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Posted - Oct 14 2003 : 1:12PM
By Laurianne McLaughlin

Some PC shoppers detest change. Maybe you fear switching from a PC with an Intel processor to one based on a processor from Advanced Micro Devices. Or maybe you dread the thought of buying a machine that's not made by Apple, which uses IBM and Motorola processors. But with all three companies doing innovative work to improve computing, now's a fine time to reexamine your notions.

What are the real pros and cons of each type of system? If you don't take a fresh look once in a while, you're missing out--maybe on a bargain, maybe on less-stressful coexistence with your next computer.

Performance, price, and support all factor into any home PC buying decision.

Let's take a look at performance. For years, Intel and AMD battled to see who could be first to market with the fastest processor. Intel's marketing department, in particular, pushed the idea that the more megahertz, the better. For the most part, the public bought it.

But today, megahertz ratings say little about a computer's performance. And AMD-based systems often deliver more bang for the buck. For example, systems using AMD's Athlon XP 3200+ processor, which runs at 2.2 GHz, outperform systems based on Intel's 3-GHz Pentium 4 chips on PC World's WorldBench application-based performance tests. And these AMD systems cost at least $100 less than comparably configured P4 machines.

But remember this: Both AMD- and Intel-based desktops run incredibly fast, faster than most of us really require. While the latest chip often speeds up music or gaming applications, it rarely makes a noticeable difference in applications like Microsoft Word or Excel.

The decision for many PC buyers boils down not to the brand of the chip, but to which PC vendors use which chips. Fewer vendors use AMD's chips than Intel's. AMD, for all its innovations, faces a mighty marketing machine and formidable industry veteran in Intel.

"The top-tier PC vendors need to maintain varied product lines with options for any consumer," says Shane Rau, a senior analyst with market research firm IDC. Intel's product line boasts a wider variety of chips, especially for notebook PCs, Rau says.

Currently, AMD sells heavily to companies like Alienware and ABS, known for tricked-out systems well-suited to gaming, and to companies like MicroExpress and Polywell, known for bargain-priced systems. What about the big-name PC vendors? You'll find AMD Athlon chips in some Hewlett-Packard Pavilion desktops, but not any new Dell or Gateway machines.

As any PC veteran knows, trouble can hit at any time, for reasons that have nothing to do with processors. If you're sold on one company's service and support, it's hard to convince yourself to switch PC vendors just to try out an AMD processor.

But if a vendor you like offers both AMD- and Intel-based boxes, take a hard look at AMD. You'll almost always save $100 to $200, maybe more, compared to a similar Intel-based system.

One final matter in the AMD/Intel rivalry: 64-bit computing. While today's desktop processors use 32-bit technology, AMD just began shipping its first 64-bit desktop processors, such as the Athlon 64 FX-51. PC World's first tests show that systems based on this new chip really fly. Intel has no current plans to announce a 64-bit chip for desktops, but instead continues to tweak its 32-bit chips.

Does this mean you should automatically choose a 64-bit AMD processor? No. In the long term, these chips could enable innovative software and supercharge gaming and video tasks. But for most of us, 64-bit technology is not yet a reason to choose one PC over another.

Few compatible applications have been announced, and a 64-bit version of Windows has yet to ship. Since you'll need 64-bit software to get the full throttle speed of AMD's new chip, this is a good reason for waiting to make the leap. Also, Intel's successor to the Pentium 4, code-named Prescott, is expected to ship later this year or in January 2004; it promises significant improvements. We'll have to wait and see how it matches up to AMD's latest.

While PC shoppers constantly compare power and prices, some of Apple's hardcore fans think that Apple represents all that is good with the world, and Microsoft represents all that is evil. This article will skip that political debate. But for people who want to know what's going on with Apple systems, there's plenty to consider.

First, have Windows-based PC makers given Apple system owners any big reasons to switch lately? No. Apple still does exceedingly well in the areas that won the company fans in the first place--ease of use, intuitiveness, and system design, for example.

"Apple hides a lot of complexity," says Roger Kay, director of client computing at IDC. "An Apple system does what you expect it to do."

Windows PCs still produce cryptic error messages, present upgrade hassles, and crash more frequently than most Apple owners are used to--though Windows XP is a considerable improvement over Windows 98 or ME.

Nevertheless, Apple owners face fewer aggravations than the typical PC owner. A key reason: Apple systems work with a smaller universe of peripherals and applications. Because this smaller group of peripherals and applications lets Apple examine and solve glitches more easily than Microsoft can for all Windows users, Apple owners are faced with fewer surprises when installing new gadgets, for example.

"Under one roof, Apple can test so many [product] combinations," Kay says. "The testing can be fairly exhaustive." So jobs like setting up a home wireless network often prove simpler with Apple equipment.

In days past, some people rejected Apple because certain applications weren't available in the latest and greatest version, or perhaps at all, for the Apple OS. But now there's Microsoft's Virtual PC, an emulation program that lets you run an occasional Windows application on an Apple machine, with some slowdown (performance will vary by application.)

As for performance, it's rarely the decisive factor for people considering an Apple system: Ease of use is usually the prime reason. Nonetheless, Apple just kicked its speed ambitions up a notch with its new PowerMac G5 line, which uses the 64-bit IBM PowerPC 970 processor. These machines, aimed at professionals like graphic designers, demonstrate Apple's determination to participate in the performance race.

Moreover, with Apple, there's no need to investigate the reputations and support policies of several PC vendors. You're buying from Apple--which excels at customer service and support, according to PC World's most recent annual reliability and service survey. In the survey, in which readers rate vendors on issues like hardware problems and tech support effort, Apple won top marks among all desktop PC makers on service measures.

Need one last reason to consider Apple? Think bugs and worms: While PC users have been cursing loudly for the past year about numerous nasty viruses that have quickly spread round the globe (thanks in part to Microsoft software), Apple users don't need to worry much about this problem. Virus authors seem to see Microsoft as a bigger and better target.

But let's turn the tables on an earlier question: Has Apple given PC users any big reasons to switch?

True, Apple's IPod digital music player screams cool, and works seamlessly with Apple systems. And Apple has introduced other clever peripherals, like the ISight Web camera, which works with Apple's IChat instant messaging software to let you videoconference with other Apple users. Finally, Apple has offered some competitive prices on its notebooks. These moves have great appeal for some PC buyers. But for most consumers, these aren't really compelling reasons to switch to Apple, analysts say. None of these reasons alone will likely sway a Windows veteran.

"I think the company [Apple] is reconciled to being a boutique," IDC's Kay says. Today, Apple follows the example of say, BMW, which makes fine cars, but does not try to sell its cars to everyone, Kay says.

So, if you need a new computer system, remember: Change can be good; and it's sometimes necessary. When you're armed with information, you have nothing to fear. There's a big smorgasbord of technologies out there to enjoy.

Formerly a senior editor at PC World and Business 2.0, Laurianne McLaughlin is a frequent contributor to technology publications.

BadKarma
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Posted - Oct 16 2003 : 2:23AM
OK, I know I should stay out of this thread. No good can come of posting a replay... I just can't help myself.

So, into the valley of death ...

Buy an Apple. You'll be happier. Trust me, Bill Gates won't miss the money.

Now, I know some kind soul is going to chime in and say I'm some kind of "Wacko Apple Bigot", have never owned a "Real PC", and don't know anything about anything. The last part may be true, but I know about computers. I've been in software development for 25 years (yikes ... I'm old).

I've owned a PC since 6mhz IBM ATs were "hot machines" and a 20MB harddisc was "big". (Yes, 20MB, not 20GB). I have suffered with Micro$oft "bugware", the never ending upgraded cycle, and DLL hell. NO MORE!

You know DLL hell, thats when you install one piece of Windows software and it screws up three others having nothing to do with the first, because it silently overwrites some DLL the others depend on. Good luck finding the problem. I suggest you keep the Windows install CDs handy.
Opps, I'm sorry, you don't get the Windows CDs anymore with a new PC.

Now, to be honest, I have not been an Apple owner that long.
Less than a year. But now I actually use my computer for useful tasks. (Like this post). I don't spend my time downloading patches, rebooting, or generally trying to make my computer work.

My PowerMac G4 just works. It doesn't "Blue Screen", hang, crash or die. It just runs.

Now, to the claim that Apple "hides everything from the user", that is true, IF THATS WHAT YOU WANT. But, if you want to tinker, simply open a terminal window and you're at a MacOS X (BSD) command prompt. (BSD is a Unix variant, for the uninitiated). And IMHO Unix is the "One True Operating System". OK, I'll come clean, I'm a Unix bigot.

Now, I've heard it said that there is no bigger advocate than a convert. Maybe that's true, but I know I'm not going back to WinTel. I voted with my wallet. I'm going to vote again soon - for a new G5. Once you go Apple you'll never go back.

Anteros
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4/03
Posted - Oct 17 2003 : 6:40PM
Just because you own a PC and not an Apple doesnt mean you're a slave to MS. Linux is a very nice alternative. And while I dont use it myself, (It (nor apple for that matter) doesnt support even half the programs/games I use/play) I understand that Linux is on the unix core as well.

*Shrugs* To each his own really, I wont begrudge you your apple, but blind brand loyalty is just going to empty your wallet faster imo.

joeblow69
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Posted - Oct 17 2003 : 7:52PM
Well, for every person who says Apples never crash, you'll run into at least one (like me) who has had an entirely different experience. Sure, it doesn't "blue screen", but I've seen the "forever spinning rainbow pizza cursor of death" a few too many times on my ibook.

My advice is always to not trust anyone (ie Dell, GW, HP, etc) ... build your computer yourself, and put on whatever operating system you feel most comfortable with.

BadKarma
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Posted - Oct 18 2003 : 11:49PM
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Hoss,

I am not "blind brand loyal". Not in any way, at all, ever.
I'll drop Apple "faster than a fart" the nanosecond they stop making hardware/software that works for me. I never owned an Apple until they introduced MacOS X. So, I guess you can say I bought hardware based on the software. That's back asswards from the way most people buy computers. Usually people pickout the hardware, then run whatever OS is shipped with it. I picked the OS, then then used the hardware that shipped with it.

And the only reason I picked MacOS X is that it's based on FreeBSD, which is noted for being "rock solid" and "stable".

Now, to be completely honest, I too have had the "spinning rainbow pizza" a few times. But "Force Quit" always killed the offending app without a reboot. That's a step up from my experience with Windows.

I too love Linux (part of my Unix geekdom, I guess). I have several boxes running Linux (Libranet, which is based on Debian, and SuSE) and while I readily acknowledge that Linux has made huge strides in useability, I still can't give one to my mom to read and send email. Linux is great for the technical literati, but I don't think its quite ready for "Mr & Mrs. Frontporch". There are still just too many times when to get something to work you need to open a terminal window and edit some configuration file. That's fine for me, I love Vi, but I'm not ready to tell mom how to edit sysconfig via long distance.

So, I guess we all agree: "You pays your money, makes your choices, and takes your chances." Right now, my Apple Powermac works for me. In the future, who knows?


 
Bill All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Oct 19 2003 : 11:45AM
My father has been an Apple owner since the Apple II+ (early 80's). Between him and my mother, they have had about a dozen Apple machines since then.

While the Apple is definitely more stable and easier to learn than Windows based machines, the biggest problem that my parents have faced is getting help when they do have problems.

When I have problems with my Windows machine, there are at least a dozen people that I know who can usually help me directly or I can come to a forum and ask a question that hundreds of people will probably know the answer to. That's not typically the case with an Apple.

My father has resorted to some type of a service contract with CompUSA which, for about $50-100 per year, gives him access to tech support for anything to do with his machines.

BadKarma
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Posted - Oct 20 2003 : 12:53AM
I believe you have a valid point, pre-Mac OS X. When Apple had a closed OS, there were relatively fewer people using it, so help was harder to find.

I believe now that Apple has switched to a more open OS, a la FreeBSD-based MacOS X, help and applications are becoming much more readily available.

The Fink project has made many open source applications available for MacOS X. And more are in the pipeline.

I recognize that MacOS X is not for everyone, since its Unix -based, but it serves my needs. I also readily admit to being a Unix bigot, and to being comfortable in that environment.

All I know is that I'm very happy with my PowerMac. I spend less time screwing with the OS and more time doing useful work. But, YMMV.




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