I think it's sick is there really any sexual excitement in such stuff , anyway I do think it should be illegal , how can be accepted this kind of killing to do a sexmovie?

that is unacceptable

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In fact, that sounds vaguely familiar. There was an uproar about this, or a similar incident a couple of years ago.

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No, Belladonna was not injured in the making of said disturbing video.

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I always thought that cruelty toward animals was a crime

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To kill animals at will without purpose is Costitutionally protected?

I always thought that cruelty toward animals was a crime
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Cruelty towards animals is a felony in most US states, but the definition of what constitutes animal cruelty varies widely and you have to be able to prove that the intent was to be cruel in the first place.

For example, a pretty widely-publicized event down in Texas involved an Emu rancher. For awhile, Emu's were all the rage for the "get rich quick" schemes. Several ranchers bought dozens of breeding pairs in the hope of cornering the market. But, like most schemes, Emu's didn't quite pan out. One rancher spent almost his entire savings on his "herd" (or flock or whatever) of Emu's and stood to lose his ranch over his purchase. So he got rip-roaring drunk and walked out into the corral where he kept them with an aluminum baseball bat. One by one, he'd walk up to the Emu's (who aren't that smart and just stood there) and would swing the bat at their heads and literally clubbed them to death. Someone caught it on video and he was arrested on about 15 animal cruelty charges. Thanks to the vid, the charges stuck.

Had he went out and one by one pulled them out of the corrall, taken them into the barn and chopped off their heads cleanly and quickly, that would be considered animal slaughter....he's well within his legal rights there as a cattle rancher.

Animals don't have any protection from being killed for sport as long as a) it's legal to hunt them (bear hunting permits aren't that hard to get), b) you hunt them during the allocated "season" to hunt them...can't just go out and shoot them whenever you feel like it (except in certain cases), c) you are a licensed hunter and d) you kill them in a quick/clean manner, usually with a firearm or archery device (bow/crossbow).

In an ironic twist here....I saw a statistic not that long ago that showed that over 50% of the funds spent on animal preservation comes directly from the license fees paid for hunting permits. So in effect, hunters are the biggest contributor of $$ to animal welfare.

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anyway killing a bear in a video without defensive reasons nor to protect sheeps or other productive animals needs more proof that it is a cruelty?
I wonder what kind of proof is needed other than that perhaps a written will of the bear in wich he declares that he won't suicide?

Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 4/12/2007 2:21:28 PM

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with the exception of the news and of course political and economics debates

Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 4/12/2007 2:46:19 PM

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1. I support hunting. I'm not a "bunny hugger".
2. I'd take you to task on your argument that this particular case is "constitutionally protected". I'm not saying this act is overly illegal, I'm saying that I think you're stretching the hell out of the First Ammendment if you think that is the "protection" you refer to.
3. Dogs chasing prey is natural and hunters use this to chase and eventually kill prey. Again, I support hunting. I just thought it was kinda distasteful to see the pack dragging the bear around. They didn't tear it apart, but it just seemed like a big "fuck you" for no good reason.

I think controlled hunting of bears (and no, not just for "defense" as some have suggested) is perfectly alright. This case seems to me to be someone simply using existing hunting laws to kill a bear simply to put it and the sex act on film and shock people. In short, I don't think the trigger man had any sort of "hunting" intention. See where I'm coming from?

4. You are correct. No one "made" me watch the video. It struck me as bordering on abuse, so I decided to post here for other opinions.

Dr. P

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I'm against the hunting but I'm not blind nor fanatic I understand for example that too many of a species might destroy an ecosystem so a controlled hunting of that species to maintain their population in number is needed, but it is not the case of bears at least not here that's why their killing disturbes me alot

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3: 'distasteful'? Definitely, it is, to my personal sensibilities. But then again, I don't hunt or kill animals for the sake of entertainment. But when you consider how distasteful your porn-watching is to some people, are you sure you want to outlaw every act that anyone finds distasteful? Would you want hunting outlawed, on account of it being distasteful to some people?

4: The question of legality was raised by others, so I replied.

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My point was on the killing , I was dubious about that being legal

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Not only is this pointless, it's just plain creepy...

RE: Disturbing

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Dr. P

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Kinda disturbing isn't the word......

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