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arthur Deactivated User
165 Posts 9/04
Posted - Jan 25 2005 : 9:47PM
In Rocco's The Ass Collector there is some male-male oral sex as part of an orgy scene. Rocco is not involved in this. In Rocco's new movie The Dark Side of Rocco, there is a scene where Rocco and two other guys have their arms around each other while getting blowjobs from two ladies. It's a male bonding type thing, not a gay thing. Nevertheless, it's interesting because the vast majority of straight porn directors recoil from showing male-male touching, even if it's done in a very heterosexual way.
Actually Rocco has his dick sucked by a guy in a gay bar in a film "The Anatomy of Hell". I wouldn't recommend it to the forum though because it is an anti-porn film made by a French feminist intellectual filmmaker. The film basically says that men really hate women and they fuck women in order to obliterate the female body.
Geezus I have to put up with untold levels of crappola to find scenes and films that do it for me, the occasional HMA or activity that measures on your gayness scale shouldn't be too much to bear should it? Why are deeply het men so afraid and of what? If you're so certain and comfortable with the limits of your own sexuality, surely you have nothing to fear by witnessing any show of affection between men or "bi-activity." What's the worst thing that can happen?
It may not be your preference and you have every right and opportunity to seek out that which you wish to watch but the labelling of the range of human sexual activity seems a little pointless to me. What purpose can it serve?
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Disgusting? It is? I'd be interested to know how we might further disembody a cock from it's appendages? No man ass, no man face, no man balls, just a mysterious floating assless, faceless, balless cock...randomly applying itself in a non gay way for the universal betterment of porn everywhere...
Just for the record,I see two women kissing and fucking each other and don't automatically become a lesbian,contrary to popular opinion not every woman is a latent lesbian, (yep, I know it's hard to believe) neither do I recoil in horror, unless of course it's one of those lezzo scenes with the very long nails and n..yeahs, n..yeahs in a high pitched voice...then homicide is the only thing on my mind.
Ah, Loraine, haven't you heard about the 'mirror neurons' that allow you to connect your 'self' with what you see others around you doing? That is to say, these neurons fire when you do something, but they also fire when you see someone else do something. Brain researchers think it has something to do with social empathy and the rapid learning of new behavior. Obviously, this means that by watching gay sex, our friends are psychologically experiencing gay sex themselves.
...You are what you watch. Ooooh there's a scary thought!
Well H, that all sounds potentially like a lot more fun than the horrid and messy bodily implosion which is what I thought happened if you watched anything that registered on your gayness scale.
If you want straight porn watch Playgirl TV. All the couples scenes are one on one het, no girl-girl, no cocks rubbing together. But watch out! They actually focus on the men and show single guys masturbating.
Not saying things on the gayness scale are good or bad, but you can plot them out and see where they fit. Everyone has their comfort level. Anything above 5 makes me a little put-off.
I understand that completely and my convenient use of your "gay scale" (soon to be patented?) wasn't meant to intend my comments were aimed at you. Not at all. We may disagree on the chemical compositon of that wet stuff that comes out of a girl but I do think you're a moderate person -- hence the 5 "comfort level"
It just makes me a sad when someone's sexual orientation and preference is labelled "disgusting".
It is sad, but it's also a subjective thing. I'm sure everyone is disgusted by something. Perhaps they could just find more diplomatic ways to say so.
There are some gay men who refer to women derisively as "stinks" because they find the scent of female pheromones to be repulsive. I expect if I told such a man about my passion for cunnilingus, it would probably make his stomach turn over. I can certainly imagine him protesting if an unexpected pussy eating scene appeared in his gay porn.
Where am I going with this? I'm not sure. Just trying the shoe on the other foot I suppose. Excuse me while I fast forward over another blowjob.
(It wasn't disgusting, honest! Just boring. )
Is the stuff you put up with just tedious and uninspiring, or do you run across things that completely break the erotic mood and ruin the movie for you? With me it's mostly the former.
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arthur Deactivated User
165 Posts 9/04
Posted - Jan 26 2005 : 5:57PM
It never ceases to amaze the number of supposedly open-minded men (and some women) who decry any display of male-male affection or sexual interaction while applauding the female-female. I refer to it as the homophobic double standard. Anyway, I hope the porn producers of tomorrow are less fearful than the ones of today.
I think you are perhaps a little too quick to label personal taste as homophobia.
I am completely revolted by seeing people vomit in porn movies. It doesn't mean that I am afraid of catching bulimia. It means that I find vomiting a turn-off and I don't want to pay to watch it.
This is a forum for discussing porn. If you don't want people to mention what they like and dislike, what is there to talk about?
Actually, studios are already producing bi-male porn movies. I don't know how big the market is, but I regularly see these advertised in mail-order catalogs.
Let me get this "straight". You're amazed somehow that normal men are sickened by looking at homosexual men violating other men? You know there's open minded, but there's a limit. That's past the limit.
As for the girl-girl stuff, well, we like women and there they are for us. It's a sexual warm up. Simple. Besides those girls are usually just doing it as a prelude for the real sex. The hard sex. So no harm done.
I do, however, think that there are some things that are outside of what most people buying something want that there should be some kind of warning...like buying an Audi and finding out they installed whoopie cussions in the driver's seat. Just a head's up so you can decide how to spend your money.
Sorry if I offended you Tony. I am not trying to judge other people's tastes. I'm just suggesting that one should not apply offensive labels to people if their tastes are different from one's own.
You shouldn't call someone a homophobe just because they are not aroused by gay male activity.
UC, I can't tell from your post whether you saw the film, or read a review of it. I saw it about 3 months ago. The opening scene does show a man performing oral on a second man outside. It's not clear who the second man was, his face wasn't shown.
There's a quick cut to inside a gay bar, and you do see Rocco passionately kissing a young looking guy while they dance (with some way cool music playing). The young guy is not the same one who was outside giving oral to the second man.
The film isn't anti-porn at all; it's not a porn film, and makes no references to porn. It does have some things to say about male/female relations, though I couldn't quite figure out what the message(s) was/were. Though frankly, that's how I feel about most French films. The director of the movie is controversial, most people think she hates humans, male or female.
Rocco does a decent job of acting in the movie. There are two times that he cries. The first was a bit hammed up, but the second time looked genuine and not over the top.
Well at the screening I went to we were handed an essay written by Breillat in which she was scathingly critical of how porn depicts women to a male audience. So you're right it's not an anti-porn film. It's anti the misogynist mainstream of porn.
There you are, Renee. I was wondering if you were still around at ADT.
Oh, yeah. The topic.
What is a "normal male," anyway?
As far as 1 on 1 goes: I think these sort of scenes are a bit harder to pull off if the performers are disinterested and the cameraman is out to lunch. The safety of fetish driven gonzo is that, no matter how shitty the shoot is, you still have the DP, the cum swallowing/bukkake, the creampie, the fisting, etc. to fall back on. Customers seem to forgive a shitty group oral or DP scene if it shows the fetish off in a reasonable way. A really explosive, sweaty, perfectly captured 1 on 1 scene has become the hardest thing for porn to deliver. The producers seem to cover themselves nowadays when they shoot this type of scene by throwing in the obligatory anal as if to say, "yeah, the scene sucked but no one will care as long as she took it in the ass, went for the ATM, and swallowed."
It seems the producers are mostly right.
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arthur Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 27 2005 : 6:11PM
To compare revulsion of vomiting to revulsion of male-male interactions is quite an appalling analogy. Anyone who says that is really in cahoots with the Jerry Falwells of this world. Jerry Falwell might say exactly the same thing, and I wouldn't be surprised if he already has.
On the issue of male-male, sometimes you really have to wonder whose side the straight porn industry is on - the libertarians or the religious conservatives.
But Christian conservatives reject pornography of all kinds. So how could the porn industry be on their side at all? Rather absurd for you to say that.
You can't expect people who don't have or care for a queer sex lifestyle to promote movies with that going on. Not doing so but promoting every aspect of hard sex which involves men making it with girls, doesn't make them social conservatives.
Tolerance in a free country is one thing. You ought to be pretty happy with that too and consider the alternative. Promoting homosexual tendencies is another thing altogether. Good grief, what do you expect?
Oh bullshit. You're either choosing to completely misread his meaning, or you haven't actually read many of Licker's posts in the past (and have chosen to ignore several of his posts in this topic for thast matter).
Especially in light of the specific acts that Licker is into, well-documented elsewhere here which inspire the same reactions in yet other people.
But the double-dick sex you like is just a heterosexual way for men to have sex with each other, reducing a woman until she is just a few fuck holes for the men to use TOGETHER. You are in major denial.
That's absolute nonsense. Fabricate your own nutty opinions of what this or that type of porn means. But you are in error to apply them, based on your own uptight standards to individuals. Anyway lot of guys like watching the same stuff I like to watch. That doesn't make anyone sexually gay, and certainly not me.
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Posted - Jan 27 2005 : 10:05PM
That's exactly what I think... DP's are not my cup of tea at all... they don't freak me out but watching two cocks hiding the really interesting parts is just boring to me. (Now you surely think I'm a pervert...)I think you're right (again), and I tend to belong to the latter group. How can anyone not wanting to be the guy who does Selena Silver? When there is Selena to be seen, I'd like to see as much Selena as possible... I want to absorb your entire beauty with my eyes (which of course is only possible with the nice side effect of eternal life, but I could deal with that).I absolutely agree again, that is, I didn't know about gay men really being turned off by women but I agree with your opinion. Just because watching men engaged in homosexual acts would give me the shivers doesn't mean I'm intolerant. Tolerance doesn't mean enthusiasm. I think you can only be tolerant about topics you don't like yourself. To tolerate something means to suffer it without complaint and not to discriminate others because of their attitudes to that subject, but it does not mean you like it yourself. And nobody can demand I have to crave gay porn.
In fact to me it's also very hard to believe how a man cannot love to bury his head deep in a woman's lap. It's half of a miracle to me that most of the guys don't fantasize about girls straddled above their heads and leaking pussy juice all over their faces and tongues. But I'd not be offended if someone thinks that's disgusting. You don't have to do it, you don't have to watch it, you can even use that fantasy in order to make a vomit movie, just don't expect me to watch it. One single girl who is into my fantasy and shares it with me would be enough to make me happy, even if I'm the only man left with that opionion. (And I'm not, right, licker? )
Most of the porn watching crowd become desensitized. The name of the game is getting better and better looking girls to do the nastiest things. I don't think any straight guy watching a double penetration is thinking how nice Mark Ashley's anus looks. They are thinking, "Holy shit, Teagan is getting double-fucked and I'm out of Baby Lotion!"
Man, you hit right on the nail head. That's exactly how it is! It's a kick to watch really good looking girls getting slammed in the nastiest ways. Personally, I have no problem with that either. I don't care who finds it degrading for women. Some people just read into things too much, and things become distorted. It's really very simple actually.
Mark Ashley's anus is just as likely to appear in a regular boy-girl scene. It's about the cocks not the anus. An incidental shot of a man's anus in a straight porn is very different from two dicking rubbing together in a tight hole on purpose. Scientific studies have shown that something like 99% of heterosexual masculine men will get aroused just from the sight of an erect cock. Whether or not they admit it, in watching DAP men are getting off on seeing two dicks together. It's hypocritical to claim it's about Teagan when you can barely see any of her.
Edited by - UCpanther on 1/28/2005 8:50:28 PM
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arthur Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 28 2005 : 10:36PM
Straight men like to relate to the men they see on the screen, whether it's a porno movie or a regular Hollywood flick. Heck, why else was John Wayne so popular? Guys liked him, identified with him, and even wanted to be his buddy. In straight porn sex scenes containing two or more guys, there's a spiritual link between the guys as well as a sense of competition and tension. Tension is a huge aphrodisiac. The straight male viewer gets off on all these elements.
Wow, that's the gayest sounding thing I have heard in a long time. This isn't meant as an insult but are you sure you are straight? "There's a spiritual link between the guys..." Wow. Dude, it's porn. To jack off to. You are taking it to an entirely new and creepy level. Also, The words "spiritual" "tension " "male" and "aphrodisiac" do NOT belong in the same sentence if you are a straight man. Again, wow.
I just looked up Liliane Tiger's films on adultdvdempire and she is in a lot of films with other really amazing girls but........THERE IS DICK ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE. It's honestly ridiculous. I'm really starting to think that straight porn has disappeared. What is this obsession with seeing 2 sets of balls, 2 hairy man asses, and two dicks getting WAY too close to each other? I think the truly straight man (if its on a sliding scale) would prefer 2 sets of beautiful breasts instead of 2 sacs. Come on now.
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arthur Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 29 2005 : 1:36AM
SCandMS,
Straight porn scenes with two or more guys in them are not gay. They are what I call "homo-social". If it was gay the guys would be doing each other, which they clearly aren't. It is perhaps your own insecurities that drive you to the gay conclusion. It's still straight porn from any common-sense, logical viewpoint.
Arthur is right as rain here. Absolutely. This is basically what I've said before. "Homo" meaning the same, right? Like male bonding at the orgy.
DMJ
Edited by - Para13 on 1/29/2005 3:36:25 AM
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Posted - Jan 29 2005 : 4:54AM
Now this has turned really scary homophobic here!
After 23 years of b/g-porn consume and dotzens of girls I fucked in private I do learn that actually enjoying DAP I was gay. Honestly I dont care. All I care is about fresh new girls getting fucked the dirtiest way possible and put on dvd for me.
Why dont you form a strong 1on1-lobby crying out loud again and again here on the forum instead of this negative homo-bashing?!
The homo-bashing is coming from people who deny the reality of DAP.
Anyone who is 100% Straight would be turned off by any male-male contact which is not accidental. No question.
Baseball is “homo-social”. Two dicks rubbing together in a tight hole is Very Deliberately Bisexual.
It doesn’t mean you are abnormal. Bisexuality was normal for men in Ancient Greece until the Judeo-Christian dogma took over. It’s not the same as being gay.
So don’t be in denial about double anal, double blowjob. If you were 100% Straight it would turn you off.
I completely agree with UCPanther. DP and DAP and all that other stuff is a lot more than "homo social". I really don't think guys that are 100% hetero can honestly be turned on by those kinds of scenes. My college buddies and I enjoy porn as much as the next guy but if I brought some of those DP and DAP films to the next bachelor party they would all probably shield their eyes and tell me to turn it off. Again, that doesn't mean it's wrong or abnormal. IMO it only means that those films cater to those that are a little further along the scale if you get my drift. At least you aren't watching Slap Happy by Coffee Ron.
Arthur, yes, it's my own insecurities. I don't enjoy seeing guy's balls smacking each other and 2 dicks crowding the camera lens so it must be that i'm insecure. Exactly. That's it. All I said was you are taking it to an entirely creepy and homosexual level when you say things like, "the guys have a spiritual connection and there is tension". Wow, a lot of the guys are probably thinking about what they are going to have for lunch or baseball or what club they are going to tonight.
I wrote that because I COMPLETELY misinterpreted what Loraine was saying. I mean COMPLETELY. It's early here and I apologize. I edited my post. It was meant to be humorous Loraine. My apologies.
Typical political correctness at work: I bet there are tons of gays and lesbians who find heterosex in porn "disgusting;" But say the same thing about gay porn, and, bingo, the army of pseudo-enlightened pc mollycoddles comes out in full force.
Next time I'm at a party, I'll walk up to a lesbian and say: hi, sweetie, suck my dick; come on, lighten up, don't be hetero-phobic.
Or, why doesn't gay porn start including hetero scenes?
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