Hey guys, I'm just curious... is it more of a turn on to see the guy cum ON the girl, rather than inside of her (cream pie)? Is it more satisfying to see cum shot in the girl's face, or breasts, or ass or stomach? How important is the external cum shot to your overall experience? We were discussing this over at my forum, and a large percentage of my fans don't like the "external cum shot" and prefer internal. But I was wondering how the typical porn consumer feels (my audience tends to be a little more "sensitive.") Thanks so much for your help. Nica
But WHY is it important to see how much "juice" he has? Sorry I'm a stupid girl. I'm trying to understand. Is it some biological trigger thing, like seeing another man's cum makes you want to produce cum yourself to "compete" for biological fitness? Or something?
Okay I read that link HeyNow and it actually IS helpful. It looks like a lot of guys do prefer internal, even if its internal mouth/swallowing. Verrrrry interesting... thank you! :)
Even though it is pretty unnatural to do a facial it's my porno preference. Or a squirt somewhere. I sure can't explain it but I guess lots of us have been programmed that way over the years. Plus it's not something that we always get to do at home! Then we know the scene is over. Yet, after all this time, it's really not that important anymore. The thing I personally don't like about internals is the aftermath close-up on the pussy to see it ooze out. One more thread: why do you guys love cum on our faces? where BigBobxxx said that "cumming on the girl's face is just about the most visually stimulating way to portray the cumshot on camera."
Just another bare bum in the shiower 1739 Posts 12/04
Posted - Feb 22 2010 : 5:56AM
The cumshot is all important, as it indicates that the guy actually somewhat enjoyed having sex with the girl. To that end, I prefer cum shots that are actually induced by a girl's pussy, hands, mouth or tits. I hate watching a guy jerk off for ten minutes before a body shot. Creampies are great, but I am always suspicious because they are so easily faked. I therefore like creampies when the guy is still cumming when he pulls out.
The cumshots are not at all important to me. I guess I'm fantasizing that it is me having sex with this gorgeous porn star, and never in a thousand chances would I pull out to come on her face or ass or belly or whatever. To me, it is extremely unrealistic to want to pull out. It's the best sensation in the world to cum inside your lover, so why would anyone, in fantasy, not do that. Even the creampies I have seen are unrealistic, because the dude pulls out very soon, instead of leaving it in, which is what almost everyone wants to do. It it were up to me, (and it plainly is not), I would have the dude cum inside the chick, and leave it in as long as he can.
I very much prefer to see the guy cum on the girl rather than in her. Remember, guys are visually stimulated, and the cumshot is the ultimate act of fucking. So seeing that blast of cum enhances the experience of watching porn for most of us guys. And if you want to talk about the difference between the sexes, men & women tend to interpret information differently. For example, if you've ever seen a hotel porno (soft core), where the guy "cums" inside the woman at the end, and all you see are clues to this, i.e. facial expressions, verbal cues, and the stoppage of sex, that seems to be enough for the female audience to draw arousal from. But for us guys, we tend to be skeptical, and think to ourselves that oh yeah, this is just a movie & he didn't really cum at all. We like to see the proof. It's not good enough to say you did, show us you did. Also, taking a cum shot seems to validate that the girl is really into the sex. I do love a good facial. But what I wish there was more of in porn was a greater variety of cumshots. More ass splattered shots, cum on the pussy (though I believe a lot of porn girls don't like this), belly shots, tit shots... I don't like creampies for the most part. In my own personal experience, I mostly cum inside my wife, as I'm sure most of us do. But I do sometimes cum on her tits or belly or ass. They all feel good, but I'd like to do the external shot more often, but that is more dependent on how I think she is feeling at the moment.
I like facials in movies and real life, it's kinky to have a guy cum all over you after a blowjob or handjob. But I admit, it's way to common in movies. Also I don't see the point to pull out while fucking, but as an ending to a handjob or a blowjob it's great :)
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Stalag Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 22 2010 : 10:29AM
Speak for yourself. Most of "us guys" don't want to see guys jerking off and "blasts of cum". Gag.
Stalag, I didn't say ALL guys, I said MOST guys. And I think that's pretty well reflected by the product that's being delivered to us. Maybe you don't like it, but most do. There are a million ways to depict a cum shot, and it can be done good or bad whether it's internal or external. And I never said anything about watching guys jack off. In fact, my favorite "style" of cumshot is for the girl to bring the guy to climax, not for the guy to be whacking off while the girl awkwardly sits there with her mouth open waiting for a blast - that's so uncomfortable looking for the girl and it's a turnoff in my opinion.
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Len801 Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 22 2010 : 5:18PM
Nica, it goes back to the way porn movies were produced (which means targeted for a male audience). The basic reason was to signal the end of a scene and to show that the performers were not faking it. In the old days the cum shots pretty much landed on the girl's ass, stomach, chest and only rarely and occasionaly on the face. The internal cum shots, for obvious reasons, were not depicted in porn movies until recently. You could not not really show it (internal shots) properly with the poor production budget and equipment they used. It would probably have required cuts/edits and longer scenes (movies were invrariably about 80-90 minutes long max) people would suspect they were faked. Even in the old days and even occasionally (due to a variety of reasons and problems with performers and production crew) some cum shots were even faked. Aside from the old reasons for showing "cum shots" (to signal end of scene, and that you were seeing the "real thing") the new antics involving "cum swallowing" and "cum swapping", "bukkake" have pushed the envelope and boundaries and a lot of women (i.e. female audience) are not really into that. For the most part they find that degrading as well as the choking, hair pulling and general rough stuff. From reading various posts and threads in this forum, it would appear that many disdain the scene in which after several minutes of varied sex play, the maler and female performer and actress quickly pull away and she gets on her knees while he struggles for several minutes to plant a cum shot on her face. THAT does not look very natural, and it seems detatched from what you have just seen. The "action" should move naturally to the end, and it should be something that the girl is also enjoying doing, and she/her face should not be a place where to dump the load. It's more exciting when the girl is (or at the very least makes it appear) really into that and enjoys having the male spray her with his cum. As it is now it seems to be something the actor has to do so he can put his clothes back on, get paid and go home. Just look at the girl's face after the actor has cum on her face. She can't wait to rush to the bathroom to remove that stuff off her face/body (and if the cum has fallen in her mouth, you don't see that many performers swallowing and appearing to be enjoying it).
You know, that's the thing I've really been struggling with -- authenticity, and how to let the audience KNOW that the scene is REAL when we show an internal pop. The creampie scenes I've done for Sweet Sinner were TOTALLY REAL (we didn't "add" fake cum to the girl's pussy or do anything to enhance the visual.) So ironically, as a result, they might look sort of fake! Meaning, it's not glaringly obvious that there's cum dripping out of the girl's vagina, because the guy came inside her in a normal fashion and didn't pull out right away, etc. As such, I'm faced with the dilemma of how to film a beautiful internal orgasm yet provide the audience with visual assurance that the guy really did cum. Because without that assurance... I mean, why should the viewer trust me that it happened if they can't SEE it? I would never fake a cum shot. I would never use pina colada mix or some of the other things I've heard of producers doing. The creampies we've shot are 100% real. And honestly, especially for the kind of movies I shoot, I think a lot of the time an internal pop is much more in keeping with the storyline, with the relationship that the two characters are supposed to have and the kind of sex they're supposed to be having. So this is the issue on my brain lately. I can't quite figure out a solution. But it's definitely interesting to see how many of you like internal pops -- at least if you can be assured they really happened.
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noballsbitch Deactivated User
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Posted - Feb 23 2010 : 1:39AM
Mouth shots only. I don't prefer vaginal shots. Ass shots are cool too but mouth shots and swallowing is the very best. And not messy shots, clean inside mouth.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Feb 23 2010 : 2:33AM
I don't really care that much for the cum shot although it has obviously become integral to commercial video pornography. Creampies would be fine as long as they didn't have those silly close-ups of the cum dripping out, the obsession with showing that is almost pathological.
I've always found external cum shots to be a huge turn-on -- in real life and in porn. I like a mix of in the mouth and on the face. I want the woman to find semen to be an aphrodisiac. A few of my woman sex partners have felt this way about cum, and I loved it. My favorite porn flicks are bukkake and gokkun. I loved Brandon Iron's "A Good Source of Iron" series. I liked GGG, but my faves are Japanese cum-themed videos: lots of cum (often more than 50 guys) and lots of cum play. I especially like to see massive amts of cum accumulate in the woman's mouth before a big swallow. Why? No idea. I just find the idea of woman who revel in semen to be the biggest turn on.
I always like diversity in pretty much every respect, including the pop shot. This is one of the things I like about older movies - in the last couple of weeks alone, I've seen creampies (with close-up of the dribble), facials, butt shots, internal with no close-up, chest shots, and pube shots. Watching new porn (except the Strap Attack movies - I really like the way they do it), every single scene has a facial, to the point of feeling clinical. I don't have anything against external cum shots - in fact, I'm aware that they're safer, and I'm also aware that many people practice this in real life to avoid pregnancy and STDs (even if they're using contraceptives). There are also some male performers who elevate the pop shot to something more interesting, and it can be kinda fun to watch. Bottom line for me: variety and a more organic conclusion to the scene. P.S. Nica - if you submitted to the Feminist Porn Awards, good luck!! Edited to add that I know I'm not a dood, but thought I would throw in my 2 cents anyway. Edited by - Gore Gore Girl on 2/23/2010 1:33:40 PM
My favorite cum shot is one that is very rarely seen, it's where the guy is fucking the girl in missionary and pulls out just after he starts to cum. The result is some cum inside her vagina but most of it on the outside, it's sexy if he then rubs his dick in it and she plays with it, with her hand. I've seen this on film and done it myself at home, it just looks fucking hot. I would guess it's an instinctive male thing, to want to see a vagina with cum on it.
I like the cum shot on the face after a good amount of sex. That is just me. I must admit that along time ago in a movie L'amour Angel took it internally from Harry Reems( very good porn stars) and it was erotic.
I'll say one thing for sure. If it were to be alot of internal cum shots,if the sex is passionate and the actors get into it, i can except that. You have put forward a good question. I apprecaite your looking at that part of it. Take Care. My very best of wishes to you!
Gore Gore Girl - thanks!! The Feminist Award show peeps invited me to speak on a panel at the awards, there so they're flying me out for that. And yes, rumor has it I'm gonna get a nomination or two... I really appreciate your wish for good luck! :) Now let me go back to reading what you guys have to say about CUM...
So... for the mouth shots, which a lot of you also seem to like... does that mean swallowing, or letting it drool out/spitting it out? Do you want to see the cum GOING IN to the girl's mouth, or should the guy's cock already be in her mouth so that you don't actually see it squirt unless he pulls out a little?
Congratulations! I will be there too, but being a lowly student, have to pay my way - I don't mind though. I can't wait! And now I have your talk to look forward to also. I'll let you get back your pop shots now.
I don't watch porn for "proof" of anything, least of which whether or not the guy is having a good time. So his popshot to me is totally irrelevant. I seldom watch pop shots anyways as I have so little desire to see a guy jacking himself off. I do enjoy seeing a good oral creampie, especially if the woman lets it drool out of her mouth while she's drinking it down. But otherwise....I'm not watching porn for proof of anything. When watching it with my wife, she sometimes likes to keep me from FFwding past popshots, so from a woman's perspective, I can see how it would be interesting.
I'm more for seeing what the woman comfortably wants in the end or is at least comfortable doing. The drooling/spitting out turns me off though. Just makes it look like the woman was against doing it for me. So I guess if there has to be a facial, I'd rather she simply swallowed it....if the guys loads isn't too big. To me, popshots, no matter where it lands, are only as good as the female taking them.
...for me the ideal porn cumshot has the following criteria - it should be prompted by the female partner - the semen should be visible going into or around the mouth - the woman should not swallow - any semen that enters the mouth should be allowed to trickle out, down the chin or all over the still twitching cock - as much of the semen as possible should end up on the face and/or breasts - the woman should be clearly either delighted or highly aroused by the pop ...the facial & cumplay described demonstrates that the action is real, and also that the woman is a real 'slut' (this is a good thing)... peace SRx best cure for migraine - masturbation & marijuana. Peace & Love!
If we can agree that most porn over the years has been made by men, for men and with a male point-of-view (i.e. what men find arousing), the importance of the popshot has at least one aspect that I don't think has been addressed. Specifically, from a male's perspective, sex without blowing your load just isn't really sex. Are there men who masturbate, and then quit (by choice) before ejaculating? I don't think so. Capturing female orgasm in movies is not an easy thing to do. This is why we call them actresses Don't get me wrong. When we see what we believe is genuine female orgasm, we men get pretty fucking excited by it. Cumshots are important to me. I want to see it (as opposed to internal). I prefer facials, but consider an overall mix acceptable. Honestly, I'd like to see facials remain a good 80% of the time. But, speaking of facials, all facials are not necessarily good, or entertaining. Weak/non-existent cumshots... Studs jerking themselves endlessly (quality editing can almost always fix this)... Girls waiting like chirping birds waiting (while the stud jerks himself)... Missing the target...
I think facials are okay if she's not on her knees waiting for it like a hungry baby bird. That's not something I can imagine any girl out there doing for pleasure, so for me it falls into the realm of circus acts only seen in porn. I can only hope Sweet Sinner won't start heading in that direction. Most of the time I prefer the shot elsewhere on her, belly, back, pelvis, doesn't matter all that much. Variety is every bit as important as GGG said. Not a fan at all of dripping internals, I don't know why but it looks somehow gross to me. So if the majority of Sweet Sinner fans prefer internals, let's either not see cum at all or at least not in a close-up.
I've always preferred facials but I do like a mouth shot with some cum play and cum bubbles. I like the girl to wallow in the cum. It's a fantasy thing too as not many girls will do that. For me it's quite common to cum in a girl or pull out on her body or ass.
This is my absolute favorite image in porn. Specifically when the girl is on her knees, head turned up with her tongue extended, eagerly awaiting her reward for doing such a good job.
The only internals I like are when there are multiple guys and one cock fucks out the other cock's spunk. If it's faked I totally don't care because is so fucking hot it doesn't matter. There is a difference between coming on a girl's mouth and a facial right? I don't mind the mouth and love it when it drips all over her chest. Girls don't rub cum into their skin enough. I'm guessing because it screws up stills.
My take - The pop shot is pretty important to finish the scene. I agree with alot of folks that no one wants to see the guy masturbate for several minutes to get there, its best if the girl brings him to climax by hand, oral or vagina. Also not a fan of facials, I just can't see a girl enjoying that in real life. As far as favorite locations in order: 1. External on pelvis / stomach 2. Creampie - preferably pulling out toward the end of cumming 3. In mouth - swallow or not 4. On breasts or pearl necklace
Posthum, I don't use "fake" cum in our internals, so what you see is really very little -- a lot of wetness, some dripping, but it's not creamily oozing out of the girl, because that's not what we see. I think some directors might "enhance" the creampie shot so that it's really exaggerated, but my whole philosophy is to keep the sex real. I like swallowing shots too, which I haven't done yet. So I'm thinking maybe I'll show the beginning of the pop shot and then have the girl take it completely in her mouth and swallow. That said, I'll try not to have her sitting there "like a baby bird waiting to be fed" LMAO -- that was funny, dude. ;)
Can't think of a better way to end a scene than a cum shot whether thats internally or externally as long as we see cum. A creampie is great, even though you don't see the cum at the ejaculation point just knowing the girl is accepting the mans seedlings is such a turn on because of the realism the act represents. However the cumshot on the girls face I like too, watching the girl waiting for the cum is so telling, it's very hard for the girl(imo) to hide whether she likes the guy, likes cum or liked the sex and if it appears she liked all of those points it makes a great ending to a scene I think.
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AsianAnalPantyhoserGuy Deactivated User
Ass fucking/ foot fetish/ pantyhose= insanity! 465 Posts 3/10
Posted - Mar 16 2010 : 8:17PM
I guess I'm a little sicker than the average perv because I like gaping women's assholes, pulling out, and squirting my load so that it falls right back in that pretty hole. I also like anal creampies. One thing I can't figure out is why most DVD's have a cumshot recap on the menu. I mean, are cumshots really enjoyed that much by heterosexual men?
To me.. a woman accepting a man's cum, in any mannor that he desires, is an incredible act of submission and an incredible turn on. So I think it more important that she eagerly and entusiastically accept it. Cum dodgers are one of my biggest turn off. But a woman who acts like his cum is the air that she needs to breath is HOTTER THAN HELL! I think a woman accepting a man's cum in almost an animalistic fit of lust, desire and need is not only incredibly hot... but that is also what I find incredibly romantic. Of course my definition of "romantic" is probably total opposite of most women on the planet.. :) But what I hate though, is the guy having to jack himself off to cum. I'm sorry, but if you have to take matters into your own hands, while you are fucking a woman that most of us would give an arm and a leg to be able to take your place, either you shouldn't be doing porn.. or you've done too many scenes in too short a time.
I will say that I'm not the biggest fan of popshots being edited like that Nica. I understand that guys can't always pull-out and cum right away, but still it brings the scene down IMO. I'm also not necessarily against the "baby bird" approach either. That can be pretty hot if the woman looks/acts like she really wants the guys spunk. A lot of the times, they just don't look into it though, and sometimes come off as being pissed by it. I do think the performers should have some kind of a say in it, or least know what you "expect" beforehand.
Hi Nica, I am a new member to the forum and wanted to reply to this. I'm a bit frustrated as I am a MAJOR fan of cum swallowing but having a hard time finding the 'right' kind of ending in a porn. What you describe sounds very nice. I don't need 10 men there, just do the scene as per normal but at the end please have the man clearly aim his cum into her open mouth as she looks up into his eyes (or into the camera), shows it to the camera (and the man) and then the scene clearly shows her swallowing the whole load. Please do not have her waste any by spitting it out onto her body or into the mouth of another woman. I just want to see the nice couples sex where the scene ends with a non-nonsense swallow shot as described here. Zero Tolerance and Pink Visual (First Time Swallows series) are two companies that seemed to get it right in some of their movies. Unfortunately many of the others like Barely Legal and many of the young genre always show the cum being dribbled down her upper body. That is a turnoff. Have her clearly swallow the cum!
I much prefer that the pop shot be seemless, so if they scene ends in a doggie style than it should be buttocks or back. If it's missionary then it's the pubic area or lower stomach. Although I rarely see these done nowadays. If it's a breast masturbation scene then it should be around that area. I can't stand facials so no matter it's a purely oral scene or whatever end you want. No pop shots in the fact or near it. I don't mind internals since I said that I prefer a seemless scene. I do not need the girl to prove that it was an internal shot by pushing the cum out. I can take or leave the swallowinf scene but only if it's a one guy. The cum gurgling is stomach churning for me.
OK, listen up pornstars/directors/producers! In the ideal porn scene, the guy should never touch his cock from start to finish! The girl should pull down his shorts, take his limp cock, and get him hard only using her own skill. If it's a creampie, he should pound her until the instant he starts to cum, bury his cock all the way inside her, and the camera should show his balls and the underside of his cock pulsing/contracting intensely. Then tell her to squeeze as he gives her slow but powerful, deep thrusts that make the cum start to run down his shaft and make it creamy. Continue this until his cock gets too soft to thrust all the way into her, then pull it out and show the cum running out of her hole. If it's not a creampie, he should always fuck until he feels the first spurt flowing, then pull out and instantly cum near the spot he was fucking. Avoid making a big production out of it with lots of yelling and never tell her to kneel for a facial! After he's expended himself, she should immediately follow-up with a blowjob that starts fast and intense and slows down and becomes more gentle as he loses his erection, until she's just playfully tonguing his limp cock-head at the end. If he was getting a blowjob, she should jerk him off on her face. If she was tit-fucking him, she either finishes him with her tits or she jerks him off on her tits. If he's fucking her doggy, then grind against her asscheeks and shoot as far up her back as possible. If he's fucking her missionary, then grind against her clit and shoot as far up her torso as possible. If she's riding him, she should grind him and/or stroke him to get as much of his load to land on her as possible.
NICANOELLE - I've given my opinion on this topic probably dozens of times in these forums, (I've been here too long), but you seem truly interested in learning what people like, so I will answer again. Yes, YES, A MILLION TIMES YES. In my porn, I LOVE FACIALS. Not orals, FACIALS. It is very erotic and stimulating for me. Especially when immediately followed by post-cum head. Especially when the female enthusiastically wants it. Or at least "acts" like she does. (Thank God for Kelly Divine Among others.) That is among the sexiest visuals in porn for me. And it really helps if the cumload is impressive. Some of these guys work too much or ain't eatin' right, or something's wrong, judging by these wack cum shots. Conversely, I-H-A-T-E-C-R-E-A-M-P-I-E-S. They would be a scene ruiner for me, if they didn't come at the end of the scene. Even if I've loved all the action right up until the creampie, it becomes a big downer at that point. Sometimes, KNOWING that it is a creampie ending is enough to keep me away, even with actresses I love. If I see ceampie or "squirting" on a boxcover or in an ad, I'm generally not interested. Don't ask me to explain it, it just is. BSD
That is weird... I was about to say the exact opposite, that if the guy needs to jerk himself off in the end, then the sex couldn't have been all that great. Personally, my favorite type of cum shot is to see the male performer have to pull quickly out of the mouth or pussy right before shooting his load. I like the shot on the face, breasts, or ass and can do without the girl playing with the cum in the end. But I do like to see the shot, then a closeup of the girl smiling in satisfaction at the end. And I almost hate to admit it, but I also enjoy it when the male performer groans/grunts a bit upon shooting especially when it sounds barbaric? - a high pitched "oh YES!" or whatever from the guy justs makes me laugh, but the grunting upon ejaculation I actually like.