Reviewers Recommend Lesbian Trainer 4 (Sweetheart Video) - review by Captain Jack Director: Mike Quasar Starring: Serene Siren, Desiree Dulce, Blake Blossom, Kate Dalia, Gal Ritchie, Addison Vodka, Cami Strella, Taylor Wild. Read review
I've noticed a significant number of people here on the forum who hate seeing toys in girl/girl scenes. I've never even really paid attention to it, let alone been bothered by it. What is it about the toy issue that bothers people? For what it's worth my wife and I have a huge toy chest so perhaps that's why I never noticed when porn stars used lots of toys.
B/c it smacks of artificial sexuality. That these girls are content to just jam plastic into each other instead of being ocntent to kiss, fondle and do realistic pussy/ass eating.
My guess is that they've only been exposed to the worst of girl/girl porn out there, specifically dvds from the major U.S. labels... ugh... Toys are great, but not when they dominate the scene and the director has the girls acting like mechanical robots shoving the dildo in & out, in & out, in & out the whole scene
I like to enjoy the girls, not the toys. It detracts from the eye-candy appeal of all-girl material, as far as I'm concerned. Typically, I don't watch all-girl porn. But, if I find the girl(s) attractive, I will. Toys usually result in FF and next chapter, unless they are very, very classy and used properly -- which almost never happens! Edited by - BigBobxxx on 12/1/2009 3:00:34 PM
I prefer licking, but strapons are good. I'd rather see lots of 69 and trib than dildos and vibrators. But I make an exception for Fucking Machines at Kink.com. I do not like kissing in g/g videos. I tried making my own videos 6 years ago and filled up about a dozen 90 min digital tapes. But I couldn't keep my mouth shut and kept talking and talking, which really ruined my videos. It devolved to me doing oral sex on the girls I hired, and eventually I didn't even take my camera! And on and on. I once took two strippers to a motel and I brought three strapons. It was hilarious. Strapon fucking exhausted both of them in a matter of minutes. And they they couldn't stop giggling! I still have the videos. I only watch two DVDs with a girl from West Virginia. I had to play country music for her and she insisted on wearing masks, so each week I'd get her new and more strange looking masks.
I find it defeats the purpose. If I want to see penetration, I might as well watch boy-girl. Also, in some of the scenes where toys are used, the girls barely touch each other, which makes watching a complete waste of time.
I keep wondering why mainstream studios don't get that most people dislike toys. The only company that understood this is Zero Tolerance thanks to Mike Quasar! It's probably because most studios don't care for their g/g stuff anyway. And g/g releases from mainstream companies seem to get rarer and rarer these days which is not surprising since there are many dedicated g/g companies and they are much better at this. Edited by - Prophit on 12/1/2009 4:31:42 PM
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Posted - Dec 1 2009 : 4:43PM
Yeah, I find toy use generally dull. It's essentially non-contact porn; if I had to, I'd prefer to see toys used in a solo scene as it's the girl using them to get herself off. In a two-girl scene, it makes the second girl look superfluous. I like to see skin-on-skin. That's basically the answer. I watch very little g/g anyway, and that's usually the last straw; I don't watch porn to be bored.
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Posted - Dec 1 2009 : 5:31PM
Someone said it already, it's mostly not the general dislike of toys, but the way they're used in so called mainstream porn studio movies, so that the girls don't have to touch each other because they just don't like it but need the paycheck. With that being said, I'm not the biggest toy fan even if they are really incorporated into a scene and delicately used, it's just not my thing. After being on different forums over all those years some girls who really like girls also really like toys, others don't who rather feel the other woman with everything she's got so to speak. If you "grew up" with that horrible 80's and 90's G/G porn, where toys are constantly used with girls who clearly don't wanna come near each other, one inevitably develops a major dislike for toys in G/G scenes. I do like the occasional strap-on action though, cowgirl e.g. so that the girls are close together and kiss each other while one is riding the other. And I also like strap-on anal, that's really hot, but still, there has to be a lot of kissing and other good stuff in the scene. This <iHotAndMean</i scene w/<bRachel Roxxx</b & <bRachel Starr</b has a very hot toy sequence (third pic with the purple toy). It's double headed so to speak, no dildo though, more a blend of strap-on and dildo which is inserted on both ends. I would really love to see more usage of that toy.
Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself! Although I would like to add, it almost feels like you are watching a transexual have sex if the girl(s) keeps the strap on on her for more than 60% of the scene! "Disturbed" with Lacey DuValle and Diana DeVoe had a great scene for its time. No strap ons that made them look like men lol. And some good lesbian action. Tit sucking, pussy eating, things you'd actually want to see in a lezzie porn. Not very good now. But for the time it was made, it was one of the best!
It doesn't bother me, though I will admit watching two girls with a strap-on is kind of silly. If I want to see that, I'll watch boy-girl. The girl wearing it can't get that much out of it, whereas a guy obviously gets a lot out of it when he's in that position. What I like is when two girls use a double-ended dildo they can both ride at the same time. But what really gets me going is when they grind against each other instead.
The opposite for me, I am one of the girl-girl fan that dislike non-toys and toys, but I love girl-girl strapon. The strapon bit is best as I like to watch the girl who does the fucking thrusts/girates her hips as she fucks the girl, not sounding gay or anything but when I watch a boy-girl, I would find myself staring at the guy's ass. Perfect camera angle during the strapon sex would be from the rear view angle where we see the strapon girl's butt.
Given the prevalence of sex toy/vibrator/dildo use by women in general, and the fact that porn is, by definition, artificial sexuality....I don't get this at all. I actually enjoy seeing toys used in lesbian porn. It gives you something to watch, particularly the dynamic of a woman "fucking" another woman, showing the other woman the way she enjoys being fucked herself. Lesbians aren't allergic to penetration.
Toys are the enemy. You bought a girl/girl movie presumably because there are no guys in it. Why would you want to see 2 beautiful girls whip out fake cocks and moan unconvincingly for 20 minutes?
Then you have 999 out of 1000 directors catering to your needs. But what you're saying ("the dynamic of a woman "fucking" another woman") isn't wrong actually the only problem is that in 99% of all cases the women don't really fuck each other with those things, they're just going through the motions. Usually toys keep any dynamic from developing while in toy free scenes this doesn't happen so often because the girls don't have anything to "hide behind."
The first time I heard of or considered watching lesbian porn, I thought "Oh great! Finally a way to make sure I get to see SOMEONE eating some pussy in porn!" So I went and rented a bunch of lesbian flicks and the first thing they did in all of them was whipped out a dildo or vibrator of some kind. So what I ended up getting was girls who didn't even like girls timidly pleasuring one another with a piece of plastic. I don't know. It just strikes me that anyone who loves women shouldn't be afraid of eating pussy. I probably wouldn't object to some toy play but they usually use the toys to mask the fact that the girls aren't really lesbians (or even truly bisexual). Edited by - randomprecision on 12/2/2009 3:17:16 AM
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Posted - Dec 2 2009 : 3:20AM
Toys are essential for monster gapes. Toys are essential for Jaysin vids. Why would anyone watch g/g without monster gapes?
I loooove toys! Dammit, this is the reason I can't find good scenes with toys use, because everyone else hates it. I love G/G and masturbation scenes with toys, and I really love scenes with two girls and a guy in it. One of my favorite positions is when a girl gets DPed by a guy in one hole and a toy from another girl in the other hole. If I wanted real sex with kissing and all that, I would just fuck my girlfriend. As far as I'm concerned all porn is artificial sexuality. It doesn't really matter to me what the girl is doing, as long as I see her getting off on ways most normal girls wouldn't try. I want to see the wildest and most riduculous things I can imagine. Fuckingmachines.com is just about my favorite thing ever. I love when Chayse Evans or Charley Chase gets a magic wand and squirts everywhere. I love seeing those few scenes with a rabbit vibrator where we get close ups of the nubs actually going up inside of the clithood (Carmella Bing's scene at FTV is a great example). Theres just something about a girl getting off on a foriegn object that really turns me on. And I love seeing new and creative looking toys. If I were a girl I'd probably own quite a few. They look like there a lot of fun. I wish I could talk my GF into using them. I love regular guy/girl scenes, I even love DPs with two or more guys, but I like variety, and I always like seeing toys use. Especially if I'm not in the mood to see a guys body taking up half the screen.
What kind of comparison is this supposed to be? Notice that a human is more than the sum of its sexual organs. A dildo isn't a substitute for a male, similar to how a Fleshlight isn't a substitute for a female. According to your logic a masturbation scene with a toy is identical to a m/f scene in its effect on the viewer. I would argue that the presence of a penile substitute with only a female is one of reasons toys are popular in g/g; it's also one of several reasons why straight men are into transsexual women.
This is why I enjoy g/g toy scenes from Jay Sin....the debauchery aspects he could contrive for a scene involving toys were extraordinary. With no toys, I agree that the scene can be more "sensual" as it requires one woman to simulate giving pleasure to another with fairly finite number of positions/methods. I say "finite" because some acts just won't be appropriate for filming due to angles, etc. You've got oral or digit penetration, plus kissing and caressing. But you can still do all of this WITH toys and so many other amazing things. I'd say the real issue with people hating g/g + toys has more to do with poor directors and poor performers. The toys don't do anything on their own...it requires a willing and eager performer and a director with an eye for creativity. Jay Sin mastered this IMHO.
Given the prevalence of sex toy/vibrator/dildo use by women in general, and the fact that porn is, by definition, artificial sexuality....I don't get this at all. =========== We're not talking about "women in general", we're talking about porn. And it's so obvious that the scenes that fixate on toys are b/c these are heterosexual girls faking being lesbian for a paycheck. I also hate what constituttes as "postage stamp" pussy licking for girls obviously going through the motions inspite of the usual fake moaning. A true lesiban scene should start with mutual admiration, fondling, undressing, deep mouth freench kissing, that culminates in deep tongue in groove pussylicking. Penetration should be left to fingers and fists .
OK. Look at it this way. What if someone bought gay porn and instead of guys sucking and fucking each other, they whipped out Fleshlights and masturbated with them as they stared longingly into each other's eyes. That's what G/G scenes with toys are.
You can always tell how much a girl is actually into other girls by how quickly she reaches for a dildo in a scene. But let me expand on this point, if two girls are using a toy to actually get each other off (magic wand, magic bullet, pocket rocket) it can be hot as hell but most of the time it's just two disinterested parties mindlessly stabbing each other with an oversized phallus waiting for someone to sign their check.
I think toy usage can be hot in gg scenes sometimes. It depends on the girls, and what kind of gg scene it's supposed to be. If the scene aims to be wild and over the top, perhaps like an orgy or gang bang, just without any guys, then by all means, break out the huge toys and/or strap-ons. It won't be very sensual, but in a different way it could still be enjoyable to watch a fun bunch of girls try to outdo each other. Even in comparatively tamer scenes with only 2 or 3 participants, there can be moderate toy usage without the scene being hurt, if the toy usage seems natural and fits the rest of the scene. But when a fairly vanilla all girl scene is 20 minutes long, and toys are being used for 15 of those minutes, I tend to suspect that one or more of the girls are very straight in real life, and want the toys as a crutch to lean on when they go gay for pay on camera.
I think toys and strap ons are OK as long as they don't take more than 55% of the scene. You'd think a hot all black all girl 3sum including Jada Fire in a "Sista" series by VideoTeam would be a sure winner right? Apparently not because it was ruined by them having strap ons the ENTIRE time! Totally sucked. And none of them should have to pick "who's the guy and who's the girl?" The whole point of being a lesbian and watching lesbians, is to get girl/girl action. Nothing wrong with a girl sucking another girls tit, and the girl getting her tit sucked returning the favor.
Agreed. I wouldn't mind toys if it looked like something natural they'd do, but it just like an act. It's time to pull the toy out now. Brace yourself. It's like the GG movies were they strip and one immediately dives between the other one's legs with almost no foreplay at all. It's what some guys want to see, but overall it looks fake and rushed, and as erotic as a Hallmark greeting card.
I don't hate it but I do prefer watching g/g where there are no toys used. I'd offer up pretty much any Viv Thomas dvd scene as an example of what I want in a g/g scene. Hot girls, maybe some lingerie on. Nice sexy eye looks, the kissing starts to build in intensity and you can see the girls are into the tongue action- you see some tongue twirling but then you also have open mouth over open mouth and you just know those tongues are dancing inside. Then the ladies move on to their respective breasts, usually some real nice boob kissing/licking- pop up for more mouth kissing, you see the hands start drifting down to trace over the pussy and then you move to some hot oral sex and these girls don't skimp on the pussy eating, nope they dive in and stay there for awhile, on occasion you also get ass licking and that is so hot in g/g. So that about sums it up on why I prefer no toys, I want kissing, oral sex/ ass licking, and breast play-- toys don't really factor in there but when I do see a toy used I look to see if the girl will still lick the pussy and this doesn't happen as often as I'd like.
Good point, but I would rephrase that a bit! Just so you know, Mike Quasar is a porn producer -- so he could actually respond to your criticism in his movies. If you would have commented nicer, he probably would have made a film to your liking -- especially if there are several similar responses to toys and girls on film. However, if all he gets is grouchy, mean-spirited grief from said potential customers he may say "screw them" and only make his usual style of porn, which he knows he has fans for. It is also poor net etiquette to respond in a huffy, mean-spirited manner.
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Posted - Dec 19 2009 : 8:20PM
All toys and no kissing would be perfect. Handcuffs would be a huge plus.
^ Not stealthy enough to troll :p I dislike toys in lesbian porn because the reason I watch it in the first place is the absence of another guy's cock. Why oh why would someone think it gets better with fake cock in it. It's like producing lactose-free milk with artificial lactose.
I'll second those handcuffs -- especially if Julia Ann is the one being cuffed (I can dream, can't I)? I do remember one bit on her former show Naughty Amateur Home Videos where she was cuffed to Inari Vachs, but I prefer behind the back cuffing, it makes them more alluring and helpless!
Hello, Not a fan of toy use , for me it appears the women are distancing themselves from the intimacy of flesh on flesh The use of Fingers and Tongues especially rimming is what I like to see,Kissing sucking licking of each others tits oh and Nudity I want the panties and bras Off Less Pornospeak especially the stupod/derogatory language Although I understand why some women prefer a nice smooth vibrator to the fingernails poking their delicate parts Maybe these women need to trim and manicure before lesbo scenes long nails and soft pink flesh not a good mix Oh and the woman wearing a strapon moaning while the other lady gives it a blowjob(WTF) Oh and if I see toys and fake barbies(ie women with Fake tits)that scene is a total turn off the level of artifial/unreality just shatters any illusion or sense of realism/eroticsm Toy Use and Gay for Pay porn by paint by numbers seem to be all too common
Wait a minute. Now that I think about it, one thing I would like to see more of is girls grinding their pussies together, like in the first Sorority Sex Kittens.
I'll definteily second this statement! I forgot where I saw this done the first time in my life, but I remembered it was instantly hot! I'm not sure if that "move" has a name yet, but I personally call it the "scissor" position, because the legs are at angles like open scissors lol. Would love to see Whitney and Britney do a scene like that. Also Alexis Love and Dee Summers. Or Alexis Love and Trisha Rey.
Toys bore me, and they're usually accompanied with a lack of effort and interest. The worst is when they end a scene with the girls using toys on themselves.
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Posted - Dec 20 2009 : 11:30PM
I loathe this "recipe" bullshit. Like there has to be this sexual act or that fetish to have a quality scene. I've seen some great scenes with strap-ons. I've seen quality smut with mostly rubbing and little oral... and I've seen lots of really lousy scenes with scripted, by the numbers, "recipe" cunnilingus. If you've seen one Girlfriend's Films scene, you've pretty much seen them all. To me, underneath it all, a good scene all boils down to the chemistry between the people having sex. One site I've been digging lately is http://www.twilightwomen.com/twilightwomen-home/home.html You might scoff at the ladies, saying they aren't quite at the level of beauty of the California porn girls, but for my money, the sex is infinitely hotter.
The technical name is "tribadism", sometimes called "tribbing", but the common slang term--as you stumbled upon--is "scissoring". Technically tribadism can refer to a woman rubbing her vulva any part of a male or female body for pleasure, but I've never ever run across the term used for anything but thigh/pussy humping in lesbian sexual encounters.
No surprise that tastes vary, so saying "no toys makes a scenes" is pretty all-inclusive. I for one, do like toys, but only if they are used sparingly and not in a "jam the biggest one you can buy in as far and deep and as fast as you can" way. I prefer strap-ons (but could do without the girl wearing it moaning while it's being sucked on), or just plane ole' anal toys. Can't stand the double-headed dildo. I have yet to see it used erotically.
Damn I guess I'm one of the minority but I like my lesbian porn with a whole arsenal of toys. BAll gags, anal plugs, preferably yhr clear kind, restraints etc. I wouldn't mind the softer girl girl non toy lesbian stuff if it were more like the Lesbian porn from Japan where they spit kiss and drool on each other, but thats pretty much non existent in America.
a pocket rocket is used with spectacular results in an I Love Lesbians scene with Jenna Haze and Luna. another toy scene i remember is from Pleasure Chest, where the toy is a Pez dispenser. it's moved lightly over one woman's body, like a tickler. at the end of the scene it's given as a gift. the toy scenes i don't like are the dildo penetrations, with long closeups that might as well be shots of a dildo in a fleshlight. attach a machine to the dildo and the performers can stay home and post on facebook.
Lesbian Trainer 4 (Sweetheart Video) - review by Captain Jack
Posted - Dec 1 2009 : 12:09PM
I never understood this either. 'WTF' sums it up nicely.