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| Asmodeus Lord of Lust  az-mo-day-us 6338 Posts 10/01 |  Posted - Jan 20 2007 : 5:15AMBy Bryan Gardiner and PC Magazine It's a dirty little secret that's not all that dirty (or secretive) for those who follow technology trends. The porn, or "adult industry", to use today's preferred nomenclature, tends to serve as something of an oracle when it comes to predicting which technologies eventually make their way into the marketplace and which ones don't. If you want to know where consumer technology is heading, look to porno and war, or so the axiom goes. Twenty-five years ago, it was the adult industry that played a major role in shaping the future of American home entertainment, at least for the following 15 years or so. Suffering from stagnant theater and video-booth revenues, the industry made a bold decision to shift toward a new method for distributing its content. In the process, porno cozied up to a budding VHS format in lieu of what many considered to be its superior Betamax cousin. Granted, Sony (the progenitor of Betamax) had a lot to do with that ultimate decision, essentially refusing to let its burgeoning format be sullied by pornography hawkers. But nevertheless, when the adult industry gave the thumbs up to VHS, the result of the format war was pretty much a foregone conclusion. What followed is now common knowledge. The explosion in the early 80s of VCRs and home-video rentals did for the adult industry pretty much what TV did for pro football. Today, of course, there is a new format war at hand, one between two high-definition discs whose similarities far outweigh their differences. Nevertheless, whether it be out of habit or simply a wish for the whole thing to be over and done with, many have started looking toward the adult entertainment industry to get a better feel of which way the high-definition winds are truly blowing. As was expected, the 2007 CES saw even more posturing and politics between the Blu-ray and HD DVD camps, with each side announcing a new set of alliances and predicting that the end of the war was imminent. Indeed, the success of this high-definition duel, as many have noted, will likely hinge on the partnerships that each coalition creates both with the consumer electronics and film industries. And while today's home video market environment is far different from that of the 1980s, the adult industry is again poised to play another leading role in the final outcome. That is, if it can choose. Although the vagaries of entertainment accounting have become legendary, it is universally acknowledged that the U.S. adult-film industry, at around $12 billion in annual sales, rentals, and cable charges in 2006, is an even grander and more efficient moneymaking machine than legitimate mainstream American cinema (the latter's annual gross came in at $9 billion for 2006). During this year's AVN Awards, AVN (or the Adult Video News) is a glossy magazine that's basically the Variety of the U.S. porn industry, the media network released its annual survey of the U.S. adult entertainment industry. The figures were impressive. Total revenue for 2006 came in at an astounding $12.92 billion. Overall, delivery costs were down for the year, according to AVN, a fact that supposedly accounted for the industry's continued growth. On the video side of things, while the adult industry saw a significant decrease (15 percent) in sales and rentals last year, the sector managed to remain the largest (28 percent) in the adult entertainment market, accounting for $3.6 billion in 2006 -- this, despite increasing competition from alleged Internet-based methods of pornographic distribution. And with video sales remaining the industry's main breadwinner, it was only a matter of time before the first high-definition adult film made its way to the public. The industry, not so surprisingly, chose HD DVD. Like with a 108-inch LCD television, it wasn't really about practicality as much as it was being first to market—and finding a cheap way of doing so. In December of last year, Wicked Pictures released the industry's first HD DVD title, Camp Cuddly Pines Power Tool Massacre. Vice President of DVD Production, Jackie Ramos, characterized it as a movie about people having sex…and then getting killed. Camp Cuddly also happened to be one of Wicked's more popular titles (it had already seen a DVD release earlier in the year) and the company felt there would be continued demand for the movie in glossier high-definition iteration. "A lot of people are, like, you sure you want to see porn in HD?" said Ramos at this year's Adult Entertainment Expo. "We happen to feel that they do. We didn't negate…we still haven't negated Blu-ray, but it was much more cost effective to go with HD DVD." As Ramos puts it, Wicked chose HD DVD primarily because of Blu-ray's prohibitive expense and lack of market share, as well as the fact that it is generally cheaper and easier to produce using the format. "Right now, [HD DVD and Blu-ray] are so new that people are confused. They don't know which format they want. Our primary goal was to bring some sort of high-definition product to the consumer. There's something to be said about planting a flag and being first, and we wanted to stay ahead of the curve as much as we can in terms of technology." In addition to being first, the plan for now, according to Ramos, is for Wicked to continue presenting its most popular titles on HD DVD and eventually move to a day-and-date DVD and HD DVD release scheme. Again, he stressed that the company was not ruling out Blu-ray. "At Wicked, we put a lot of work into our bigger titles," Ramos explained. "We put a lot of work into our special features. With HD DVD, we can offer a lot of cool features for fans, which we plan on doing as we move along in the year, picture-in-picture, commentaries, games, it's going to take a little bit of time to do that, but that's our goal." Jay Grdina, president of Club Jenna (and husband to the industry's most recognizable performer), seems to agree with Ramos for the most part. "It's hard because I keep flipping back and forth between Blu-ray and HD DVD," explained Grdina. "I just got a PS3, and I'm thinking maybe Blu-ray is really going to take off." But for the moment, he remains business-minded and bottom-line oriented, like any good adult industry executive. "For the adult industry, no one is really replicating on Blu-ray right now. The process is really difficult, obviously. The render times are two weeks or more and the costs associated with it are really high." Grdina even went one step further, adding that even releasing HD DVDs at this point isn't necessarily a sound business decision. "It's just not lucrative to make HD movies at the moment. Right now, you're basically doing it just to say you have it. The players are still really expensive and most people don't even have a way to watch the content." While HD DVD certainly seems to have its foot in the porn industry door, Vivid Entertainment, another high profile adult movie studio, announced plans to release on Blu-ray later this year, or at least to begin burning to the format. Steve Hirsch, who is head of Vivid, said he will also be using the HD DVD format due to its greater market saturation. But he also said the studio will begin burning to Blu-ray as soon as it's feasible (i.e. affordable). But Vivid may very well run into problems with the Sony format. Indeed, what all the adult industry execs seemed to either be avoiding, or at least not aware of, was Sony's continued resistance to pornographic material migrating to the Blu-ray format. During an interview with AVN earlier this month, Joone (a pseudonym used by Ali Davoudian, an AVN award winning pornographic film director/producer and founder of the company Digital Playground), said that he was basically forced to use HD DVD because no Blu-ray manufacturer would make his discs. While it's true that Sony has said it would not "replicate" adult titles on any format, meaning that it won't use its factories to produce Blu-ray porn, the Blu-ray alliance is saying something different. In fact, the veracity of Joone's claims were called into question earlier this week when Marty Gordon, vice chair of the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), was quoted as saying that there is no specific anti-porn mandate when it comes to adult material on the format. "There is not a prohibition against adult content," Gordon said in a statement this week. "The BDA is an open organization that welcomes the participation of all companies interested in using and supporting the format, including those that represent the full spectrum of genres in the content industry." Because of Blu-ray's late arrival into the marketplace, many are saying that Sony would do well to play nice with the adult industry, if it wants to have a fighting chance against HD DVD. Gordon's stance on adult content may be indicative of Sony's increased awareness of the role that the adult industry can and does play in such battles. Even though plenty of people will readily admit to Blu-ray's technical superiority (the format with a larger, um, storage capacity than its rival) history has already shown that the market does not always operate in a strictly Darwinian fashion. "You have to remember that the adult industry is low entry," Grdina explained. "It's a low hanging fruit. You grab it in a few seconds. It's not necessarily about what's best but what is cheapest, what's most accessible." "I think whatever we [the adult industry] actually pick, the market is going to follow. But that's still very much up in the air." Edited by - Asmodeus on Jan 20 2007 [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 20 2007 : 6:09AM [Link] |
| Lance Member My Life Sucks 386 Posts 4/05 | Posted - Jan 20 2007 : 12:03PM [Link] |
| coachcam Member 218 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Jan 20 2007 : 12:53PM Where Hi Def looks great on a big screen, put out by a mainstream movie company, the things we shoot, do not. A girl sits for an hour getting her make up and hair done, so she looks as pretty as can be. So far so good. But the shots we get for the viewer, that the viewer seems to want, like tight close ups and up and overs from underneath, where no make up was done, in my opinion doesn't look attractive on a big screen in hi def. When I have this discussion with people who favor hi def, they say, we use a filter to soften the blemishes. If that's so, I believe the hi def sharpness is defeated by softer focus. There is no point to shoot it that way. Bruises, and other skin blemishes made sharper and bigger are not pretty to look at, in my opinion. Just because something is out there, available to use, doesn't mean you have to use it. Like I said...just my opinion. coachcam [Link] |
| Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jan 20 2007 : 12:56PM [Link] |
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| gato Member 193 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jan 20 2007 : 1:26PM Back when VHS/Beta (and even DVD) came out, it worked with the TV you already had and you could see the benefits. With HD-DVD/Bluray, if you hook up one of those players to a standard definition TV, it would look no better than a standard DVD (I did this when I got the HD-DVD attachment for the XBOX 360). If I were to pick a winner (and it's just an opinion), my bet would be on HD-DVD. From what I saw and read, there doesn't seem to be a major difference quality between BluRay and HD-DVD. I've heard that some BluRay disc were encoded with an older codec which resulted in less than optimal quality in output (whereas HD-DVD, I believed, used the more superior VC-1 codec). So some HD-DVD titles may actually look better than BluRay. Also, as many articles stated, BluRay is more pricier (from the replication process to the players). Replication plants would need to invest in more equipment to make BluRay discs whereas HD-DVD discs can be replicated at these plants with less modifications. And the BluRay disks are more fragile since they are thinner. As far as the storage difference in BluRay and HD-DVD, although BluRay has a larger capacity, the capacity in HD-DVD is still alot. It really won't kill me if I had to put in an extra disc (or flip it to the other side) for the special features. Alot of my standard DVD's are the 2-disc special editions anyway. But BluRay still has the jaugernaut Sony behind it, so I wouldn't count it out yet. But BluRay is Sony propietary technology, so it may go the way of their previous proprietary stuff that hasn't caught on: beta, minidisc, SACD, memory sticks, PSP UMD's etc. With the PS3's stumbling out of the gate and not getting the best press, it's still a long fight for Sony. I think whoever markets the first $299 or below standalone player, can take the market. I think that is a good price point for emerging technology. With BluRay players still at ~$1000 and HD-DVD being at ~$500, I think HD-DVD can hit that mark sooner. As for me, I went the HD-DVD route mainly because of the Xbox360 (the HD-DVD attachment was $199). Let me tell you, it is awesome! The good thing is that I could just rent HD-DVD titles from Netflix, so I'm not spending that much money. So if by chance, in a couple of years, HD-DVD is declared the loser, I'd already have gotten the most $400 I've paid for HD-DVD ($199 + whatever movies I buy). Sure, the Xbox360 player doesn't have HDMI, but if in 2 years, HD-DVD is the winner, the stand-alone players will be more affordable. Now, this begs the question: :) [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Jan 20 2007 : 1:33PM And, that's ONLY if it is backwards compatible with DVDs and the blank media is affordable (not like today's double-layer blank media, for example). I agree with what coachcam wrote. Granted, there are a very small few directors, Jules Jordan for example, who could likely exploit hi-def to produce porn of jaw-dropping quality. [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 20 2007 : 4:39PM [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Jan 20 2007 : 5:38PM Why? Because the real limitation then was the television set(s) themselves. What DVDs brought to porn, IMHO, was the fighting chance to see images and hear sound of some quality as compared to the absolutely dreadful VHS tapes we were getting. Believe it or not, original top-quality VHS videos can be pretty darn good. What DVDs did was up the overall quality of the finished porn product the customer actually received, and, possibly even more importantly, added the convenience factor of navigating the movie easily (a must for serial masturbators) [Link] |
| Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jan 21 2007 : 2:25AM The difference could be even bigger with porn in HD. It's easy to act like you don't care about HD when you've never seen it. When you see how good porn in HD will be, people will fall in love with the new format. HD gives a much bigger sense of realism to the experience. In porn, that would make a huge difference. I think that porn is going to someday be a HUGE seller of HD-DVDs or BDs. I think one day there will be a thread on this form titled "Who else can't watch there standard Def DVDs anymore?" [Link] |
Gentleman Jon  All-Star Member 1881 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Jan 21 2007 : 3:08AM I think there is a basic misunderstanding between the technophiles and the low-income on this matter. I'm not trying to hold back technology, I just can't afford it. I'm not dirt poor, I do spend a lot on porn and strippers, but I live in a low rent apartment and drive a 1993 car, and HDTV sets and corresponding HD players are extremely low on my wish list for now. As for VHS, of course I like the chapter skip function and the portability of DVD, but how often was the poor picture of porn the result of the cameras they were using? I've recently watched an Elegant Angel couch-in-office movie that was originally VHS only but was just recently released on DVD, and some scenes on the DVD pixelated terribly when anyone moved quickly. Assuming they made the DVD off of an original master, that had to have been faults of the camcorder they originally filmed the scene with. [Link] |
| cubesnake Senior Member 3858 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 21 2007 : 5:11AM HD-DVD or Blue-Ray is no option for me too. Everything has to end some day anyway. I´m sick of following every new "gimmick" any industry is thinking of just to get our hard earned money. First we get "fooled" into getting digital equipment and then ... when most of the people got it ... things like scrambling systems and pay per view comes in to the picture. Not to mention that your new harddrive recorder you bought for timeshiftviewing probably can´t do the job due to that nice signal it receives from the broadcast company that forbids the recording at all. And let´s not forget those companies that (for years) have encouraged people to get free tv dish equipment now start to put their greedy fingers into your pockets too. The same thing applies to any company that intends to sell software to control our behaviour or ways we use product that we own. (hasta la vista) got it ? Why exactly should i like this new age ? Cube Edited by - cubesnake on 1/21/2007 5:16:43 AM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 21 2007 : 6:21AM [Link] |
| cubesnake Senior Member 3858 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 21 2007 : 7:56AM Cube Edited by - cubesnake on 1/21/2007 7:56:51 AM [Link] |
| pornlaw Member 578 Posts 10/05 | Posted - Jan 21 2007 : 2:43PM Just posted an article on it. Michael [Link] |
| cubesnake Senior Member 3858 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 21 2007 : 2:48PM Cube [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Jan 21 2007 : 6:19PM IMO, the problem getting BluRay replication done for adult right now is probably more of a supply & demand issue. If major Hollywood studios are going to keep the current replicators busy with runs of a significantly higher quantity of discs than the adult companies need, why would the few companies capable of pressing BluRay discs waste their resources on doing adult work. The same thing happened with dual layer DVD's during the infancy of DVD. There were only a few replicators capable of pressing dual-layer DVD's and they had all the work that they could handle from mainstream companies. As more replicators were able to handle DVD-9's, that market opened up to the adult industry. [Link] |
| Anime Nut Senior Member Too cool for Zuul 1925 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Jan 21 2007 : 7:38PM If you enjoy or long to meet porn stars in person (like at a convention... or an airport terminal), then you should WANT to see porn stars in HD. I just don't get the oft-repeated criticism of "Why would anybody want to see porn stars in high def?" I totally want to see porn stars in high def. I want to see a gaping anus in the highest resolution available. I want to see all the bubbles in a girl's saliva as it runs through the wrinkles of a guy's balls. When Peter North unleashes a signature load that ricochets off a girl's forehead and hits the framed painting in the background, I want to be like those people in the TV commercial - you know, the one where they're pointing at the golf ball in the grass. Only instead of the golf ball, I'll be pointing at a puddle of cum. "It's right there! She's looking right at it! Why can't she see it?" I hope nobody thinks I'm being sarcastic in this post. Simply put, if you have the HD equipment or the means to get it, why should you sell yourself short and settle for DVD's in 480p? And if you don't have HD now, you must realize DVD's aren't going away anytime soon. Can't we all be happy? [Link] |
| Walter All-Star Member 1445 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jan 22 2007 : 12:35AM [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Jan 22 2007 : 1:23AM At some stage before DVD replication, the picture was down-converted to standard definition, and so you can watch it on your standard DVD player and TV. IMO, yes - the picture does look better than the same picture shot in standard def. As an example, Vault of Whores was shot in HDV. The BTS wasn't. There is indeed a difference in the picture quality of the same shot. [Link] |
| 4theheart Senior Member pornologist 3102 Posts 8/01 | Posted - Jan 22 2007 : 11:45AM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 22 2007 : 12:39PM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 22 2007 : 9:58PM Would it be a sin for these people to actually look real? It's getting to the point to where if I'm browsing through porn pictures and I see the slightest detail anywhere on the skin (even if it is a blemish), I can finally get turned on? Real people get pimples, fine lines and cellulite. Real skin actually has texture and (gasp!) minor imperfections. I think I'm actually more attracted to minor imperfections than I am absolute perfection (or at least, the commonly held view of it). It's what makes a person unique. [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Jan 22 2007 : 10:02PM I just don't want to see the truly unappealing stuff in all its hi-def glory (OK, get a close-up of those surgical scars). [Link] |
| Anime Nut Senior Member Too cool for Zuul 1925 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Jan 23 2007 : 4:16AM And 360 looks goooood on HDTV. [Link] |
| Anime Nut Senior Member Too cool for Zuul 1925 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Jan 23 2007 : 4:36AM I anxiously await Island Fever 4 on HD-DVD... although that $49.99 price tag is downright horrific. Still, there's a movie with visuals that more than justify the HD upgrade. Same goes for a gonzo title like Jenna Haze: Darkside . I believe Jules Jordan's work needs to be seen in HD, and you gotta admit that seeing a high def Jenna Haze in your own home sounds pretty tempting. I personally can't await for Jules Jordan Video to make an announcement regarding HD releases. With all that said and done, if you still don't wanna see the "worst" of porn in HD - then stick with DVD. Nobody's forcing anybody to upgrade to HD. Not for a long time. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jan 23 2007 : 5:56AM But anyway....that's why porn is a young person's game as far as performances go. Very few people age gracefully and most people pick up scars and assorted other blemishes, wrinkles and so on and so forth over the years. These things may not have been quite as obvious in the days before DVD (Not to mention Hi Def) but it was still pretty noticeable when a star was reaching the point to where they needed to think about moving behind the camera or something. But for the fresh, beautiful 18-25 (ish) year olds (and older in some rare cases), why would anyone NOT want to see them as close to real life as possible? That's what porn is all about. Jacking off to gorgeous hotties. Standard definition can be OK (some DVDs don't look much better than VHS...if at all). It can even be pretty damn good on a smaller set or a computer monitor. I'm just wondering if the leap to Hi def is really going to make that much difference for the average (relatively) low budget porn flick. If they can't make standard definition look (and sound) as good as it can, does anyone really expect them to take full advantage of hi def? Edited by - RandomPrecision on 1/23/2007 6:56:53 AM [Link] |
| Walter All-Star Member 1445 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Jan 23 2007 : 10:33AM [Link] |
| Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02 | Posted - Jan 23 2007 : 2:27PM It's and article about how pornstars hate HDTV because it exposes their so-called flaws. [Link] |
| gato Member 193 Posts 3/05 | Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 11:12AM [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 1:15PM Clam [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 1:16PM [Link] |
| Clam Digger Deactivated User Many a man fails as an original thinker simply because his memory is too good. 2268 Posts 1/05 | Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 1:20PM Clam [Link] |
| DrP0rn0 Senior Member 1836 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Feb 3 2007 : 7:34PM You know it never fails to surprise me how short sighted most people are. A lot of people here, and a lot of people in those videos seem to have nearly written off BD already. Reasons? Ummm.. the players are 20% cheaper in the first generation. Yawn. The first generation is an experiment. Things will change. The duplication houses can duplicate HD-DVD without a lot of hassle RIGHT NOW! Yawn. Sony doesn't want *it's* own houses duplicating adult. Yeah, and Disney is putting pressure too. This hasn't stopped Vivid now has it? Even in this early, early stage with less than 500 titles TOTAL from both camps in ANY format, we've already got a BluRay Disc house that's going to duplicate media for Vivid. Hmmm... seems like this is going to be a non-issue to me. What kills me about this is that Sony is being painted as the "little startup" that decided to "go against" all the big boys in this fight. When you look at the list of consortium members on both sides, it becomes quite apparent that Sony is actually with the MAJORITY of the electronics industry on this. Quick, name three major electronics players in the HD-DVD camp. Ok, Toshiba.... Ummm... HP, yeah HP! Oh yeah, HP is part of BluRay too. Ooooo, I know, Microsoft! They're not an electronics OR entertainment company, but they do have market influence. How about Intel? <shrug> Who cares. There are no other electronics players associated with HD-DVD. What about Blu-Ray? Well, it's basically EVERYONE else: Phillips, LG, Hitachi, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung, Thompson, and Sharp. Did I mention that Dell, Apple, and HP are also members? So, aside from all of the short sighted bullshit, HD-DVD doesn't have any big advantages, from a technical standpoint, from a market capture standpoint, or really from anything else except for the HD-DVD hype machine. I just loved that the spokesperson in the video said "HD-DVD, it's just a natural fit for my HD TV." Brilliant. It uses the same letters so it's got to be right. Right? HD-DVD may still become the dominant format. If so, I hope this happens for good reasons, not just perception and marketing BS. Really all I want is for one of two things to happen: A) A very quick shakedown of this format war, with a winner decleared. B) Multi-format players so I can just ignore all of this and watch whatever production companies produce on whatever format they choose. Dr. P [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 12:59AM [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 2:18AM [Link] |
| Gentleman Jon All-Star Member 1881 Posts 6/05 | Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 5:54AM [Link] |
| DrP0rn0 Senior Member 1836 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 12:20PM Dr. P [Link] |
| DrP0rn0 Senior Member 1836 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Feb 4 2007 : 12:25PM Sony has a track record of doing this, so I was quick to think the same thing. But in this case, I think it's different. Look at what I wrote above. Toshiba is the driving force behind HD-DVD. They are hardly "the industry". Sure Sony and Phillips founded BD, but look at the list of BD members man. It's pretty much everyone but Toshiba, Microsoft, and some production companies. In this case, Sony happens to have the majority. Dr. P [Link] |
| EBastard Member ^The only one keeping it real. 636 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 3:35AM PS3 sucks. [Link] |
| tricia_devereaux Evil Angel DVD Patience is a virtue, but who wants to be virtuous? 4283 Posts 4/00 | Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 1:36PM But I don't think that's exclusive to preparing a Blu-Ray disc. The render time is rendering the HiDef footage that applies to the movie and to the menus, so I am making the assumption that there will be little difference in render time for HD-DVD and BD. However, since BDs have more space, there is hypothetically less compression that needs to happen (yes, we're still talking compression here folks - even with ALL that space). Not to mention that several of the current and in-the-works porn HD-DVDs that are being accomplished are being put on DVD-9s instead of HD format optical discs, which means even LESS disc space than a true BD. I was just told last month that an Evil Angel 2-disc set would NOT fit in HD format on an HD-DVD that is done using a DVD-9. So we'd still be using 2 discs... :( I'm waiting and watching... and hopefully doing a little learning in the process. I've never pretended to be at the head of the learning curve at the beginning, I just try my hardest to stay strong and steady through the end of the race. [Link] |
| Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Feb 7 2007 : 1:00PM I think you might have been fed the same Blu-Ray propaganda that many have eaten. Don't buy it. I just watched King Kong on HD-DVD and it was amazing. I'm aure if the entire 3+ hour HD movie can fit onto one disc including special features and a standard Def version, any Evil Angel release can easily, Especially if all the special features are in Standard Def. [Link] |
| Anime Nut Senior Member Too cool for Zuul 1925 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Feb 7 2007 : 4:23PM If Evil Angel or any other porn company were to use the standard HD-DVD optical disc format, then two discs wouldn't be necessary. And I agree - King Kong on HD-DVD does indeed look amazing. Now if only they'd release the Extended Edition on this format. [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Feb 7 2007 : 7:55PM I don't know why DVD-9's are being used for other releases. But I don't think that it's a good idea. Edited by - Bill on 2/7/2007 8:26:51 PM [Link] |
| Anime Nut Senior Member Too cool for Zuul 1925 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Feb 7 2007 : 8:17PM Seriously, I love what I've seen of Island Fever 4, but I'm still not prepared to shell out $49.99 for the HD-DVD, especially if it turns out to be only 720p. Any official word on that title's specs yet? [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Feb 7 2007 : 9:36PM [Link] |
| Darth-Morpheous Deactivated User 1701 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Feb 8 2007 : 2:10AM [Link] |
| Anime Nut Senior Member Too cool for Zuul 1925 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Feb 8 2007 : 4:17AM That was a quote from an old Wal-Mart commercial, back when DVD was just gaining popularity. Sure, the guy in the ad was probably some desperate-for-work actor, but he pretty much sums up my opinion of all sales reps in any major store chain. I on heard a Best Buy employee "assure" a customer that all HD-DVD's (not just combos) would work on his regular DVD player. A Circuit City rep asked me if Blu-ray discs look any better than regular DVD's. Bottom line: If you wanna learn about a new product, just do the research yourself. Darth-Morpheous: If you ask me, that customer you heard was just as dopey as the sales rep. Sure, VC-1 is superior to MPEG-2. Since Blu-ray is slowly catching on to this and using VC-1 more and more, this will eventually cease to be an issue. And even when you compare early releases of the same movie on both Blu-ray and HD-DVD, you can't honestly say that one "looks much better" than the other. In the majority of these cases, the HD-DVD looks marginally better than the Blu-ray, and usually only if you know what to look for. If I sound like a Blu-ray diehard, I assure you I'm not. If a movie comes out on both formats, 9 times out of 10 I go with the HD-DVD. That's cause I know HD-DVD simply has the better track record at this point. Blu-rays, on the other hand, are still hit or miss. My general rule is: For Warner Bros releases, pick the HD-DVD version. For Paramount Pictures releases, pick the Blu-ray. One exception to this is Mission: Impossible III, which is a Paramount release that looks slightly better on HD-DVD. [Link] |
| TonyC Comstock Films 2523 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Feb 8 2007 : 11:45AM |
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