Hey, I am looking for a scene, where girls (prefer young and unexperienced) do things, they dont like. You have to see it in her face. Pls no fake dislike. The more they hate it, the better the scene is. And this situation in combination with the follow sexacts: -Rimjob -Piss -cumdrinking (bukkake)(they can gag or puke) For example i saw a scene, where the girl look very annoyed over the complete scene. Then she has to lick the mans asshole. And he say to her: "Put the tongue in." She doesnt follow his order. Because she didnt want it. But then he say again: "put the tongue in". And she does it. Or in cumdrinking scene, when the girl has extreme problems to hold the cum (gaging, choking etc) but then the director order her, to keep it in. Have anybody some ideas? EDIT: I want no discussion of the ethics of this request. If you dont like this movies or sequences (and have no hint for me) and want to discuss about it, please open a another thread. Thanks. Edited by - Noob54 on Feb 17 2014 Edited by - Noob54 on Feb 17 2014
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Posted - Feb 16 2014 : 9:00PM
facialabuse.com would suit you just brilliantly. They have a reputation for this kind of stuff (no idea of they do piss though). It's not for everyone, and not for a lot of the girls, but it will have plenty of scenes of girls getting miserable and hating the scene. I find it fascinating why people get excited watching someone doing stuff they hate or having a miserable time in the scene. Sexual woman should be celebrated and if they are enjoying it makes it so great. Edited by - earthwindfire on 2/16/2014 9:01:13 PM
I think its even stranger that the FA guys keep getting girls to sign up. That website is too disturbing for me.
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 12:54AM
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 1:21AM
I would think most of these girls don't research the site before showing up. And then it is just toughing it out to finish the scene to get paid. It does make me a bit sad that so many guys want to see women miserable. Edited by - earthwindfire on 2/17/2014 1:21:46 AM
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 5:22AM
lol Facial Abuse is the shit. Everybody take the shit so seriously as if it's their mother their watchin. Pfff
MOD: No links to tube sites. I don't quite care what excuse you put next to it as why a mod should not remove it. It is a tube site. No links. Period. Reading the rules and still coming up with validation as to why your case is "special" is worse than not even reading the rules. Edited by - flash on 2/17/2014 2:05:58 PM
The FA crew really fucked up Clayra Beau's face when she did a scene for them. I don't know how that crew doesn't get arrested and charged with felony assault. I am into BDSM myself and I can honestly say I haven't ever come across a fucked up face at an event. Bruised just about everything else, yes but never a fucked up (way beyond bruised) face. Clayra's eyes were even black and blue and she had to go home and explain why her face was fucked up to her little kid for fuck's sake! Talk about an intro to porn at age three!!! Yes BDSM is rough but someone legitimately into the practice will not fuck up someone's face, as far as facial contact goes is a kiss, a dick for a blow job (light to moderate breath play is permitted), moving hair out of a tied-up submissive's eyes or a light slap. As you can see I would not weep too hard if the Facial Abuse crew were charged with obscenity or assault. I don't like obscenity laws but these creeps need to be neutered! Noob54 -- Please don't post tube site links no matter what the reason. Many of us are producers and sellers of content and depend on the revenue from legitimate purchasers of content to survive. Tube sites steal from these producers and sellers. That is why tube site links or instructions to use are not allowed here at Adult DVD Talk. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. In the future mods have permission to cut and paste my above statement into posts that need to be edited for tube site links if they wish. Edited by - mharris127 on 2/17/2014 2:26:31 PM
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 3:10PM
@Mod: I dont know, that Tubesites are complete forbidden. I thought, that only illegal links are forbidden. Now i know, that you dont want a tubesite, even if its free content.
Had you utilized the pinned thread, which clearly states to read before posting a tube site you would have seenbold portion emphasized by me since it makes it very clear it isn't acceptable.
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Posted - Feb 17 2014 : 4:13PM
Yeah, I understand. I maked a mistake. I am sorry for that. I am not doing it again. Could we please come back to topic? Dont want my thread full of discussion about posting tubesite or not. Thanks :)
Yeah let's get back on topic to this very noble discussion about hunting down vids of women who truly dislike what they're doing. Remember, no pretending. They have to actually hate it!
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I have found a another scene, where the girls dislike the rimjob. -Meatholes cassie (in the interview she say, she dislike it, but then she has to eat chocolate out of a mans ass. She is joking and seems to take it with humour. But then she runs to the toilet to spit it out.) -Meatholes 12 scene 2 (the girl dislike rimjob really. And she shows it. But then the man claim explicit for a rimjob. Sadly is only a short sequences) I hope i could help you. Edited by - Noob54 on 2/19/2014 11:16:18 AM
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Posted - Feb 22 2014 : 5:44PM
The bruising that resulted is, of course, horrible. That said, I have seen the scene in question and Clayra was not treated worse than any other performer who has shot for FA. I can only assume that her skin is uniquely sensitive to bruising, since no great number of the many other women who have appeared on FA have reported injury. On these very boards, Mackenzee Pierce identified her experience shooting for Facial Abuse as a positive one, and there are other performers who have returned to FA for second and even third shoots. This leads me to believe that Clayra's bruising was exceptional and not a regular outcome. Bruising actually does occur in BDSM, but as far as I've experienced and seen that bruising in only ever on the body, not on the face.
That is what I was trying to say, you say it better than I was able to. Bruising on the face is unacceptable, bruises on other parts of the body are negotiable and can be acceptable in BDSM.
I have run across scenes where the girl was indifferent but the only time I have ever seen where a person seemed to hate the scene was an unposted scene Matt Williams did with a first-timer at Kink that was stopped two scenes in (a standard Kink update is 4-5 scenes). I think the chick's name was Celena. The scene was used for a post on Behind Kink but it is so old that it has been made inaccessible or deleted with the remodel of the site (I am thinking the scene was filmed five or six years ago).
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Posted - Feb 22 2014 : 6:55PM
Now that is a unique way to spin it. I don't think blaming the woman in this case will get you much support.
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Posted - Feb 22 2014 : 9:38PM
I'm certainly not "blaming" her for her skin being sensitive. What a ridiculous notion. Gore Gore Girl and killbillvol69, Have you seen the scene? She is treated no worse, and even less worse, than women who have come back to FA, not to mention well known pornstars who appeared on either FA or on one of its racially themed sister sites. Do you think that all of these women were bruised? Most of them? Half of them? Claire Dames did not develop injuries similar to Clayra Beau's, neither did Gina Lynn, Trina Michaels, etc. Would Gina Lynn get bruised by a site like FA and keep silent? I doubt it. Emma Heart was slapped silly. Was she also scared into silence by Duke Skywalker? If other performers are getting slapped as many times as Clayra without developing bruises all over their face, then certainly this suggests that Clayra is more susceptible to bruising than they. That is more believable than the suggestion of a conspiracy of silence. I am glad that the scene was stopped before Clayra Beau retained further injury. That she was injured at all was obviously something that she did not expect and it was tragic. However, there is no evidence that her bruising was not exceptional. To recognize this reality is not to blame her. mharris127, I agree with you that Facial Abuse is not to be confused with legitimate BDSM, in which bruising on the face is not acceptable. Edited by - misspornUSA on 2/22/2014 9:49:34 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 2/22/2014 10:09:19 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 2/22/2014 10:12:07 PM
^ I didn't say anyone was scared into silence. I said that the majority of the people on FA you never hear from again, or if you do, only on FA. People talk about Trina, and Gina, etc. but they don't make up the bread and butter of scenes on FA. Most of the people that work for FA you don't see anywhere else, or at least, not many other places. They are likely not making a permanent living off of porn shoots. So maybe a lot of those girls did bruise, but you don't know because you haven't heard from them. And just because a girl did FA more than once doesn't mean she didn't bruise. Maybe some of the more well known girls bruised too, and didn't say anything. Girls have bruised in other porn scenes and not said anything. Sometimes it comes up in conversation a long time later with a bigger star that in such-and-such a scene, she was left with bad bruises afterwards. Why didn't she say anything at the time? I don't know. All this to say that I find it easier to believe that some girls bruise but just take it as part of the job and don't say anything, than to believe that Clayra has some strange bruising condition (that also makes her eye bleed).
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Posted - Feb 23 2014 : 12:42AM
I would think a lot of girls wouldn't say anything for fear that other companies would not hire them because they are "potential troublemakers"..... a "whistleblower" in the porn industry would be a pariah. And FA doesn't care anyways. There are so many guys as evidenced on this forum, that want to see girls injured, upset, miserable, puking, etc that they figure they don't have to change their ways. Plenty of men are buying their product for the specific brutality that they exhibit. Edited by - earthwindfire on 2/23/2014 12:45:42 AM
Well, what about those that have left the industry? Are there some revealing memories of hardship or pleasantry you would recommend? A real life "behind the scenes" from a performer instead of producer perspective?
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Posted - Feb 23 2014 : 1:23PM
I think history has shown us that when most performers leave the business, they close that chapter of their lives and move onto new things. "Tell all" interviews with girls after they have left the business are not being done. Don't bring up the Lubben ones because they are propoganda at an extreme level and very bias. Legit personal interviews with ex performers willing to say the good and bad of the business are not around. Most interviews with current performers are done with the mind of building their brand, exciting the readers ,etc. So whether they liked something or not it will generally be "I loved it". Edited by - earthwindfire on 2/23/2014 2:22:22 PM
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Posted - Feb 23 2014 : 3:03PM
I'm willing to acknowledge that possibility, but I would only ask that you recall that we are discussing a decade worth of shoots. I find it hard to believe that in a decade of FA supposedly bruising women not even 6, 7, or 10 have come forward.I would agree with both you if we were not discussing a fringe site like FA that has no pull in the industry and which most of the industry regards with contempt. Would Danica Dillan keep quiet if she was bruised in a shoot for Devils Film? Sure, it's a reasonable possibility, but would she also remain silent after a first, second and third shoot for FA? I just don't see that happening. We can also consider the example of Khan Tusion, who held considerably more sway in the industry than Duke Skywalker ever has yet received more complaints.And yet, lilmissmackenzeepierce wrote (https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/my-new-fav-mackenzee-pierce/1): i did do facial abuse and that is a prime example of respect. wheni found out who there were and what the shot i was kinda skeptical of doing it. however they were awesome guys to shoot for very respectful, even though the scene is meant to degrade women every so many minutes they cut and make sure i was ok. they had water on hand every thing you need.So I guess that Oriana Small's (Ashley Blue's) memoir Girlvert does not exist? Neither, I suppose, does Penny Flame's book, I Am Jennie. Aurora Snow is also working on a memoir.I respect your opinion, but until I see evidence to the contrary I will continue to believe that Clayra's injuries were exceptional rather than normative. Edited by - misspornUSA on 2/23/2014 3:04:57 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 2/23/2014 3:05:30 PM
Clayra reported that there is the usual no sue clause in the papers , that's why nobody reported anything. Also Clayra is an experienced performer and she noticed something was wrong already shooting with a blurred sight from one eye, but she didn't realize how much it was wrong until back at her place. Most of the stars there are completely unknown , had no experience in porn, didn't know what could be wrong and what was right and feared the clause. Some of them did only that scene and quit. Of course there are those who may like that, it'd be idiotic to deny this, but it's a minority To clarify further , many men like to have their balls sucked , very few like a bite on them , if I'm booked to have an "oral" scene on my balls I'd never think I'm going to have my balls destroyed , and yet I signed just that and have a clause who forbids me to sue them. Basically it's what they do foggy papers and no sue clause and you're trapped Edited by - LCF on 2/23/2014 3:13:33 PM
^ In a way they do , there are agents who never book their girls for them , surely they have a reason. But probably some are in fear to not get booked anywhere if the agent they signed with is the one who lured them into that scene. So if they spoke out loud to him may have discovered they cannot work without him, end of story , Clayra was lured into that by a supposed friend it wasn't her agent doing so she could shout out everything
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Posted - Feb 23 2014 : 6:03PM
^^I don't deny the possibility of your hypothesis, but as it is a highly speculative one I'll continue to base my judgment on the available evidence. As for that evidence, there is none supporting the accusation that Clayra Beau's injuries are routine for FA shoots. It is possible that such injuries are commonplace, but there is no evidence to support that possibility.
^ I didn't say such injuries are routine , I meant mistreatment over the agreement is routine , for example even without considering her bruises , Clayra said they had a safe word , but she cannot say it because the guy was pushing his dick in her throat so hard she couldn't speak and he just ignored any other signal , like hitting his butt or pushing back his belly , they agreed for a safe WORD and considered only that , but didn't allow her to say it. this goes over the bruises and this is what is routine there
I love the hypocrisy in this thread. Although the dudes at FA can be dicks, I don't get why people are dumping on them. Apart from the vomit, I don't see them doing anything different than Rocco or the people at Kink. Plus to focus on Clayra Beau and the many unknown starlets at FA is a bit disingenuous when stars like Natalie Moore, Danica Dillon, Rainia Belle, Tiffany Fox, Miley May,Hailey Young and a host of others have done FA. What, other studios don't use (and I do mean USE) one and dones? Also, you have to be pretty clueless to think that just because the girl is smiling through a 8 man gangbang she is having fun the whole time and fulfilling a fantasy. To answer the original poster's question, Kacy Starr hated swallowing cum and always gagged when she did. Also, pretty much every scene at pisswhores was not fancied by the girls.
^ Bumblaster, I can only think of maybe two instances where a submissive at Kink left with the severe beatdown that Clayra received. Both instances were a rogue director (one wasn't even a Kink scene but a demonstration for Folsom Street Fair not directed by a site director, the other was the Public Disgrace incident involving Cameron Bay and Xander Corvus directed by Donna Dolore made so famous by Rob Black where Cameron's breast implant popped during the scene allegedly due to severe abuse of the breast) and were dealt with immediately. Neither incident involved damage to a model's face. Certainly Kink's track record considering the tens of thousands of scenes they have done since 1997 shows that Kink is decent to their performers considering the paucity of complaints (not politically motivated like AHF, Izzy Hall, Cal-OSHA and Rob Black's) registered in the press. Please do your research before accusing a company of being (essentially) a scumbag. When Facial Abuse has 10,000 scenes posted if the only complaint is Clayra's I will gladly retract my statement. I am not familiar enough with Rocco to comment much but most of what I have heard is positive. I know that Rain DeGrey and Bobbi Starr (whose head Rocco dunked into a toilet full of water -- I hope it was clean water) both enjoyed working with him. Unfortunately Rocco's first language is not English so that could be part of why some say he is not a good person (I have read rumblings in that direction) -- even Rain run into an incident where he asked her to "vomit" when he meant "spit". Rain being cumdrunk at the time complied and vomited her apple juice and lunch on her female partner. This could hinder his ability to be able to ascertain whether a submissive needs a break. Edited by - mharris127 on 2/24/2014 2:04:28 AM
^ Bobbi Starr had to insist for that actually , he did so in a very early issue (Rocco in London if I'm not mistaken) , was most controversial and he never repeated until Bobbi wanted it. Rocco may be an asshole though , Selen who is Italian and had no language issues with him worked with him once and and wouldn't never again and it was a feature movie not even a gonzo (i.e. La Puledra in Calore the filly in heat)
^ Almost all of them in his early works when some stars were caught by surprise by his way to fuck on screen. Janine complained only because she wanted a condom and he didn't. Roxy Jezel complained about the ruthless in her scene in Rocco Ravishes Ibiza She starred again in Rocco Ravishes Ibiza 2 in a scene with Rocco AND Nacho (and Angel Dark)
I thought threads about FA - or ones which discussed them heavily - got locked? I could've sworn I read that from a moderator in another thread not long ago. I joined up recently to see what all the fuss was about; so far been pretty underwhelmed.
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Posted - Feb 24 2014 : 4:48PM
What all the fuss is about is the unique content that FA offers. I am unaware of any other active American website that is exclusively dedicated to similar content (except sister sites Latina Abuse and Ghetto Gaggers of course).
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Posted - Feb 24 2014 : 4:51PM
Maybe instead of attacking FA we should be asking why there are so many men on ADT that are turned on by seeing girls suffering, abused, and destroyed. DOn't pull the "BDSM" arguement on me because these kinds of scenes are not BDSM with consenting people and rules. Men who are turned on by these types of scenes want to see the girl facing things she didn't expect and to truly suffer (whereas women in true BDSM scenes are not suffering, they are experiencing their own form of pleasure). There are so many threads about seeing women hurt, injured, and doing things that cause long term health effects that has nothing to do with the wonderful world of real BDSM. And they try to hide behind that and say it is the same thing. It isn't. A girl getting assfucked and bleeding is NOT bdsm. She didn't plan that out and seek it for some role playing scenario (to just give an example of something that turns people on). It is someone getting injured and this turns people on. Wanting her to harm her sphincter to the point she needs depends is not BDSM. We should be talking about this instead of bashing FA. They are just producing what enough people want to see. There are too many threads celebrating legitimate and un-intended injuries and pain on the girls. Edited by - earthwindfire on 2/24/2014 4:55:22 PM Edited by - earthwindfire on 2/24/2014 4:56:15 PM
^ there are women who like that from a female point of view and as already said there are stars who not only wanted to go there but were recurrent also. In any case there are many viewers here on ADT who really like to see women in discomfort
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Posted - Feb 24 2014 : 5:20PM
^^earthwindfire: Unless these male viewers are actually harming people or planning to harm people I don't think that their private viewing habits need to be criticized. Plenty of people spend hours watching footage outside of porn that I find abhorrent (graphic war footage, animal torture, etc.). Those are sick videos and obviously I do not allow my daughter to watch them, but insofar as adults are concerned they can watch what they want. If they actually go out and decide to torture a dog, then there exists an issue that demands an immediate response. Otherwise I have no business telling anyone who isn't my child what they should and should not watch and enjoy on the internet. Edited by - misspornUSA on 2/24/2014 5:21:37 PM
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Posted - Feb 24 2014 : 5:23PM
You do realize what you said is something consumers of illegal pornography (the kind that lands you in jail) say in their defense. The like to believe, that Since they are not the ones actually causing the harm, they should not be accountable for viewing it. Viewers wanting to see women suffering short or long term injuries are part of the problem because they are creating the demand for it. We all our part of this circle, the sellers and the buyers. Edited by - earthwindfire on 2/24/2014 5:24:23 PM
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Posted - Feb 24 2014 : 5:51PM
^You do realize that illegal pornography is ILLEGAL and therefore not in the same category as the videos I mentioned. If you want to have a discussion about the viewing of illegal material, then we can have that discussion.If you imagine that all or most subscribers to Kink, Sexually Broken, and similar websites are ethically superior to people who enjoyed Max Hardcore's videos or subscribe to FA, you are being naive. Do Princess Donna and Lorelei Lee share the same set of values as Max Hardcore? Absolutely not. Does that matter to the viewer? Not necessarily. What leads you to believe that a man whom, after seeing a preview of Hardcore Gangbang in which a women is spit on, slapped, choked, and fucked into mindlessness, will choose to subscribe to that site just because he is committed to the values of the BDSM community and places a high priority on womens pleasure?
We all probably have different values and most of us could probably easily find persons calling us perverts or worse. Anyhow I know that I like things I shouldn't be liking. Yes, I like to see womens lines being pushed. Yes I like to see pain and heavily spanked asses and much more. But I also like to se women that thrutfully can say after such a scene: "Yes, I could do this again." And smile. I don't say this because some companies end with such declarations. I thought so long before I saw such a movie. But, I often wonder: Are those declarations true? I do hope. I wish.
I personally agree that things go too far on several sites. I think people on here know my penchant for BDSM but causing a chick's asshole to bleed profusely or giving her a pair of Irish sunglasses (two black eyes) and a black and blue face is taking it too far. I didn't like Max Hardcore for the same reasons. For the record I don't object to a woman receiving anal, it is the bleeding and prolapsing that I object to. Also, if a submissive is getting pleasure instead of torture from a BDSM session it is usually OK IMO but I cannot imagine a woman getting pleasure of having her face beaten to a pulp.
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Posted - Feb 24 2014 : 8:04PM
Well said! Hey, anal is great, I love it. But there are too many consumers that want to see anal practices that are causing long term injury. A lot of consumers want to see legitimate injury and unplanned pain and suffering (a severe prolapse, bleeding from anal, terrible pain from vaginal sex. These are not bruises from a Kink.com whipping that heal and are expected by the girl when she enters the scene, these are serious matters that people take unreasonable pleasure from). There is so much demand for pain and suffering beyond what porn should be , that producers make it. Max Hardcore only made his movies and stayed in business because people WANTED to see ill-informed young girls pretending they were underage and being abused against their expectations and leaving the scene hating their life. Edited by - earthwindfire on 2/24/2014 8:04:59 PM
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Posted - Feb 24 2014 : 8:47PM
I beg a moderator to clean up this topic or punish spam replies in the future. As I said in my opening post: I DONT WANT A DISCUSSION ABOUT ETHICS OR SENSE AND NONSENSE OF THIS VIDEOS! If you want to discuss about this ethic go in an other topic. Here is only Content or the discussion of Content allowed, thanks. ONTOPIC: I found another scene, where the girl seems so dislike the scene: brokeamateurs.com - Laura The scene isn`t very hardcore (rimjob, facial, swallowing and maybe anal (i dont remember completely)), but the attitude is nice and she is really uncomfortable. Also she is a unexperienced girl. (But not really pretty, she is a bit fat :( )
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Posted - Feb 24 2014 : 8:53PM
There is no website dedicated to "bleeding from anal" and prolapsing is found mostly on female solo sites. Painful vaginal sex seems to be incidental, rather than intentional, in most of the scenes in which it appears. Meanwhile, Max Hardcore is long gone as is Khan Tusion and the others who produced extreme content. Only Duke Sywalker remains.
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