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Gore Gore Girl All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 10 2009 : 5:30PM

I was just reading a New York Times article about the decline in narrative porn (interesting - look it up), and Steve Orenstein noted an upcoming Wicked production called "2040" about the porn industry of the future. According to Orenstein, it's “an almost Romeo-and-Juliet story between an aging porn star and a cyborg.”
I suspect I'm late to this, but I'm throwing it out anyway. Here's info about it at [ invalid url ].
Excited...
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 3:44AM
Interesting...A kind of porn Blade Runner. I was impressed by the quality of the spfx in Upload so it will be interesting what they can pull off here.
john lyons
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Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 9:56AM
Hmmm...Could be interesting, but Fallen suffered from an over abundance of l-o-n-g sex scenes and an underdeveloped plot.
Too bad there's no chance this'll be shot on film.
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Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 11:25AM

True, but I can't help but look forward to it. I can overlook the fact it won't be shot on film if it's strong in areas of creativity/script. The cast is looking good too - Kaylani Lei and Kristen Price! Not sure which male performers are in it (other than Randy), but I'm hoping for Eric Masterson.
madeguy
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Posted - Jul 11 2009 : 5:35PM
I'm really looking forward to this movie already, the Wicked girls have been talking about it quite a bit on their Twitter threads and have posted some pics too.
It sounds and looks very promising and despite being months away from release it's bound to be a big contender once the AVN's come around
 
BlackSix All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 2:54AM
Unfortunately even mainstream Hollywood is hoping to stop shooting on film.
john lyons
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 9:34AM
^^But luckily we have Michael Mann to remind us how ugly video is.
Stud_Rob
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 1:42PM
Looks promising.
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Posted - Jul 12 2009 : 2:15PM
Roads To Moscow
Dianic

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Posted - Jul 15 2009 : 1:43PM
Hoping? You do realize many directors have abandoned film altogether, right? Even old-timer Sidney Lumet shot Before The Devil Knows You're Dead digitally. Robert Rodriquez hasn't shot on film since the original Spy Kids. I'm not endorsing the trend, merely pointing out its nothing new.
Getting back on topic, I was on-set for much of 2040 and posted a behind-the-scenes snippet with Kirsten Price on my site (it's toward the bottom of the first page).
It's going to be an amazing show.
jessica
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Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 2:02AM
2040 was SO amazing...we just shot the box for it over the last few days. the cast includes me, alektra blue, kirsten price, kaylani lei, mikayla mendez, alexis texas, marcus london, randy spears, brad armstrong, barrett blade,and more. while taking a look at what the adult industry could be like in the future, 2040 has cool special effects, robots, sex droids, helicopters, and lots of mainstream locations. we even have props from movies like AI, Bicentennial Man, Gattica, etc.
and yes, there are looooong sex scenes.
jeez. is someone REALLY complaining about a porn movie having sex scenes that are too long?? lol...is that like a beer being too full?
and did i mention ANOTHER DP from me?? and an anal scene with marcus london too. ; )
coming in september!
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Posted - Jul 20 2009 : 12:28PM
Nice, thanks for the update jessica, I'll be looking forward to checking it out.
john lyons
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Posted - Jul 21 2009 : 12:31AM
This all does make it seem very promising. X rated movies need more helicopter shots.
A standard bland porn movie with no plot or substance can have 2 hour long sex scenes, for all I care. However, when a lengthy sex scene is injected into a feature film, it tends to destroy the flow of the movie as a whole, unless the scene actually does something to develop the characters or further the story.
I've seen so many potentially great narrative X rated films (both old and new) destroyed by an either an over abundance of sex or over long scenes that, by the time they're over, have succeeded in taking the viewer so far out of the plot, it's a bit hard to just comfortably return to the actual narrative of the film.
Perhaps the greatest problem with overly long sex scenes is that usually the actors don't stay in character (no, calling each other by their character names isn't staying in character). This is detrimental even in shorter scenes, so when present in a bout of fucking which lasts longer than ten minutes (which is already quite long), the ambiance of the film as a whole is hurt.
Sure, one could argue that because it's "porn," that sort of thing doesn't matter. As far as I'm concerned, if you wanna make a good film, make sure all your elements work in making it as much of a quality piece of cinema as possible, "porn" or not. Too much sex is often a real mood killer... ;)
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Posted - Jul 21 2009 : 2:19AM
With DVD and Blu-ray is seems to me that the solution is to have a 'feature cut' of the sex scenes with an alternate 'extended sex scene' cut and even 'all sex scene' cuts available for the viewer to choose.
john lyons
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Posted - Jul 21 2009 : 8:53AM
Now that's smart thinking!
 
juha
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Posted - Jul 21 2009 : 3:40PM
VCA had a "wall-to-wall"-option on its feature DVDs.
I agree it would be cool to have short sex scenes that support the story and don't interrupt the progress of the movie.
An option to watch the feature without the sex and an option to watch the short sex scenes wall-to-wall.
And on a second disc all the sex scenes in extended versions.
I'm glad we have this discussion and Jessica is participating.
I want the sex to fit into the story. And I prefer to watch the performers to fuck in character. Story and sex are two elements that are equally important for good feature porn.
Damfino
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Posted - Jul 27 2009 : 12:08AM
Hey everybody,
I been thinking that a story-driven feature ought to have two cuts on the DVD: One is the usual 'Feature Cut' or 'Director's Cut'. This is what we have now. It should be the best the director can do in telling the porno story. The second cut would be called the 'Masturbator's Cut.' It has only and all the unabridged sex scenes. The Masturbator's Cut can easily be longer than the Feature Cut since the scenes are unedited.
Besides the obvious reason, the second reason is to protect the feature. What I've noticed is the same as what that NYT article says. The feature industry has shifted pretty dramatically away from story-driven to vignette. Vignette articulates best with the web-site delivery but the problem for me is that DVDs have become more like a alternate deliverly mechanism for a group of vignettes. I want to see the feature industry retake possession of the DVD as the medium for feature porn. Right now the current concept of 'feature' is getting damn close to 'masturbator's cut.' The main idea of having an official Masturbator's Cut is to give the feature enough protection so that it can be a true feature. If you had a separate Masturbator's cut, you could leave the feature as a feature.
For me I've almost entirely switched to vignette web sites this year but I'd like to go back to DVD! I bought only one DVD all last year. What I especially miss is the indie style character-driven comedy. I emphasiaze: CHARACTEER-DRIVEN.

I'll give one example. One of my favorites is 'All About Keri' starring Keri Sable. "All About Keri" was a homage to the indie flick 'Mistress' starring DiNero and Robert Wuhl. DiNero played a rich guy and Wuhl played an aspiring/failed young director. He gets financing from rich guys only if he agrees to cast each rich guy's mistress in the movie.
'Mistress' did the conventional thing: Each mistress is a Drama Queen and only added to Wuhl's headaches. 'Keri' brilliantly turns it upside-down. Keri is literally an 18 year old porn star but she is the only adult in the movie! The guys are both acting like children. She is the only one who has the maturity to pull the guys through it. A huge part of the sexiness comes from the character that she is able to create through the whole movie. A good character like that contributes hugely to the fantasy.
The deal is, you can't understand her character at all just from watching only all the sex scenes in the picture; it is a 'larger' concept that comes from her performance as a whole. From the whole feature.
so what I'm looking for some way to protect 'character-driven' as a unique product of the DVD medium. When feature guys go entirely vignette, we lose the character-driven aspect that used to be in some of the story-driven pornos.
--Damfino
madeguy
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Posted - Aug 1 2009 : 7:51PM
Just watched an excellent preview scene from the upcoming 2040. It features Jessica, Kaylani, Mikayla and slightly bizzarely a prosthetic doll (presumably some sort of android).
Anyway, if this scene is anything to go by then this movie is shaping up to be something outstanding. Said that we should look out for it later this summer, hopefully that means next month!
Roads To Moscow
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Posted - Aug 19 2009 : 7:14PM
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Posted - Aug 20 2009 : 12:31PM
I saw this yesterday on their website - looks super cool. Something of a Stepford Wives feel to it.
Roads To Moscow
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Posted - Aug 21 2009 : 2:41PM
DAF1740
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Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 12:35PM
^Could this be the first porn film inspired by Wong Kar-wai? I mean androids, futuristic costumes, a title just 6 years off 2046 (perhaps for copyright issues?)... Just a thought.
madeguy
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Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 5:00PM
Any news on a release date yet?
Roads To Moscow
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Posted - Aug 27 2009 : 6:50PM
madeguy
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Posted - Aug 29 2009 : 4:07PM
Box cover is up at Adultdvdempire, looks great
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Posted - Aug 29 2009 : 8:59PM
etc etc.
That first cover is truly awesome - Alektra Blue looks amazing (she's doing a really good job of looking like an anabot).
liloleme
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Posted - Sep 18 2009 : 4:52PM
Hardcore trailer is up at adultdvdempire.com and it actually looks hot.
My question is when will Jessica Drake get a DP that is NOT part of an orgy scene so the focus can be on her and not shifting wildly from shot to shot, person to person?
trip66
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Posted - Sep 18 2009 : 5:48PM
^I agree. This is ridiculous. We need a scene with her and just 2 guys for a DP. I can't stand orgy scenes.
Girlyman
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Posted - Sep 24 2009 : 12:33AM
It must be good. They got a helicopter.
jessica
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Posted - Sep 25 2009 : 1:23AM
i think you're right. it's about time. i'll work on this.
jdnumberone
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Posted - Sep 25 2009 : 7:22AM
jd is the current best actress by far. I will suggest you to get into interracial scenes, and then you will be a legend!!
liloleme
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Posted - Sep 25 2009 : 2:37PM
Jessica I know that Wicked is story driven in its direction but a similarly themed concept as the Dark Side series from Jules Jordan or the Dirty Girl with Kristina Rose from Elegant Angel could surely be done by Wicked with you as the centerpiece. You deserve the attention as you have carried Wicked on your back in many ways over the last few years and we as fans deserve it too because despite our own dislikes as Gonzo fans with the Wicked way of porn we have followed you. You are one of the 3 or 4 hottest performers of the last 10 years and it is time you were recognized as that and let the Gonzo fans who have not seen you see that as well.
john lyons
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Posted - Oct 9 2009 : 3:37AM
OK...Watched this one today...
Is it just me or is the old adage about the X rated world holding true more now than ever? Just throw money at something and people will think it's "good." Of course, that's true of a lot of Hollywood garbage too.
So 2040 really, really wants to be a good movie. It really tries to be a good movie, but there's something so stupid and contrived about it and, despite its seemingly noble intentions, is still only a very noble failure.
Before I explain what I didn't like, I must really compliment Marcus London for his genuinely riveting performance. His acting is terrific and [unfortunately] makes the really awful acting on the parts of most everyone else in the movie really stand out. I also found the premise rather intriguing, though it wasn't as fleshed out as it could have and should have been.
Now, what I disliked. First, the cinematography, while certainly looking much more polished than your average fuck-film, but it still has a really cheap feeling about it, due mostly to the piss poor lighting and awful flat video look. In fact, my biggest problem with the movie as a whole is how cheap everything looks. From the plastic looking "robots" and "futuristic" devices to the fact that characters are often shown in big empty rooms, to the almost complete absence of exteriors, the entire production feels like it's trying to look big budget but actually only cost a few grand.
That said, I give a lot of credit to director Jonathan Morgan for actually seeming like he wanted to create a worthwhile movie, even though the results were far from great.
And...Since I somehow forgot to mention it, this 3 hour movie has just over 2 hours of sex...Yikes!
Edited by - john lyons on 10/9/2009 3:41:21 AM
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Posted - Oct 9 2009 : 8:39AM
First 8th Day, now this...sigh.
The sex/narrative ratio is disconcerting, and the cheapness is something I was already worried about. I'll still be watching it though.
MindCrime2
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Posted - Oct 9 2009 : 7:32PM
It's a Brad Armstrong movie, not a Jonathan Morgan movie, John Lyons.
I liked the movie, perhaps not the best acting, but let's be realistic: If you are as hot as most of the ladies here, AND you are a great actor, you don't suck cock for a living.
 
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Posted - Oct 9 2009 : 8:44PM
^ Give me a fucking break.
Goodspeed
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Posted - Dec 26 2009 : 5:46AM
In an interview Kristen Price says she squirted for the first time on camera in the orgy scene but according on IAFD she's not in the orgy scene. To anyone who has seen this, is in in fact in the orgy scene and can you actually see her squirting? Thanks in advance.
Roads To Moscow
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Posted - Dec 29 2009 : 4:54PM
Hi Goodspeed, if Kirsten says it was her first time squirting on camera, I believe her. :-) I can't recall immediately if it appears in the scene as released, though.
The iafd entry is incorrect if it says she's not in the scene; she definitely participated in the orgy. I was on-set for this day of shooting and even posted a very brief clip of her that I shot just before the action began.
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KirstenPrice
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Posted - Dec 29 2009 : 5:34PM
I was and I am.
I still need to watch the extended orgy sequence in the 2040 bonus features to see if my squirting is featured prominently.
But if you're really a squirting fan, just wait for my upcoming feature The Watcher. My scene with Marcus London makes 2040 look like a dry spell! Haha!
♥KP
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Posted - Dec 30 2009 : 12:49AM
Thanks for the replies. Now I will be checking out both 2040 and the upcoming The Watcher.
Painless
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Posted - Jan 2 2010 : 8:00PM
Looks really bad. Honestly, except for Randy, I don't care about any of the actresses. Besides, when porn tries to take itself too seriously, it usually flops. At least "Pirates" had very strong comedy elements (and a bunch of fuckbunnies that I like :). This one doesn't.
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Posted - Jan 3 2010 : 9:43AM
^ The best feature I've seen in a few years took itself pretty seriously (Cry Wolf). I don't think that's the issue here if 2040 does indeed suck.
Roads To Moscow
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Posted - Jan 5 2010 : 1:52PM
^^^ GGG, email your shipping information to danielroadstomoscow@gmail.com and a review copy will be sent to you before we leave for AEE.
Good, bad, or indifferent, I would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.

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Posted - Jan 5 2010 : 2:10PM
GGG, let us know when your review is up. After XonAir screwed me on my preorder I didn't order it again based on comments in the forums. Especially if there is a decent plot to it.
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Posted - Jan 5 2010 : 4:23PM
Address mailed! Thank you DM!
And I will be sure to let y'all know when my review is done - I'm looking forward to watching/writing about it.
Roads To Moscow
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Posted - Jan 5 2010 : 4:34PM
^ Shipped. I look forward to your thoughts. Flash, feel free to reach out as well if you still wish to review it.
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Posted - Jan 6 2010 : 9:24AM
I frigg'n LOVE the covers/posters posted above! Two of my favorite things... Porn and cyberpunk!
I might even try to get it, before I read a review of the action, and I ALWAYS wait for reviews! LOL
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juha
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Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 6:51PM
Really interesting review. Thanks.
I might add a thought on the casting in regard to this passage:
"Yet, at the same time, Mira's exceptional status simultaneously hints that only the special "anabots," the high-class "anabots," who are more advanced and talented than their peers earn the right to be treated with such empathy. If this is the case, what does this suggest about the "toasters" such as Alexis Texas' anabot in the beginning of the film? Are these women more easily disposable?"
A current gonzo it girl embodies the "toaster".
A former gonzo it girl and current contract girl embodies Mira.
Is this a comment on the different labour conditions?
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Posted - Apr 3 2010 : 7:04PM
^ Kudos juha. Very astute.
Glad you liked the article!
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