^^ Yeah that's a big reason why I've never really been onboard with most people consuming their media in streaming-only environments. Even services like Spotify which allow you to 'download' media for offline listening are still somewhat restrictive. I've purchased a couple of external hard-drives over the years for storage, but I've generally tended to purge parts of my collection over time if I'm not watching them much. Now I'm definitely going to purchase a few larger multi-terabyte HD's to just save everything locally regardless. Considering that Mindgeek and other conglomerates are gradually acquiring more sites, this could happen at a much more frequent occurrence going forward.
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Posted - Dec 29 2020 : 6:28AM
I am still wondering why they released trailers with Scarlit Scandal, but still no scenes...
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kronas77 Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 29 2020 : 6:54PM
Hey guys. Here is an idea to see how some things may have changed at Brazzers.
First, pick one of your favorite stars at Brazzers and preview how many scenes she is in.
Second, go to indexxx.com, which commonly has the number of scenes a given site has of your favorite star.
I don't think indexxx.com updates its numbers that often regarding the number of scenes.
I tried this comparison with star Kelly Divine.
As of yesterday Dec 27, 2020, at Brazzers (View All), she had 12 scenes (all HD).
At indexxx.com, it said she has/had 30 scenes! And they are numbered for each subsite.
I was a member of Brazzers several months ago, and I saw 26 scenes, of which I downloaded 23.
Hard to do that now.
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kronas77 Deactivated User
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Posted - Dec 29 2020 : 7:03PM
Yesterday Dec 28.
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Posted - Dec 30 2020 : 12:09AM
More about the tendency towards reduced content at Brazzers.
There is a site called straponcum.com that features solo and lesbian scenes in which the girls squirt "cum" from their dildos. Originally the site offered videos at 540p, then around video 47 they began to offer 720p, and at a high frame rate. Bit rates were commonly around 8000 kb/s.
The newer videos almost looked like 1080p, as a significantly higher frame rate can add to the "realness" of the video. It definitely was a thing of beauty to see the results of the high production values, and to be able to download the videos without having to pay extra over streaming.
They began revamping the site around Nov 2019, and my experience and that of a reviewer from this month Dec 2020, indicates that the 720p videos are now back to 540p, and there are fewer of them. Also, the reviewer states that all of the videos are now (Dec 2020) 540p, including ones added since the revamp around November 2019.
The review is at mysexporn.com. If you click Read Full Review, you will see it is a long, detailed review.
They were promising 4K about a year ago, and I have not seen that promised anymore, nor did the reviewer mention 4K either.
So there is this downgrading tendency at some sites. But big network sites like Dogfart and of course many others now offer 4K.
The big question about the downgrading is Why? Saving money? Saving storage costs? New ownership? Changed values?
How about a simple lack of appreciation of quality work in a "questioned" industry?
You work hard and produce erotically beautiful and aesthetically beautiful products (lots of overlap), but few appreciate your work, because not many have seen it, not many are looking for it, not many expect to encounter it, and those who do encounter it don't always tell their friends and family about it. lol
You might put your art on display in a public gallery, but rarely will it be erotic art, no matter how beautiful it looks.
Sorry, numbers don't lie. The public prefers vod/broadcast/ppv/stream than owning disc. Television, Theatres, streaming do better number$ than DVD/BD/UHD. Physical copies are for collectors and archivists. Porn industry offering downloads were wrong, they should've started and kept at PPV. Which porn site is streaming 4K HDR? Look how quickly YouTube/netflix/spotify took over, porn is being left behind. Disney is going all in on Disney+ with 90million subscribers. If pornsites want to survive they must go SVOD
snufish is correct and I'll throw in some numbers. On my site, just shy of 24% of members download. The rest are happy to stream-only. I formerly offered 4k streaming, but switched to a CDN provider that offered better streaming tech, but only up to 1080p. Member retention improved because the stream was more reliable.
Speaking with other paysite owners, they see the same numbers and all the big brands, including Brazzers, have discussed implementing streaming-only plans or tiers. Some have tested it.
As to snufish's comment that porn should've started with PPV or streaming, the tech wasn't up to standard until about 12-13 years ago. You had a whole decade of porn downloads prior to that, and everyone was making tons of money and happy. Porn is a slow industry to change so the attitude has always been "why change what isn't broken" and "I'm not going to do it until someone else does".
It really takes visionaries like Keezer (remember how porn tube sites were the first to implement thumbnails that popped up when you hovered over the timeline?), or the dudes who ran myfreecams and subsequently started onlyfans, to really drive change.
back to Brazzers: we'll see what happens in the next few weeks. Maybe they are just re-encoding their library. The slow pace of it would indicate removing the content has not hurt them significantly from a financial standpoint to warrant hurrying up, and I would guess the majority of members are viewing new content instead of going to look at old stuff.
The big problem with getting downloads these days is that you can't really even get a computer with extra internal storage or the ability to add extra internal storage afterwards, unless you go the route of custom or business computers. The consumer desktops used to have HDD cages/drive bays - sometimes offering as many as several HDD slots - and that's gone now, along with additional SATA ports on the system boards. Notebooks are pretty much only offering a single M.2 SSD or SATA SSD, with adding more a near impossibility due to the difficulty of opening up a thin unibody chassis to upgrade, while the older notebooks had physical access panels for the RAM and storage. I know how to get around these issues, with offloading my downloads to NAS and transferring files via high-capacity USB flash drives that I can plug into my TV to watch the vids, but most porn consumers won't know how to do those things, and that means a death for downloads in the next decade. When AV1 rolls out in the next two years, it will be possible to offer HQ downloads with lower file-sizes, but that will require the content makers to invest significant money in cloud-driven video encoding servers and Mindgeek can certainly afford that, while most of the industry - especially the small-scale content makers - can't.
If the industry indeed starts moving toward copying Netflix/Hulu/Disney+ etc. etc. then I wonder how the implementation of ISP data caps will affect the habits of consumers who watch content on a regular basis. I don't really care how they manage it, but the most viable avenue would be to copy from Netflix and allow users to 'save' videos for offline viewing within some kind of app to conserve data usage. Otherwise, I could see households blasting through the monthly data caps that are now being put into place considering the growing file sizes of 1080p & 4K content.
Ultimately it seems like an eventuality that adult content will go the way of most media, considering that OnlyFans is growing in popularity and all video consumed on that platform is streaming-only (even though the playback functionality on that platform frankly isn't great). I'm just not wild about the idea of being at the mercy of a content provider who can yank entire sections of their archive at any given moment, leaving the consumer with no recourse if there's content on there that they want to continue viewing.
@Fit18 Just joined for 6 Months that was the longest option but I will be downloading maybe your percentage will go up a bit:). I know things will probably change and I will hate it I have a NAS and I like to keep each girl in a folder so is I want to watch some Liza Row everything is in one folder from all sites. I am fine with streaming for non-porn stuff as I don't often watch the same thing very often so for me it's very different.
And from what I can tell Brazzers has now dropped bit rate to 3000Kbps that's just crazy I am a member of many sites and pay for my porn but I won't pay for rubbish video quality. Wich is really frustrating as I actually like there content. Like I said if that put it on Legalporno I would buy it from there individually. Like I do with DDF and Bang Bros videos their ticket system works well.
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Posted - Jan 1 2021 : 11:22AM
I just saw that brazzers released a new scene with one of my alltime favourites, Kelsi Monroe.
The image quality is just terrible. I cannot believe it. It has only 3343 kbits bitrate. What a shame...
Maybe if enough people tell their complaints with this development, they will change their minds? Lets try.
Low-bitrate (not LOW bitrate) isn't really a bad thing, if you are using a high-bitrate source and an image-optimized high-efficiency Internet video encoder. I have no idea what Mindgeek is using for their encoding these days and I have none of their "refreshed" content to examine, but it IS possible to refresh older video content with a lower bitrate and have it look just as good or better as it's previous video file. Just as image optimized high-efficiency JPEG encoders exist, the same technology and processes have been applied to video encoders for Inter.
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A couple of thousand scenes and maybe lots of hundreds of pornstars are still missing.
For research reasons i test the process of change regularly with the following examples:
-Actress Miss "Ava Rose" is completely missing. What a shame. -"Emma Heart" is listed, but only with one scene. Dont know how much it was before day X, but i have minimum 3 brazzers scenes in my dl folder. -Regarding "Samia Duarte", there is one scene only in 320p for download (A Slice of Big Ass Heaven).
i have 2 questions about brazzers recently? 1- why most of important comebacks of retired stars or new milf on zz given to keiran lee that became boring thing?
2- how that big promising names in industry and none of them has a sufficient chance on zz such as adira allure nala brooks nikole nash and many very good stars?
I went looking for Rahyndee James' Dirty Masseur scene "Don't Be Shy" and of course it is gone. She had 7 scenes on Brazzers and is now down to 5 (including a Digital Playground scene and Espanol version of a missing scene). This editing makes no rhyme or reason. Her first scene from 2013 is still there, but scenes 2-5 are gone. I just don't understand this.
All of the Austin Kincaid scenes are missing. I was signed back onto Brazzers (I have had an annual subscription for a while) to watch Austin's Doctor Adventure scene and enjoy the picture gallery.
Any word on if the scenes will eventually be put back up? I don't mind if they videos are put back up at lower bitrates, I just don't want to lose the picture galleries. Gianna Michaels currently has no scenes on there. Ava Devine's Big Tits At School scene is gone.
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camembert Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 10 2021 : 8:02AM
Guys, it is okay if you tell your concerns about the recent changes here.
But please take the 2 minutes of your lifetime and contact brazzers and tell them, too.
I think it has more to do with Covid. A lot of studios pulled down substantial amounts of scenes to reuse as updates in the event shooting has to be halted again like it was last year.
The only studios that removed content were Mindgeek sites and it was after the NYT article about Pornhub. Twistys, Digital Playground...
Due to COVID, major sites are just slowing new releases, releasing compilations, "homemade" videos (Adulttime, even MG sites like RealityKings), scenes from other studios (Bang), or videos from their niche premium sites (Naughty America).
I doubt it is the directors raising claims on Brazzers scenes. I've seen scenes where the Spanish version is still up. Brazzers last year finally fixed their old scenes that were missing, and then they just completely removed 3000+ videos. It really is baffling.
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kronas77 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 14 2021 : 5:26AM
Hey Guys, I have been keeping tabs on how many Kelly Divine HD videos Brazzers has been offering. In a previous post from Dec 28-29, 2020, I mentioned that the number had dropped from over 20 and was down to 12. About 10 days ago the number came up to 13. Today, Jan 14, 2021, there are 14. So maybe they are re-encoding their library. I am not an active member, so I do not have further specifics, such as bitrates.
^ See, this is the thing that baffles me. If it is the case that they are reencoding some older videos - just let your paying customers know!
And, why remove them all at once? Can they not just replace the older videos as they go through the process?
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Posted - Jan 14 2021 : 11:12AM
A bunch of Audrey Bitoni videos seem to be missing (atleast on the public non-members profile page) as well, the Big Tits at School scene with Logan Pierce for example.
Of the three you list, Adira Allure is the one where I would definitely agree "why no scenes Brazzers?". She's been around for a couple of years, has shot for both RK and Mofos.
Nala? I loved her BangBus scene, but she's got less than 30 scenes listed at IAFD going back to 2019. Why she hasn't shot for RK, which often shoots the same girls and Bangbros puzzles me.
Part of me wonders "how hard is it to crack the lineup at Brazzers these days"? They've currently got 9 "exclusive" female stars listed. Of the 14 scenes in the last week, 3 were from the "exclusives", Luna Star, Phoenix Marie and Rachel Starr. A fourth features a long time MindGeek contract girl, Abella Danger. A fifth has Azul Hermosa, who hasn't shot a webscene for a non MindGeek site per IAFD.
I think I read years ago that when a hot new girl first burst on the scene, most of the megasites tried to shoot her at least once before she became a contract girl. Is this still true?
We've seen several girls on MindGeek sites in the last few months that seem to have established themselves on Pornhub and/or in Europe before making the jump to MindGeek.
Bangbros supposedly shot Gianna Dior multiple times early on fearing she'd get snatched up by MindGeek etc.
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Posted - Jan 14 2021 : 7:14PM
Guys,
sometimes it helps to skip one page back to get the answer. Can be a good idea in a forum like this. As i told you a few days ago, this is a planned maintenance and all scenes will return once finished. I was told when i contacted their support. Again a good idea if a customer is unhappy with a delivered service.
Imho they reencode the scenes to lower bitrates, so they can reduce the size of their library.
And yes, i am absolutely not happy with both, means reducing the quality and absolutely ZERO communication with their customers.
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Posted - Jan 14 2021 : 7:19PM
I double checked their library, in comparism to two days ago they uploaded round about 300 scenes. The count is at 6696 now. Was a couple more a few minutes ago, so they still remove scenes.
The count in mid november was something around 10.000 scenes i think. Another user had a screenshot from this.
I think you had a typo there, it's 6996. Yes it's slowly coming back. One of my favorite stars Holly Michaels, who had 6 scenes on Brazzers, then cut to 3, now has 4. I downloaded that added video again and compared to the one I originally downloaded, and honestly even though the bitrate is lower, the original footage video was from 2013 and wasn't the sharpest to begin with. The size went from 3.84gb to 2.68gb. The reduced size video looked fine to me.
Hope everything gets restored soon because I'd more be mad at the lost photo galleries since I've should have downloaded most of my favorite videos from Brazzers a long time ago. I'm especially waiting for DigitalPlayground to get restored because there were some old videos there from Alexis Texas I never downloaded.
I think if you look at other sites too, they're doing the same. Pro porn as it exists is dying really.
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kronas77 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jan 15 2021 : 12:29AM
^Certainly the shift from Downloading to Streaming is a seismic one for many sites.
Even the big jeedoo.com site, which originally sold DVDs, now offers Downloads and Streaming. Sometimes it is hard to locate the DVDs when searching, although there are still many available.
"The Trend to Temporary" DVDs --> Downloads --> Streaming
But there is hope as far as bit-rates go. The DogFart Network, for instance, now offers 4K scenes for purchase, though individually.
If we accept that all of the recently deleted Brazzers scenes are being re-encoded at lower bit-rates and will be available again, this could be a transitional state as Brazzers migrates from downloading to streaming only. Another possibility (has anyone checked?) is that they are encoding in 265 and this replaces the less-efficient 264. Does someone have a newly-encoded video to compare to an older version, codecs-wise?
Maybe some Brazzers members should download some of their favorite videos that have not been touched (yet?).
Nobody really uses H.265 and nobody should. H.264 is widely used because it's free from patent trolls at this point and works on pretty much all hardware. H.265 requires newer GPUs or a hefty older PC that uses special software decoders. There are optimized H.264 encoders that will provide comparable file size savings to what H.265 offers and that is what people should be using right now.
Nearly all phones and computers in the last 3 years, have the chipsets capable of decoding H265 on a hardware level. If your device can stream 4k netflix or appleTV, it can decode h265.
As a paysite, I have to pay a license fee for H264, if my membership is above 100k users.
H265 is free for streaming regardless of number of users.
Of the three you list, Adira Allure is the one where I would definitely agree "why no scenes Brazzers?". She's been around for a couple of years, has shot for both RK and Mofos.
Nala? I loved her BangBus scene, but she's got less than 30 scenes listed at IAFD going back to 2019. Why she hasn't shot for RK, which often shoots the same girls and Bangbros puzzles me.
Part of me wonders "how hard is it to crack the lineup at Brazzers these days"? They've currently got 9 "exclusive" female stars listed. Of the 14 scenes in the last week, 3 were from the "exclusives", Luna Star, Phoenix Marie and Rachel Starr. A fourth features a long time MindGeek contract girl, Abella Danger. A fifth has Azul Hermosa, who hasn't shot a webscene for a non MindGeek site per IAFD.
I think I read years ago that when a hot new girl first burst on the scene, most of the megasites tried to shoot her at least once before she became a contract girl. Is this still true?
We've seen several girls on MindGeek sites in the last few months that seem to have established themselves on Pornhub and/or in Europe before making the jump to MindGeek.
Bangbros supposedly shot Gianna Dior multiple times early on fearing she'd get snatched up by MindGeek etc.
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good opinion, but do you agree with me that the zz lacks the variation of female pornstars and ideas of scenes that we knew nearly from 2019?before 2019 was nearly impossible for brazzers that misses any pornstar in industry without 2 scenes at least
So it looks like brazzers is using the same tactic that WWE used before the covid outbreak.
WWE had a bunch of wrestlers under contract and really didn't care if they where used or nort aslong as they didn't go to their competor AEW, and it looks like mindgeek is doing the same have bunch of wel known porn girls under contractas long as long as don't do scenes for other porn campanies they don't care if they shoot scenes or not
^ he's probably complaining about the lack of new scenes show by the recently snatched up contract stars, like Autumn Falls. And is assuming that if they weren't under contract, they would of course shoot tons of scenes for all the other studios, because, you know, we don't have a pandemic right now which is severely limiting the amount of stuff that gets shot... But what do I know...
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Posted - Jan 17 2021 : 6:32AM
My 10 year old budget laptop has been reading 265 for years. I don't get this argument.
It is true that 265 takes longer to encode than 264.
I agree that high-res 265 is harder to process for viewing than high-res 264.
Still missing a lot of my favourite Malena Morgan WeLiveTogether scenes on RealityKings.
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Posted - Jan 18 2021 : 2:39PM
Brazzers HD Video Count: 7004 Videos, was 7002 a few days ago.
Brazzers is now sending email notifications about messages to fans from stars in their message board. Trouble is, the message is not necessarily from a star we are interested in or have searched for.
Looks like another way to get people to visit and then look around. The Wild West lives on.
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Posted - Jan 18 2021 : 2:54PM
Good points. It is probably more efficient to encode a big block of videos in a queue, than to pull each video out and put each one back.
But again, obviously, with the block approach, unadvertised, the subscriber suffers for it and does not know quite what to expect.
Hey Kronas77, the video count is 7004 at Brazzers because they are adding about 2 new videos every day. So on 1/20 they should have 7006 based on the upcoming scenes. Oddly I don't see any releases for 1/19.
Still waiting on another "upload" dump for restoration of older scenes, especially at sites RealityKings, DigitalPlayground and Twistys.
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Posted - Jan 19 2021 : 3:08AM
^Thanks for the clarification, redchambray. I did think they might be new ones. It would make more sense.
Another question to answer is how the re-encoded older scenes will compare in quality, size, and codecs to the original versions.
@Fit18 Just joined for 6 Months that was the longest option but I will be downloading maybe your percentage will go up a bit:). I know things will probably change and I will hate it I have a NAS and I like to keep each girl in a folder so is I want to watch some Liza Row everything is in one folder from all sites. I am fine with streaming for non-porn stuff as I don't often watch the same thing very often so for me it's very different.
The above is a copy of a reply of a post I made just in case you missed it.
Fit18 I don't disagree with your numbers and I know most people aren't as fussy about video quality as me but I wonder if it's not at least a bit skewed. For example, your site when I click on a girl the video does not play automatically but I will probably play it just to preview that there is not too much camera shake or something ells I don't like and if it looks good I will then download. So does that play count towards your only 24% figure when I only used it as a preview. On other sites the video automatically plays I have no option to just download I have to click pause on their player and then download is that then telling the site so many more people just stream as mentioned not disagreeing just curious.
Just downloaded the latest clip of Eliza Ibarra from Brazzers site. I'm wondering about 720 MB for a 36 mins clip in Full HD resolution. How far does Brazzers want to reduce quality?
^ That's an absolute joke or disgrace to paying customers as mentioned I was a loyal member for over 3 years cancelled due to poor video quality, not the actual content Girls and Camera work was fine.
Yes, I get that video codecs are more efficient but at some point, you go too far. Like today's front-load washing machines are more efficient than before but if you try and use a teaspoon of water your not going to get a good result.
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