Other than Jake Malone's Bitchcraft series, G/G porn is pitiful these days. Girlfriends films and sweetheart video, have take over the G/G market with their soft/weak G/G scenes. where are the Bruce Seven fetish G/G rough sex kind of movies? all i see is this soft stuff. its all over the place. will someone besides Jake please start shooting a line of movies like this? its sad to have only one guy willing to do it.what has happen to hardcore/Hardedge fetish G/G porn?
In my opinion, the g/g videos are either too soft or too rough. I would like to see something in between....somthing with lots of intensity, hardcore sex, TONS of spitting, but LOTS of deep wet kissing and body contact, as well.
I would even go for the in between sruff. but there is not even enough of that these days. the onlty thing new i see come out this all this soft crap form Sweetheart or Girlfriends films. they are everywhere. these porn directors either dont care what fans think. or they are out of touch. i want more fetish G/G rough sex movies.
Hi Babby, Have you ever been at the "lezlove" forum ? Most of the forum members there prefer the softer stuff and it seems that Girlfriends Films and sweetheart films get influenced by them. I can understand that many g/g fans want to see some emotion but these people are a little too focused on build up and story, which I couldn't care less for. I just want to see some raunchy and realistic sex and kissing between 2 women, preferably with TONS of spit everywhere...even piss and other stuff. I just can't get into the rough and violent stuff. I certainly agree with you about all those soft movies being made. Belladonna comes out with a few decent scenes , every now and then. Bruce Seven had some good stuff but there was never enough kissing or body contact in his movies....too much oil and fingering. Most directors concentrate too much on certain things like anal or dildoes but they always leave out other good stuff that's important , like LOTS of realistic kissing and body contact. Some movies have lots of kissing but it's the useless kind of just tongue touching with no feeling. Darkko can possibly make an amazing g/g video....maybe even Joey Silvera. I have yet to see somebody really take the bull by the horns and explore that area where extreme hardcore meets emotion. I may not have put into words properly but , hopefully, you know what I am refering to. :) Edited by - spitty on 1/30/2010 11:43:10 AM
Yeah... You are absolutley wright.. allthough my idea is that Bitchcraft is too rough.. almost no kissing and the girls act that they hate eachother in stead of wanting to fuck eachother. Like spitty writes.. there must be something in between. not soft but also not too rough. Jay sin is the best but I really miss the 3-somes and I hate the east european girls. Yes they look hot.. but they don't seem to be into the action most of the time... and wait for orders from the director. Girlfriends films and sweetheart video are terribly soft and yes.. it is a pitty that they rule the market... However.. alot of folks will reply with.... that's what the market wants. I think Bruce Seven is crying in heaven
All you guys make good points. and there is a market for this soft stuff. my point is that, there is way to much of it being shot these days. all im asking for is someone with the touch of Bruce Seven and Bionca. scenes like this on my blog. http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll
well everyone has a different view. i actually prefer too rough or too soft , i don't like the between . too soft as you said you have plenty stuff in the market but the too rough is very very rare. i love the bitchcraft series but i want to see much more hard spitting , slapping (with hands not whips),squirting/pissing , forced foot action , barefeet action ,forced ass/pussy licking , trampling/smothering. on the other hand i want less makeup , less clothing (rubber , latex , more full nudity), less boots/stocking/shoes , less whips and ballgags. i actually wants to see the girls the way they look in girlfriends films with all the rough action. as for kissing , i don't really care unless it's forced kissing which i love to see but you have to mix it with hard spitting (spit on her face and kiss her- that's hot).
Loop, you are right on the money. the scene there is just not enough rough sex G/G sex scenes.Jake Malone Bitchcraft series is all we have. the rest is filled with Soft G/G. there is a market to the kind of movies we want Loop. but the directors just will not shoot these kind of scenes. here are the kinds of scenes i want.scenes like the one between Sandra Romain and Annette, in the movie slutwoman. where Sandra dominates dominates and destroys Annette. or a scene like the one in Fuck Slaves, where Sandra puts Sasha Grey on her knees. i want these kind of scenes.
As someone who watches soft girl-only non-anal porn almost exclusively, there is definitely a market from those who don't want rough videos. When you say directors don't care about fans or out of touch, that's simply not true. It's not that soft productions have taken over the market, it's that hard productions are not selling as much. For something hard, have you checked out Christoph Clark's Top Wet Girls line from Evil Angel? A different title out there is No Boyz Just Toyz from Parliament, lots of spitting & anal toying (but not at all like the circus stuff in Jay Sin titles), certainly an in-between title. The only retailer that carries it is buyeuroporn.com , I don't know it's just very different, was nominated for an AVN award how bad could it be? Edited by - just_me on 1/30/2010 12:47:02 PM
Agreed. If there's wasn't demand for it, there simply wouldn't be as much. It's a profit game. I'm okay with emotional G-G scenes, as long as they eventually pull out a fat 2-3" diameter dildo or plug and use it on each other's asses ;) I'll pass on the spitting. G-G things that I like: double ended dildo grinding, enthusiastic and heavy tribbing/scissoring, big strap-ons, and anal in any form as long as it's just not fingers and tiny pencil vibes.
In my opinion, nobody can get their pulse on it because there are too many different and specific tastes. Producers and directors don't want to lose money so they play it safe, for the most part. Most of what we see is identical and trends rule the market. It's funny how the Japanese can make so many movies and cater to so many fetishes but we can't do that here. I guess that it's simply a cultural thing. I still believe that there are 2 elements that directors can add in decent amounts, to pretty much any type of g/g video, and few will complain.... and they are the following : 1. LOTS of very deep and authentic looking french kissing. None of that soft fake bullshit....the girls must pour it on. 2. A moderate amount of body to body contact (ex. tribadism) There's plenty of time in any scene to include these 2 elements no matter how rough, moderate, or soft a scene is. If it's done right, everybody wins.
more rough lesbian porn means women will be reluctant or afraid to do porn. the "soft" g/g market is a welcome haven for performers who want sex, not circus acts or bruises.
That's the problem I'm having. G/G is either, what I like to call Torture Porn, where it's just abusing women (like Jake Malone) or it's too slow/soft (Girlfriends Films). I'd like an in-between. Some of Viv Thomas' stuff has analingus and anal at least, as does some of Marc Dorcell's (even if it's a bit artsy). Just almost impossible to find a merging of the two that keeps it hardcore but still erotic. Christoph Clark's new series "Top Wet Girls" is probably the closest, followed by a some of Jay Sin's stuff (although a lot of it is more circus act, but at least it's slower and the girls seem to be enjoying it). Once in awhile Belladonna will also surprise me with a scene that's actually erotic. Girlfriends Films does have some kinkier stuff (analingus, anal, A2M, squirting) but it's very little and very far between. Unfortunately it seems there is almost no middle ground between the fetish/abuse and the softcore/slow stuff. I'd love to see the two extremes merge and give us some hardcore, yet still erotic stuff. Some normal outfits, a short scene/story setup, followed by some erotic lovemaking that devolves into some nastier stuff. I just think most directors seem to think that if you like anal or A2M (which I do), then you must also like slapping, spitting, hitting, choking, etc. Likewise if you do not, then you must want very slow lovemaking softcore stuff. That's why there's the huge extreme and no middle ground. Edited by - evilmonkey on 1/30/2010 2:57:27 PM Edited by - evilmonkey on 1/30/2010 2:59:27 PM
I could care less what you think about me Shadow115. my opinion on the state of G/G porn will not change.try staying on topic. this thread is not about me. Boy do i miss the days of Bruce Seven and Bionca. and the days of Kym Wild.
spitty, I make some G/G movies... http://evilangel.com/title/1000008904 http://evilangel.com/title/1000008609 http://evilangel.com/title/1000007466 More coming in 2010... thx, jonni
Believe it or not, i have all those movies. love the scene with Marie Luv and Lexi love. Darko you do very good G/G. its what i call in between. but its good G/G porn.much better than this soft stuff.
Hi jonni, Thanks for the info. I have seen them and they were decent. :) For your new g/g flicks, any chance of increasing the amount of deep kissing, M2M spitting, and body contact ?
I'm happy that there are studios who finally understood there's a market for less circus-like g/g scenes. They're however still a minority so why anybody would complain about a lack of scenes with a more aggressive vibe is beyond me.
Jonni.. please make more 3-some scenes. I love two girls working on a third party..Kissing, licking etc. And please with some usa girls because the east european girls only go thrue the motions.
are you kidding me? belladonna's hard gg movies sell like crazy . jake malone said on his thread that the bitchcraft series is one of his most successful series that's why he release it much more often than other lines (what other line of jake reached vol. 8?). the thing is that directors just don't like to see hard gg action , they are more interested in seeing hard bg action (that's 99% of porn) , they don't really care what you and i like - they just shoot what they like . i don't blame them for that , but if they start to be more open minded they can make much more money from new things/fetishes. the good example is jaysin (love him or hate him) - he shoot different porn , start making new fetishy lines (spitting , strange ass play, winking , enemas etc)and he's one of the most successful director right now.
It is true that Belladonna's and Jake's movies sell well, but Girlfriends sells extremely well. Girlfriends produces a lot of movies and they get a lot of repeat customers. Jacco
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I'm guessing because the majority of people like their pleasure to pain ratio to greatly favor the former. I like kink and fetish porn as much as any other pervert, but in the end, I want to see hot sex. I mean, circus porn can be hot occasionally in a nihilistic, fuck the world kind of way, but I'd take a great orgasm over gory showsmanship any day. I do own a few copies of Bitchcraft, but the porn that finds its way back to my dvd player frequently is more often than not of the more sensual variety.
Your movies are good but they would be much hotter without the toys! Most lesbian fans don't like toy use in every scene for various reasons. Please have a look at this topic if you don't believe me: Why do people dislike toys in G/G porn so much? Also it is probably true that toys aren't a selling point for lesbian movies. See Girlfriends Films for example and others that continue to sell well.
you're missing my point , i didn't meant that soft gg sell less , i know it sells well , i myself buy girlfriends films. but while you have so much soft gg to choose from (girlfriend , viv thomas , triangle, zero tol. etc) you can hardly find a good hard gg movie out there , that was my point. those of us who like hard / rough gg action don't ask for less soft gg , we ask for more hard gg movies.
Right on the money Loop. we hardedge fans have very few choices. (Jake Malone is it)Belladonna is OK. but her movies has got soft too. and way to many toys. i just dont get these directors.
I like intensity but the super rough hardcore shit where girls get smacked, abused, and flogged/whipped to the point where they are crying and humiliated is not my bag. I don't care for abuse. I care about eroticism and chemistry. That is what real sex is to me, and like others here I like the in between g/g porn that isn't too rough, but not too soft either. I like the spitting and the hair pulling, and extremly dirty talk, and even some smacking if both girls are into it and clearly enjoy it (see Melissa Lauren and Sandra Romain in "Lick Between the Lines" for the best example) as long as the girls are both into each other and deliver onscreen chemistry. I only watch Evil Angel mostly so I'm watching Darkko, Jay Sin, Bella and Jake - and they do the best hardcore g/g in the biz. But still there are certain things that we the viewers want out of g/g scenes: *kissing - there needs to be more kissing, more tongue sucking, more kissing with spit also. More close ups of the girls lips and tongues kissing also. The Japanese NAIL this when it comes to their movies, so why the fuck can't we? *spitting - there are so many creative things girls can do with spitting and drooling and Jay Sin knows this, more directors need to follow his lead, the man has vision and his movies are my personal faves. *contact - Spitty has it right, the girls need to touch each other more, the viewer needs to see that there is a connection between the girls and that they are truly into each other during the scene. I would also like to see more tribadism in g/g porn. *strap on/dildo play - we've all seen 2 on 1 scenes where the two girls share a dick and maybe (sometimes) the one girl gets underneath the girl blowing to catch her spit, why can't this be done in g/g porn, I want to see 2 on 1 g/g strap on/dildo scenes like this. Usually in these g/g scenes you simply get one girl deep throating the dildo and drooling up a mess on the floor but usually the girl is just solo, there should be another girl there to clean up underneath! Why not add another girl to the mix and make it an actual 2 on 1 scene? There are creative things in porn that still have yet to be done, this is something you simply don't see in g/g/g porn but do see in b/g/g porn. *chemistry - the big one for me is chemistry. If both girls barely touch each other and are just eating pussy or ass the whole time, you never get the sense that these girls are into each other or that it's believable. You need to see them kiss, to grind, to talk dirty when they are face to face with each other, shit I love that when they are looking right at each other and non stop dirty talk from both while making eye contact which is then followed by kissing usually or spitting, you need these elements to get that real sense that these girls are into each other. It feels like they are just going through the motions when the girls eat pussy, eat ass, and then finally kiss at the end of a scene, it's fucking robotic and boring. This was 99% of all g/g porn in the 90's, I thought I was watching the same movie over and over because it was so formulaic.
i want the performers to enjoy what they do. if they are spitting and pulling hair just to please some guys who demand it and collect a paycheck they might as well be wearing paper hats and saying "do you want fries with that?"
as long as the girls are enjoying themselves, why would spitting or hair pulling be a problem? they aren't doing it for the paycheck, if you've seen these girls, they do it because they truly enjoy it. There's a g/g spitting thread started by loop here at ADT and there are MANY porn girls in that thread that have stated they LOVE spitting. If they didn't enjoy it, I wouldn't watch it. Which is really what I was saying in my other post. Edited by - Smut Robot on 2/1/2010 7:40:05 PM Edited by - Smut Robot on 2/1/2010 7:41:21 PM
and what is wrong with asking a director to give us what we want? "do you want fries with that" hell yes, I watched porn in the 90's it was boring, the same movie over and over, in the last decade things picked up and we finally have different types of porn to watch now as opposed to then. This has to do with different directors and their style of porn they film. I want fries and a Hersheys Sundae fucking pie!
Nonesense Justice44.there is a big market for the rough sex kind of porn. like some have said in this thread. the directors could care less what we rough G/G fans think. they are going to shoot what they want too.(soft G/G and Anal)that all they know. the market is flooded with this stuff.Justice44, just because directors wont shoot rough sex fetish G/G. does not mean there is not a market for it.you are wrong!
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Posted - Feb 2 2010 : 4:42PM
What is missing are the double scenes which begin with true full hardcore G/G action followed by a guy joining for a threeway which includes more serious G/G action. It seems these days that these scenes always have the guy or the dumb ass director jump in way too soon. What would be great would be all out gonzo GG with the scene moving to a guy rather than strapons.
I am not saying there is not a market for it. I am simply saying rough sex is not mainstream. Do you think rough sex appeals to the vast majority of adult viewers?
Smut Robot....I couldn't put it any better. You nailed it. :) Hopefully, some director out there is reading this and thinking about it. I am positive that a video, like you described, would do well.
Retitle thread to: G/G porn is dead to me until I use my brain and my eyes and realise there plenty of movies out there that cater to my tastes, I'd just rather complain until they magically appear in front of me than look for them
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I agee 100%. G/G production seems to be at an all-time high. Exclusive vendors with extensive catalogs exist like Triangle Films, Girlfriends, L Factor, Sweet Heart, and others, in addition to series from some of our favorite super smutty gonzo directors. Edited by - bootymeister on 2/4/2010 11:10:17 AM
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