman and his castings and many many others. Pat... I never generally attempted to mix my personal sexual life (and Thanks God I had some) with porn, though there were a couple of tricks I learned by watching it. . In other words there are some things I like to see in adult movies but for many reasons I would never apply them in my bed. There also others that I would like to apply but are not so easy to. Anal. I won't lie to you pat, I also like to stick my cock in a pretty girl's tight asshole. It is not only about the feeling itself but also about the thought I am violating my girl's most defended fortress. It took me some time to convince, to prepare and "efficiently" execute it but I have done it in almost all of my "long" (ok some of them were not so long) time relations. Most of them they were not willing to accept it but they did it in order to please me. Yet, there was a couple of exceptions. One of them she got adjusted and we started doing it more often, until one day I lost control and the doctor said to me to stop it otherwise I would cause her serious problems. But there was another girl in my life who was already "trained". That was back in university. We had anal sex almost from our first dates. In fact she proposed it. She was my mentor to anal sex... This was when I realized that anal sex is a lot more common act in couple's life than I initially thought. Anyway, today I am a lot more cautious, caring and not so "pushy" on anal. I use my finger a lot and she likes it, even if it makes her feel a bit "dirty", if you know what I mean. And from time to time, after a lot of sexual persuasion, my baby let me have the keys of her backdoor entrance too. . What can I say man, that little dot looks so damn alluring when I take her pussy in doggy. DP. I would NEVER even dare to think about sharing my girl with another man. I feel even uncomfortable of thinking that gynecologist is a man and sticks that ultrasound probe in my girl's vagina. However, I have to admit to you that I have witnessed many sexual "extremities" progressing in front of my very eyes, many of them could easily be scenes from a DP themed movie. Now how and when this happen is another story. Now, I can put my hand in fire and responsibly state to you that there is a standard way to make a woman cum hard while in DP. Even when a woman is not so comfortable with just anal. And even from the very first strokes. If you know how to do it, you can even test it with your own fingers, pat. And if you don't believe a man then ask a dyke. Yes you heard me, a lesbian. They know the female body better and all the tricks around it. Yes it sounds strange. I don't know if it is mental or no but it is a fact. Maybe knowing this it is one of the reasons that made me to like watching it in Porn. Pussy. It is not relative to the topic but I have to mention it in order to avoid misunderstandings. I think that a woman's pussy is the most beautiful thing in the world. When a beautiful woman opens her legs wide and exposes that pink fleshy slit of her. Holly... I can't think of anything else than a proper way to fill it. To pound it to completion, till it stretched out. In real life I want to be me. In porn, an avatar, an extension of me. Yes pat, above anything else in porn i like to see those tender lower lips literally "sucking" a thick fat cock. And believe me even if it sounds weird this is another reason why i like DPs. Remember what Dan said about anal gapes and DP.. well we will converge in the same result but from a different point of view. Now imagine that you have a striking pretty woman with perfect body and juicy analogies. One of the best ways to expose her natural gifts is a nice reverse cowgirl pose. Now being in the same pose, if you exercise pressure to her anal cavity from below, that is when a dick enters her ass, that pussy of hers opens up like a newly sprung tulip. And it looks so damn inviting and provocative that I can't be sated till I see another eager rigid dick shielding it to the brim. You have to fill it. It is shouting at you. Ball's deep. There it goes...
This Cosmopolitan.com article quotes women who are very experienced with having anal sex. Which makes them credible in what they say. But you don't give any references for your assertions about the unhealthiness of anal sex at all. Which means that you are claiming to be a health authority on this issue. And your authority on this issue is a little hard to believe. Because there is no evidence that you are a health expert on anal sex. Edited by - Dan on 9/30/2014 6:48:56 AM
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so the real reason is money? is the 1-2 thousand $ difference n cost for a scene enough to make it financially impossible, are the margins on Porn productions rally that slim?
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My dear misspornusa... I really think you are a smart and interesting person and stimulating for any adult discussion, but in this case with all due respect you are carried away by your passion. Don't worry, you are not the only, we, adult spectators, are all in some certain level, carried away by our preferences in porn and try to affect in any way we can the route of the industry in order to show more scenes of our likes. This post you are referring about, by Jessie Rogers was made 3 years ago. If you find her today and talk with her in person, she will tell you completely different things. Yes, you will find many similar posts made by several porn starlets even in this site. Some of them they will even swear and strongly support that they like to be treated like meat holes. Do not forget, that all these ladies are professionals and they want to expose and advertise their work in order to gain more money, to make more contracts and of course to please those adult spectators who are thirsty for more and more rough and pervasive sex. Professional Porn is most of all a show that run by actors, who are in turn are trying to please customers (viewers). So people do not by any mean confuse extreme porn with reality. Because if you attempt to behave to a woman in the way they do for example in extreme rough scenes, staying alone with your hand, would be the least that could happen to you. You will probably end up in jail experiencing in person what the woman suffered from you.
However, because I always support that everything in life is not black or white, more likely there are many shades of grey, I believe there are women who like this kind of treatment. Actually I don't only believe I know there are because I met some myself.
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Well Ronald money it is again the most important thing. And yes my friend in some cases the margins are slimmer. The other is the environment. Imagine yourself searching for a work and you had two options, to go to an office where you know that everyone would be hostile to you and they would treat you with disrespect or going to another office where you knew already that the colleagues will be friendly and respectful and try to please you in any way they can. Now, if you are desperate for money then you will go everywhere as long as they pay you. But you will demand to be paid for your hard work. Then again, if you aren't that desperate you could even agree to get a little bit less in order to have the best conditions in your work. This is how the starlets also think when they have to choose a sex scene. The third thing is if it is worthy. Well you may want to create a line with "arm pit job" and invest a significant amount of money on scenes which will portray this thing. The question is is there any market to absorb this kind of request? Maybe there are but are they enough to fund your experiment? Finally, DP is a sexual activity that can be very pleasureful to a woman as long as it is done in the proper way and under the right atmosphere. By the way
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^^Jessie actively solicited rough treatment in the scenes that she was in. All longtime viewers of porn have seen numerous performers merely endure rough sex. I can't even begin to count how many such scenes I've seen over the years. That was not what Jessie did during her scenes. We are talking about a young woman who randomly began slapping and choking herself even during a Brazzers Live shoot that was not rough. I have no reason to doubt that her PSP scene occurred as she described, with her actively demanding to be manhandled and urinated on rather than being some sort of a passive victim. As for Jessie Rogers' views today, I am well aware of them, and they strike me as intellectually vapid. From Jessie Rogers:From E.O. Wilson, who has been called "the father of sociobiology:"If Jessie now wants to say that she was an innocent little girl cruelly victimized by all of the big bad men around her, that is her choice. She can write a new narrative to fit her new, anti-porn, anti-intellectual persona if she wants to, but I'm not going to take her very seriously.
^ On the other hand, I wasn't taking her very seriously back then. Pretty much all the pre-scene interviews I saw early in her career (pre-boobjob times) that offered a glimpse at the real Jessie Rogers - or at least a depiction of the real Jessie Rogers she felt like presenting - she came across as an utterly naive (though admittedly somewhat charismatic) girl to me. I'm willing to believe that she indeed enjoyed the rough scenes at the time, but I have little doubt that she got in way over her head with the porn business, and her 180 degree post-career turn didn't particularly surprise me. It's quite possible to make bad decisions, and only realize they were bad decisions later on. She may not have been a victim in those scenes, but that doesn't mean she has to forever proclaim doing those scenes was a good idea. Edited by - shalalin on 10/1/2014 4:35:41 PM
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^I agree. Ultimately there's a difference between her regretting her decisions on the one hand and adopting a victim narrative on the other.
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People, extending on Jessie Rogers is off the subject of this topic. Yes I agree too miss about Jessie being too edgy when she said that we have to make sex only for reproductive reasons... She went from one edge to another. But let's try to understand her psychology and don't judge her so easily. Actually she self punishing herself by abstained from something so beautiful like sex and love making. Jessie was definitely not an ignorant and innocent kid when she decided to do what she did... But she is human. And humans make mistakes. She is not the first nor the last of the pornstars who regret about some of their scenes or about some of their decisions. Anyway, what I really wanted to say when I referred to Jessie, was the fact that sometimes the agents, the producers put the starlets to dive in the ocean before knowing even they learn how to swim well. Sometimes even the starlets themselves take this decision based on financial reasons but nobody is there to advise them to be more reserved. In other words, when you take an inexperienced to DPs girl and you put it in a rough double anal gang bang from the very start, you don't know if she will "survive" the procedure. So adult industry people, take it slow and be easy on the DP rookies. Let the starlet have a couple of normal cock sized DPs with "good" male talent, without all this rough treatment, in order to give the appropriate time to her to adjust to the extreme action and then you can proceed to more hard scenarios. The girl will last longer because she will know what she has to face and how she will deal with this. Many other pornstars made rough scenes for Kink and still continue to be active in the industry.. some of them they even return to do more scenes for the same company but the majority of them they have done DPs before. I know adult spectators are demanding and many of them consider Jessie Rogers gb scene one of the best of its kind, however you have to be patient. The starlet has to be trained first. That's the best way to enjoy the girl a lot more time in the industry. In the end this is what you really want, pretty and sexy women like Jessie going the extra mile and doing many intense and exciting DPs . PS. And cut this stupidity with the interviews in the end. It is confusing, dangerous and serves nothing at all. Meanwhile... Explore Sexuality!
I've read this exact same view in a Catholic philosophy book written by people hundreds of years ago, well before modern science became established. I'd say that Jessie Rogers probably has changed her views about sex as a result of becoming more religious, rather than as a result of increased belief in science. Because it's a well known fact in modern medicine and science that having sexual intercourse causes both men and women to produce all kinds of hormones that lead to bonding between people. Sex clearly isn't just for reproduction. It's also for creating and maintaining friendly bonding between people. Love and not war, was the slogan among many young people during the Vietnam War. And they were right of course. Because sexual love and regular satisfaction is one of the ways to decrease the feelings of aggression among people. People always have some kind of feelings. But not all feelings are compatible with each other. Which means that having some feelings excludes other feelings. And that's how it works with love and war. I think that watching porn makes people less aggressive, and this is the social benefit of porn.
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Again we are completely out of the topic but since you put it... I have to say something about it. If there is something like this written in that Catholic philosophy book you are referring about, then it is completely stupid and against what disciples of Christ taught. Despite what many people think (that Christian religion and sex don't go together) in the New Testament there are chapters in which the disciple clearly encourage and promote the frequent copulation between the husband and his wife, in order exactly like you say to strengthen the emotional bond between them. So whoever say that having sex is against religion is ignorant. Now I totally agree the slogan "make love not war" is the most successful slogan in the history of mankind. However it is totally different from the "kill, lute and rape". So when you watch porn... it does matter what kind of porn you see because if the last one is too rough (again don't mix roughness with hardness and intensity) it looks more like raping than making love.
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^^Yes, it sounds very Catholic and since Jessie is Brazilian she might be familiar with the traditional Catholic understanding of sex. I grew up with the same teaching. ^Catholic teaching does not discourage regular sexual activity between married - and only married - couples, as long as the sex is open to procreation, which means no birth control, condoms, IUDs, etc. and also no anal, blowjobs, handjobs or boob jobs unless these acts lead up to vaginal sex. There have been strands of thought in Catholicism that view human sexuality as negative. One can point to Augustine and Jerome in the first millennium, but it's really Jansenism that led to a lot of the anti-sex ideology that was prevalent in Catholicism. John Paul II's Theology of the Body is current church teaching and understands sexuality to be a gift to married couples. Edited by - misspornUSA on 10/2/2014 11:17:46 AM
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^ Well I am a Christian myself and quite religious (in the sense that I do believe in God, in Christ and what is written in the New Testament) . However, without condemn the entire constitution, I have my own arguments about some of the church's social views, especially when it has to do with sexual relationships. First of all, I am vertical against priests virginity. They supposed to be the righteous advice givers in all matters of people's life, but If they don't know how is the marital life in which experience they will be based on to advise their ...flock. What do they know about blowjobs, boob jobs ... (hmmm... I have to admit I missed it lately) or any other sexual practice. Gee miss you see what you are doing... Some people here are a discussing temptation ... I have a project to run, I have a few posts to make that I promised, I want to open up a new topic and still I am here posting to you for a total irrelevant with the topic subject because everything you say is an entirely new and interesting subject. PS. I dunno for how much longer we are gonna test the moderator patience..
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^It's natural for the thread to evolve now that the OP's question has already been answered, though I am keeping in mind that the mods may not approve.
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. In other words there are some things I like to see in adult movies but for many reasons I would never apply them in my bed. There also others that I would like to apply but are not so easy to. 
. What can I say man, that little dot looks so damn alluring when I take her pussy in doggy.