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Sanders
Member

424 Posts
9/03
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 5:31AM
I was always a big fan of features, because I thought having a plot always spices up the sex scenes. But in todays era it seems like theme is gonzo where you have the same 10 performers who fuck the shit out of every girl that comes into the business. Features are have been very watered down when it comes to sex, it's just not like it was back in 1995-96. I feel the reson for watered down sex is three reasons 1) too much dialogue(see Julia Ann in Hercules I don't know if Samuel L.Jackson in Pulp Fiction had to remeber more dialogue than she did) 2) Too many high budget films shot in the cold and exhausting action scenes.3) Condoms-Whether you like it or not some people just get turned off.
TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 8:54AM
Everyone who wonders what happened to porn features should go read lazerus's very educational post in the "Shooting Gonzo on Film" thread

By the standards of what we see on the TV each and every day, $1,000,000 is a tiny budget for a feature. What makes pornographers think they can do it for $100,000 is beyond me.

-T.C.

M.B.
Senior Member

1679 Posts
2/01
Posted - Oct 7 2003 : 10:54PM
I think the feature died because:

-They don't shoot it on film anymore. Shoot a feature on video and it just doesn't look right.

-Too many girls with tattoos, the stripper look etc. Not enough normal looking girls. Feature is supposed to be more realistic, Tons of blondes with fake tits and tattoos isn't realistic.

-Condoms


Edited by - M.B. on 10/8/2003 9:49:49 PM

EagleSpirit
Member

Somewhere Doing Something Stupid
439 Posts
7/03
Posted - Oct 8 2003 : 7:50PM
I saw a key word in Tony C.'s post, it was Pornographers. I have noticed this word in other posts too. I guess a person who calls themself a pornographer doesn't realize their full potential, a more fitting word would be "Artist." Adult film directors are cranking out so much product that sometimes I think they lose sight of themselves. As far as features go is it better to make just one good film, 3 mediocre films or 24 crappy films? After all who cares about the plot as long as the hottest star in the industry is starring in it the film will do just well.
PL
Senior Member

God hates us all, you know it's true, God hates this place. - Slayer
1726 Posts
10/03
Posted - Oct 8 2003 : 8:24PM
I couldn't agree with M.B. any more.. the condoms thins with me is OK, but the other two you head on. Although I do give some credit to a couple of companies (Wicked and Digital Playground) from some pretty nice special effects.
 
Lazerus
Member

187 Posts
9/03
Posted - Oct 9 2003 : 7:21AM
Ok, here is a question for those of you who watch a lot of the current crop of porn "features". How many of the features produced by the major companies such as Vivid, DS, Wicked, etc. are used in cable syndication? How many are shot in both "soft" and "hard" versions, so as to be available for the widest possible distribution to different cable TV channels (adult cable has varying degrees of explicit behavior depending on the network, and all sorts of standards about what they will or won't show, i.e. Playboy vs. Spice vs. Pleasure, etc.)?

To what extent do you think the vanilla sex action, bourgeois premises, condoms, and even run times are related to the issues of making the videos "cable-ready" for distribution to the various stations? Remember, adult cable networks have grown a lot recently, and porn has only been used in soft formats on them for about the last ten or twelve years--Paul Thomas and Vivid were key early players in this regard, and I remember Thomas being interviewed about 1993 in Adam Film World on the subject, saying the cable version was ultimately the most important to him, because it was the most profitable (I have no idea if this is true or not).

TonyC
Comstock Films

2523 Posts
8/03
Posted - Oct 9 2003 : 9:13AM
Bingo! The presumption that smut is created purely in response to the desires of the audience is flawed, and has led to the (somewhat simplified) misapprehension that porn viewer fall into one of two camps: hardcore raincoaters slavering to see the latest in over the top extreme circus sex, and those who just want to see nice people having nice sex in nice places, and are more interested in production values (or what passes for them) than they are in hardcore action.

I think a better construct would be based on the level of social opprobrium that a person is willing to risk for the sake of seeing people fuck. Some people will risk a discreet charge on their phone bill, some people will risk receiving a supiciously plain package in the mail, and some may even be willing to be seen pulling into the back parking lot of the local sex-shop. I feel pretty safe in asserting that the latter, especially those who will take this risk on a regular basis, are in the overwhelming minority.

I remember the same Thomas quote, and I think he was very astute in seeing that there was a whole lot more money to be made pumping softcore into people's livingroom, than there was in asking them to go into "the back room" at the local video store for their hardcore. I don't know if he also foresaw the decline of the mom and pop video store, which for many people was their only access to hardcore pornography. If our local video store,which carries porn, went out of business we'd have to drive 60 miles to the nearest sex-shop. Nothing between here and there but Blockbusters. (Nevermind the fact that we live in a small town, so anytime we'd want to rent smut we'd have to do it in plain view of our neighbors. As far as I can tell, there's nothing in that backroom that's worth suffering the curious glance of my daughter's pre-school teacher.) The alternative? Cable porn, which is both expensive and unsatisfying.

Now if there was something out there that was worth spending money on, we would. We have a medium sized collection of silicone dildos, and other premium sextoys. Our annual expenditure on new toys/lubes is probably about $200. There's no doubt in my mind that if someone created smut that was as pleasurable an enhancement to our sex lives as a Vixen String of Pearls, we'd buy it -- especially if we could do so from the comfort of our own home.

Instead the choice seems to be to sulk into the local video store for Ass Invaders 12 or For Ladies Only 2, or pay $8 for a night of Playboy/Spice, which is more or less the same crap, but with out the parts we want to see. Our anual expenditure on porn is zilch.

-T.C.

Edited by - TonyC on 10/9/2003 10:35:50 AM

EagleSpirit
Member

Somewhere Doing Something Stupid
439 Posts
7/03
Posted - Oct 10 2003 : 10:48PM
I have been waiting for days to get back into this topic. I have been involved with porn for 10 years and I continue to evolve every day as a person and my comfort level. When I first started to rent and buy x rated films I was only interested in features. I felt as if I rented something other than that I would be deemed a pervert. Now the fact of the matter is I enjoy watching and participating in hardcore sex.
I have not met a single person who doesn't. Needless to say I don't meet women at Republican conventions. I also travel a lot and every place I go to the people
have a different stigma about porn.
At first I get negative reactions but it doesn't take me more than ten seconds to set them straight and just accept it. I am getting way off the topic here, hmmm.



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