Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Jan 30 2004 : 3:35PM
I just saw Harder Faster 3 and will have to report that the rear cover shows a scene that does not exist.
It clearly shows Trinity (or Mary as she was called in the dvd) doing a rcg dap as well as a cg dap (less clear). There is no dap whatsoever in the dvd except for the picture in the rear cover. Apparently, the editors of New Sensation decided not to include the dap for whatever reason. Such sloppy editing is not only unprofessional but also fraudulent. The rear box cover should never show a scene that was edited out. I bought a dvd I may not have bought otherwise. Harder Faster 1 was good but 2 and 3 are both disappointments.
I was thinking just last week how gay it is to do a double anal, double vag, or double oral, and how attractive the men who do it find each other. It clearly is the most homosexual act in heterosexual porn. Wouldn't you agree RonK ?
That may not be your thing, but your statement is a bit beyond the pale. Statements like that are usually made to start flame wars or posting battles, which we do not condone here.
It would be better to just keep it to your thinking and shrug your shoulders, and move on.
duly noted Don. I started my drinking early in the evening before taking off for the night so I imagine my sense of humor has little to be desired. Regulars should be fully aware I never post to offend or start "posting battles" but rather to inform or shoot the shit.
Regarding box covers with false advertising, it happens much to often and is a result of different departments within the production. It takes a dedicated Director to watch over every little specific development from filming to the final product hitting the shelves.
The industry knows full good and well how important box covers are.
A lot of customers still buy their adult movies the old fashioned way. They don't read reviews here at ADT (though they should), instead they look at the front and back of movies, and buy what appeals to them the most.
Whether that reason is a specific girl, director, or sex act doesn't matter. What does matter is that they're laying down 20-30 bucks for an adult dvd based on what the front and back cover show them.
It's actually a very legit reason to get pissed off.
On the other hand, in 5 years when everyone is simply downloading their new movies directly from a companies website, this issue won't matter anymore.
I feel your pain, ronk. Stuff like that shouldn't happen in a dvd from a main stream porn company. New Sensations and all the other big porn companies have to understand that those pictures on the dvd cover are v e r y important in order to make the final decision if we buy the damn video or not. cg dap, rcg dap, whatever. IF I see it on the cover, I Want To See It ON The Actual Video Too ...if the dap, dp, dpp or whatever is missing when I watch the movie ..it means only one thing ....that we wasted our hard earn money on a piece of crap. ..I'm sorry but there is no other way to say it. ...Ten reviewers can say the video is the greatest porn video ever made. ..but it will be a piece of crap for the one that bought the video based in this or that specific picture. ...Besides, there are some of us that buy those dvds the same day they are released. ...even if we look for a review before going out to buy the video. No reviewer is that fast. ...I didn't buy the NS video but ..Evil Angel is making those annoying mistakes again with the Christop Clark dvds, I didn't want to say anything the first time but twice in a row sucks. ..Hardball 22 has Maya Gold clearly getting a cowgirl dp on the back of the dvd case but guess what? ....yeah, you are right. No cg dp for Maya in the main video or in the extrafootage. ..I said, oh well shit happens. A few weeks later I get Beautiful Girls 13 and granted there is no picture of any dp with Kristina Blonde on the cover. ...so I wasn't expecting any. ...I get to my house, I insert the dvd to the dvd player, as always I check out the extras first. ..Surprise, surprise, in the pictures gallery I see Kristina getting a cowgirl dp in one of the pictures, nice! ..I say fuck the rest of the extras, I wanna see the main video now! .....but, yeah, you are guessing right........no damn cg dp with Kristina Blonde. ..I mean what the hell ...what's with the teasing? ...stuff like that sucks big time guys. ...I really wish I could be more forgiving but I don't receive screeners or rent my dvds guys. I pay full retail price for those videos.
a scene missing in todays age is nothing compared to the late 80's early 90's when some videos would have girls listed that werent even in the film.it was just a ploy to get you to buy the video, talk about fraud.
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Jan 31 2004 : 8:29AM
Very true. Even today, some companies produce dvds with box covers that are clearly fraudulent but I know which companies do that I avoid buying dvds from those companies.
What pisses me off is that the scene exists but some smart ass editor decided to remove the scene or else JYLC only took shots of the scene in digital still and not with video camera. Either way, such sloppiness is not acceptable by my books.
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Jan 31 2004 : 9:14AM
No Sbando,
Not that Trinity or I will be a heck of a lot more upset. That Trinity is a drop dead cutie. It is the Mary/Trinity who got daped in double anal plugged; she has a dark bleached blond look. Nice body but average face.
Why are Digital Sin fucking around with customers who are giving them hard earned cash ?
The main selling point for this series (based upon the excellent #1)is the double anal content, so why are these numb-nut editors screwing this product?
Digital Sin have been trying to create a new customer base by producing stronger, harder edged porn, but it appears no one told the editors the game plan.
I wonder how they will screw the 'Ass Wide open' dvd ?????????
You are right ,Hardz .The leCastel fans want see the hardest anal action and not that the editor cut the best scenes.I have ordered HF3 also but not received yet .J-Y. have told before some month ,that he have edited "Ass Wide Open" but the release date is now very late .I hope that the editor from Digital Sin not cut the scenes down .
If we talk editor/cutter vs director, I completely trust JYLeCastel. He is certainly the man who knows what to shoot to please his fans. The problem, however, starts as soon as his raw material gets delivered to a cutter with too a weak mind. Many cutters just do that job because they cannot get one in mainstream studios and dont genuinely care about pornography. So while JYL is hunting down new girls for his popular stunts, his great material is at enourmous risk of being polished byond recognition. This, however, does not excuse fraudulent covers.
To prevent misleading covers, if I was the Director of my films, I would take total control over everything: from shooting the movie, to what goes in the behind-the-scenes footage, & the artwork for the boxcovers. Who needs a third-party or the Art Department to create the boxcovers when they continue to fuck up. I'll use Photoshop & do my own covers.
"If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself"...
Companies who deliberately put out fraudulent or misleading covers are only screwing themselves in the long run, because punters quickly get wise as to who the worst offenders are, and as a result are more reluctant to give those companies their business.
Someone above commented on the misleading nature of many boxes in the video age of the '80s and '90s. Things certainly were bad then, but I think that on the whole things have got better in the age of the DVD - though clearly there's still room for improvement by certain companies.
...edited to correct some crap spelling!
As far as I'm concerned, it's just as easy to put the RIGHT picture on there as the wrong one - so why not just do it??
The truth is I'm surprised DS Director didn't repsond in this thread but he did in another Digital Sin thread. I think we fans have a right to know what happened here!
I also have the feeling Jean Yves is not being represented the way he should at Digital Sin, I mean his DVD's take forever to be released and now this fake boxcover not to mention DS Director only speaks highly of Johnny Darkko!
I wish Jean Yves would sign with Evil Angel where he would get the respect he deserves!
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Feb 3 2004 : 10:05AM
What can DS Director say anyway? Sorry but somebody else screwed up? Why does New Sensation bother carrying JYLC's titles and edit them as JYLC lite? This is the same problem that JYLC had with Private (although he is back with Private), and Woodman has with Hustler (where all the dpps and daps seem to get edited out -- recent thread about Vanessa Virgin's dap in Superfuckers 14 maybe have been edited out in the US edition).
It is not like nobody else is producing daps and putting a dap scene in a release will result in major prosecution.
I agree with you RonK and that's why I was surprised to see Lecastel sign with Digital Sin and Woodman with Hustler because both Digital Sin and Hustler are known for their softer adult movies and to me it's obvious these two directors are not allowed to make the movies they want otherwise why edit out all the hardcore stuff? It doesn't make sense.
Btw, Lecastel is back with Private?
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Posted - Feb 3 2004 : 4:34PM
One of the first porns I bought had milla on the cover with a pineapple in her butt, I watched the whole thing and no pinapple at all! I was furious! I don't know whats more wrong the fact that I really really wanted to see a chick put a pineapple in her ass, or the fact that someone shopped it to trick me!
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Feb 3 2004 : 8:30PM
I remember that cover. It looked like the Pineapple was photoshopped into Mila's ass rather than actually inserted into her ass. I know of mega large pineapples (bigger than a honey dew) where even Ty will have a hard time .
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Feb 3 2004 : 9:47PM
But would you settle for a tiny cherry? I would if I got to boff the babe .
Ron
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Posted - Feb 3 2004 : 9:56PM
of course, I didn't know it was a choice , that fucker at the porn store never tells me my options, 1.see big stuff in a girls ass(but NO pinapples) 2.fuck her yourself
Hustler has not edited any dpps and daps out of our Woodman titles. We'll look into SF 14, but as Pierre delivers an edited version, there's no reason for it to have not been released. Provided there is no violence towards the female performer, we keep it in.
Hi Ramsey-please see our most recent comment about our content standards. We simply don't edit out the hardcore stuff from these directors unless there's violent content.
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Feb 4 2004 : 1:52AM
Ramsey,
Private has an upcoming title, Xtreme Hole in One which is directed by JYLC. Whether he is directing a few titles for them or whether this is an older title he directed, I do not know, but it suggests that JYLC is at least partially back with Private. Hope this title is not JYLC lite.
LFP2003, please check on whether the Vanesa Virgin dap as reported by an European member of ADT is present in Superfuckers 14. I have stopped buying the series because all the daps and dpps seem to have been edited out.
Ronk ,I have seen Xtreme "Hole in One" and it was JYLC softcore.The next title is "Wanna cum for a ride".You can see the cover at xonair.com .It looks like a better one from the gape master .I think he have directed only a few titles for Private and now will Skeeter continue the Xtreme series.
I know we're getting off-topic here but how do you explain the fact that Woodman's movies at Hustler are A LOT softer than the ones he made for Private and they're not as good. It really seems like a lot softer. I can't believe Woodman decided to go softer so I'm wondering if Hustler has him on a leash. You have to understand that Woodman use to be one of my favorite director and I just want him to go back to what he was doing. He hardly shoots multiple guys/one girl scenes anymore for example and the quality of his girls is also going down IMO. He use to shoot the hottest girls when he was with Private.
I think these are olders Lecastel titles and like Gapelover said; they're Lecastel lite. Private killed Lecastel hardcore after they cancelled the Matador serie. It was truly one of the best serie they had, I'm so said it had to stop!I can only hope and pray he will put Bridgette in every movie he makes for Private :-)
Digital Sin have not responded to this thread, which is a shame because all they have to do is put the missing double anal scene on to the Harder Faster #4 dvd as an extra.
I remember Evil Angel doing something similar for one of the Animal Trainer dvd's that got screwed up.
The reason why I'm so bothered by this DAP removal is because it's a JYLC release and I love his work. To see his efforts watered down or play second fiddle to Drakko's work is an insult.
Just give us the missing scene on the next dvd and all will be forgiven.
One comment on this before we get even further off-topic. There is absolutely no leash on Woodman. We'll send you a list of the multiple guys/one girl scenes Pierre has shot for us. As for the girls, that's all something Pierre has full control over.
I also don't understand why Digital Sin decided NOT to reply to this thread, after all, it's their product and they should stand behind it, like lfp2003 is doing right now. Digital Sin director said in another thread he wants to learn from the fans how to make a better product, well.....lesson #1 would be: don't ignore your fans because they put all the money in your pocket, that's actually something most company owners forget. Thanks to us these people can drive the most expensive cars and live in the biggest mansions.Hear hear. I mean why sign a Master like Lecastel if you're going to make him a softer director? I mean why not just sign Paul Thomas instead? We Lecastel fans don't want a softer Lecastel. We want the biggest gapes and of course DAP's.Yes and of course keep all the hard stuff in from now on or let Lecastel sign with a better company who can represent him the right way!
I apologize for this late response. DSDirector planned on posting but he has been extremely busy this week preparing for next week's shoot with 50 Cent and G unit.
We never meant to exclude the DAP from Harder Faster 3, if it was done on purpose it would certainly have not been featured on the box cover, pictures which DSDirector hand picked. Basically there were some problems capturing the footage from that scene. Unforunately the editing took place while myself and DSDirector were both out of the office for a week shooting. The editor never warned us of the problem and finished the video, leaving out the DAP, in order to meet the shipping deadline.
We fully admit the oversight and apologize for it. As soon as we became aware of it we fixed the problem and began making a new dvd so that subsequent orders would not be affected.
Anyone who bought Harder Faster 3 and feels ripped off can send their copy back to our offices and we'll send out a new dvd containing the DAP and new BTS footage. In addition, following a suggestion in this thread, we're going to include this entire scene, DAP and all, as a bonus on Harder Faster 4.
We love JYLC's hardcore work and never meant to tone it down. Accidents can happen but overall we're not a company known for misleading our customers, and certainly don't want to become one.
Quinn Roberts Digital Sin
attn: Harder Faster 3 replacement New Sensations / Digital Sin 21345 Lassen St Chatsworth, Ca 91311
Poor Turkey running for her life with Christmas Hat 3713 Posts 9/01
Posted - Feb 5 2004 : 12:35AM
Hi Robert Quinn,
Will I get reimbursed for the shipping and handling since I was the one who caught the original mistake and the mistake was on the part of Digital Sin? I am cheap when I did not make the mistake. Also, how long will it take to get replacements and when will the new Harder Faster 3 be out? I am of the impatient sort and I want it -- like last week (when the original dvd was released as that is only very fair). I am a bit leary about sending stuff back having heard of Wally's nightmare in getting his dvd replaced, albeit from a different company.
Wow! Thank you Digital Sin for taking care of this problem.
Is the new Harder Faster #3 dvd cover different from the old one and how will buyers know the difference ?
I know that creating/printing a new cover could be costly so why not throw a big sticker on the new box with the writing........"Inc Double Anal and extra footage " ?
We'll check into these also. We're also set to do a promotion for Manipulation, Pierre's new feature. We'll get the cast info etc for you on this asap.
The "Wanna cum for a ride" movie are Lecastel as strong as in the Assman/Debauchery series .I was wondering because every scene have this beatmusic in the background .Britney's scene must be new ,because it was shoot in the same garden on the same chair than in Harder Faster 3 but she take 5 guys in the Private movie .Hot girls ,excellent gaping and a lot of ATM in this movie .Is Lecastel back with Private or did he have this scenes in stock for Anabolic/Diabolic ?
Actually I've not seen the US edition but this review from our friend Wally seems to confirm it has been edited out and replaced by some filler shootage.
In the euro edition (distributed by Anchora B.V., Amsterdam), she gets a quite long (almost 3 minutes) double anal after a doggy, rcg and cg anal.
Posted - Jan 30 2004 : 3:35PM