Are there any genuine full lezzies in mainstream porn? When I say that, I don't mean girls who bisexual or only do women for porn. I mean girls who are true screaming lezzies in real life as well as porn. Topic Moved by - killbillvol69 on Aug 21 2016
The only real lesbian I know of is Lily Cade. There have been others who have claimed to be bordering on full lesbian but then further down in their porn careers they tell us they will be doing guys from now on. I definitely can't name for sure who is really bisexual. I guess it's a secret they keep close to their hearts. If any. But yeah, I guess there are Jenna Sativa, Shyla Jennings, Elle Alexandra - those who I might be persuaded really do like girls as much as they like guys.
Elena Woods is also a lesbian. I heard that Dani Woodward is a lesbian irl, only straight for pay. As far as performers that prefer women over men, I think Cherie Deville and Reena Sky have said that. But I'm not sure if that's personally or professionally.
Anyways, the only actual out Lesbians in mainstream porn who have shown as much by not performing with men as mentioned before are Lily Cade, Serena Blair, and Ellena Woods. The next tier down are bisexual women who have actually had/have relationships with women off camera like Georgia Jones, Elle Alexandra, Charlotte Stokely, Sara Luvv, etc. Below that are bisexual women who enjoy women on camera but rarely off-camera and tend to have men at home. And I personally don't subscribe to the "Straight for Pay" theory. If a "Lesbian" is doing dudes on camera, I'm sorry but that sounds like a closeted bisexual to me, with perhaps a preference for women. Edited by - Aya on 8/20/2016 3:35:33 PM
^Oh no, "Gay 4 Pay" is real. That's why those types of girls make horrible G/G scenes because they are not into women. But the handful of alleged Lesbians in straight porn are indistinguishable from your average B/G performer. Whereas women not into women can't believably fake it, the same logic I think should apply for women not into men. But all these "Lesbians" really seem to really enjoy taking dick, and I don't think anyone is that good a performer. Which is why I think they are "reverse bisexuals." That is, they prefer serious romantic relationships with women, but enjoy having sex with men. But for some reason they insist on calling themselves Lesbians.
^ I think you need to reread everything you typed in that post, because it sounds crazy. Especially the term "reverse bisexuals". Even in quotes it sounds nuts. Gay-for-pay is either as real or as fake a concept as straight-for-pay.
^I re-read it, makes perfect sense. Are you not familiar with the common behavior of the vast majority of bisexual women? They have only sex with women but serious relationships with men. So a Reverse bisexual simply switches the genders. Ok, to simplify it then, the term normally used is "Bisexual-Homo-Romantic Gay for Pay and Straight for Pay are the same concept in theory but not in practice. I simply believe there is no one who is either 100% Gay or Straight that can pull off a convincing performance with a gender they are not attracted to. Straight men in Gay porn at least have the luxury of using drugs to pull off scenes.
^^Or perhaps your standards of what makes a good/believable performance are much lower than mine? ^I can't be any clearer than I was before. I can't help it if it's beyond the scope of some.
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Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 12:09PM
Phew! Now that experience was a real nightmare! Sorry about my "absence", but I've been having some technical problems! I've yet to visit her thread, but is she "gay for pay", "straight for pay", or is she genuinely bi? I've only seen her in lez vids, so I'm guessing she's a pure lez and just doing guys for the cash? Believe me, there is much more to my original question than it seems.
^^ I don't think what you're saying sounds crazy because it's unclear. I'm pretty sure I understand what you're trying to say, it's just nonsensical. Starting with the fact that there's no such thing as a reverse bisexual, since calling someone bisexual in the first place doesn't say anything about which gender they actually prefer. And I think you vastly underestimate women's ability to act like they're enjoying sex, and overestimate your ability to tell whether or not they are. Porn acting in general is almost always over-exaggerated for the the camera (because that generally plays better than underselling it), so any baseline for "actually enjoying it" that is based on watching porn is out of whack in the first place. Or more to the point, it really isn't that hard for women to pretend to enjoy sex on camera with men. Especially since I'm fairly sure orgasms are more a physical reaction than an emotional one.
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Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 2:25PM
Basically, the reason for my original question, I think is rather interesting, especially to guys who also like TS with girls, like the ones seen on Kink. It came about after I saw a classic clip on the Net with two real girls lying on a bed having a conversation. The kinky thing is that they both had cocks, one of which was massive! I know the cocks were fake, but it was certainly a sexy concept. That got me thinking about some bi girls who've either acted like or even said that they'd like to have cocks. Angela White said in one of her early Aussie vids that she'd love to have a real cock, although only temporarily. So what about full lesbians getting cocks to do both each other and other TS girls? And I emphasise again I'm talking about lesbian girls with cocks, not guys with tits. Wonder if that's ever happened in porn, sexy lezzies getting bolt on cocks to bang each other and bi-girls? It's a thing I'd love to see in porn! Edited by - Big Bush on 8/22/2016 2:25:53 PM
^^^ I hope you realize how misogynistic and borderline homophobic you sound here. "Reverse bisexual" is not a term that has ever existed until you said it. There is no "common behavior" for bisexual women. Preference doesn't matter when it comes to bisexuality. If someone is attracted to both sexes but prefers one over the other, it doesn't mean anything different than someone that is equally attracted to both. If a male or female identifies themselves as gay, nobody else has the right to question their sexuality. Women are way more capable then men at faking the pleasure they get out of something, but porn is acting at the end of the day. I can guarantee you that male performers don't always like performing with some girls and vice-versa, but the still do their job and make it seem like the time of their lives. I've never slept with a man before, but if my job was to do so, I could make it look like I only have ever had eyes for cock. As for straight male gay performers, it could indeed be a little more difficult to make it convincing, but it's a job and like any other, they are paid to make it seem like they love it.
^^We can play nice and act as if the basic definition of Bisexual applies but it simply does not. The vast majority of women, especially in porn, who identify as bisexual only enjoy sex with women and have serious relationships with men. This is so common that it's very rare for to find a bisexual woman who actually has a preference for women over men. So I maintain that the term "Reverse bisexual" is a valid identifier for these rare women. And I have to think you vastly overestimate women's ability to act like they're enjoying sex, and underestimate your ability to tell whether or not they are. I agree it's much easier for them to pull this off with men, but not with other women. Because if we are being honest, the women's enjoyment isn't exactly a priority in B/G scenes or to B/G fans. Frankly, the usual going through the motions gimmicks that work in most B/G scenes don't tend to work in G/G scenes. Which is why many popular B/G stars can't just walk into G/G and be successful. But on the otherhand B/G fans are happy just to see a G/G star take a dick. Which is why weak G/G performers are able to do well in B/G by just waiting a little while before crossing over.
Big Bush: Don't say "guys with tits". That's trivializing the identity of those transgender women. Also, your fantasy you just described doesn't seem to be connected to thread you started. Why would someone have to be a lesbian in order for it to be hot to see them strapping on a toy of some sort and fucking other women? Edited by - killbillvol69 on 8/22/2016 3:21:40 PM
This is a stereotype that bisexual people are pretty vocal about dismantling.
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Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 4:18PM
I was asking because, just say Malena Morgan is full lesbian in reality, I'd make that suggestion. And I'm not talking about strap-ons, but rather lesbian girls getting ops, just like TS guys getting boobs. I'm not trivialising anything, just making the distinction the best I can.
This bolded statement statement does not jive well with this one:You agree that it's easy for women to fake enjoying a scene with a man, but you don't think these women are lesbians because you don't think they're that good at faking enjoying scenes with men?
Who knows? There are female performers who are bisexual and performing scenes with men and/or women. There are heterosexual women who are really good at performing scenes with women. There are heterosexual women who are bad at performing scenes with women. There are lesbian women performing scenes with men and/or women. Edited by - fanofman on 8/22/2016 5:02:35 PM
Did Georgia perform with a man? When? Also you noticed she was badly faking even when she was in a real life relationship with Faye Reagan? Edited by - LCF on 8/22/2016 5:05:47 PM
^ I know,I was ironic , in fact that contradicts his first statement that a real lesbian shows that she is so by not performing with men, she never did AFAIK so she fits his definition. Edited by - LCF on 8/22/2016 5:10:27 PM
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Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 7:19PM
If we're okay with pigeon-holing people by their sexuality and identifying them as gay, straight, bi, etc why are so many people offended at the idea of further categorization? Regardless of whether it is a majority, or a minority, there are bisexual women who date men, but fuck women. The percentage doesn't really matter. There are also women who do the opposite and date women, but only fuck men. If Aya made a mistake it was identifying one as "the norm" and then calling the opposite "reverse." Just because no one (that I'm aware of) decided to attach a specific title to those two groups (that to be very clear, do exist) doesn't mean we can't have a discussion about them like adults. More to the point if we can't identify these differences by name how can we have an adult conversation about them?
^ Because it is not OK for anyone to pigeon-hole someone's sexuality, regardless of their orientation. What a person's preference in their personal life is in any walk of life isn't anyone's business. Not everything needs a label.
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Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 10:19PM
^ and that's fine if you feel that way, but considering the context of the discussion presupposes an acceptance of the term lesbian (which many people have no issue with even if "lezzie" isn't the preferred nomenclature) we've already started categorizing people. If you reject the term "lesbian" you probably don't belong in this particular discussion in the first place. The question I posed wasn't if it's okay to label people. The question I posed is since we've already started labeling people, why arbitrarily draw the line at "bisexual"?
^ Because there's a difference between a label someone puts on themselves and a label that you place on them, and then there's a difference between you placing a label on them and you rejecting the label they've placed on themselves. What Aya is veering towards doing is basically rejecting the labels some of these women have placed on themselves and replacing them with a label that he gets to determine instead. Not to mention that purity tests, in general, are bullshit.
I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06
Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 11:54PM
^ That may be true of things like race/ethnicity as there is a great deal of ambiguity in the terms used. What Aya did was categorize people on their behavior and their is much less up for debate there. And her categories aren't so much rejecting the ones that people have chosen for themselves, rather clarifying them. But as far as I'm concerned how people chose to identify themselves is largely irrelevant. I can identify myself as a purple unicorn, but it isn't going to change anything. For people in my personal life they can self identify as whatever the hell they want, and I don't really care as long as they aren't a shitty human being. People in my professional lives can self identify however the hell they want as long as they don't suck at what they do. Strangers on the internet can self identify however they want and I don't really care anyway because its the damn internet. In the big picture most of these labels are pointless anyway. But we aren't talking about the big picture here, we're talking about people fucking on film and whether or not those people are actually enjoying themselves. (at least that's what I took from the OP)
^This whole post is basically rejecting the label they've placed on themselves (lesbians) and replacing it with his own label (reserve bisexuals) based on his opinion on how much they're actually enjoying a scene they're getting paid to act like they're enjoying. So, basically, them being good at their job makes them not lesbians, no matter anything else they may have to say on the matter. Especially for the g/g only performers, if these women want to call themselves lesbians and only have sex with women on camera, then I don't see the point of making any distinctions otherwise except as some sort of purity test. And if they want to say they're lesbians in their personal life, well, the vast majority of us don't know enough about their personal lives to determine whether that's true or not, and scenes they're being paid to do shouldn't act as some sort of determination either. Edited by - whatsatelephonebill on 8/23/2016 12:19:51 AM
Malena is not, nor ever claimed to be, a lesbian. In fact, some female performers/ ex-friends sniped about RK giving the welivetogether job to a girl who really wasn't into women. Thankfully for the viewer, Malena put on a great show almost every week which is all that matters.
Which is precisely why I only have a passing interest in a star's true sexuality. I watch, I enjoy or I don't. I don't particularly care if a girl does g/g as a 'gay fo pay'; it's the performance that counts for me - it's all fantasy after all. I would, however, be astonished if Malena did not enjoy sex with women. I re-watched her scene with Dani Daniels in WLT 28 in which she brings herself to orgasm while Dani licks her ass; if she's faking then I'm Robert De Niro.
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Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 8:05AM
I've yet to visit her thread, but is she "gay for pay", "straight for pay", or is she genuinely bi? I've only seen her in lez vids, so I'm guessing she's a pure lez and just doing guys for the cash? Believe me, there is much more to my original question than it seems.
