Yeah, I saw you in Butt Quest 3 and you looked really into it. That was my first time seeing you in action too. I was pretty pleased. I loved the outfit you wore as well,very sexy!

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Just kidding, hopefully nothing. I'm sure
all directors wish for the talent (the girls
& guys) had plenty of rest the night before.

Heard a little booze on the set before your
scene helps out sometimes.

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Ah, yes...liquid courage

I once had a pornstar tell me that she was plenty drunk during her scene with Ed Powers. She then said that she would like to thank the Academy.

The fact is that there are probably girls who are on something during their scenes. It's the ole drug issue. However, the only people fit to talk about that are members of the industry and I am not one. However, I honestly always assume that the girls are just like Kami or Melissa and are just exquisetly horny. How often am I wrong? I have no clue.

Kelly

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The funniest part was that it had nothing to do with the anal sex, it was for the vaginal sex.

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Edited by - Cognex on 3/20/2004 6:41:49 PM

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i do my job because i love sex, i don't need to take anything to get through it. if i needed to do that, i would just quit.

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One might wonder if the odds are higher that the male talent took a little viagra.

Finally, for those quick to criticize a girl for taking some Advil in this situation, consider that few college fratboys would ever consider being at a party without some beer to numb them. I'm not sure it's really all that different.

As for girls who aren't newbies at this sort of thing I think that practice, "stretching" exercises, and most of all knowing what to expect and how to deal with it as it goes along, is all much more useful than a painkiller if you are going to do a good scene and project "super-horny".

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I wouldn't have a problem with a girl who takes Advil or Motrin or something before a shoot because she's too sensitive, but having to take something to get over the "fear", to me means they're in the wrong business. And having to take something to get over REAL pain means they're just abusing their bodies.

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It's strange, over on the long running Teagan thread, the guys over there are talking about how they can see how painful her anal scene with Erik Everhard was, though they still enjoyed it (huh???). How do scenes like that make it all the way onto a final title?

Then again, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, I've seen more than a few looks of pain on the faces of actresses once the anal sex starts up in a scene, even though the women were fine during the vaginal sex part. What's odd is that I'll always mention this when I write a review of a DVD, and yet I rarely if ever see the same thing mentioned by a male reviewer. I'm not certain if they don't see it, or that they do but they feel uncomfortable writing this down for others to see.

Amazingly, no studio or director has ever written to me to tell me to revise my reviews and take this information out, and I've written these things at least 10-12 times. I guess even they know it's true, and know it's useless to dispute what I've observed.

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As far as pain "killers" and muscle relaxants are concerned. I would think most muscle relaxants would be a problem if the sphincter tone was relaxed and the girl thus had an accident. However, I would think the anticholinergic effects of Flexeril would actually increase the tone, despite what little autonomic activity was occurring. Also, an opioid agonist (e.g., Percocet, Vicodin) actually increase the tone of smooth muscle, skeletal muscle and sphincter tone, so it would only tear a girl up if she were to take those.

I'm not sure that there's anything wrong with some medication before a scene or after if one hurts, but it shouldn't get to that level, unless that is how she wants it.

Chris

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P.S. I must quote one of Gabriel Nine's better lines from this review of Assman 14: ... stupid shots of naked guys standing in line wanking like safari park chimps....
You're right, that's what the male actors often look like.

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yours
Renee

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Painkillers seem like a solution for inexperienced girls getting over their <fear of the first time anal>, but it´s no good idea further on. I hear some numbing lubes are used sometimes. It might help to get through harder anal pounding, but mental and physical training is a much better idea.

As a porn fan, I would never ask for medication, but a true committement to the job.

PS: Thank you Renee for pointing out that male reviewers seldom mention girls orgasms. This certainly helps to convey the impression of a lot of porn fans, that girls doing porn do have to get trough some torment (which can be releaved by drugs and painkillers only).

Edited by - Shameless on 3/24/2004 2:45:01 AM

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I don't know what's more disturbing, the number of gonzo flicks with that in them or that some reviewers are so jaded that they don't even mention it.

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I'm not sure I like the attitude:

"If a girl does not like to do anal, she´d better look for another job."

... and to say it is just about commitment to the job. I can think of plenty of non-anal performers that appear to be committed to their job, enjoy it, produce some damn hot scenes, and add to my enjoyment of porn. (Remember, you are the one that says you 'respect' your girls.)

As to the taking of something for pain, or trying to numb everything so it doesn't cause pain, I'm pretty much against it. If you feel pain, the body is trying to tell you something. Otherwise what do we do - wait for the blood to show up before we say "Houston, we have a problem"?

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I do respect any girls decision, at any time, including not to do anal, but I want to make sure she knows consequences for her career, job, health, etc.

Painkillers are no good of course; I was only advocating it in the vain of Tricia Deveraux in this tread. The disgusting bleeding example is just one more of this horror-stories some porn fans for some reason want to tell and hear again and again.

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I just do ask myself why some porn consumers want to have the feeling that the women they watch on dvd were actually abused, in pain on set etc.

Edited by - Shameless on 3/24/2004 12:28:17 PM

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I would say that's plenty of pressure on any actress to do anal, and to do it pretty quickly, whether it's something she wants to do or even enjoys.

Speaking of painful anal scenes, the worst that I've seen are the ones where the actress hadn't done anal before, and the actor (who in both cases was the director and producer) convinced them halfway through their vag only scenes to try anal. It wasn't pleasant to watch, and I wrote about this in my review of the title. The funny thing was other (male) posters here on ADT have raved about how this actor/director is so gentle and thoughtful with actresses when doing anal for the first time. NOT!!!!

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I'm also guessing that closing the eyes and picturing $$$ gets a lot of people through things they wouldn't normally do. Fear Factor comes to mind. And young girls having anal sex for the first time with big dicks and lack of proper attention prior to the act. It should take hours, IMHO.

I've seen scenes where the girl was obviously out of it -- and maybe it made me sad. It might make some guys rush out to get it. That might make me sadder. I might admit which camp I'm in, and you might believe me or not. Doesn't matter much to either of us in the long run, does it? If I made you think about it, I did what I set out to do.

Why do we enjoy other people's pain? Humans are violent by nature, as much as we like to pretend we've evolved past all that. Most people aren't happy when you succeed, either - they're resentful. Seeing you get yours, especially a cute thing that would never give them the time of day, might make their day.

There's a market for everything, we all know that. Thinking a girl is just so damn horny she doesn't care where you stick it is nice, but I doubt it's the rule or even the majority. I might wallow in despair that I get turned on seeing pain, but I don't look away. It's no wonder to me there are traffic delays when there's an accident on the side of the road, either. Humans are like that.

I'll keep my tasteless jokes to myself until the tension eases up some more around here. Somebody email me when things lighten up a bit. 'Til then...I really am taking a break.

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Ahhhh...validation! Vindication!

It's not like anyone takes me seriously when I threaten that, but it's nice to hear, anyway.

WHOOP! There it is...

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XOXO,
Pason
www.pasonxxx.com

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It's because of people like you, that directors rush around pressuring women to do more and more extreme anal stuff. I'll be frank here - You and others like you are partly to blame for this situation. Don't act all innocent and surprised about this.

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As to directors offering more money to a girl to do anal: Money is a good incentive, not to overcome pain, Renee, but to try out something new, to dare do something you might be afraid of a bit, because of cultural barriers, morals etc.

As to Shylock:
Shylock just knows the market he is running his biz in. He is just honest with his girls, that´s all.

Edited by - Shameless on 3/24/2004 8:49:21 PM

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I´d really like you to write once here about girls orgasms, only once, only at least to allow this possibility!!! - (and be it even because the girl is able to enact her rape phantasie in a safe area with professonal actors, like Sophia for instance).

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I'm glad the actresses who've responded so far have said their experiences with anal sex have been positive. But for some balance, re-read what Tricia Devereax wrote. Or go look up what Amee Donavan wrote in her last few posts, about the number of anal tears she's had. Or read the last two pages of the recent Teagan thread, where even the fans can see she's in pain from an anal scene. Or how about Chico Wang posting a few weeks ago about the DAP scene he shot of Crystal Ray, where she had to stop because of the pain. Fans here on ADT then asked him to include this as bonus material somewhere, which he happily agreed to.

Or, easier yet, go and read the reviews I've written, where I have stated when I felt that an actress has been in pain or discomfort. Just click on "Browse reviews" and search for my name under reviewer. I have written about painful anal scenes at least 15 times, and these have been in titles from a variety of studios. Not once has a studio or director contacted me to refute what I have written, and ask me to revise my review. I'm certain they know that my observations are correct. Either they don't care, or they figure this is the price of doing business. Either way, I'm going to keep writing what I see, so viewers won't be unpleasantly surprised the way I have been too many times.

I also don't hold actresses accountable for these situations developing. The director should be the responsible one on the set, and I would hope that if he (or she) is seeing that things are not going well, he would cut the scene short, or have the actress do something that is easier on her. Apparently, this doesn't happen so often.

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About anal pain - which 'behind the scenes' had the girl putting some cream down there to relieve the pain? This was mildly interesting, but not erotic. I think the damage was done from all the rubbage, probably got a raw spot. The scene went on about 18 of 20 minutes too long for me anyway.

I post this just to cast my vote that anal isn't everything. I could even make do with no more anal ever. And spare me the gapers. Jeezus.

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Seriously... how many girls enjoy eating cum out of someone's ass or ass gaping? Porn these days is becoming Fear Factor with sex. If you're not gonna do anal or other shit, it's not "don't do what you're not comfortable with", it's "get the fuck out, there's another bitch waiting in line who'll do anything I want her to."

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Still, what the hell good would it do for Kami to say "god, I hate anal, but what do you think, guys, do I look like I'm enjoyin' it?" Stick with your line. It basically works.

Anyway, enjoying your work might mean that you put up with the challenges, take the cash with a wink, and thank god you're not getting dorked by a bunch of drunk frat boys at parties for a sawbuck. Even the guys have to do SOME work in porn, and hell, they are getting good sex!

Btw, I edited to mention I was LMAO...

Edited by - abradarba on 3/25/2004 12:16:58 AM

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-Sane today, tommorrow..who knows!!

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Edited by - Plaid_Retina on 3/25/2004 12:49:49 AM

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Edited by - kami on 3/25/2004 4:05:07 AM

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Seen Teagan's 2 scenes for RLD. Was impressed
but she can do better. Hopefully she can take
on 2 BIG dicks at the same time slowly moving
her way to doing DPs on camera & even some
Big Black Guys on film.

Emphasis mine.
Basically, there are a huge amount of fans that don't care what the girls experience, as long as they get what they want. I guess these sweet young things resally are just pieces of meat in the regard of some -- I am just using the comment as an example not trying to single anyone out (so, apologies in that regard, but I felt the rhetorical comment was germane to the thread).

That said, I enjoy watching anal sex in these films, but it surely isn not mandatory in my book. If a girl digs it, fantastic -- otherwise, why the rush?

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It's true without doing anal you will have a though time
to make your income as prongirl nowerdays,
(unless you are so lucky to get an immediate contract with a major label)

but that doesn't mean you have to accept every kink some
idiots cry for. Just say no to DPP,DAP, swallowing, whatever,,,
if your not comfortable with it.
U say there will be other girls doing your job? well maybe, but can they
replace YOU ? It needs more than the physical ability to do a DAP to
get a hot performance that turns the viewer on.

the fans of extreme acts are the loudest here at ADT,
but they're noway the majority of pornwatchers.
different rules apply to cable porn, anyway.

So don't worry about if s1 here bitches at you for not doing this or that,
just don't give a damn, or if you feel like it strike back in some way.

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