So I read this today on Pierre Woodman's forum. Let me start by saying I've been a huge fan of this mans work over the years, and I have no interest in this topic turning in to a shit show discussion about his already well documented petty feud with a rival company, but what I read today I find deeply concerning, and to be honest if he had a hand in this I find it absolutely disgusting. For anyone who follows PW and his work, he's currently in the states and has been tweeting about his meetings with Greg Lansky and other American agents. This post from his forum was a topic of discussion for them last night, why Pierre is involved in talks like this and what his motivation is I think we already know. This is what he said in a thread regarding the beautiful French performer Ines Lenvin Re: Ines Lenvin Postby PIERRE WOODMAN » Mon May 09, 2016 3:31 pm She is cute but I'm not sure she has understood how works porn industry ... Her trip to Prague was a HUGE mistake !!! Yesterday I was at diner with US agents and all agreed to tell excepted Anissa Kate they wish to avoid from US market all girls having worked for the Prague Circus. Even a big producer told me also this week he got request from 2 guys working with this company asking for job with him and he denied because of the health issue of 2015 with them. So I'm not sure Ines did the right choice even if it's not really her fault ... PW In 2016 wisdom will be my guide and humility my weapon against adversity !!! So it would seem an agreement has been made to block any potential work for the women who've appeared for LP, if this is the case I think it's absolutely abhorrent that one mans feud could impact the earning potential for these girls, and for fans of the euro stars like myself, we may never get to see some of them possibly appear on our favourite American sites. I understand a lot of these girls never cross over in to the US market, but if they wanted to I don't think it's right that something like this has been agreed behind the scenes. What makes it worse for me, Pierre himself has worked with some of these women after they've appeared there, so when it comes to his own potential to exploit and earn from them his principles fly out the window, but seeing them be successful in other markets that won't benefit him is clearly unacceptable. To me this is a direct attempt to show these women that working for LP will have consequences on their career, and if you want to work for them be prepared to be blocked from other lucrative markets. In my opinion it's obvious who's orchestrated this, so for the fans of porn I welcome your honest opinion on this matter. Edited by - Paddy82 on May 10 2016
It's pretty much certain that it will turn into a shit show discussion. I don't think any conclusions are "obvious" other than a literal reading - US agents don't want to work with European girls who worked for LP because of potential health issues. Maybe PW had a role in the discussion, maybe he didn't. I wasn't there. I do think it's clear that if any studio develops a reputation for playing fast and loose with STDs, producers won't want to hire performers who have worked there. Adriana Chechik said prior to this dinner that she wouldn't work with LP currently because of her agent. I don't know if any of the accusations made against LP are true or not. I would hope they wouldn't be but I have not seen any set of facts, undisputed or not, that would lead me to a conclusion. All I have seen are a bunch of statements from parties on each side of the issue (and their fans, who are hardly impartial) that contradict one another. So, I think you may be reading too much into it. Perhaps that's what you mean to do, maybe not. Edited by - rodin_1964 on 5/9/2016 7:38:16 PM
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Posted - May 9 2016 : 7:37PM
When "porn politics" fuck it all up, I hate it. This is bullshit and garbage and typical porn nonsense. And massive hypocrisy.... everyone is a health risk, which is why they test ... as long as people are passing tests, they are getting to work. So, if a girl shoots for LP is she any more risky than anyone else? No, because you can't control what people do off camera and in their potentially crazy personal lives.... whether it is male performers barebacking civilians from the bars, or girls doing wild and wacky things with their boyfriends at parties and clubs.... everyone is on an equal playing field and a potential risk. This is just one guy who films in Europe trying to slow down a competitor by threatening girls... "hey, if you work for LP you are getting zero US work"..... think about it...... LP also pays more than this fellow so if girls put LP in their "no list" he may not have to pay as much. This is like union mafia stuff (which porn has been like for a long time of course).
You make it sound like there's no reason to test at all. If LP doesn't test to the same standards that US companies do, then it doesn't seem outrageous to avoid shooting with a girl who has recently shot there. Of course producers can't control performers off camera. But they can enforce industry standards that help the industry stay less regulated
I can understand this view completely, but how did that reputation develop ? I know of only two names involved in a failed test for that company, and the female that was mentioned later worked for Pierre after he'd made some awful comments about her during it. If the rumors about their std practices were true, you would think there would be an epidemic in the European market with the amount of content they produce, especially considering the talent pool they often use repeatedly for a lot of their work. Do you think what we've heard about that company is enough for the American agents to have agreed on a complete ban on the women who've worked there, without the chance of any testing stateside ? I had personally hoped that some of the models scouted by LP would one day make an appearance across the pond, but seeing as one of the people I wanted them to work for was supposedly involved in this decision being made, I'm really disappointed about the whole thing. It was my main point of interest in raising this topic, I don't know if these guys frequent these boards, but I would love to hear first hand why this agreement has been made and what the reasons were for doing so.I could absolutely be reading too much in to it. My point of view on this has developed from being a member on his site. I was banned from his forum towards the end of last year for criticizing him on wasting far too much time and energy attempting to continuously discredit that company and run it's image in to the ground, instead of doing what I thought he should doing in his free time, which was updating some of the castings a lot of us members have been waiting absolutely ages for. I've been witness to continuous trash talking, the rumors and propaganda always spoken to us as fact, and mentions of friends being made aware of said rumors, Mark Spiegler being one of them. It's for those reasons that I find it extremely fishy that he was present at this decision being made. Why was he involved in it, making an agreement like that in his presence makes absolutely no sense to me, he doesn't even operate in their part of the market, so his participation in the restriction of these girls being allowed to work for certain agents in the US doesn't seem right to me. I also don't understand why Pierre has posted about this arrangement on his forum, it came across as a gloat to me, like he's one upped his rivals in some way. Ultimately it's the models who will suffer, who have no involvement in any of this petty bullshit, but will indirectly now have their potential careers impacted by it. I've already asked a mod if I could alter the title of this topic. I genuinely wanted a discussion on the affect this decision could have on European models and whether others thought it was justified. It would have been incredible to see some of my favourites work in the US, Arwen Gold, Lita Phoenix and Ria Sunn being three of them. I for one don't like the idea of women being told that if you work for a particular company these opportunities won't be available to you.
So, does this alleged ban only apply to female performers? After all, guys such as Marcus Dupree and Joss Lescaf have been working in the US recently, and including for one of the producers/directors (Greg Lansky) that Woodman has named as one of his stateside friends, no less... Edited by - shalalin on 5/10/2016 8:00:48 AM
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - May 10 2016 : 3:48PM
There's no reason to claim PW has orchestrated anything. If some producers or agents don't want to deal with certain performers because LP is too shady when it comes to testing that's their right. Plus we only have PW's word on any of this being remotely true. Certainly we already know LP are exploitive pirates of their competitors content and their shooting US performers in Mexico sounds pretty iffy as well.
As I said to rodin, I completely agree with this if that's the case, and of course it's their perogative, but how did you come to the conclusion that they're shady with their testing ? because I know how I was made aware of it, and it wasn't by American producers. This is why it would be great to hear the opinion of one of them and whether there's any truth to this agreement. As others have said, it would seem the testing is sufficient when it comes to the use of certain males who've worked there.I assume this is regarding [MOD: Please don't name tube sites here], should a similar agreement not be in place with these agents to restrict work to mindgeek owned sites in that case, being that they dwarf all competition when it comes to piracy ? Edited by - Flash on 5/10/2016 4:33:45 PM
^ You're right. And I didn't mean to imply that LP *had* such a reputation, only that if a studio did develop such a reputation. Right now it's all hearsay on both sides without much in the way of facts to back up anything as far as I can see. I'm not privy to any factual information about this so I'm going to continue on in happy ignorance...for the time being at least.
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Posted - May 10 2016 : 11:04PM
I guess that means we won't be seeing anyone who's performed on LP on Blacked. Very annoying. I doubt that Casey Calvert would have shot for LP if they were so dodgy.
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Posted - May 10 2016 : 11:09PM
Does their involvement with piracy mean that LP has issues with their STD testing protocols? Don't some of the Mexico shoots (hidden from US customers such as myself) have golden showers? Perhaps that is their reason for shooting in Mexico.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - May 11 2016 : 2:39PM
^ Tubesites are full of shady popups, even viruses, so if one's entire business is built off of theft why would one be surprised if they cut corners anywhere else? You're probably right about the Mexico shoots, it wouldn't be illegal to actually shoot a golden shower scene in the US but you may run into trouble getting the footage out of the country, but then these days couldn't you just upload it to a server? Still considering how lawless it can be down there I'm surprised any performer would be willing to travel there to do a shoot. Who knows what other laws they could be dodging down there.
The number of European performers shooting in the US is already tiny so it's not like there was a huge mass of models from Eastern Europe waiting at the border to shoot for American companies. I've said it in the past and I'll say it again. The cost of air fare, accommodation and what not are so high in California that it's probably not worth it for most European models to shoot in America. Unless the model is going to escort on the side but there again it's a lot easier in Europe to do that. How would Casey know about their less than stellar testing protocol? How many people reading this thread already knew that prior to reading the various comments?
I don't know why I should be again the bad guy in this story, I just reported what was said in a discussion I had last week in L-A around a table with agents and producers. The fact is there was a scandal last october about a syphilis case of Mike Angelo at LP and NEVER , I repeat NEVER this guy has been able to present the proof his TPHA result is negative to avoid all suspicions : http://www.woodmanforum.com/with-pierre/syphilis-situation-and-fight-with-legal-porno-t8816.html and what is funny I just got today the information that there is a new problem again with Mike and gonorhea this week in Prague. ( Seems Mea Melone and Sophie Black are angry about him now ) So yes LP is not on the list of the most recommanded companies for any US porn star which doesn't mean no one of them will work for them ( there was always Kamikazes in this industry ) but most serious agencies in L-A are not happy with the idea to let their models working for them and I have nothing to do with that !!! PW
You're suggesting you had nothing to do with it whilst admitting you were involved in the discussion, am I to believe it was the Americans who brought up that topic of conversation while you sat quietly ? Did it go something like this: Hey guys, do you remember the name of that guy who failed an std test 7 months ago in Prague (Pierre sits quietly) Yeah you know, the one who still hasn't provided us with a negative THPA test (Pierre sits quietly) Ahh it doesn't matter, let's all agree to blacklist any women who've worked there shall we. The fact you've mentioned Mike again for sure tells me you've played a big part in this. Do you remember what you did when you first heard the rumor about Mike last October, how quickly you made us aware of it on your forum while laughing about it, and mysteriously how fast the American porn news outlets, 6000 miles away, began reporting on the huge scandal unfolding in Prague, which included very strange details about testing practices no less. Do you remember that ? That was your involvement before there was even confirmation of a failed test, so please spare me the "I have nothing to do with that !!!" nonsense when it comes to that companies image in LA and amongst your friends. And just so I can differentiate between the two, didn't Mike have an issue a few years back with testing when he was working for you ? Did that reflect poorly on you and your production company, or was that the fault of Mike ?
I believe so, the last scene I saw him in was with the beautiful Stella Cox for Killergram. I've no idea when that was produced though. A quick look at his twitter shows a post from 23h ago stating he'd just finished a scene with Arwen Gold and Stacy Snake, so either those two girls have a penchant for eating yellow custard, or this claim of gonorrhoea is another attempt to discredit him before confirmation. Edited by - Paddy82 on 5/12/2016 9:26:05 AM
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Posted - May 20 2016 : 9:18PM
There is more to this.. if it really was as simple as "LP has STI risks and we want to protect the US", then why are the males not getting heat? Erik Everhard is filming quite a few scenes with them and nobody is trying to backball him from US porn. This is some people trying to stop girls from LP coming into the US because, they are competition.... And stopping US girls from filming over there because it will take the limited porn buyer market with them in some cases....... competition This is politics, not some social cause to protect the industry from an STI. Edited by - Canadian_Cindy on 5/20/2016 9:19:53 PM
