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star_angel126 Member 20 Posts 9/16	Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 3:40AM Alright, so I have joined this group for one purpose: I believe there is a side of porn that simply doesn't exist. So, lots of sites advertise "female friendly" porn. This means it's not hard core or violent, generally speaking. There are Dane Jones videos, however and these are excellent. HOWEVER, the majority of porn has WOMEN in most of the shots. It's about what a MAN sees and is attracted by while having sex. Most of the time, the men featured in these videos (Dane Jones included) are barely even passably attractive. They don't have to have monster dicks, just normal penises are perfectly fine! But there's nothing worse than ahem enjoying yourself while watching a nice video, and the camera cuts to a vagina or the woman's face. I want to see porn that feature what a WOMAN would like to see. Like men with big, broad shoulders and backs, THICK muscular (not perfectly ripped) but thick bodies, and more than anything, I want to see his FACE. I want to hear his sounds of pleasure, I want to see the look on his face as he strokes the body of a beautiful woman. I want to see a man really enjoying himself. I'm so tired of watching videos that assume I'm a man! lol! I want to see a porn video with a beautiful man that looks like he's in love with the woman he's fucking. I don't want to try and masturbate to his sounds when he cums while I look at some girl getting cum all over his face. I want him to do it inside the girl, and I want to see that moment when every last ounce of his masculine energy releases into her. Who cares if he's wearing a condom or not? That's not the appeal! It's that moment when he loses it all... like in real life, right before they collapse and ask you to bring them a drink of water, or some kleenex to clean up their mess, because they spent every last bit of energy they had on pleasuring you... and enjoying each other's bodies... For me, it's so much about his face. And every guy I've ever given a blowjob to has said that women always look at their faces while they do it. Why? Because we want to know if they're enjoying themselves! I'm absolutely positive I'm not the only woman that wants to see her man's face when they're doing it. It's time to ACTUALLY have female porn... and if it already exists, please god tell me where to find it... I really don't watch porn all that often, but when I do - that's what I want! Some REAL lovemaking. Because there really is a difference between "fucking" and making love. Some men fuck, some men make love. I've never met one that could do both. Thanks for letting me post, and thanks to anyone that might read this :) [Link]
Slector Member 655 Posts 2/14	Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 4:52AM I'm no expert on the subject, but it's probably because men buy 99% of the porn that is produced and men don't want to see that. For the most part, men just watch that kind of stuff when their girlfriend or wife want to watch porn with them. And then he will lie to your face and tell you how hot it is, when in reality he is just saying that because he knows that romantic stuff turns women on. But there is stuff like that around. Google romantic porn or softcore porn. Edited by - Slector on 9/5/2016 4:54:27 AM Edited by - Slector on 9/5/2016 5:00:22 AM [Link]
ScottMcGowan Your Choice "Skip the sex. I wanna see the stories." -Scott on Girlfriends Films 149 Posts 7/10	Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 7:43AM star_angel126, I think you make a lot of valid points here. I wish there were more women out there speaking up for what they want (whether it's what you're describing here or something entirely different), and proving that there is a market for it. Part of the problem, of course, is that porn studios are largely operated by and porn movies largely directed by, men. Both of which seem content to ignore the needs and wants of half the population. There are a few notable exceptions to the trend (Mason of EroticaX/HardX/DarkX and Jacky St. James of New Sensations/Digital Sin immediately come to mind), but that doesn't mean that they necessarily direct movies specific to a female audience. Either way, I hope you find what you're looking for, and welcome to the board. :) [edited for typo] Edited by - ScottMcGowan on 9/5/2016 7:46:37 AM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 9:03AM I complain about this too. The majority of hetero-porn is afraid to show the male as a subject because they assume (rightly so, in a lot of cases) that the male viewer is going to freak out if they see a dude. It's safer to avoid it. As a result, you have to either find gif sites that grab those special moments where the dude is visible, or watch gay porn, or watch porn from the 70s/80s (the latter two are my preferred choices). There are pornographers making actual porn for women (and men who aren't scared of catching the gay) though. Check out Ms. Naughty's site Bright Desire. [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 9:25AM Check out Sssh.com. The site is run by a woman and is designed for women. The scenarios are submitted by members. I just reviewed their short Empowering Ava . [Link]

star_angel126 Member 20 Posts 9/16	Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 11:41PM @Slector: You have COMPLETELY missed the point. Let me ask you this, have you ever seen a POV video of a man performing oral sex on a woman? Do you really not see that the porn you watch is not meant for women? Can't see the forest for the trees I guess. @ScottMcGowan: Thank you for your response. What I find very interesting is, there ARE women that are at the head of some of this production. They insist that they are for women and it's complete BS. They are making porn for men. What I can't understand is, why is it that a woman can make porn geared toward men, but men can't make porn geared toward women? Surely it's possible! @GoreGoreGirl: Thank you!! Excellent source. Unfortunately, even when you "search" their site - there are three videos available for purchase. But this is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. Gay porn - I've tried it. There are some very attractive men. But the anal play is a turn off for me lol. That and the fact that a lot of what I find attractive is the man's reaction when he's touching a WOMAN's body lol. Because then I can imagine it's me or whatever. That's the fun part of porn, right? I'm going to look into porn from the 70s and 80s and see what I can come up with. Do you have any good sources yourself? @Flash: looks great, but it appears you need a subscription. I'm not so into porn that I want to spend $100 every single year. I would just like to buy a movie or two and watch them over whenever I feel the desire... Here's the other thing I was thinking today... A LOT of women view men watching porn as cheating, or don't like porn for many understandable reasons. I actually tried clicking around at some of the threads on here and I thought I was going to be sick with some of the stuff these men are into. Anyway, my point is - if there was a good, solid establishment of porn for women out there, well-known and widespread - wouldn't it help men too? If you're woman is watching porn too, she can't very well accuse her man of cheating for watching it, right? Anyway, I read that this forum has people on it from the industry and I was hoping that maybe one of those people might read this and think it's a good idea. I work in business and it really doesn't make any logical sense from a business perspective either. There's SO much porn out there for men, it's got to be a competitive market, right? Why on earth aren't there more people tapping into porn for women? And advertising like crazy... because I LIKE porn and I didn't even know about some of the things you guys recommended. It's a gold mine and it's pretty much uncharted... Anyway, those are my thoughts. Thanks for the recommendations. And if anyone else has any sources, I'm all ears. [Link]
whatsatelephonebill Senior Member 2935 Posts 10/11	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 12:11AM From what I remember, there are a few sites out there that feature hetero scenes, but are actually directed towards the gay male audience, so not as much emphasis is placed on the female performer. I want to say one of them was called Straight Guys 4 Gay Eyes, or something like that. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 12:33AM star_angel126 wrote: @ScottMcGowan: Thank you for your response. What I find very interesting is, there ARE women that are at the head of some of this production. They insist that they are for women and it's complete BS. They are making porn for men. Click to expand That's an extremely black and white way of looking at it. Following your understanding of "female porn" we'd have to conclude that even the women of Pink Label and Lust Cinema are only directing porn for men. In point of fact, women, including directors, have diverse tastes in porn, as do men. Is it your opinion that women don't actually like the porn they're directing, or that men alone are turned on when "the camera cuts to a vagina or the woman's face"? I note that your definition of "female porn" is strictly hetero. So much for lesbian and bisexual porn. I mention this because it's relevant to the fact that you're not talking about "porn for women", but porn for a specific woman: you. That's fine btw, but it's something that should be cleared up before we move on. You're an individual consumer who has her own specific tastes. You are not all women. Just because you dislike or dislike a porn film/scene does not mean that that porn film/scene only or mostly appeals to men. Edited by - misspornUSA on 9/6/2016 12:33:52 AM [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 1:14AM I think she means "female porn" is her desire of what porn should be and is applying it to all women and thinking that is what we all want. In saying that, most porn is produced in a way to appeal to the male viewer first, the female second. Why? Because a lot more men are likely to spend money on porn than women. Porn that she is advocating is the topic of many unhappy posts on ADT (men being shown too much, etc)... so I can see how she may feel. it is an interesting discussion for sure. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/6/2016 1:29:00 AM [Link]
star_angel126 Member 20 Posts 9/16	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 2:53AM That's an extremely black and white way of looking at it. Following your understanding of "female porn" we'd have to conclude that even the women of Pink Label and Lust Cinema are only directing porn for men. In point of fact, women, including directors, have diverse tastes in porn, as do men. Is it your opinion that women don't actually like the porn they're directing, or that men alone are turned on when "the camera cuts to a vagina or the woman's face"? I note that your definition of "female porn" is strictly hetero. So much for lesbian and bisexual porn. I mention this because it's relevant to the fact that you're not talking about "porn for women", but porn for a specific woman: you. That's fine btw, but it's something that should be cleared up before we move on. You're an individual consumer who has her own specific tastes. You are not all women. Just because you dislike or dislike a porn film/scene does not mean that that porn film/scene only or mostly appeals to men. Edited by - misspornUSA on 9/6/2016 12:33:52 AM Click to expand You're right I'm coming off like I'm blanketing everyone, and I am, but in the interest of simplifying what it is that I'm trying to say. So please forgive me if I've offended. I'm certain the women do like the porn they are directing. But I also think that the kind of porn I have attempted to describe above is far less likely to be produced or directed by the kind of person that would be interested in it, so it is very limited. So far, all I have been able to find is what has been posted in this thread above. All of this having been said, I have been known in the past to enjoy women in porn and IRL... but for those times when that is not what I'm interested in - and this is the majority of the time - I simply can not find what I'm looking for and I have found it to be incredibly frustrating. [Link]
ScottMcGowan Your Choice "Skip the sex. I wanna see the stories." -Scott on Girlfriends Films 149 Posts 7/10	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 2:54AM Canadian_Cindy wrote: I think she means "female porn" is her desire of what porn should be and is applying it to all women and thinking that is what we all want. In saying that, most porn is produced in a way to appeal to the male viewer first, the female second. Why? Because a lot more men are likely to spend money on porn than women. Porn that she is advocating is the topic of many unhappy posts on ADT (men being shown too much, etc)... so I can see how she may feel. it is an interesting discussion for sure. Click to expand I've read (though honestly, I don't remember where) that women's porn habits online are less about buying and trend more towards free content on tube sites - even more so than men. The article I read did nothing to speculate why that's the case (probably a smart move), but I can imagine a variety of reasons from privacy concerns to lack of value and simply not finding exactly what they want. As far as women's tastes in porn, I wrote the following as part of a short article I wrote on our blog. I've been kicking around the porn business since 2001 and have the ability to talk objectively about porn while not sounding pervy. As a result, women have often spoken candidly to me about their own tastes in porn. What I've discovered is this. .Women's taste in porn are as diverse as men's. The range of preferences I've heard runs from mild to wild and everything in between. I've known women who prefer porn featuring men in gay sex scenarios and those who prefer girls with girls or some threesome melange. I've talked to women who want to see simple things such as eye contact between the actors during the act of copulation. I've heard women discuss how they enjoy elaborate, and sometimes downright twisted scenarios (including those considered taboo). I've talked to women who fantasize, but are not interested in engaging in extremely rough and/or humiliating sex acts. I've heard women discuss how they want to see women in a position of power or aggression. I've known those enjoy the concepts of Dominance and submission. I've heard women say that they only wish there were more realistic looking people in porn engaging in more realistic sex. The point is this. There is no such thing as 'porn for women' because women are as diverse in tastes, experiences, motivations, and desires as men. And anyone who tells you men-are-this-way, but women-are-that-way is either lying or stereotyping. [Link]
star_angel126 Member 20 Posts 9/16	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 2:58AM Canadian_Cindy wrote: I think she means "female porn" is her desire of what porn should be and is applying it to all women and thinking that is what we all want. In saying that, most porn is produced in a way to appeal to the male viewer first, the female second. Why? Because a lot more men are likely to spend money on porn than women. Porn that she is advocating is the topic of many unhappy posts on ADT (men being shown too much, etc)... so I can see how she may feel. it is an interesting discussion for sure. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/6/2016 1:29:00 AM Click to expand I don't think that is what all women want, I know better than that. I do however, think that there is a HUGE untapped market out there. And that untapped market likely wants what does not exist. (again oversimplifying - it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I've been looking for years and so far this thread is the only source to any of this type of porn I have been able to find) Amazing that men should complain about men being shown too much when women are looking at porn that is geared entirely for men. (again overgeneralizing and assuming everyone is straight. Just trying to simplify without constantly apologizing and explaining myself) [Link]
star_angel126 Member 20 Posts 9/16	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 3:05AM @ScottMcGowan: What about those women that are completely disgusted and repulsed by the thought of porn? What about those women that call out their husbands for watching it and accuse them of cheating? The women that find their man's stash and toss it in the garbage? What about those porn haters? What if you could turn those people around and just get them to jump on the bandwagon? Just a thought... [Link]
star_angel126 Member 20 Posts 9/16	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 3:13AM Ok, and how's this for an idea: POV videos from a woman's perspective. Cunnilingus and/or sex. I would be impressed if someone could actually tell me that a video like this exists somewhere out there. Because I don't see why there wouldn't be a market for it. [Link]
ScottMcGowan Your Choice "Skip the sex. I wanna see the stories." -Scott on Girlfriends Films 149 Posts 7/10	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 3:15AM star_angel126 wrote: @ScottMcGowan: What about those women that are completely disgusted and repulsed by the thought of porn? What about those women that call out their husbands for watching it and accuse them of cheating? The women that find their man's stash and toss it in the garbage? What about those porn haters? What if you could turn those people around and just get them to jump on the bandwagon? Just a thought... Click to expand Oh, I agree with you in the sense that the the female market has historically been ignored. You won't get a single argument from me on that. As far as the porn haters you describe, I can only speculate that the reasons they despise porn to such a degree has less to do with what the porn business produces and more to do with cultural issues. For every woman who has taken their sexuality firmly in hand (if you'll excuse the pun), there are possibly dozens others who have been indoctrinated into the idea that 'ladies' don't sully themselves with active sexuality. That trend is changing, to be sure. The very fact that we're having this conversation is at least some testament to that. But we have a long way to go, both in Anglophone culture and in the porn business. This is a great conversation. It's actually gasp civil and interesting. Edited by - ScottMcGowan on 9/6/2016 3:17:50 AM [Link]

Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 3:54AM star_angel126 wrote: @ScottMcGowan: What about those women that are completely disgusted and repulsed by the thought of porn? What about those women that call out their husbands for watching it and accuse them of cheating? The women that find their man's stash and toss it in the garbage? What about those porn haters? What if you could turn those people around and just get them to jump on the bandwagon? Just a thought... Click to expand I don't think those women are worth crusading to get "onto the porn bandwagon" by investing in some different style of porn. If someone has a deep rooted disgust for pornography, it is not something that can be changed simply by a different type of porn. That type would still be revolted at a beautifully shot feature movie with lots of hot men and women engaging in kissing and vaginal one on one sex. They just aren't going to watch it, period. And porn should not spend huge money producing dozens of scenes to convert the "porn is disgusting" crowd. I don't think any market should be investing in trying to convert those repulsed by their industry. I wouldn't call on the beef industry to come up with some creative commercials to get activist vegans to eat meat; waste of time. What you described in your original post is not produced much. And, that likely is not going to change. When it comes to paying for sexual things (porn, strippers, escorts, you name it); men win that one a million to one..... as such, they drive the market. ANd to be frank, a lot of women watch porn to see stuff they don't get in their daily life. Romantic passion filled porn does not sell well, even to the female consumer. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/6/2016 4:00:31 AM [Link]
fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 4:33AM Romance novels sell well (13% of adult fiction sold). The majority of romance novels readers (84%) are female. It would seem that romance oriented porn (focus on the men) with handsome, virile, well-built, sexy men and beautiful women might be appealing if marketed properly. It would be nice to see a company experiment with that. I sure would buy it. Edited by - fanofman on 9/6/2016 4:35:52 AM Edited by - fanofman on 9/6/2016 4:37:02 AM [Link]
Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 5:16AM You can try movies shot by Erika Lust, Petra Joy or Jennifer Lyon Bell, you might like them. Jacco [Link]
star_angel126 Member 20 Posts 9/16	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 5:55AM @ScottMcGowan: I would argue that women that do watch porn (for the most part) or venture into checking it out don't tell people about it or talk about it. And for those that are just "taking a look" and perhaps not really interested in the actual idea of watching porn for themselves are likely repulsed and/or shocked by what they are seeing. I mean, how many women have never actually had an orgasm before? That's just how out of touch some women are with their own sexuality, it's sad! And then they expect men to just come along and "know" how to please them. What a ridiculous expectation! No wonder men just watch porn lol There's no pressure there, right? And you're right it's a good chat. I quite enjoy meaningful conversation. @Canadian_Cindy: very good point. You're right catering a business to people that are not interested and against porn altogether doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I was just playing devil's advocate I suppose. I do wonder though, if some might change their minds if they saw some more tasteful content. "men drive the market" you're right again. Money will win every time. It's sad for me though! lol @fanofman: Yes, the good 'ol romance novel. I despise those! I read to expand my mind, or get involved in a believable, well-researched fiction. But romance novels... ugh... what a load of poorly written, poorly edited garbage! Videos on the other hand are great! 10 minutes or so, and I can move on with my life. Why waste hours reading something that serves no purpose? Just my opinion I guess... I would totally buy it too... that would be awesome. You know I have yet another idea for a video... what if it were a real story (like a romance novel) where you could get really attached to the characters and throughout the movie there were sex scenes? I bet some would like that. But me... I think I like just the sex part. @Jacco: I'll check those out, thank you. @GoreGoregirl: I've been looking at some vintage porn like you suggested and I'm unable to really see much of a difference between it and today's stuff. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 6:34AM ^ Try movies featuring John Leslie. His body occupies a good deal of the frame and he often can't contain himself in terms of how lustful he is. :) It is a subtle difference from what we have today, but the difference is profound nonetheless imo. I should also note, though, that I have been scouring 70s/80s porn for years now - it requires a sort of investment to find the goodies, and then you dig out those scenes. Leslie's scene from BAD GIRLS is one of those. [Link]
Slector Member 655 Posts 2/14	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 7:18AM No, I didn't miss the point. I completely understand what you are trying to get across. You asked why there isn't much porn that is produced that is "female friendly" and it has been answered, not just by me but by others here. Mostly, men buy porn, and most men don't want that kind of porn. What is produced is what sells. You go where the dollars are. If you can get a few billion people to buy that kind of porn, more would be produced. The truth is very few women buy porn, and if they do they don't buy much of it. How many women do you know that have a huge porn stash? You stated that you do not watch porn very often and that you do not want to pay for a subscription to watch what you want. That is the crux of the matter. I'm not trying to insult you (please don't take it that way), but you've answered your own question. There is romantic porn out there, I've seen plenty of it. Maybe you are just not looking in the right places, I don't know. Edited by - Slector on 9/6/2016 7:59:56 AM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 7:48AM ^ I didn't get the impression she was looking for romantic porn. [Link]
Slector Member 655 Posts 2/14	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 8:09AM I was simply using the term "romantic" to convey the type of porn she is describing. What would you call it? Oh, I don't know--maybe I DID miss the whole point. After going back and reading her first post several times, it seems to me that ALL she wants to see is men's faces. Here's a thought--do what a lot of us do; buy your porn and then edit it to fit your tastes. It's not hard to do, just takes a little time. [Link]
balbars Member 668 Posts 4/10	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 9:31AM I think that there is so few porn flicks in the way you asked because, it's market is not that big, porn industry if no other thing, has always explored any route to cut money, Playboy or Penthouse movies tried with small success that venue, Michel Ninn videos where a bit soft core. Some times my wife and I watch porn together, and from what she told me about her friends, whatever they want to watch depends on their moods, there are some directors that have tried porn for women, but they do not seem to do much films. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 11:28AM star_angel126 wrote: @ScottMcGowan: I would argue that women that do watch porn (for the most part) or venture into checking it out don't tell people about it or talk about it. Click to expand Now that I agree with, especially if you're talking about women over a certain age. [Link]

star_angel126 Member 20 Posts 9/16	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 1:43PM @GoreGoregirl: I will look that up tonight. Sounds amazing. @Slector: I don't know if I would call it, "romantic" porn lol. Sure that's enjoyable. All I want is porn where men are the focus. Period. Yes, I have been talking about being able to see his face, because that's very important to me. Facial expressions mean a lot. I wish porn were reversed and you had to struggle to see parts of a woman so you could understand! Men are more than just penises. There are lot of beautiful parts on a man, and there are a lot of beautiful men in the world. But rarely are attractive men in porn. They are super ugly more than 90% of the time. If they have a big dick and want to perform, they're in. What I don't get is the majority of men have no problem being exhibitionists! If unsolicited dick pics are any indication... So I don't see why the porn industry is having so much trouble filtering out the ugly ones... Porn is designed so that the man can fantasize that he is the one having sex with the woman. So a woman that wants to watch straight porn is going to have trouble. I keep mentioning it, and no one has responded. Could you imagine if there were POV videos from the woman's POV? Editing sounds like a good idea - if you want to change a 20 minute video to about 20 seconds... do you have any idea how much screen time a man's face gets? I think it's interesting that you are perceiving me as wanting ONLY to see men's faces. I just think it should be in the shot. Period. Usually if it is, it's a long shot of both man and woman. Think outside the box buddy! omg... totally didn't mean that as a pun haha [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 2:04PM star_angel126 wrote: rarely are attractive men in porn. They are super ugly more than 90% of the time. If they have a big dick and want to perform, they're in. What I don't get is the majority of men have no problem being exhibitionists! If unsolicited dick pics are any indication... So I don't see why the porn industry is having so much trouble filtering out the ugly ones... Click to expand Just because 90% of the men in porn are "super ugly" to you does not mean that viewers in general agree and that those men should be filtered out to match up with your specific tastes. Edited by - misspornUSA on 9/6/2016 2:05:25 PM [Link]
Dragon Sign Deactivated User 3381 Posts 12/13	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 4:25PM Maybe female having this issue should start create some market, or just somehow intervene. I believe eggs come prior to chickens. And no omelette without breaking a few. [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 4:31PM star_angel126 wrote: But rarely are attractive men in porn. They are super ugly more than 90% of the time. If they have a big dick and want to perform, they're in. Click to expand Putting aside what a person considers ugly to be very subjective and not something we can possibly agree on........ I am not looking for superstar looking men when I watch porn . I really don't consider any guys who are regular performers to be ugly looking. I accept them for who they are end enjoy the scene! The reality of porn is this VERY FEW men in this world can perform in porn, day in and day out,...... out of the men able to do this, very few will chose porn as a career. The vast majority of men who carry a big dick and think they can fuck for hours die on a porn set with lights, bitchy partners, crew, starts and stops, and demands to cum on command. ED Meds have helped, but still are not a solve all. Also, the life of a porn male sucks to be frank.. they don't make a lot of money, most of them are broke and couchsurfing or rooming together, etc.... the point being is, the talent pool is so small and it is so difficult to actually do this job, we are stuck with a small group of the same guys over and over and over again. Once a guy has a rep for performing, he is on call. A director loses a ton of money if some guy shows up and cant stay hard or can't cum and they have to pay everyone and call off the shoot. That is utter misery. So, they just call "the guy they know will get the job done" so there is not that risk. Gay porn has a lot more men that would be considered attractive; however, it is a much different industry, a significant portion of them carry HIV, and you can't just import them into straight porn so easily because even if they will be "straight for pay", passing the testing protocols would not work for many of them. So, your comment has some truth. If they can perform, they are in. The amount of men who can do this is so small if you get too picky on looks you will end up with a talent pool too small to support the industry. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/6/2016 4:38:13 PM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 5:20PM Care to back up your HIV statistics with any proof? [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 6:53PM Flash wrote: Care to back up your HIV statistics with any proof? Click to expand What statistics? I didn't quote any stats. I simply said a "significant portion" have HIV. I suppose you can quibble over how to define significant; nobody knows the numbers. There are enough gay performers out there acknowledging they have HIV, and enough bareback titles out there targeted at HIV positive consumers, for me to consider it a significant number. I am not sure you point? I am not saying anything that is not common knowledge already. Gay Porn allows HIV positive performers, "straight" porn does not and have more rigorous testing protocols. If you your test reveals you have HIV in straight porn, you are out. If you are a gay performer you can continue to make scenes either with condoms or other HIV positive performers. The reason I brought it up was her comments on looks, and I feel gay porn has a lot of great looking men; however, it is difficult to get them into B/G porn because of the HIV situation in their part of the industry. So, what are you actually trying to say? Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/6/2016 6:55:20 PM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 7:19PM I am questioning your statement of a significant portion. Using your criteria one could stayed a significant portion of the hetero sex industry has contracted HIV too. [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 7:58PM Flash wrote: I am questioning your statement of a significant portion. Using your criteria one could stayed a significant portion of the hetero sex industry has contracted HIV too. Click to expand What exactly are you trying to do here? Are you trolling me or trying to get me to stay something to get another mod warning? This is absurd. I was sharing why the gay performers can't just walk into hetero porn to grant "better looking men". That is it. Agree or not, testing and HIV is a barrier to entry for gay performers to cross. HIV positive men are allowed to perform with condoms or bareback with other HIV positive men Testing protocols are not the same as the hetero industry Many of the gay performers could not pass a test if wanting to work "straight for pay" To me, active performers being allowed to work with HIV, that is a number in the dozens (or higher if you really do your diligence).. to me that is significant... if that isn't for you.. awesome... different standards. 3 - 5 performers once every few years having to retire from hetero porn when contracting HIV is also significant (every life is significant). However, there is not a comparison here as they are different situations. I really don't get why you are derailing this other than to be annoying or something. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/6/2016 8:01:01 PM [Link]
Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 8:05PM My issue has to do with your statement about a significant number of gay performers. You entered it into this thread. You are the one to bring an adversarial tone to this. But now I am a troll and baiting you? Speaking as a member that is weak. Sorry. [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 8:36PM Flash wrote: My issue has to do with your statement about a significant number of gay performers. You entered it into this thread. You are the one to bring an adversarial tone to this. But now I am a troll and baiting you? Speaking as a member that is weak. Sorry. Click to expand And again, what exactly is your point? If you think that many active gay performers with HIV is not significant... awesome that is your opinion... why are you making an issue of something like this? I consider it significant, you feel that word is an invalid description. Other than once again trolling me, why have you derailed this thread into that discussion point? [Link]

Flash Golden Age Classic 11018 Posts 5/01	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 8:49PM Don't put words in my mouth. I questioned the fact that so many gay performers have AIDS. Now you have changed what I questioned ando put words into my mouth that I didn't say. [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 10:29PM Flash wrote: Don't put words in my mouth. I questioned the fact that so many gay performers have AIDS. Now you have changed what I questioned ando put words into my mouth that I didn't say. Click to expand I did not say they had AIDS.. Many performers have HIV. This is factual and many are out on the open about it. Many are not and we can't document that. So, again, what are you actually arguing here other than I think that is significant and you do not? [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 10:39PM It is a legitimate question. I believe Jefferey Escoffer in Bigger Than Life, his excellent history of gay porn discusses the rates of HIV in gay porn in the 90s and 00s but that book was published in 2009 so I don't know what the current rate of HIV in the industry is like. This article from 2014 seems to suggest that infections from on-set sex are at least as low as in straight porn, if not lower. Also this interview with Owen Hawk from 2013 gives some great insight into how the modern gay porn industry works. Seems condoms are industry standard still, which is what I've read before. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 10:43PM @OP. Tina Tyler did a series of male masturbation videos called Handyman where she talks to the performers off camera. Several are still available on DVD. [Link]
cubbiefanoc Member 474 Posts 4/15	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 11:23PM Feminist Porn Reviews is a good blog that has scene and movie reviews. The OP may be able to find what they are looking for by taking a look at the site. [Link]
fanofman Senior Member 2053 Posts 9/15	Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 11:42PM ^^^^Well, there's no scientific data to this but I found an article from 2012 where a porn producer stated that he estimates 50-60 percent of performers in the gay industry are HIV positive. Edited by - fanofman on 9/6/2016 11:43:20 PM [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 1:27AM fanofman wrote: ^^^^Well, there's no scientific data to this but I found an article from 2012 where a porn producer stated that he estimates 50-60 percent of performers in the gay industry are HIV positive. Edited by - fanofman on 9/6/2016 11:43:20 PM Click to expand There is no way of knowing percentages or raw numbers. However, there are a lot of them and they are accepted as performers. That is enough for, at least me, to say it is significant. Flash is just doing the thing he does to poke at me; take one word out of an entire dialogue (that in this case had nothing to do with the point I was making) and push on it in hopes of getting a reaction. It works, I love to react and toss things back and forth. However, it can be sad at times that he feels the need to do it. Well, moving on, let's not derail our friend's thread any further. [Link]
Slector Member 655 Posts 2/14	Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 7:21AM So let's get back to topic here. Now, correct me if I'm getting this wrong. From what I am getting from the OP, she wants porn where the camera just focuses on hot guys while having straight sex. Not much, if any, of the woman in the scene. I don't think that is EVER going to happen, because probably the OP and maybe five or ten other people would be the only ones to buy it. Why don't you just try cam sites where guys are jacking off? Or if, by some million to one chance, this thread convinces someone to make some like that--great, more power to you. But I really think doing your own editing is your best bet. That's what I do, and I'm sure I'm one of those porn watchers the OP hates, because I never EVER want to see a guy's face in the porn I watch. I edit that out, to the frame, exactly when his face comes into view, and then start back as soon as his face is gone. I like to fantasize that I am the one fucking those girls. I can't do that if another guy's face is in view. If you want to call that homophobia or whatever, that's fine, I don't care. The point is- I pay my hard earned cash for my porn and then I take the effort to get it to be the way I want it. To get what you want, you have to work for it. Just complaining about it won't change a thing. Edited by - Slector on 9/7/2016 8:16:40 AM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 9:03AM ^ Speak for yourself. Not everyone watches porn in the way you do. Straight male porn fans on this site (and elsewhere) have complained that men are depicted as nothing more than levitating penises, and have said they would like more porn of the type the OP describes. Furthermore, porn like this does exist. There isn't much, for reasons already explained, and in an economic climate like this people are reluctant to take risks. I find it strange that some people are either confused or apparently up in arms over the OP's query. It's really not that odd. To offer another suggestion, makelovenotporn.tv might be up the OP's alley. (And slector's suggestion about editing, while time consuming and not really getting at the point of the thread, is a pretty nifty one that is in a similar vein to the gif sites I mentioned). [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 11:16AM Oh, I just thought of another favourite of mine: CURSE OF THE CATWOMAN, which is directed by John Leslie. Not sure if it will be up the OP's alley, but this film is not afraid of male exhibitionism in the slightest. In my opinion, all things considered, it's the most erotic porn film ever made. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 9/7/2016 11:16:29 AM [Link]
Slector Member 655 Posts 2/14	Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 1:48PM Jesus Christ, I WAS speaking for myself!! Why is it that anytime anyone makes a post everybody tends to think that person is speaking for the world. It was MY post, it was MY thoughts. I wasn't trying to speak for anyone other than myself. [Link]
Simple Simon Senior Member 12302 Posts 2/15	Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 2:16PM ^ Well, to be fair, a lot of people do go on public forum's and basically say only what they like is what all porn should be; and what they don't like should be stopped/banned. And, the OP was effectively saying what they wanted, is what women wanted. On your point, I actually find the GGG films, and some amateur films, where the men wear masks, a bit difficult to watch. The only time I don't want to see the guy's face is when they're about to come. But as has been said elsewhere on this site, that's really an 80s thing. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 2:17PM Simple Simon wrote: ^ Well, to be fair, a lot of people do go on public forum's and basically say only what they like is what all porn should be; and what they don't like should be stopped/banned. And, the OP was effectively saying what they wanted, is what women wanted. Click to expand Indeed. [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 4:27PM Simple Simon wrote: ^ Well, to be fair, a lot of people do go on public forum's and basically say only what they like is what all porn should be; and what they don't like should be stopped/banned. Click to expand Welcome to ADT :) [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 5:19PM Goodness me. Sorry, didn't mean to piss anybody off quite that much. I did indeed think that slector was speaking more generally. [Link]
Slector Member 655 Posts 2/14	Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 6:20PM Yeah, I'm sorry for that outburst. I had just come home for lunch from a horrible day morning at work and I guess I was feeling a little touchy. Sorry 'bout that. But anyway, I truly do hope the OP finds what she is looking for. Honestly, I don't really foresee much of that kind of porn being produced simply because I wouldn't think there would be much of a market for it. BUT I could be wrong. Good luck to you. [Link]

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star_angel126
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Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 3:40AM

Alright, so I have joined this group for one purpose: I believe there is a side of porn that simply doesn't exist.
So, lots of sites advertise "female friendly" porn. This means it's not hard core or violent, generally speaking. There are Dane Jones videos, however and these are excellent.
HOWEVER, the majority of porn has WOMEN in most of the shots. It's about what a MAN sees and is attracted by while having sex.
Most of the time, the men featured in these videos (Dane Jones included) are barely even passably attractive. They don't have to have monster dicks, just normal penises are perfectly fine!
But there's nothing worse than *ahem* enjoying yourself while watching a nice video, and the camera cuts to a vagina or the woman's face. I want to see porn that feature what a WOMAN would like to see. Like men with big, broad shoulders and backs, THICK muscular (not perfectly ripped) but thick bodies, and more than anything, I want to see his FACE. I want to hear his sounds of pleasure, I want to see the look on his face as he strokes the body of a beautiful woman. I want to see a man really enjoying himself. I'm so tired of watching videos that assume I'm a man! lol!
I want to see a porn video with a beautiful man that looks like he's in love with the woman he's fucking. I don't want to try and masturbate to his sounds when he cums while I look at some girl getting cum all over his face. I want him to do it inside the girl, and I want to see that moment when every last ounce of his masculine energy releases into her. Who cares if he's wearing a condom or not? That's not the appeal!
It's that moment when he loses it all... like in real life, right before they collapse and ask you to bring them a drink of water, or some kleenex to clean up their mess, because they spent every last bit of energy they had on pleasuring you... and enjoying each other's bodies...
For me, it's so much about his face. And every guy I've ever given a blowjob to has said that women always look at their faces while they do it. Why? Because we want to know if they're enjoying themselves! I'm absolutely positive I'm not the only woman that wants to see her man's face when they're doing it.
It's time to ACTUALLY have female porn... and if it already exists, please god tell me where to find it... I really don't watch porn all that often, but when I do - that's what I want! Some REAL lovemaking. Because there really is a difference between "fucking" and making love. Some men fuck, some men make love. I've never met one that could do both.
Thanks for letting me post, and thanks to anyone that might read this :)

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Slector
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Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 4:52AM

I'm no expert on the subject, but it's probably because men buy 99% of the porn that is produced and men don't want to see that. For the most part, men just watch that kind of stuff when their girlfriend or wife want to watch porn with them. And then he will lie to your face and tell you how hot it is, when in reality he is just saying that because he knows that romantic stuff turns women on.
But there is stuff like that around. Google romantic porn or softcore porn.
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ScottMcGowan
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Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 7:43AM

star_angel126, I think you make a lot of valid points here. I wish there were more women out there speaking up for what they want (whether it's what you're describing here or something entirely different), and proving that there is a market for it.
Part of the problem, of course, is that porn studios are largely operated by and porn movies largely directed by, men. Both of which seem content to ignore the needs and wants of half the population. There are a few notable exceptions to the trend (Mason of EroticaX/HardX/DarkX and Jacky St. James of New Sensations/Digital Sin immediately come to mind), but that doesn't mean that they necessarily direct movies specific to a female audience.
Either way, I hope you find what you're looking for, and welcome to the board. :)
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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 9:03AM

I complain about this too. The majority of hetero-porn is afraid to show the male as a subject because they assume (rightly so, in a lot of cases) that the male viewer is going to freak out if they see a dude. It's safer to avoid it.
As a result, you have to either find gif sites that grab those special moments where the dude is visible, or watch gay porn, or watch porn from the 70s/80s (the latter two are my preferred choices).
There are pornographers making actual porn for women (and men who aren't scared of catching the gay) though. Check out Ms. Naughty's site Bright Desire.

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Flash

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Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 9:25AM

Check out Sssh.com. The site is run by a woman and is designed for women. The scenarios are submitted by members. I just reviewed their short Empowering Ava .

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star_angel126
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Posted - Sep 5 2016 : 11:41PM

@Slector: You have COMPLETELY missed the point. Let me ask you this, have you ever seen a POV video of a man performing oral sex on a woman? Do you really not see that the porn you watch is not meant for women? Can't see the forest for the trees I guess.
@ScottMcGowan: Thank you for your response. What I find very interesting is, there ARE women that are at the head of some of this production. They insist that they are for women and it's complete BS. They are making porn for men. What I can't understand is, why is it that a woman can make porn geared toward men, but men can't make porn geared toward women? Surely it's possible!
@GoreGoreGirl: Thank you!! Excellent source. Unfortunately, even when you "search" their site - there are three videos available for purchase. But this is EXACTLY what I'm looking for.
Gay porn - I've tried it. There are some very attractive men. But the anal play is a turn off for me lol. That and the fact that a lot of what I find attractive is the man's reaction when he's touching a WOMAN's body lol. Because then I can imagine it's me or whatever. That's the fun part of porn, right?
I'm going to look into porn from the 70s and 80s and see what I can come up with. Do you have any good sources yourself?
@Flash: looks great, but it appears you need a subscription. I'm not so into porn that I want to spend $100 every single year. I would just like to buy a movie or two and watch them over whenever I feel the desire...
Here's the other thing I was thinking today... A LOT of women view men watching porn as cheating, or don't like porn for many understandable reasons. I actually tried clicking around at some of the threads on here and I thought I was going to be sick with some of the stuff these men are into.
Anyway, my point is - if there was a good, solid establishment of porn for women out there, well-known and widespread - wouldn't it help men too? If you're woman is watching porn too, she can't very well accuse her man of cheating for watching it, right?
Anyway, I read that this forum has people on it from the industry and I was hoping that maybe one of those people might read this and think it's a good idea. I work in business and it really doesn't make any logical sense from a business perspective either. There's SO much porn out there for men, it's got to be a competitive market, right? Why on earth aren't there more people tapping into porn for women? And advertising like crazy... because I LIKE porn and I didn't even know about some of the things you guys recommended. It's a gold mine and it's pretty much uncharted... Anyway, those are my thoughts. Thanks for the recommendations. And if anyone else has any sources, I'm all ears.

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whatsatelephonebill
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 12:11AM

From what I remember, there are a few sites out there that feature hetero scenes, but are actually directed towards the gay male audience, so not as much emphasis is placed on the female performer. I want to say one of them was called Straight Guys 4 Gay Eyes, or something like that.

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misspornUSA
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 12:33AM

That's an extremely black and white way of looking at it. Following your understanding of "female porn" we'd have to conclude that even the women of Pink Label and Lust Cinema are only directing porn for men. In point of fact, women, including directors, have diverse tastes in porn, as do men. Is it your opinion that women don't actually like the porn they're directing, or that men alone are turned on when "the camera cuts to a vagina or the woman's face"?
I note that your definition of "female porn" is strictly hetero. So much for lesbian and bisexual porn. I mention this because it's relevant to the fact that you're not talking about "porn for women", but porn for a specific woman: you. That's fine btw, but it's something that should be cleared up before we move on. You're an individual consumer who has her own specific tastes. You are not all women. Just because you dislike or dislike a porn film/scene does not mean that that porn film/scene only or mostly appeals to men.
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Canadian_Cindy
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 1:14AM

I think she means "female porn" is her desire of what porn should be and is applying it to all women and thinking that is what we all want.
In saying that, most porn is produced in a way to appeal to the male viewer first, the female second. Why? Because a lot more men are likely to spend money on porn than women.
Porn that she is advocating is the topic of many unhappy posts on ADT (men being shown too much, etc)... so I can see how she may feel.
it is an interesting discussion for sure.
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star_angel126
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 2:53AM

That's an extremely black and white way of looking at it. Following your understanding of "female porn" we'd have to conclude that even the women of Pink Label and Lust Cinema are only directing porn for men. In point of fact, women, including directors, have diverse tastes in porn, as do men. Is it your opinion that women don't actually like the porn they're directing, or that men alone are turned on when "the camera cuts to a vagina or the woman's face"?
I note that your definition of "female porn" is strictly hetero. So much for lesbian and bisexual porn. I mention this because it's relevant to the fact that you're not talking about "porn for women", but porn for a specific woman: you. That's fine btw, but it's something that should be cleared up before we move on. You're an individual consumer who has her own specific tastes. You are not all women. Just because you dislike or dislike a porn film/scene does not mean that that porn film/scene only or mostly appeals to men.
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You're right I'm coming off like I'm blanketing everyone, and I am, but in the interest of simplifying what it is that I'm trying to say. So please forgive me if I've offended.
I'm certain the women do like the porn they are directing. But I also think that the kind of porn I have attempted to describe above is far less likely to be produced or directed by the kind of person that would be interested in it, so it is very limited. So far, all I have been able to find is what has been posted in this thread above.
All of this having been said, I have been known in the past to enjoy women in porn and IRL... but for those times when that is not what I'm interested in - and this is the majority of the time - I simply can not find what I'm looking for and I have found it to be incredibly frustrating.

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ScottMcGowan
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 2:54AM

I've read (though honestly, I don't remember where) that women's porn habits online are less about buying and trend more towards free content on tube sites - even more so than men. The article I read did nothing to speculate why that's the case (probably a smart move), but I can imagine a variety of reasons from privacy concerns to lack of value and simply not finding exactly what they want.
As far as women's tastes in porn, I wrote the following as part of a short article I wrote on our blog.
I've been kicking around the porn business since 2001 and have the ability to talk objectively about porn while not sounding pervy. As a result, women have often spoken candidly to me about their own tastes in porn.
What I've discovered is this.
.Women's taste in porn are as diverse as men's. The range of preferences I've heard runs from mild to wild and everything in between. I've known women who prefer porn featuring men in gay sex scenarios and those who prefer girls with girls or some threesome melange. I've talked to women who want to see simple things such as eye contact between the actors during the act of copulation. I've heard women discuss how they enjoy elaborate, and sometimes downright twisted scenarios (including those considered taboo). I've talked to women who fantasize, but are not interested in engaging in extremely rough and/or humiliating sex acts. I've heard women discuss how they want to see women in a position of power or aggression.
I've known those enjoy the concepts of Dominance and submission.
I've heard women say that they only wish there were more realistic looking people in porn engaging in more realistic sex.
The point is this.
There is no such thing as 'porn for women' because women are as diverse in tastes, experiences, motivations, and desires as men.
And anyone who tells you men-are-this-way, but women-are-that-way is either lying or stereotyping.

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star_angel126
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 2:58AM

I don't think that is what all women want, I know better than that. I do however, think that there is a HUGE untapped market out there. And that untapped market likely wants what does not exist. (again oversimplifying - it's like trying to find a needle in a haystack. I've been looking for years and so far this thread is the only source to any of this type of porn I have been able to find)
Amazing that men should complain about men being shown too much when women are looking at porn that is geared entirely for men. (again overgeneralizing and assuming everyone is straight. Just trying to simplify without constantly apologizing and explaining myself)

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star_angel126
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 3:05AM

@ScottMcGowan: What about those women that are completely disgusted and repulsed by the thought of porn? What about those women that call out their husbands for watching it and accuse them of cheating? The women that find their man's stash and toss it in the garbage? What about those porn haters? What if you could turn those people around and just get them to jump on the bandwagon?
Just a thought...

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star_angel126
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 3:13AM

Ok, and how's this for an idea: POV videos from a woman's perspective. Cunnilingus and/or sex. I would be impressed if someone could actually tell me that a video like this exists somewhere out there. Because I don't see why there wouldn't be a market for it.

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ScottMcGowan
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 3:15AM

Oh, I agree with you in the sense that the the female market has historically been ignored. You won't get a single argument from me on that.
As far as the porn haters you describe, I can only speculate that the reasons they despise porn to such a degree has less to do with what the porn business produces and more to do with cultural issues. For every woman who has taken their sexuality firmly in hand (if you'll excuse the pun), there are possibly dozens others who have been indoctrinated into the idea that 'ladies' don't sully themselves with active sexuality.
That trend is changing, to be sure. The very fact that we're having this conversation is at least some testament to that. But we have a long way to go, both in Anglophone culture and in the porn business.
This is a great conversation. It's actually *gasp* civil and interesting.
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 3:54AM

I don't think those women are worth crusading to get "onto the porn bandwagon" by investing in some different style of porn.
If someone has a deep rooted disgust for pornography, it is not something that can be changed simply by a different type of porn. That type would still be revolted at a beautifully shot feature movie with lots of hot men and women engaging in kissing and vaginal one on one sex. They just aren't going to watch it, period. And porn should not spend huge money producing dozens of scenes to convert the "porn is disgusting" crowd. I don't think any market should be investing in trying to convert those repulsed by their industry. I wouldn't call on the beef industry to come up with some creative commercials to get activist vegans to eat meat; waste of time.
What you described in your original post is not produced much. And, that likely is not going to change.
When it comes to paying for sexual things (porn, strippers, escorts, you name it); men win that one a million to one..... as such, they drive the market.
ANd to be frank, a lot of women watch porn to see stuff they don't get in their daily life. Romantic passion filled porn does not sell well, even to the female consumer.
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 4:33AM

Romance novels sell well (13% of adult fiction sold). The majority of romance novels readers (84%) are female. It would seem that romance oriented porn (focus on the men) with handsome, virile, well-built, sexy men and beautiful women might be appealing if marketed properly. It would be nice to see a company experiment with that. I sure would buy it.
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 5:16AM

You can try movies shot by Erika Lust, Petra Joy or Jennifer Lyon Bell, you might like them.
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star_angel126
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 5:55AM

@ScottMcGowan: I would argue that women that do watch porn (for the most part) or venture into checking it out don't tell people about it or talk about it. And for those that are just "taking a look" and perhaps not really interested in the actual idea of watching porn for themselves are likely repulsed and/or shocked by what they are seeing. I mean, how many women have never actually had an orgasm before? That's just how out of touch some women are with their own sexuality, it's sad! And then they expect men to just come along and "know" how to please them. What a ridiculous expectation! No wonder men just watch porn lol There's no pressure there, right?
And you're right it's a good chat. I quite enjoy meaningful conversation.
@Canadian_Cindy: very good point. You're right catering a business to people that are not interested and against porn altogether doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I was just playing devil's advocate I suppose. I do wonder though, if some might change their minds if they saw some more tasteful content.
"men drive the market" you're right again. Money will win every time. It's sad for me though! lol
@fanofman: Yes, the good 'ol romance novel. I despise those! I read to expand my mind, or get involved in a believable, well-researched fiction. But romance novels... ugh... what a load of poorly written, poorly edited garbage! Videos on the other hand are great! 10 minutes or so, and I can move on with my life. Why waste hours reading something that serves no purpose? Just my opinion I guess...
I would totally buy it too... that would be awesome. You know I have yet another idea for a video... what if it were a real story (like a romance novel) where you could get really attached to the characters and throughout the movie there were sex scenes? I bet some would like that. But me... I think I like just the sex part.
@Jacco: I'll check those out, thank you.
@GoreGoregirl: I've been looking at some vintage porn like you suggested and I'm unable to really see much of a difference between it and today's stuff.

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 6:34AM

^ Try movies featuring John Leslie. His body occupies a good deal of the frame and he often can't contain himself in terms of how lustful he is. :) It is a subtle difference from what we have today, but the difference is profound nonetheless imo. I should also note, though, that I have been scouring 70s/80s porn for years now - it requires a sort of investment to find the goodies, and then you dig out those scenes. Leslie's scene from BAD GIRLS is one of those.

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Slector
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 7:18AM

No, I didn't miss the point. I completely understand what you are trying to get across. You asked why there isn't much porn that is produced that is "female friendly" and it has been answered, not just by me but by others here.
Mostly, men buy porn, and most men don't want that kind of porn. What is produced is what sells. You go where the dollars are. If you can get a few billion people to buy that kind of porn, more would be produced. The truth is very few women buy porn, and if they do they don't buy much of it. How many women do you know that have a huge porn stash?
You stated that you do not watch porn very often and that you do not want to pay for a subscription to watch what you want. That is the crux of the matter. I'm not trying to insult you (please don't take it that way), but you've answered your own question.
There is romantic porn out there, I've seen plenty of it. Maybe you are just not looking in the right places, I don't know.
Edited by - Slector on 9/6/2016 7:59:56 AM

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 7:48AM

^ I didn't get the impression she was looking for romantic porn.

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Slector
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 8:09AM

I was simply using the term "romantic" to convey the type of porn she is describing. What would you call it?
Oh, I don't know--maybe I DID miss the whole point. After going back and reading her first post several times, it seems to me that ALL she wants to see is men's faces.
Here's a thought--do what a lot of us do; buy your porn and then edit it to fit your tastes. It's not hard to do, just takes a little time.

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balbars
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 9:31AM

I think that there is so few porn flicks in the way you asked because, it's market is not that big, porn industry if no other thing, has always explored any route to cut money, Playboy or Penthouse movies tried with small success that venue, Michel Ninn videos where a bit soft core.
Some times my wife and I watch porn together, and from what she told me about her friends, whatever they want to watch depends on their moods, there are some directors that have tried porn for women, but they do not seem to do much films.

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misspornUSA
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 11:28AM

Now that I agree with, especially if you're talking about women over a certain age.

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star_angel126
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 1:43PM

@GoreGoregirl: I will look that up tonight. Sounds amazing.
@Slector: I don't know if I would call it, "romantic" porn lol. Sure that's enjoyable. All I want is porn where men are the focus. Period. Yes, I have been talking about being able to see his face, because that's very important to me. Facial expressions mean a lot. I wish porn were reversed and you had to struggle to see parts of a woman so you could understand! Men are more than just penises. There are lot of beautiful parts on a man, and there are a lot of beautiful men in the world. But rarely are attractive men in porn. They are super ugly more than 90% of the time. If they have a big dick and want to perform, they're in. What I don't get is the majority of men have no problem being exhibitionists! If unsolicited dick pics are any indication... So I don't see why the porn industry is having so much trouble filtering out the ugly ones...
Porn is designed so that the man can fantasize that he is the one having sex with the woman. So a woman that wants to watch straight porn is going to have trouble. I keep mentioning it, and no one has responded. Could you imagine if there were POV videos from the woman's POV?
Editing sounds like a good idea - if you want to change a 20 minute video to about 20 seconds... do you have any idea how much screen time a man's face gets? I think it's interesting that you are perceiving me as wanting ONLY to see men's faces. I just think it should be in the shot. Period. Usually if it is, it's a long shot of both man and woman. Think outside the box buddy! omg... totally didn't mean that as a pun haha

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misspornUSA
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 2:04PM

Just because 90% of the men in porn are "super ugly" to you does not mean that viewers in general agree and that those men should be filtered out to match up with your specific tastes.
Edited by - misspornUSA on 9/6/2016 2:05:25 PM

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Dragon Sign
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 4:25PM

Maybe female having this issue should start create some market, or just somehow intervene. I believe eggs come prior to chickens. And no omelette without breaking a few.

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Canadian_Cindy
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 4:31PM

Putting aside what a person considers ugly to be very subjective and not something we can possibly agree on........ I am not looking for superstar looking men when I watch porn . I really don't consider any guys who are regular performers to be ugly looking. I accept them for who they are end enjoy the scene!
The reality of porn is this
VERY FEW men in this world can perform in porn, day in and day out,...... out of the men able to do this, very few will chose porn as a career. The vast majority of men who carry a big dick and think they can fuck for hours die on a porn set with lights, bitchy partners, crew, starts and stops, and demands to cum on command. ED Meds have helped, but still are not a solve all. Also, the life of a porn male sucks to be frank.. they don't make a lot of money, most of them are broke and couchsurfing or rooming together, etc.... the point being is, the talent pool is so small and it is so difficult to actually do this job, we are stuck with a small group of the same guys over and over and over again. Once a guy has a rep for performing, he is on call. A director loses a ton of money if some guy shows up and cant stay hard or can't cum and they have to pay everyone and call off the shoot. That is utter misery. So, they just call "the guy they know will get the job done" so there is not that risk.
Gay porn has a lot more men that would be considered attractive; however, it is a much different industry, a significant portion of them carry HIV, and you can't just import them into straight porn so easily because even if they will be "straight for pay", passing the testing protocols would not work for many of them.
So, your comment has some truth. If they can perform, they are in. The amount of men who can do this is so small if you get too picky on looks you will end up with a talent pool too small to support the industry.
Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/6/2016 4:38:13 PM

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Flash

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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 5:20PM

Care to back up your HIV statistics with any proof?

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Canadian_Cindy
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 6:53PM

What statistics? I didn't quote any stats. I simply said a "significant portion" have HIV. I suppose you can quibble over how to define significant; nobody knows the numbers. There are enough gay performers out there acknowledging they have HIV, and enough bareback titles out there targeted at HIV positive consumers, for me to consider it a significant number.
I am not sure you point? I am not saying anything that is not common knowledge already. Gay Porn allows HIV positive performers, "straight" porn does not and have more rigorous testing protocols. If you your test reveals you have HIV in straight porn, you are out. If you are a gay performer you can continue to make scenes either with condoms or other HIV positive performers.
The reason I brought it up was her comments on looks, and I feel gay porn has a lot of great looking men; however, it is difficult to get them into B/G porn because of the HIV situation in their part of the industry.
So, what are you actually trying to say?
Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/6/2016 6:55:20 PM

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Flash

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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 7:19PM

I am questioning your statement of a significant portion. Using your criteria one could stayed a significant portion of the hetero sex industry has contracted HIV too.

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Canadian_Cindy
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 7:58PM

What exactly are you trying to do here? Are you trolling me or trying to get me to stay something to get another mod warning? This is absurd.
I was sharing why the gay performers can't just walk into hetero porn to grant "better looking men". That is it. Agree or not, testing and HIV is a barrier to entry for gay performers to cross.
HIV positive men are allowed to perform with condoms or bareback with other HIV positive men
Testing protocols are not the same as the hetero industry
Many of the gay performers could not pass a test if wanting to work "straight for pay"
To me, active performers being allowed to work with HIV, that is a number in the dozens (or higher if you really do your diligence).. to me that is significant... if that isn't for you.. awesome... different standards. 3 - 5 performers once every few years having to retire from hetero porn when contracting HIV is also significant (every life is significant). However, there is not a comparison here as they are different situations.
I really don't get why you are derailing this other than to be annoying or something.
Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 9/6/2016 8:01:01 PM

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Flash

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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 8:05PM

My issue has to do with your statement about a significant number of gay performers. You entered it into this thread. You are the one to bring an adversarial tone to this. But now I am a troll and baiting you? Speaking as a member that is weak. Sorry.

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Canadian_Cindy
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 8:36PM

And again, what exactly is your point? If you think that many active gay performers with HIV is not significant... awesome that is your opinion... why are you making an issue of something like this? I consider it significant, you feel that word is an invalid description. Other than once again trolling me, why have you derailed this thread into that discussion point?

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Flash

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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 8:49PM

Don't put words in my mouth. I questioned the fact that so many gay performers have AIDS. Now you have changed what I questioned ando put words into my mouth that I didn't say.

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Canadian_Cindy
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 10:29PM

I did not say they had AIDS.. Many performers have HIV. This is factual and many are out on the open about it. Many are not and we can't document that. So, again, what are you actually arguing here other than I think that is significant and you do not?

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BlackSix

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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 10:39PM

It is a legitimate question. I believe Jefferey Escoffer in Bigger Than Life, his excellent history of gay porn discusses the rates of HIV in gay porn in the 90s and 00s but that book was published in 2009 so I don't know what the current rate of HIV in the industry is like.
This article from 2014 seems to suggest that infections from on-set sex are at least as low as in straight porn, if not lower.
Also this interview with Owen Hawk from 2013 gives some great insight into how the modern gay porn industry works. Seems condoms are industry standard still, which is what I've read before.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 10:43PM

@OP. Tina Tyler did a series of male masturbation videos called Handyman where she talks to the performers off camera. Several are still available on DVD.

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cubbiefanoc
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 11:23PM

Feminist Porn Reviews is a good blog that has scene and movie reviews. The OP may be able to find what they are looking for by taking a look at the site.

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fanofman
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Posted - Sep 6 2016 : 11:42PM

^^^^Well, there's no scientific data to this but I found an article from 2012 where a porn producer stated that he estimates 50-60 percent of performers in the gay industry are HIV positive.
Edited by - fanofman on 9/6/2016 11:43:20 PM

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Canadian_Cindy
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Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 1:27AM

There is no way of knowing percentages or raw numbers. However, there are a lot of them and they are accepted as performers. That is enough for, at least me, to say it is significant. Flash is just doing the thing he does to poke at me; take one word out of an entire dialogue (that in this case had nothing to do with the point I was making) and push on it in hopes of getting a reaction. It works, I love to react and toss things back and forth. However, it can be sad at times that he feels the need to do it. Well, moving on, let's not derail our friend's thread any further.

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Slector
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Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 7:21AM

So let's get back to topic here. Now, correct me if I'm getting this wrong. From what I am getting from the OP, she wants porn where the camera just focuses on hot guys while having straight sex. Not much, if any, of the woman in the scene. I don't think that is EVER going to happen, because probably the OP and maybe five or ten other people would be the only ones to buy it.
Why don't you just try cam sites where guys are jacking off?
Or if, by some million to one chance, this thread convinces someone to make some like that--great, more power to you. But I really think doing your own editing is your best bet. That's what I do, and I'm sure I'm one of those porn watchers the OP hates, because I never EVER want to see a guy's face in the porn I watch. I edit that out, to the frame, exactly when his face comes into view, and then start back as soon as his face is gone. I like to fantasize that I am the one fucking those girls. I can't do that if another guy's face is in view. If you want to call that homophobia or whatever, that's fine, I don't care. The point is- I pay my hard earned cash for my porn and then I take the effort to get it to be the way I want it.
To get what you want, you have to work for it. Just complaining about it won't change a thing.
Edited by - Slector on 9/7/2016 8:16:40 AM

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 9:03AM

^ Speak for yourself. Not everyone watches porn in the way you do. Straight male porn fans on this site (and elsewhere) have complained that men are depicted as nothing more than levitating penises, and have said they would like more porn of the type the OP describes. Furthermore, porn like this does exist. There isn't much, for reasons already explained, and in an economic climate like this people are reluctant to take risks. I find it strange that some people are either confused or apparently up in arms over the OP's query. It's really not that odd.
To offer another suggestion, makelovenotporn.tv might be up the OP's alley. (And slector's suggestion about editing, while time consuming and not really getting at the point of the thread, is a pretty nifty one that is in a similar vein to the gif sites I mentioned).

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 11:16AM

Oh, I just thought of another favourite of mine: CURSE OF THE CATWOMAN, which is directed by John Leslie. Not sure if it will be up the OP's alley, but this film is not afraid of male exhibitionism in the slightest. In my opinion, all things considered, it's the most erotic porn film ever made.
Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 9/7/2016 11:16:29 AM

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Slector
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Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 1:48PM

Jesus Christ, I WAS speaking for myself!! Why is it that anytime anyone makes a post everybody tends to think that person is speaking for the world. It was MY post, it was MY thoughts. I wasn't trying to speak for anyone other than myself.

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Simple Simon
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Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 2:16PM

^ Well, to be fair, a lot of people do go on public forum's and basically say only what they like is what all porn should be; and what they don't like should be stopped/banned. And, the OP was effectively saying what they wanted, is what women wanted.
On your point, I actually find the GGG films, and some amateur films, where the men wear masks, a bit difficult to watch. The only time I don't want to see the guy's face is when they're about to come. But as has been said elsewhere on this site, that's really an 80s thing.

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misspornUSA
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Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 2:17PM

Indeed.

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Canadian_Cindy
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Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 4:27PM

Welcome to ADT :)

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 5:19PM

Goodness me.

Sorry, didn't mean to piss anybody off quite that much. I did indeed think that slector was speaking more generally.

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Slector
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Posted - Sep 7 2016 : 6:20PM

Yeah, I'm sorry for that outburst. I had just come home for lunch from a horrible day morning at work and I guess I was feeling a little touchy. Sorry 'bout that.
But anyway, I truly do hope the OP finds what she is looking for. Honestly, I don't really foresee much of that kind of porn being produced simply because I wouldn't think there would be much of a market for it. BUT I could be wrong.
Good luck to you.

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