Fans Too Aggressive With Talent at AEE??? (page 3)

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Mr.XXX Member 41 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 15 2005 : 5:18AM If your squeemish about fans merely groping you, don't take pictures with them. [Link]
Julia Ann Member 279 Posts 10/04	Posted - May 15 2005 : 5:28AM Let's not make it something it's not. If you take this entire subject from the beginning you'll see that it had to do with more than mere groping. I've always been very fan friendly and everyone that has met me knows that, but we were talking about a large crowd energy. Let's stay on track. Besides don't you think the AEE subject has been ground to death. I was explaining my generalizing the crowd, nothing more. [Link]
Mr.XXX Member 41 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 15 2005 : 5:44AM Understood. I'ts been my experience that either sending personnel to walk the line or announcements over a PA system will greatly alleviate any problems of this threads kind. As long as there no alchohol envolved. [Link]
Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00	Posted - May 15 2005 : 10:34AM Mr.XXX wrote: If your squeemish about fans merely groping you, don't take pictures with them. Click to expand That has to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever read. That's right up there with "If you don't want to be raped, don't do anything to make youself look attractive". [Link]

Voyeur32 Member 913 Posts 11/00	Posted - May 15 2005 : 11:19AM Point taken Julia Ann. As you noticed I did say I agreed with most of what you said and I also stated I didn't have the answers either. Just that one thing kind of stuck in my craw. I just took it as maybe a little condescending. Kind of more like a lecture from a parent to a child when we're all adults here, rather than just a general statement. Sorry, fans can get a little oversensitive too and not just the talent:) Kimi Lixx,Julie Night,Tina Tyler and then everyone else. [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 15 2005 : 12:20PM Bill wrote: Mr.XXX wrote: If your squeemish about fans merely groping you, don't take pictures with them. Click to expand That has to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever read. That's right up there with "If you don't want to be raped, don't do anything to make youself look attractive". Click to expand +1 for Bill [Link]
Julia Ann Member 279 Posts 10/04	Posted - May 15 2005 : 2:59PM Hey Voyeur, No big deal, but we're all just big kids and let's face it sex makes us silly and sometimes stupid. I certainly know that it can run my life if I let it. [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 15 2005 : 4:30PM Julia Ann wrote: I certainly know that it can run my life if I let it. Click to expand THAT's what your fans want to hear from you. Never been to an adult con. But the crazy masses I've seen at star trek cons give me a slight hint of what's happening at adult cons I think. It's simply the problem that some "fans" are so into their fantasy world that they can't make the difference between the actress in person and the character she plays in the film. I think its okay to put more security guys on the con. Adult actresses deserve the same respect and safety as any other TV or film actress. [Link]
Mr.XXX Member 41 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 16 2005 : 12:01AM Bill wrote: Mr.XXX wrote: If your squeemish about fans merely groping you, don't take pictures with them. Click to expand That has to be one of the dumbest statements I have ever read. That's right up there with "If you don't want to be raped, don't do anything to make youself look attractive". Click to expand Statistically most rapes happen to women (and men) who are mostly/fully clothed and with little to no make-up. Scantilly clad women with heavy make-up usually attract to much attention from others for the rapist to feel safe to attack. This applies to most, not all assaults. Learned this from interviews with FBI agents. [Link]
leah luv Member 230 Posts 4/05	Posted - May 16 2005 : 4:30AM Hi everyone, it's Leah. I just want to say: pause to sigh: We as pornstars represent sex. We do what most of society looks down on. This type of behavior is to be expected. You dont need to get all carried away and hit or call security for one incident. Just walk away. Just dont expect to much from these fans and dont expect a lot of respect as long as you do porn. We deserve it. But we will not always get it. leah Edited by - leah luv on 5/30/2005 3:45:45 AM [Link]
Mr.XXX Member 41 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 16 2005 : 4:54AM Leah, Woman are just going to have to take more control over the adult industry. More women directors, writers, producers and distributors are needed to balance out the men. I've been watching porn since 1980 and its so much more violent than back in the day. Rocco dumping womens heads in toilets, spitting, guys stepping on girls heads and Gag Factor(which is the 1st porn I've ever felt should be banned)are becoming the norm in porn today. It's sad. Pedophiles and other criminals are not the standard by which we should be judging porn but it's gettin' close. [Link]
leah luv Member 230 Posts 4/05	Posted - May 17 2005 : 2:05AM Mr.XXX wrote: Leah, Woman are just going to have to take more control over the adult industry. More women directors, writers, producers and distributors are needed to balance out the men. I've been watching porn since 1980 and its so much more violent than back in the day. Rocco dumping womens heads in toilets, spitting, guys stepping on girls heads and Gag Factor(which is the 1st porn I've ever felt should be banned)are becoming the norm in porn today. It's sad. Pedophiles and other criminals are not the standard by which we should be judging porn but it's gettin' close. Click to expand I totally agree. As long as we keep doing scenes like this in fear of walking off a set cause it may ruin our reputation, we are just asking for it. You know 97% of rape, murder, and pedophile suspects have been discovered to get most of their ideas from porn? To us its just acting, its just a role. But to some of those type of men, its real and it arouses them in ways they dont have control of. leah [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02	Posted - May 17 2005 : 2:13AM leah luv wrote: You know 97% of rape, murder, and pedophile suspects have been discovered to get most of their ideas from porn? Click to expand According to whom? And, just to be pedantic, they aren't suspects if they've been convicted, and if they haven't been convicted, then the stat is totally bogus. I'm pretty sure it's bogus anyway, but I'd still like to know your source. At any rate, much as society would like to blame porn, I blame their parents for failing to socialize them. [Link]
Lee O Forearm Trainer mmmmmmm........ after-birth 1193 Posts 8/03	Posted - May 17 2005 : 3:48AM Nearly all rapists have eaten at least 3 mars bars in their lives . FACT ! What were all of history's rapists doing before porn came along , where on earth did they get their ideas from ? Bloody Vikings must have had an early form of grot they refused to share with the rest of us . The bastards . [Link]

Lee O Forearm Trainer mmmmmmm........ after-birth 1193 Posts 8/03	Posted - May 17 2005 : 3:50AM Horned Helmet Porn : By Odin's balls I'll Gape You ! [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 17 2005 : 8:52AM Leah, sad to hear you have such a bad opinion of your audience. But as far as the supposed pedophiles in your fandom are concerned, I guess you capitalize on that with your brace and overall looks. In my opinion the whole "Who's your Daddy" and "high school girl porn" should be banned and the age to enter porn raised to 21. This would help to make clear that adult entertainment has nothing to do with pedophilia and other sexual assault. [Link]
lukemason Member 697 Posts 8/04	Posted - May 17 2005 : 11:48AM leah luv wrote: Hi everyone, it's Leah. I just want to say: pause to sigh: We as pornstars represent sex. We do what most of society looks down on. This type of behavior is to be expected. You dont need to get all carried away and hit or call security for one incident. Just walk away. Some ladies represent sex in the most nasty of ways. Not all of us but a LARGE handful. This is to those ladies. We joke around all the time BTS about how we are whores and how much we love to do this. We do movies that have titles clearly stating that we are whores and sluts and bitches, etc. We let the male talent call us bitch, hoe, dirty little whore, cocksucker, I mean there are a million things that these men call us on camera. Right? And were fine with it at the time, right? And we do movies where the guys pull us around by our hair and slap us and throw us around, and what we are doing is appealing to peoples dirty, dark, secret little fantasies. Then we go to AEE and the fans grope us and we complain? Not all of the ladies once again but quite a large group. We get pissed on, we puke all over ourselves then eat it, we let them degrade us to the fullest extent. Then complain when the fans grab our pussies and suck our titties and totally disrespect us. So to those ladies that do let yourselves be disrespected in movies, YOU have created this reputation for yourselves. Your fans see you and the guys call you all these names. You CANNOT expect your fans to see you as a respectable woman. You threw that out the window. Please, if you make your bed you lay in it. Dont complain. Now, I do agree that these fans are going way overboard. They wouldn't approach a woman on the street and just grab her pussy and start sucking her titty. And they shouldnt do it at AEE. There manners should not change, just because the location did. We are women and deserve the utmost respect at all times. Any man who doesnt feel that way isnt a gentleman and I hope your wives divorce you guys. Guys were touching me at the convention but most of them asked first. The ones that didnt I just walked away right then. Thats all you can do. Now, I had a couple of fans that followed me around the entire 4 days and I finally had to call security.Female talent, please try to understand that a lot of these fans are screwy. Theyve got lose nuts, get me? Petafiles, rapists, stalkers, child molesters, all these people LOVE porn. Its dirty. And there was at least one guy from each different category at the convention. Just dont expect to much from these fans and dont expect a lot of respect as long as you do porn. We deserve it. But we will not always get it. leah Click to expand it is truly the double edged sword here i agree but when i was at AEE i was so shocked and awed over the whole thing i barely spoke to many people i wanted to unless they were at the circle bar BUT when i did speak to them i was always polite :) [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - May 17 2005 : 1:13PM The big problem with AEE I think is that a lot of the audience is not really diehard porn fans but jarheads and frat boys who only come to grope and act like assholes. I came close to decking one of those SOBs but with security (and his drunk muscled buddies) around, I figured not such a good idea. Yeah, Leah, there are a lot of creepy dudes, and I'll bet you met more than your share of closet pedophiles (but hey, I love 'em in pigtails, too -- they just have to be over 18!). I think there is merit to your viewpoint, in terms of the way some fans take porn scene behavior as verbatim and license to act the same way -- as if porn stars are mere chattel -- but like Hardware says, that's either evidence of a bad upbringing or male "pack" mentality. I think porn has become an incidental part of everyday American life, which is really wasn't when i was growing up. You really had to seek it out. Penthouse was maybe the best you could get. They didn't even have VHS machines you could buy for cheap. (God, I sound ancient). Of course, I was 20 at the time so watching porn was kind of not a need; there was lots of sex to have. College was great. And no AIDS! Wheeeeee .... Well, anyway ... I sound like Grandpa. [Link]
leah luv Member 230 Posts 4/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 3:20AM juha wrote: Leah, sad to hear you have such a bad opinion of your audience. But as far as the supposed pedophiles in your fandom are concerned, I guess you capitalize on that with your brace and overall looks. In my opinion the whole "Who's your Daddy" and "high school girl porn" should be banned and the age to enter porn raised to 21. I just think that they shouldnt have women like me saying I just turned 18 when Im just short of 21. And I dont have a bad opinion of my audience. I was only trying to point out that noone should complain about being groped and such at the convention when the fans are there for entertainment and we are there to entertain. We are huge sex symbols and get offended when treated like one. And that they shouldnt complain about being thought of as a whore, slut, etc when on camera they as well as others call them that on camera. This would help to make clear that adult entertainment has nothing to do with pedophilia and other sexual assault. Click to expand [Link]
leah luv Member 230 Posts 4/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 3:38AM I think there are too many different types of fans at such a large convention to even try and have expectations for not being groped or what not. The young immature men who wanna cop a feel and get there jollys off. The married men who like to watch porn with there wife. The lonely men who just desperately need a beautiful woman. The freaky men/women who like EVERYTHING. The old men who like little girls that like older men. The men who like women who like being a slut and having hair pulled, spit on, called bitches, pissed on, etc. Men who fantasize about their daughters friends. Women, who love women that love eating pussy. Older women who like little girls. Moms who wonder what their 21 year old daughter looks like naked.-thats my mom :{ haha. And people who just love watching people fuck. thats me. Nymphos who think about sex all day long. jeez there are so many different types. Come on. Expectations? No way. Not here. I know better. Haha Edited by - leah luv on 5/30/2005 3:59:47 AM [Link]
VernonRoberts Member 122 Posts 1/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 7:08AM juha wrote: In my opinion the whole "Who's your Daddy" and "high school girl porn" should be banned and the age to enter porn raised to 21. Click to expand But I'm only 23 years old and I like seeing teenage girls (I suspect most of them are closer to my age anyway) in plaid skirts and knee high stockings doing all the nasty things I like seeing my favorite porn girls do. There are always going to be psycho's and there's nothing anyone can do about it, that's just the way it is. [Link]
sebastianAustria New Member 5 Posts 5/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 9:11AM I agree to VernonRoberts! I'm 18 now and I like watching ladys on pornstrips about my age. I think i belong to te "The young immature men who wanna cop a feel and get there jollys off." group as Ms. Luv said, and I think we are all arround the same age and want to see the same. We are many people and we buy many pornstuff. So they will sell us what we want. (because of the money) Please don't missunderstand me, we don't wan't to see violence in porns, it just gets more realistic if we see ladys in our age on the strips. greets sebastian PS: @ Leah Luv you look similar to a fried of me g [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 10:00AM leah luv wrote: I just think that they shouldnt have women like me saying I just turned 18 when Im just short of 21. And I dont have a bad opinion of my audience. I was only trying to point out that noone should complain about being groped and such at the convention when the fans are there for entertainment and we are there to entertain. We are huge sex symbols and get offended when treated like one. And that they shouldnt complain about being thought of as a whore, slut, etc when on camera they as well as others call them that on camera. Click to expand Thanks leah for clarifying. You seem to be a smart young girl who really reflects upon herself and the world around her. We luv you long time. [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 10:03AM sebastianAustria wrote: I agree to VernonRoberts! I'm 18 now and I like watching ladys on pornstrips about my age. Click to expand Hey, a boy that young should stick to Vivid vids. [Link]

juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 10:06AM VernonRoberts wrote: juha wrote: In my opinion the whole "Who's your Daddy" and "high school girl porn" should be banned and the age to enter porn raised to 21. Click to expand But I'm only 23 years old and I like seeing teenage girls (I suspect most of them are closer to my age anyway) in plaid skirts and knee high stockings doing all the nasty things I like seeing my favorite porn girls do. There are always going to be psycho's and there's nothing anyone can do about it, that's just the way it is. Click to expand Well, there's nothing wrong with watching a girl of your own age or two years younger. But I think there's definitely something wrong when the girl in the vid plays a character who's only 14-15. [Link]
nietzsche Deactivated User 5470 Posts 8/03	Posted - May 30 2005 : 10:07AM Mr.XXX wrote: ...Rocco dumping womens heads in toilets, spitting, guys stepping on girls heads... Click to expand Can you recommend any titles? [Link]
nietzsche Deactivated User 5470 Posts 8/03	Posted - May 30 2005 : 10:21AM leah luv wrote: The old men who like little girls that like older men. The men who like women who like being a slut and having hair pulled, spit on, called bitches, pissed on, etc. Click to expand Please tell me this is your favorite kind. Humor me. [Link]
nietzsche Deactivated User 5470 Posts 8/03	Posted - May 30 2005 : 10:24AM juha wrote: In my opinion the whole "Who's your Daddy" and "high school girl porn" should be banned and the age to enter porn raised to 21. Click to expand Would someone please hang a deactivated sign on this guy? [Link]
sebastianAustria New Member 5 Posts 5/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 3:24PM juha wrote: sebastianAustria wrote: I agree to VernonRoberts! I'm 18 now and I like watching ladys on pornstrips about my age. Click to expand Hey, a boy that young should stick to Vivid vids. Click to expand ok, as i'm a greenhorn in porn-business. could you tell me whats special on vivid productions, that young boys should watch them? Edited by - sebastianAustria on 5/30/2005 3:35:04 PM [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 3:38PM nietzsche wrote: juha wrote: In my opinion the whole "Who's your Daddy" and "high school girl porn" should be banned and the age to enter porn raised to 21. Click to expand Would someone please hang a deactivated sign on this guy? Click to expand Come on, nietzsche, live and let live. [Link]
Zartyr Member 700 Posts 7/04	Posted - May 30 2005 : 3:44PM sebastianAustria wrote: ok, as i'm a greenhorn in porn-business. could you tell me whats special on vivid productions, that young boys should watch them? Click to expand Young boys a few years earlier used to play with toys. Toys are often made of plastics (Airfix, GI Joe, Playmobil, PlayBig, ActionMan, etc.) If young guys watch Vivid the transition to adulthood is smoothed, because in Vivid movies you can watch plastic dolls, as opposed to "real women", having sex. edit: I usually don't use much smilies, but to make it fully clear. I didn't want to make it look like, I want to make fun of a new user. So add these to this post. Edited by - Zartyr on 5/30/2005 4:09:01 PM [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 3:46PM sebastianAustria wrote: juha wrote: sebastianAustria wrote: I agree to VernonRoberts! I'm 18 now and I like watching ladys on pornstrips about my age. Click to expand Hey, a boy that young should stick to Vivid vids. Click to expand ok, as i'm a greenhorn in porn-business. could you tell me whats special on vivid productions, that young boys should watch them? Click to expand They are pretty tame compared to the stuff Leah Luv appears in. Vivid is known as the glamour porn company. If that's good or bad is a matter of personal taste. In the 90's they were by far the biggest player in mainstream porn. But Wicked and Digital Playground have been hard competition since then. Seriously you should check them out, beautiful girls, beautiful sets, high production values. But no dp, no bukkake, only the sexual action you're doing in your own life too. [Link]
juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 3:48PM Zartyr wrote: sebastianAustria wrote: ok, as i'm a greenhorn in porn-business. could you tell me whats special on vivid productions, that young boys should watch them? Click to expand Young boys a few year earlier used to play with toys. Toys are often made of plastics (Airfix, GI Joe, Playmobil, PlayBig, ActionMan, etc.) If young guys watch Vivid the transition to adulthood is smoothed, because in Vivid movies you can watch plastic dolls, as opposed to "real women", having sex. Click to expand That's a pretty good explanation. [Link]
sebastianAustria New Member 5 Posts 5/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 4:00PM juha wrote: Zartyr wrote: sebastianAustria wrote: ok, as i'm a greenhorn in porn-business. could you tell me whats special on vivid productions, that young boys should watch them? Click to expand Young boys a few year earlier used to play with toys. Toys are often made of plastics (Airfix, GI Joe, Playmobil, PlayBig, ActionMan, etc.) If young guys watch Vivid the transition to adulthood is smoothed, because in Vivid movies you can watch plastic dolls, as opposed to "real women", having sex. Click to expand That's a pretty good explanation. Click to expand thx for the explanations! but i love leah luv's appearance! How she looks like, her facial expression and the way she talks. She reminds me a bit of a very nice girl i know! She could make a Vivid film for us young boys lol maybe if i'm very kind... [Link]

juha Senior Member 2752 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 4:10PM sebastianAustria wrote: She could make a Vivid film for us young boys lol maybe if i'm very kind... Click to expand Well, I'm not sure if our naughty Leah Luv would have fun on a Vivid set. As I said it's always pretty tame. On the other hand Vivid always hires attractive studs. Perhaps Leah can let us know if she would like to make a film we can watch with our girlfriends? [Link]
melissalauren Melissa Lauren 834 Posts 2/04	Posted - May 30 2005 : 4:21PM juha wrote: Well, I'm not sure if our naughty Leah Luv would have fun on a Vivid set. As I said it's always pretty tame. On the other hand Vivid always hires attractive studs. Perhaps Leah can let us know if she would like to make a film we can watch with our girlfriends? Click to expand i cannot speak for Leah, but only for myself here... i have worked for gonzo companies a lot (Extreme Associates, Red Light, Evil Angel, ...) and done very hard scenes. on the other hand, i worked a lot too for Michael Ninn, Laurent Sky, Vivid, Wicked, etc... i enjoy both hard gonzo and features a lot. because you do one kind of porn doesn t mean you cannot enjoy (or cannot do) the other kind. as i ve said before, i feel lucky that i m able to work for Extreme associates on Monday and go to a Vivid set on tuesday ;-) [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - May 30 2005 : 4:24PM melissalauren wrote: i feel lucky that i m able to work for Extreme associates on Monday and go to a Vivid set on tuesday ;-) Click to expand I'm still waiting for Coffee Ron to take the romantic male lead in a Vivid feature. We can't let Randy Spears and Evan Stone do all the heavy lifting. I'd also like to see Mr. Pete's Song of Love . Romance is where it's at! [Link]
sebastianAustria New Member 5 Posts 5/05	Posted - May 30 2005 : 5:04PM juha wrote: sebastianAustria wrote: She could make a Vivid film for us young boys lol maybe if i'm very kind... Click to expand Well, I'm not sure if our naughty Leah Luv would have fun on a Vivid set. As I said it's always pretty tame. On the other hand Vivid always hires attractive studs. Perhaps Leah can let us know if she would like to make a film we can watch with our girlfriends? Click to expand that would be very kind, letting us know if she would like to! i would watch it with my girlfriend +ggg+ Are pornstars afraid of the first time on the set? do they think of fans treating them respectless in future times? [Link]
Redish Poetic Moderator Long and Cursive road to the Ivory Pagoda in the province of Loraine 4076 Posts 12/03	Posted - May 30 2005 : 5:11PM melissalauren wrote: as i ve said before, i feel lucky that i m able to work for Extreme associates on Monday and go to a Vivid set on tuesday ;-) Click to expand And we are all quite thankful that you do, Melissa. [Link]
nietzsche Deactivated User 5470 Posts 8/03	Posted - May 30 2005 : 7:05PM juha wrote: Would someone please hang a deactivated sign on this guy? Come on, nietzsche, live and let live. Click to expand hah I was just kidding dude. [Link]
Mr.XXX Member 41 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 31 2005 : 1:52AM nietzsche wrote: Mr.XXX wrote: ...Rocco dumping womens heads in toilets, spitting, guys stepping on girls heads... Click to expand Can you recommend any titles? Click to expand Rocco did the dumping with a girl named Sandy, spitting is everywhere even on the Howard Stern Show, and Jessica Darlin had her head stepped on in a website(if I see it again I'll let you know- you sick bastard). [Link]
phatbasey Senior Member 1390 Posts 1/05	Posted - May 31 2005 : 2:36AM Mr.XXX wrote: Rocco did the dumping with a girl named Sandy, spitting is everywhere even on the Howard Stern Show, and Jessica Darlin had her head stepped on in a website(if I see it again I'll let you know- you sick bastard). Click to expand You do not seem to have a glowing review of all things porn my brother. Since I can not tell if you are kidding or not, I will play my hit single for you..."Nothing should be banned as long as the participants are of age and willing". Women such as Melissa are well aware what they are doing. Gag Factor is one of my all time favorite series and there would not have been over 15 of them if people were not buying them so I am not the only one. I don't think this is the right site for you to make that complaint...there are dozens of threads dedicated to "extreme porn" already. To stay on target with this thread... the biggest point (which was made over 5 pages ago) is that the typical porn fans do not actually attend AEE, mostly it is frat boys and yo-yos. The solutions vary but I second the idea of raising the price even though this will affect ME personally since I have no connections to "get me in", still it might be the best answer. [Link]
green-toke Member Loc: Kyoto, Japan 159 Posts 4/05	Posted - May 31 2005 : 3:09AM Mr.XXX wrote: (if I see it again I'll let you know- you sick bastard). Click to expand Where is all of this negative energy coming from? Mr. XXX, it is time you cope with reality. Extreme porn with guys like Rocco is not going anywhere. It was much worse, using your viewpoint, in the 70's before you even started watching porno. BDSM and mainstream porno were one. You know, a southern baptist could sit here and argue with you for hours about how sick you are for even watching porn in the 1st place. About how any pornography is degrading to women and exploitative. Wake up buddy, these girls do what they do because it is their thing. Some girls like rough stuff, some producers like rough stuff, lots of fans like rough stuff. No one puts a gun to anyone's head here. Do you think that there would be more or less job opportunities for girls in porn w/o rough gonzo? The answer is less, rough gonzo creates more jobs for girls because the market is expanded, they do not need to take those jobs and believe me when I tell you that many of them likely enjoy the extra cash. Please get a clue. [Link]
Mr.XXX Member 41 Posts 3/05	Posted - May 31 2005 : 3:28AM Dear Phat-Toke: Guys, I love porn and the 1st Amendment but each has limits. I was sneeking into porn theatres in the 70's as a underaged teen and the BDSM was nowhere near the level it is today. But your right this should be discussed somewhere else, seeya. [Link]
green-toke Member Loc: Kyoto, Japan 159 Posts 4/05	Posted - May 31 2005 : 3:45AM Mr.XXX wrote: Dear Phat-Toke: Guys, I love porn and the 1st Amendment but each has limits. I was sneeking into porn theatres in the 70's as a underaged teen and the BDSM was nowhere near the level it is today. Click to expand Limits? I don't know you but I suspect that you do not even work in the adult film industry. You are just a viewer and while this stuff sends shockwaves through your senses, it doesn't even phase many of the performers that you are attempting to stand up for. You really are not much better than the preaching southern baptist who has his/her own idea of how the world should be run. This isn't slavery here now is it? No guns to anyone's head, just remember that. And I have seen actual bondage/whipping scenes in porno from the 70's combined with sex scenes. That would likely get any porn producer landed in jail by today's standards. Maybe today's BDSM is more extreme but so are the girls that desire it, just remember that as well. [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14594 Posts 3/02	Posted - May 31 2005 : 3:47AM mod note: Let's stop the personalities and get back on topic or this thread's done. [Link]