I would assume JJ paid at least $5,000 for the female talent(total) in Perfect specimens 2.

Lets see, on the low end. 7 girls at $1,000 a piece . . . . $7,000, not including the bonus bj scene.

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you might be right that he was talking about hiring 3 or 4 girls to do anal for a typical gonzo video - i thought he was saying each girl gets $5,000 for doing anal.

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I reread it and think you may have interpreted him correctly. It just threw me because it seems so high of a price.

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Considering there is no real industry group that collects and collates such data, I don't think you'll get an industry average. That being the case, I also doubt any individual company wants to let it's competitors know how its doing in the marketplace.

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The average GROSS numbers we've seen is that a video in it's first run will often top out between $60k - $90k. Of course there are other financial considerations such as marketing, shipping, design, post-production costs to factor into that which suck up the gross profits. So of course you hope for a second run and third run where you start really seeing the profits.

Now of course my figures could be flawed compared to bigger company representatives who post here. But those are the figures WE have for being a small amateur company.

Of course talent costs differ depending on who you're working with as well. Like I somehow don't think we could get Krystal Steel to do an Interracial Anal scene for less than *Throws out a number* $20,000.00. But I am sure you get the idea.

I hope that helps a little and that I haven't totally fouled up the figures. As they are just off the top of my head.

Janay Brown - VP BKP

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Edited by - Tony Blair on 12/7/2004 5:25:22 PM

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But honestly it's hard to govern the tax rate on a per movie basis since there are other expenses to running the business as a whole. Staffing, (we now have a staff of 20 over two states), utilities, office stuff, a whole lot of travel costs. The cost of materials (Tapes, DVD blanks, etc.) There is a lot to figure into the entire deal that many people don't actually think about.

I was just attempting to address the question of cost for just one movie minus all the sattelite costs. I hope that helps.

Janay Brown - VP BKP

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If a movie we assume "nets" 50K...and it's a monthy feature take 50K x 10 that's 500K a year from one video series if I'm reading the above right (give or take).

Not bad.

I'm assuming this for one series. So, if your Toxxic, and you got 4-5 going....man, the cash can really ad up.

God...why didn't I get into the industry 10 years ago.

bjfan = dumbass

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I think this was a great and valid question though and I am surprised that no one from the larger companies answered it. :( Maybe they just didnt see. Because I for one would be very interested in seeing what the others have to say.

Oh did I also mention in my cost breakdowns about distribution? That could run a pretty penny as well.

Oh and by the way. USUALLY all the male talent is compensated financially for their appearance in the scene. This is sort of more of a legal thing than anything else having to do with releases and liability. Some form of tangible consideration has to be made. Even if it is only $1.00. Like ANY of you would want to fuck Jenna if you only got paid $1.00 to do it. LMAO.

Janay Brown - VP BKP

Edited by - BKP-Janay on 12/7/2004 8:35:59 PM

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Janay,
Is that u in your avatar...if so, I LIKE!

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And yes that is me, and thank you. And if you like that you should see our lawyers, our art director, casting directors and our Seattle office manager. The boss hired all hotties.

Janay Brown - VP BKP

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I take it that you checked out the staff page of our site then?

Janay Brown - VP BKProd

Edited by - BKP-Janay on 12/8/2004 8:35:40 AM

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It seems that Tricia has got an imitator in another woman working for the adult biz, but behind and not in front of a camera? NICE!
And thanks for your competent comments about the topic.
Seattle? Isn´t that the BOEING base and REM hometown?

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Edited by - Tony Blair on 12/8/2004 8:46:47 AM

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That's what I originally thought.

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And as far as the info, I just hope that it is somewhat accurate. As I said I just pulled it off the top of my head.

Oh and it's MS. No ring on this finger anymore.

Janay - BKProductions

Edited by - BKP-Janay on 12/8/2004 9:53:55 AM

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Within the adult market, there are many different genres; straight, gay, bondage, etc, and each genre can be broken down to many different niches; feature, gonzo, pro am, amateur, fetish etc.

The truth is that most adult titles sell under 1,000 dvds total. TOTAL. So figure 1,000 x $10 = 10,000. And that's if the studio can get $10 for their product. It will more than likely be in the $5-$8 range after a wholesaler, distributor, etc. This would be the GROSS. I know this may sound low to some of you, but it's the truth. These numbers are not a reflection of the mainstream adult studios.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that amount isn't worth it! Especially factoring in editing, replication, printing, marketing, sales, business expenses, taxes and PAYING everyone on the production end! So to hopefully make up for this shortfall, many companies start to "churn" out more titles, saturating their own market in the hopes that sales will "magically" cross over into a profitable area and everyone will start buying their product. Better marketing of better product is the only answer.

Unfortuantely, this is why half the companies that were at last year's AEE are not going to be there this year. And why half of this year's won't be there next year.

The cool thing is that the customer (fan) really gets the best of it! I can say the change in adult productions in the past 10 years has been fantastic, with the last 3 years really bringing out the best in directors, talent and studios.

That's why so many companies are turning to marketing their content online to make a profit.

A movie (and movie content) can be marketed many different ways: Studio mail order, retail sales, VOD - DRM, foreign, content and for some companies, compilation titles. Marketing and branding of certain companies is crucial to keeping up sales and creating a great company image. There are also a few of the studios that are owned by major distributors and adult retail chains.

I would venture to say "A Good Source of Iron" isn't an average porn movie. The guys (and girls) at PXP really have their stuff together in regards to sales, marketing and distribution. Having a company that EVERYONE knows is crucial; Evil Angel, Vivid, Wicked, Redlight, Anabolic, Jill Kelly, Elegant Angel, West Coast, PXP, DVSX, Hustler, Private, etc (please don't get mad at me if I didn't mention your company). It is an important part of surviving in the adult marketplace.

So, in short, a good (or bad) movie that everyone knows about and talks about will sell intitally. The good ones will continue to sell. So if you see a movie you really like from a smaller company, buy it. You never know when, or if, you will see it again.

I'm not even sure if I answered the question, but thanks for reading my rambling.

So my guess is $500 (sm. amateur prod.) to $10,000,000 (1 Night in Paris) over the course of 6 months.

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But I am glad that I made a good point or two. :)

Janay - BKProductions

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As to the question, I don't know, but does Janay remind anyone else of Grace from Will & Grace ? Not that I would ever actually watch that, mind you...

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Janay - BKProductions

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REM is from Athens, but modern REM is really based in Seattle. That's why he included them in the Seattle reference. Pete Buck moved to Seattle long ago, and all the extra musicians and key crew people are based in Seattle now.

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Janay - BKProductions

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I just took a look at your site (which, unfortunately, is not Mozilla friendly). There needs to be a move featuring nobody but Black Kat Production and production support staff (well, I guess you can swap out some of the guys, but the rest of the staff needs to be in front of the camera. I'm surprised that any work gets done at that place.

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But as you were saying I don't know what the big deal is about reporting on the costs of making a movie. I mean hey maybe if people knew the cost to loss for one movie they'd appreciate them more. :)

As far as us girls go.... Actually we all come from the more in your face portion of the adult industry. The world of lap dances :) Work gets done no problem. Of the three guys that we work closest with we are exes of one of them the other is gay, and the third has a wonderful wife and a baby on the way.

But thank you so much. I will pass the compliment on to the rest of the girls.

Janay - BKProductions

Edited by - BKP-Janay on 12/9/2004 10:05:09 PM

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If you can get the index.php screen to allow data entry into the username and password fields, let me know and I'll try it out again.

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Deja Vu Seattle baby!

I figured you were then talking about revenue after I posted. :(

The site seems to work using firefox for me.... GRRRR I hate problems like these. But we'll work on it.

Janay - BKProductions

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Stipe spends most of his time in New York and LA but still has a house or two in Athens.

Mills was in Atlanta for a long time, but probably goes all over the place.

Buck lives in Seattle, as do auxilary REMmers, Scott McCaughey and Ken Stringfellow and I'm not sure about the drummer they have now. Buck's wife owns the Crocodile rock club.

I;m pretty sure Microwave is still in Athens, and I know (producer/local studio dude) John Keane is, but I haven't been on the inside tip in awhile.

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The site looks cool, so I just used IE. I hate using IE, though, lol.

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Lots of fun stuff on the message board. Well a lot of shit talking among us staffers. But the board just opened. We're also holding a contest of sorts for the person who writes the best porn scene. =O)

Janay - BKProductions

Edited by - BKP-Janay on 12/10/2004 9:30:28 AM

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