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VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 5:17PM
I really don't know what to do. On one hand I know about everything there is to know how to make a woman cum respectively I know where to look it up. But on the other hand this is all worthless if you don't know how to talk to women.
I'd like to give a woman pleasure, especially with my tongue and fingers, but how do you ask for that? I don't want her to fall in love with me because I cannot give love anymore but I also don't want to go to jail for sexual harassment. Somehow I got the feeling that there is no line at all between being a boring ass-licker and an impertinent fucker, maybe it's even overlapping. Most of the time I don't even come to the point to start talking because they already signalize contempt for me when I look at them. Is there a trick or something that makes women like the idea of getting their pussies licked or is it just bad luck if you don't have the looks?
I fucking don't care should I sound like a loser, I probably am. Maybe one of you girls can help me anyway: What does a man you don't know have to do and say to bring you to the point where you let him eat your pussy? (I mean, the other way round it's easy, she can just offer a blowjob and I'd say yes, but that won't happen.) Why is this so damn complicated?

Fondling peaches, eating lychees makes me reach the state where Neech is.

GirlinDC
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 5:44PM
Breathe and start it one step at a time, Vincent. First, find a girl who might go out with you. Two, talk to her. Three, ask her out on a date. Keep repeating until you find one that says "yes."

When you do, THEN we can talk about the date and sex stuff, m'kay?

Really, it's not that hard. Just don't jump to third base and home, when you're not even up for the pitch.

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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 6:44PM
..and don't be like the Watabi brothers (SNL's Chris Katan and Will Farrell).

You wanna dance? Yeah? Okay? (proceed to dry hump)

VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 7:31PM
Thank you but that does sound far too difficult. I mean if I have to ask a girl I can as well ask one that looks at least slightly attractive to me. Unfortunately, these probably won't go out with me. Then, talking... I mean, I really can't talk. After hello I don't know what to say. I hate talking for talking's sake, you know, about the weather, the job (for those who have one) or other things I in fact don't wanna talk about. And I can't take any more girl treating me badly, calling me ugly or whatever. I just can't.
Thank you, anyway... I just hoped there is an easier way. Or why can't one of these so so emancipated women take the active part for once? I would make it easy on her - hell, I wouldn't mind getting raped as long as it's by a woman.

Fondling peaches, eating lychees makes me reach the state where Neech is.

VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 7:33PM
Don't know them but that doesn't sound like me at all. But I bet I would already have scored several times like that.

Fondling peaches, eating lychees makes me reach the state where Neech is.

 
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 8:30PM
You know something? You don't give yourself enough credit. I don't even know you, but you are one of a handful of people on this board that I make sure I read every word you write. THAT, my friend, is a form of attraction. I find you to be an extremely attractive person, and I don't need to see a picture to know that, and a picture isn't going to change my mind. Not everyone is like that; they just aren't.
I don't know your story, but it's apparent that you have been hurt badly by a woman (or women) before. Well, remember that not every woman you meet is going to hurt you. I have been hurt - I am sure everyone out there has been hurt. However, your own self-loathing could easily chase away otherwise interested parties.
He has to let me know him.
Ejac
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 9:07PM
Vincent. Threesome is right, and she speaks from the heart.

My belief is that there's a person for everyone in this world. You'll never find it unless you try. Sure, you'll get turned down along the way, but every one does. At least you'll gain an understanding of what you really want, and know what to look for. It may take a lifetime, but it's better to live life than to live regret.

I doubt you'll find all of the answers here Vincent, but I'm positive that you have enough friends on this board who will be glad to help.

Now go check your e-mail!

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Drunkenly?
myk
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 9:58PM
Vincent,

I think it was Socrates that said "And in knowing that you know nothing, that makes you the smartest of all." In most settings, knowing your limitations is critical to success. It seems that in a social interaction, there is a certain confidenct that masks incompetence. We're all a bit gangly and awkward socially. None of us know all thr right things to say. But a spot of confidence is usually sexier than wallowing in nerves.

Having said that, there's a difference between looking for sex and looking for a relationship. Most people want the relationship (of some kind) before sex. It's not what you say, there aren't magic words (at least none I know of) Its what, or who, the other person thinks you are. It takes time. And the reason its so damn complicated is because people are so damn complicated. Porn is easy.

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croy
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 10:20PM
Well you can talk well enough on this board. Talk and socialize.
When you meet a woman who laughs at your jokes and finds you interesting, stick with her.
If she does the hair flip thing and touches your arm and stuff like that, ask her out.
If her eyes dialate a bit and you can smell her perfume/shampoo better than before, batter up.
VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 10:34PM
Thank you, that's very nice of you.
But well, I never had problems to get female friends in a forum. I can even imagine coming across like an interesting fellow who likes going out, partying or whatever. Well, I'm not. I have two alternatives when I meet a woman, letting her know the real me or trying not to bore her to death but feeling uncomfortable myself. I told these concerns to my best friend before meeting her after having known her for three years. She promised me it's impossible she could ever be disappointed by me. Then I was all positive about it, but... let's just say she told me on the second day of her visit that she never felt so alien when meeting complete strangers as she feels now meeting her best friend.
That's just me... I can talk for about three minutes, and then I don't know what to talk about anymore. I just don't think my life is that interesting that I have to talk about it. I answer questions of course but I won't tell irrelevant stuff by myself. If the woman is a talker she won't notice because I'm a good listener but if I have to do the active part the whole thing is doomed. The girl I fell in love with was that way. I could talk to her for hours, and she liked me. The secret was it was her who talked about 95% of the time, and I was glad for it. But well, she liked my personality but wasn't into me. She could never tell me why but I'm quite sure it was just my looks. I'd have given everything for her. I won't feel like that ever again because I won't let it happen. That feeling makes you wanna travel to hell to find relief...

Another problem is I can't be myself in the presence of a woman, the girl of my dreams being a rare exception... maybe because she told me from the start we can only be friends. Otherwise I act under pressure and try to concentrate on saying the right things. I cannot make a single move without thinking about it before. Maybe you don't have to be cool to get women but at least relaxed. But trying to be relaxed is like trying to be spontaneous - contradictory in itself.
I just think it's unfair. I wouldn't mind at all if a woman had these problems, not to mention if she had the courage to make the first step. On the other side women can afford to be very picky because they're so sexy they can always get men. (That's not a cliché as long as we talk about sex only.)

It's great you like me, and I like you too, a lot, but it's not that I give myself not enough credit. I know I'm a good listener, I know I have a way with words, I know I can go to great lenghts of refreshing silliness if I have enough time to plot it, I know I can tell the most serious things in a funny way or vice versa, I know not everyone would understand my exposition about evolutionary algorithms, not to mention write it and I just guess (though I don't know it) that I'd be really good at eating pussy as long as the girl tells me what feels good and what not. My taste in music fucking rules, the same goes for movies. In my own world I'm a god. It's just that my own world doesn't matter to anyone else.
I also know where I suck, outside of my world that is, and that's at things most women won't forgive. There's no such thing as a woman in the double-digit ages looking for a couch potatoe that looks like a deformed David Hasselhoff. (See? I'm serious but it sounds funny... at least I hope so).
I just hoped there's some kind of trick that works almost every time. Without going a long way round like telling each other's names or worse, I mean. Well, maybe such a trick would soon be known by everyone... but on the other side who else is interested in eating pussy even without getting anything back? Except for one really nice Australian guy, of course.

Great Vince... you think anyone believes you you cannot talk about yourself after that ? Let's correct that... I cannot talk about myself in a way that represents the real me and doesn't spoil my chance of getting what I want. Women prefer popular assholes to nice losers in most cases, I think. I'm at a point where I say, pussy is pussy, I don't give a shit about how popular a girl is. Make it easy on me... what's so wrong about sitting at my hunting lodge smoking a pipe and waiting for the deer to knock on my window? A whole industry depends on that concept...

Now you should stop before she feels bad for trying to help you, Vince. Yes, I know it's too late but don't make it even worse. Shut up, Vince, you haven't told her about your 5 inches, yet. No, you shut up, don't you realize you ask for help but then won't let anyone help you? No, you shut up, you put us both in a bad light! Oh, shut up. (Please ignore my ill-bred other identities, they feel the changing of the weather.)

Fondling peaches, eating lychees makes me reach the state where Neech is.

VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 10:53PM
Thank you all, guys. I don't know whether anyone still takes me seriously after my last post but anyway, I am serious, but talking seriously depresses me so I have to tell it that way.
I still don't get it how so many people lose their virginity at an age lower than 20 because it's really complicated stuff. I'd say whoever manages this should also be allowed to do porn, LOL.

Just one thing before I'll stop for today. There are women who like me and laugh at my jokes, but these would never have sex with me. I'm good to talk to when you have problems or something. I don't know what to say then, but in many cases to say nothing is best, and I'm a champ in saying nothing. Nothing. See?
And I wouldn't have sex with them, either, because I know them too well already. Maybe I sound like an asshole now... but think about it. If I fail it's someone whose opinion I give more than a shit about who thinks I'm a bad lover. I'd be easier to open up to a complete stranger.

Fondling peaches, eating lychees makes me reach the state where Neech is.

Edited by - VincentVanGauge on 7/8/2005 10:53:59 PM

croy
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Who here is for kidnapping the Virgins of ADT and spiriting them away to a place where prostitution is legal? We will tie them up and toss them in with some $100s.
croy
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Posted - Jul 8 2005 : 11:07PM
Do you have women friends who like to talk to you? Some who are in relationships?
This is a good thing because all women like to flirt. This is even true, sometime especially so, when they are in a comfortable relationship.
Consider that practice for when you meet other women who have the right balance of attractiveness/lack of familiarity with you/comfort.
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Posted - Jul 9 2005 : 2:37PM
Vincent,

Use your qualities! You like movies, music, eating pussy- ask for pussy. You can spend your life on the couch not expecting much from a seemingly scarred heart, or you can bare the occasional "NO" from a woman that might very well say yes.

You would be surprised at how many women are as shy and wish the same. You can only attain what it is you go after. I see a very intelligent man who is going through a rough period in his life. To give up on love and on sex....no make sense Tonto!

You have a lot of friends on the message board, its a simple step to make eye contact and be you. Who cares if they don't like you; move on! You will eventually come across that perfect fit. She will be gorgeous, sensual, sexual and vivacious. She will make you feel like the wait was worth it.

And she will feel the same.

 
VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Jul 9 2005 : 10:03PM
I lost most friendships to women but I still got one. Another one who does 95% of the talking. I'd say I could talk to her about anything, sex included, just because I know we will never have sex. She's in a relationship and not into me, and I know her too well already (don't want to say I don't like her character; if I know a girl too well, no matter whether she has the best character in the world or not, there will probably be no sex).
I guess it's more than just a rough period in life when I can only exclude about 6 of 27 years. Now if these were at least very happy years... well, they were just not unhappy.
But thank you for calling me intelligent. When I read some posts here I often feel quite uneducated. But when I visit other sites I'm relieved. It's not my fault, it's that ADT people are a crazy breed of clever folks.
Thank you, these are really comforting words. You're right, I have a lot of friends here, and as for the rest, you describe what was once the dream of my life. I so wish I could believe you but I was deceived by beliefs too often. And then I think having no job is a major female woodkiller. I mean I could never afford going out once a week with her. When you're alone it's not that hard to do without some things like holidays or new clothes but I guess it's quite expensive to entertain even a modest girlfriend. Damn work experience... you only get it if you already have it... the same with girls, it seems.

Fondling peaches, eating lychees makes me reach the state where Neech is.

croy
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Posted - Jul 9 2005 : 10:29PM
I would think my presence here would at least make you feel more educated. You always know more than somebody.
See? Its all relative. Person A knows more than person B, person B knows more than person C. But A doesn't communicate with humor, or doesn't play well with others, etc.
So point 2 is that a person is more than just their intelligence.
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Posted - Jul 9 2005 : 10:31PM
Vincent,

Sometimes when we get in a funk, we tend to view the world as deceptive and cruel. This is all a part of the trials and tribulations that we have to experience to become less vulnerable and more skilled at attaining our desires.

Woman are confusing...[please hate me not, oh great Amazon Queen!], however, what is the worst thing that can happen if you try to get to know someone you like? Look at the alternative of not trying; sitting at home, posting on ADT! Not that that's bad mind you, but interests of the heart always win out in my book.

You can be happy, its completely up to you.

Be good to yourself and walk down the street, find a girl, ask her out- just because. See what happens. If she says NO, Move ON! The next girl comes along ask her out. Eventually you will get past the rejection and will be inspired to continue your quest.

Life is to short, Vincent. Enjoy all it has to offer. Try and try again and again and again!

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Posted - Jul 10 2005 : 9:31AM

Vincent. Try not to make problems that aren't even there. I think that you're over-analyzing this whole issue. Instead of worrying about rejection, or even scoring for that matter, just get your ass out to a club and try to have some fun. Really. And for fucks sake, stop worrying about being a loser or a winner! Casually talk to some girls. Mix the conversation up with a couple of guys too. Once you begin to feel somewhat comfortable with that, you'll look forward to more nights out. You might even make some new good friends along the way, and possibly meet someone through them. People like confidence, but the only way to get that is with practice. I saw your pic and really, you're ok!

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Posted - Jul 12 2005 : 11:15PM
Thanks to all of you for your answers.
I don't think so... but then I don't know about it... I'm uneducated.
There's a lot of good advice in your post. I wish I could do that. I really do.
A lot of good advice in your post, too. But what I quoted sounds like an oxymoron to me...

Don't wanna be in public, don't wanna get to know someone really well, just want to find a girl who wants to fuck me from time to time and nothing else... I suck at being a friend though I could have been good at it once.

I hoped talking about it helps but I guess I have too many issues. It's not only the girls... it's unability to live. Can't get a damn thing done on my own. Without my parents I'd have been worm food since long ago.

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myk
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Posted - Jul 12 2005 : 11:19PM
You're asking for a relative tall order here--A reasonably hot chick that doesn't want to get to know you but puts out occasionally. I don't recall many of them when I was dating, but that was in the PreCambrian era. The vagina makes up only a small part of a woman. Tough to get to know it without introducing yourself to the rest of her. Good luck.

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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 3:37AM
Vincent,

The trick to getting women is confidence. Of course looks help a lot but if you are confident, dress well, have game in other words...you can get some hot women.

Work on being more confident is my advice.

Bigbuttlover

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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 8:46AM
Vince,

Point taken. I wish you all the best in your efforts.

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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 9:46AM
It's different every time. The first time it happened a girl I was on a date with just unzipped my jeans without even asking and started sucking my cock. My first thought was "wow, she might not be offended if I try to lick her." I was right.

Another time, I was having a long kissing session with a woman I had been on a couple of dates with. I just whispered to her gently that I would like to do it, and her excitement was so obvious, I knew I would soon get a "yes". A few days later I did.

Just a hint about conversation. Girls will do most of the work if you just let them. They love conversation. All you have to do is be interested. Ask her about herself and how she feels about things.

Practice thinking of "open questions" like journalists and TV interviewers do. Never ask her a question that only needs a yes/no answer. Always make it a question that invites her to tell you a story. These questions usually start with "why", "how" or "what". Be interested in her answer and what it means to her. That will lead you to the next question, and the conversation will never run dry.

Practice, practice, practice - with every woman you meet. You'll get lucky when you least expect it.

"All women are beautiful. Some are just more beautiful than others." Robert Heinlein

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Why did this happen?
 
VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 2:26PM
Thank you. I know I'm asking for much but I was nice my whole life long, paid attention not to offend girls, to help those who asked for it, to comfort them, whatever. I really paid attention to what they need, but what's with my needs?
We men always have to be powerful. Girls can show their feelings and cry, and we're there to help them. When we are weak and hurt girls just lose interest completely. I'm not willing to play this game anymore. I'm done with always giving and never getting. I'm probably asking too much. It's still better than suicide (though I think about that every day).
At least I'm honest. I couldn't fake love to score with a girl and then leave her. But if you don't treat women bad, they don't treat you at all.
Thanks, I know you're right. Unfortunately the trick to become confident is getting women. The trick to dress well is having money, or in other words, a job. But there's no trick to be confident without love and success.
Thanks. I'll probably need it.
You're right. At least some women like conversation, and they all attested me to be a good listener and really interested (and yes, I am, at least when I'm interested in the woman, too). Unfortunately these girls didn't want me from the start. They just liked to be with a good listener. But that advice could work for me if I find the right woman. And that's my biggest problem. I can't just go to a woman and say: "Hello. I just saw you, and I'd like to get to know you... what about a date?" Or is that okay?
One was the only girl I was ever really in love with, and after four years I finally got to date her. She said we can be friends if I give up my hopes. I could see her about three to five times a year, and after 2 1/2 year she decided I still have too much feelings for her and that it's better for both of us not to see us anymore.
The others were all online friends from Germany, I didn't see any of them except one. That one was very suicidal and I have been there for her for almost a year. Chatting 10 hours a day with her so she can't hurt herself was not uncommon. I also phoned often and couldn't pay the costs myself. One of the other friends became very jealous that I spend so much time on her. These two began to hate each other and made it even more difficult to me. Chatting with both at the same time was hell. Once the first one just left the chat without telling anything. I took care of the other one while not knowing whether the first one will again swallow 20 sleeping pills with alcohol. The other one was so agitated that she collapsed the next day and just scarcely didn't get a heart attack. I really did my best and they both just thought I loved the other one more. In the end I was completely consumed, and when the first girl visited me it was more or less a week of sitting there in awkward silence. After that I never logged in that messenger again. I tried to go on e-mailing for about half a year because I was afraid they might hurt themselves. In the end I realized that can't take it anymore and told them that it's over. I guess most of those friends I didn't mention still don't know what the fuck has happened to me. You don't know how I felt and how afraid I was of that messenger, so I'll understand if you think it's my fault I lost them. Technically, it was. But that's about 18 months ago, and you still won't see me turn up in the chat room.
I still have a female friend in real life but while I sometimes went out with her to do things because she likes to do them, she wouldn't do the same for me. What's more she gets angry that these things are more important to me than her . Maybe she's right. She doesn't seem to be too interested in me and what I like, though she's a nice person. There will never be more than that between us, and I don't really do much anymore to keep that friendship alive. I just realized I don't really need her though I would never tell her.

Edit for too many mistakes to list

Edited by - VincentVanGauge on 7/13/2005 2:36:19 PM

lou sapphire
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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 4:10PM
Vincent.... maybe its time to shake things up a bit!
Get a new haircut, change little things about how you dress.
Reinvention is good for the soul, ive done it so many times when ive felt in a rut. You get a whole new set of rules to play with plus you get to explore other parts of your mind.
Were not one dimensional, but most people dont explore their other dimensions...men are the worst at this.
That guys messing up your life...get rid of him.

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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 5:01PM
Exactly! Vince: it sounds like you dont even believe your worthwhile, so why should the girl believe it? From now on when you talk to a girl, imagine she is lucky to be talking to YOU. Not the other way around. The times in my life i did the best with girls were when i already had 1 or 2 in the bag so if i got turned down by the girl i was talking to i didnt care. I spoke w/ such a confidence and self assurance that if they told me to fuck off i could care less because i got plenty of other girls i can hang with and these girls ate it up. The moment you seem desperate, its over. Looks really are not as important as you think. Another thing is if you dont put yourself in the position to get girls, u never will. what i mean is if you sit on your couch playing xbox all the time or hang with your friends who sit in their mothers basement drinking 12 packs the chances are highly unlikely that you will meet someone. Dont sell yourself short, there are alot of mediocre looking, and dorky guys going out w/ hot chicks. Why not you? (u know what i mean, no offense)
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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 5:12PM
Also, why not consider some mediocre looking, and dorky girls?
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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 5:37PM
Vincent, I dont believe this is about girls at all, your just using that as a reason to reinforce your idea that you believe your incapable of forming emotional bonds with them. Your lieing to yourself Because your scared. Your imposing excuses on yourself which sets you up to fail....You want to fail because it proves your point. Theres a part of you that likes this feeling, its comfortable and secure.
Like i said earlier work on yourself first...Its not easy your gonna have too break through the limitations youve imposed on yourself....change it up!

Edited by - lou sapphire on 7/13/2005 5:54:41 PM

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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 6:05PM
This is an incredibly personal topic but you're willing to open up about it and ask for advice and I think that can be a good thing. What you do with the advice is obviously up to you, but hopefully you have found the responses to be insightful and slightly motivating at the very least.

From my perspective, it sounds like you don't have the confidence in yourself to make it happen. I know some people like to say that you can do anything if you put your mind to it, but in reality a lot of us never reach our potential because of some mental block or personal problem that prevents us from going all out. Whether it's a deep rooted emotional scar or unfortunate circumstances that have hindered your growth, finding the solution is never easy. But not believing in your ability to do it is definitely not going to help.

I can tell you personally, it is very obvious when a man doesn't have his confidence going, and it really affects your approach. I've seen good looking men fail miserably at romantic endeavors because they had the wrong attitude. Conversely, I've encountered otherwise average men who had an exceptional confidence and a positive attitude who were able to overachieve and get women to do things they might have never thought possible.

Thomas Jefferson said, "Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude."

I don't think you have the wrong mental attitude Vincent, I just think you need a push in the right direction and people who believe in you. You already have made friends on this forum, and they think you can do it. When you actually start believing you can do it as well, it's quite possible that the pieces will fall together on their own.

myk
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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 8:59PM
Vincent,

What you're saying about strength and weakness is only true in stereotypeville. You just need to be willing to try again. Every one, and every time, is different. If you are thinking of harming yourself or others, you owe it to yourself and all who know you to talk to a real person about it. Now.

Myk

VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 10:47PM
Thanks again to you all. Keep the advice coming.
I can't answer to everything said now but I read it all carefully, so please don't be offended.
I don't know. I feel attracted to girls who have no clue how great they are, so I just don't understand that though I'm afraid it's true. I can try to be confident but then I'm not myself and still feel uncomfortable. I'm sure girls notice that. I also know that I can solve that problem with a few beers. Then I could ask about anything but I'm still afraid the girl will run to the police as soon as I mention I'd like to have sex with her.
Yeah, why not? I'm not into supermodel-type girls, anyway. Though maybe they have problems of their own and would feel even worse when they realize I'm not interested in a relationship and/or only ask them because I think they'd be in for lack of alternatives. But maybe I should become a little more egotistic. If I keep trying to avoid hurting people by not dealing with them I won't get anything. *sigh*
Well... no. I was all romantic, vanilla, planning to be married some day, with children and all. And then I found the girl... and she rejected me. I didn't want all that anymore, then. Call it stupid, but then you're calling love stupid. And hey, I gave up love because I thought the girl I deemed to be the best ever but rejected me was meant for me - now if that's not confidence.
I don't want to fail. I'm still a child inside, just grown up on the outside. I'm not ready for that relationship stuff. And I'm used to be alone and therefore need more freedom than others. Though I like your thought - you're right, when I fail I have at least the comfort I was right.
So it's me who gets punished for being excluded by everyone at school, for being called ugly by girls, for being ridiculed because of the size of my penis and what not while these fuckers all get what they want now. Sometimes I can really understand some people who do some things.
But I'm all for peace. I just really need to be a little more outgoing and to care a little less about what might hurt others. I mean, I'm really extreme in that. Damn, if a girl gets to have sex with me she should be happy. Yeah... it's just not that easy to get that in my head. But maybe with the help of you all...
Stereotypes may not apply to all cases but they exist for a reason... you're right about that I need to be willing to try again. I'm not really willing right now. I got to get in my head that this is about me. And that it isn't worse if they all hate me than if they don't get to know me. Maybe even telling a girl: "Hey, I'm looking for a girl, and I chose you. You have ten seconds to agree in having a drink with me. Otherwise I just ask the next one." That's no joke, it could even work after a beer or two. Some may hate me after that but when I think about it what's won if they don't hate me but don't care about me, either. I make progress. At least till the next relapse...
Oh, and I have told real people about hurting myself. They told me not to say that or that I should be beat up for saying it. But hey, I'm too afraid to do it, anyway. So I can as well go trouble a girl with my presence.

Thank you all for your patience, I know I'm a difficult piece of man. By the way, we should help dragonsbum to get laid, too. That guy doesn't know how hilarious he is so someone should tell him.
But enough for now, I need to go posting some silly stuff in other threads.

You just spent three seconds of your life to read this. You wanna fuck me

lou sapphire
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Posted - Jul 13 2005 : 11:17PM
Vincent.. ive been there...Youve insulated yourself..like when you roll up in a ball and it feels secure...then fear kicks in
you dont want to let your guard down...trust is something that must be earned and youll put people to the test, which theyll fail. Its not gonna be easy!
maya
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Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 12:07AM
You can't allow yourself to be "punished" for being ridiculed...you can't let what others say effect you, and that is the hardest thing to learn. No, you shouldn't start to care less about what might hurt others...despite what you think, girls don't find heartless guys attractive. It may seem like girls always go with the guys that treat them like shit. Which is true in a lot of cases...but girls fall in love with guys that treat them with the most respect. You do need to be willing to try again...but if you aren't willing to, it's never going to happen.
 
CG_Gurl80
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Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 12:16AM
I'm with Maya on this one. If you go into any given situation with a negative attitude or otherwise detrimental disposition, you have already lost. More often than not, if you feel sorry for yourself, nothing positive ever comes out of that.

And Maya is also right about the type of guys that girls actually fall in love with. We might want to fuck the bad boys while we're still young and free, but who the hell wants to settle down with an asshole?

Most of the time, i'm inclined to believe that situations, regardless of their nature, work themselves out. This is not one of them. I don't think you will achieve what you want by sitting around and feeling bad about yourself or how others have treated you. I've been down in the dumps myself before, I know how tough it can be. But as long as you have some semblance of hope and the willingness to keep on going, you're already ahead of where you were yesterday.

bigbuttlover
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Posted - Jul 14 2005 : 12:26PM
Vincent,

Do you workout at all? Get a gym membership, get fit. That will already improve your confidence greatly. Also, you can dress well for cheap. Go to Macy's or something, not expensive and you can look pretty damn good.

Then just talk to a girl with a shit load of confidence and you will be getting laid left and right, trust me on this one.

Bigbuttlover

VincentVanGauge
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Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 4:59PM
Whew... that's gonna be really, really hard. My confidence crashes to pieces in the presence of women and I don't know how to change it, except trying to be cool and pretending I'm not interested in them which only leeds to me really not being interested in them...

And I have to say again, I don't wanna settle down with a girl right now, I don't want a girl to fall in love with me because it would only hurt her. I'm perfectly fine if she just wants to fuck me, so I think becoming a little more evil would just be the right thing. Hey, I have a lot to make up for sexwise until I even think about settling down with a girl. I have no money, anyway, so that wouldn't work yet.

And no, I don't exercise, and I won't go to the gym. While this may be a good thing for most people to gain confidence it would be the opposite for me. I can imagine all the pitiful looks I'd get by artificially tanned muscular machines. I would feel completely out of place there. No, if I have to take a girl the way she is (though that's how I like them best) and make the first step she should also take me the way I am or go back the way she came from. If I cannot be loved for who I am then I'm best off with my favourite sex doll Kaori.

Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate your advice and don't want to be rude, and I'm sure it would work for most but I'm too complicated to find an easy way to deal with the complicated (but immensely beautiful) sex.

You just spent three seconds of your life to read this. You wanna fuck me

Kperv
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(She slipped)

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1/04
Posted - Jul 15 2005 : 5:18PM
Seriously, that has never been the case in any gym I've ever visited.
The regulars there have been more likely to be helpful if asked, than sneer at any newcomers.
rolemco
Member

220 Posts
7/05
Posted - Jul 25 2005 : 3:17PM
Holy shit this board is better than therapy! Vincent- I've had 20 something partners and an ex wife. Done pretty much everything sexually, and for some reason I still dread the approach process. I too have felt the look of consternation whether actual or not, I also feel the self destructive "well if she's attracted to me there must be something wrong with her?" on occasion. If it's any consellation though you'd never want it to get boring. The uncertaintity, nervousness, sweaty palms, are all part of the "the thrill of the chase" instinct also. You wouldn't want it to get boring or you'd wind up like one of those henpecked elders in the supermarket that only speak to each other in put downs. good luck
rolemco
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Posted - Jul 25 2005 : 3:52PM
from a different point, it does sound like self esteem issues are a major hurdle. these can be caused by many things. fortunately or unfortunately there is a plethora of pharmacological help to motivate one to self improvement.
You should see a professional, just as viagra is extremely popular so are prozac and paxil. only an md will know tho, just take the first step, who knows you'll probably hook up in group! of course certain meds curb libido so wouldn't it be ironic if you became a magnet at the expense of sex drive! seriously though, be yourself, bear your soul to a professional just as you do here (he/she's being paid to help people) it's helped me in the past. from an analytical perspective the glass can either be half empty or half full.
when you pitch cards into a hat the one that goes in makes the ones that miss less important. again good luck and continue sharing your progress. one thing I think women would admire are the guts it took you to open up, not many guys can do that!
Robbie
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1/05
Posted - Jul 26 2005 : 12:58PM
Vince, I think you need to go back-to-basics. At lot of people have given you brilliant advice and I don't just want to repeat all that. Please take this in the spirit it is intended, I'm not taking the piss, honest.

When I say basics I mean basics. Maybe you can give us daily updates? Did you shower today? Did you leave the house today? Did you see any women? Did you make eye contact with any? Did you talk to them? Hopefully once we get the basics sorted, before you know it you'll be answering 'yes' to 'Did you get a number?'.

They are not gonna come knocking on your door. You need to put yourself in situations where you get to chat to girls. Let's start with at least 1 per day as a minimum. There must be a cute girl working at the post office or shop or somewhere. Yeah, she may be out of your league and you'll never get to shag her, but it will do your confidence a whole load of good!

kataboom
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Posted - Jul 26 2005 : 4:41PM
hey vince - i dont understand how you could think you are so detestable to women. is there your photo anywhere around adt or a link? ill wrangle some of my girl friends & myself to give you an honest assesment.
VincentVanGauge
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12/04
Posted - Jul 26 2005 : 10:58PM
Thank you all, I'm glad for all your constructive replies even if it doesn't always seem to be that way.
Thank you, but I'd prefer it to be a little bit more boring. I mean, what's boring for a man who has barely ever talked to women? I don't need thrill. The easier they come, the easier they go, but apparently I'm not made for relationships anyway. At least not with complicated beings and/or men which IMHO excludes the whole human race.
That's right, but I probably won't. I was there when I wanted to quit the army. The shrink asked me about girls, and I just said that I'm not really interested in a relationship right now but if I was I'd just go and pick a girl up. Didn't want to hear I should finally forget "the one" after four years and stuff. Just wanted to get out of the army as soon as possible without having to visit him again and again, so I didn't take the chance to talk about girls.
These guys are paid to help people, or in other words, they are interested to keep people as customers as long as possible, not to heal them. But even if I won't go I know I should.
That's right, and I can't do it, either. VincentVanGauge can do it because no one looks him in the eye so he doesn't have to give a shit what others think. He's relatively anonymous on this board, nothing can happen to him, he can leave whenever he feels bad. He also doesn't have to talk but can write which is much easier for him because he has the time to think about what he wants to say. This guy is everybody's darling at many places in the internet, he has a way with words, and women like him. But when he turns off his PC and leaves his ivory tower he doesn't exist anymore. While VvG probably talks more about himself than every other poster here, I'd never talk about myself in real life unless someone asks. I don't think my life is that interesting others want to know about it. I don't have a buddy for every finger on my hand, not to mention a friend who a) understands me, b) is trustworthy and c) has more experience with women than myself. I have one female friend, but she would prefer me not to find a girlfriend so I can be there for her when she feels like it. Of course I wouldn't even get any with her if she didn't have a boyfriend. But damn, she's a girl who enjoys to spend time with me.
Okay, you got me. I barely ever leave the house anymore. It's the only place I feel at easy, the only place I feel confident. Except at a friend's house, maybe. Whenever I take the plunge and go to a party or whatever I'm depressed when I go home. I feel alone among many and it hurts to feel that I don't belong to it. Eye contact with women or even talking to them is completely out of reach, I'm too busy trying not to feel bad when the contemptuous looks hit me. Knowing that, I prefer to stay at home in more comfortable loneliness. I know damn well that I won't get any that way but there's really no sense in going out as long as it makes me want to kill myself.
I don't know why, either, I just know that I am. I like myself, I wouldn't want to look different, and I always hoped someone out there likes variety. Doesn't work. Be the slave of fashion or die. I don't get it. All these beautiful artificially blonde long-haired female clones did never do much for me because they all looked the same. I'm the sort of guy who likes to know which girl to take home again at the end of the day. But the guys that get laid all look the same, too, so I guess my statement is just a minority report.
But I have enough evidence that girls don't like my looks. I posted my pic on a board for people to rate on a scale from 1 (butt-ugly) to 10 (drop dead gorgeous). I did this because I wanted to test whether these looks of contempt I mentioned were only in my head or for real. I hoped to score about a 6 or something which would have given me confidence. But well... after about 120 votes I averaged less than 1.5. I never rated a woman below 2 myself because it just doesn't feel right, but apparently more than half of the voters didn't have another choice than to rate me 1. You can't take such votes seriously? Well, I looked at other's ratings, and not only were they much better but also quite understandable. I also know a little bit about statistics, so I wouldn't have been worried after 10 votes, but 120 is fucking significant, there's no doubt about that. And yes, I posted my best picture.

I also posted another picture on another board. Most posters who are not drop dead gorgeous have about 200 votes "hot", 50 votes "cute" and 2 or 3 votes "not my type". I have 1 vote "hot" and 3 votes "not my type". I know the girl who rated me "hot", and I know I'm not her type, she was just nice to me there. Many probably didn't have the heart to destroy me even more but were also honest enough not to vote "hot" just because, so that must be a reason why I don't have more votes. That and the fact that I don't hang around there that much anymore.
More evidence: I got to know a girl last year, very hot and always very nice to me. I was riding (on a horse) for the first time in my life and she said I'm very talented (others said that, too, so I guess she was honest about that). I really thought there might be a chance I could have a little fun with her. Then a guy who knew of that told her I'm attracted to her. This is what she said: "That butt-ugly leper? Go and hit him on the head so he can't think anymore." Well, thank you, bitch. You're not even worth a meaningless one-night stand. Never talked to her again.

Edit: My pic is here. As I said I don't think I look that terrible but unfortunately I'm not the one to fall in love with me...

Edited by - VincentVanGauge on 7/26/2005 11:03:54 PM

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Posted - Jul 27 2005 : 3:19AM
Vince Vince Vince,

I have three suggestions for you:

1. Develop some self confidence.
2. Get contacts.
3. Hit the weights.

If you follow this simple three step process, i promise you girls will start noticing you.

Things you have going for you:

1. Your funny and intelligent.
2. You have a good personality.
3. You have a good heart.

You have the tools necessary to improve your situation you just have to utilize them...

kataboom
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Posted - Jul 27 2005 : 3:32AM
the best thing:

3. You have a good heart.

Robbie
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Posted - Jul 27 2005 : 5:15AM
Looks are not everything Vince!

There was an excellent prog. on Channel 5 last night, shame you would not have been able to see it.

In a nutshell it was about ugly guys paired with gorgeous girls. It was all very scientific with control groups and all that, and had interviews with people like Ron Jeremy and that scary guy from Kiss.

They analysed Angelina Jolie's radar, from Billy Bob Thornton all the way to Brad Pitt. They also interviewed former girlfriends of people like Peter Stringfellow, Michael Winner and Sven-Goran Eriksson.

Ron Jeremy is a good one. Would you say he is good looking? It's all about his confidence and putting himself in a situation where he will get laid.

threesomebody
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Posted - Jul 27 2005 : 8:16AM
4. You are all about getting your face all up in the pussy.
rolemco
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7/05
Posted - Jul 27 2005 : 8:26AM
Vince,

I think you got a lot of guys including me beat in the looks dept!

a. you've got hair!
b. it appears you have skin that will let you spend time in the sun without frying like a lobster.
c. get a haircut and contacts and you're a dead ringer for this guy and that's probably better than most of us!
http://www.stationave.com/images/Johnny%20Mathis%202.jpg
you wouldn't happen to play piano and sing, do you?

Robbie
Member

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1/05
Posted - Jul 27 2005 : 8:56AM
BTW Vince, those sites are totally hit & miss and you shouldn't worry about it. Once I posted the same pic twice because I forgot the sign-in details for the first pic.
One came out 8.9 the other 7.4
lindi
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Posted - Jul 27 2005 : 11:29AM
In my opinion, you don't look ugly, but you look intimidating and coarse. There are 'makeover' things you can do to polish that up -- trim the wild hair, groom the eyebows (you'll need it done professionally the first time, then you can maintain it), moisturize, get contacts, etc. Soften. Get a friendlier and more welcoming look. And don't scowl. Get some sharp clothes. The jacket in that photo looks like a 1980's jogging suit. I run a thrift store, and I have to throw away anything like that because people won't even pay a dollar for it. Average looking people are a 4 to 6, I'm sure you can move at least up there, without a trip to the gym. It should make you walk more proudly when you enter a room.

You can stay with the look you have, but, as Dr. Phil would say, "How's that working for you?"

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