It's only pan-scan if the movie was shot in widescreen in the first place. Pan and scan refers to a methodology of showing a widescreen movie in a 4:3 aspect ratio.
What's the point of ever doing any adult material in anything more than 16:9? Mainstream directors use scope ratio's because there are movie screens that can properly accomodate it. There are no TV's that properly accomodate scope ratios (letterboxing is not what I mean by properly accomodating the picture). Since adult movies are no longer shown in movie theaters as their primary viewing location, scope ratio's are inappropriate.
Videographers can capture the same frame width by just including more material on top & bottom. How is additional material on top & bottom any worse than black bars?
Well it's just an aesthetic thing for me, since I'm a scope fiend - I like seeing images composed in that format, it would be interesting to see what could be achieved. I mean you have could something the scale of THE FASHIONISTAS and make it like an epic, ambitious big-budget porno -and even though it wouldn't be shown at the cinemas , it could look quite impressive on 16:9 TVs. Just an idea
i would agree in using widescreen for say a high budget feature but not gonzo. Shooting a 16:9 aspect ration for gonzo would detract from the whole documentary, home video feel and ruin the realism. 4:3 is basically made for gonzo, widescreen is better for shooting epic landscapes and lavish sets, backgrounds but when shooting close-ups ect 4:3 suits alot better.
For viewing on normal home TV sets, widescreen is WAY overrated - even for mainstream features.
It's great on the huge cinema (movie theater) screens for which it's actually intended, but on home TVs? Who really wants black bars taking up at least one third of an already relatively small screen?
As far as I'm concerned, widescreen is the biggest marketing con that the electronics industry has succeeded in foisting off on the consumer in recent years.
Edited by - floraman on 11/3/2003 3:56:33 AM
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Posted - Nov 3 2003 : 7:48AM
This is mostly techie talk, so that's where it's going.
It would be a moot point if mainstream motion pictures were shot in 4:3 ratio like they used to be, since that's the standard aspect of most televisions. But since directors do use the grand scope of widescreen to tell stories in, video producers have only a few choices: shoot with video in mind (i.e intentionally frame for both video and film), present in widescreen video (black bars, in many cases), pan & scan (electronically center the picture on the most important information in the frame and crop everything else), or digitally recompose the scene to fit in 4:3 (fairly easy to do with CGI/animated features).
Maybe it doesn't matter to someone that a good chunk of the original filmed photography is missing on a full screen video release, but I'd rather have the black bars and see everything as it was supposed to be.
In porn, I agree that it's better to have more real estate to devote to flesh. But for those features with top notch production value and a story, I prefer widescreen to give it a mainstream feel. For that same reason, I think gonzo would feel wrong if shot in 16:9.
At best it's a trade-off - with widescreen you might see everything "as it was supposed to be seen" (the principal slogan of the consumer electronics industry when they're trying to sell us widescreen), but as far as I'm concerned, a letterboxed picture on a normal-sized TV is no real advantage at all.
Widescreen mainstream stuff is fine in the cinema or even on a large TV screen (say 140 cm diagonal plus), but try watching a widescreen movie on a "normal" TV and more often than not it's a case of either sitting up close or peering at the screen from further away and trying to make out the finer details between the big black bars (and no - there's nothing wrong with my eyes).
I KNEW there were viewers who felt the same as I do -- that 16:9 porn is not merely an affectation, but an aesthetic choice. Check out my ASIA NOIR series from Video Team, as well as the titles ZEN & THE ART OF FELLATIO and NO MAN'S LAND: ASIAN EDITION 4 for deliberate use of letterbox to provoke more interesting compositions ....
I might add that I stick to the standard TV screen dimensions for my BANANA CREAM PIE series, which is more traditional gonzo ....
David, Are these anamorphic or simply shot in the letterboxed format? For me, doesn't make much sense to shoot letterboxed for porn without anamophic enhancement - yet, I notice a lot of studios doing this!
Sorry to ask this in a public forum , old boy , but are you an Englishman living in Germany ( hums the Sting Eng In NY tune ) or a fully fledged German . Feel free to ignore the question if you like , it's just that you sound so English .
In the land of never-ending rain , Widescreen TVs are everywhere these days . They're selling like hotcakes , even to less well off folks like me . Walk into any electronics store and more than half will be of the wider persuasion with some manufacturers stopping production of large 4:3 sets altogether . Trust me , on a 32inch widescreen you neither have to squint or lean forward to tell what is going on . Watching 4:3 films on this set is a pain though as you end up with 2 annoying black bars down either side of the screen . See your potatow is my potaato , let's call the whole thing off .
I wonder , does this mean that Widescreen sets aren't infiltrating the living rooms of people in Germany , America and all those other counties that aren't Britain ?
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Posted - Nov 3 2003 : 4:48PM
Widescreen is cool but...lets just hang on with whats available. Its too early to standartize it.
Widescreen is inevitable. Look at any Sunday ad circular for electronics and you'll see more ads for widescreen digital TV's than 4:3 models. The push for flat panel and space-saving projection models as well as digital broadcasting mandates will shape what manufacturers make and what consumers buy.
Granted, widescreen TV's are not cheap, but they are getting cheaper every year. And for those who say that it's a ploy by manufacturers, keep in mind that the reason why HDTV is not more widespread is because the electronics lobby has fought hard to push back the drop-dead date for analog transmission due to increased unit costs, much to the chagrin of broadcasters who had to buy a lot of expensive equipment to support HDTV production and transmission.
From The Long Last Gasp of Tube-Based TVs: With a government-mandated switch to digital broadcasting, further development of tube-based analog television has basically ended. "It's no use developing fancy picture-tube TVs anymore, because they won't be noticed by customers," a Philips engineer in the Netherlands noted in an e-mail message. "These bulky TVs are put on shelves in the back of the store, and the thin flat panels are put on display in the front, because that's what sells."
In the US, it already is the standard. The FCC has mandated the conversion of TV to digital (originally by 2006, but it looks like that will slip to 2007 at least). To all of the networks (including Fox sometime in 2004) that means HD. HD, by definition, is a 16:9 format.
Anyone who buys a 4:3 HD compatible TV over the next few years is making a mistake.
Sorry to ask this in a public forum , old boy , but are you an Englishman living in Germany ( hums the Sting Eng In NY tune ) or a fully fledged German . Feel free to ignore the question if you like , it's just that you sound so English
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No problem Lee. I'm an English expat living in The Fatherland.
You say you don't have to squint or lean forward to watch widescreen, but on the fancy widescreen sets I've seen, either you get horizontal black bars and a normal picture, or else no horizontal black bars but eveyone's distorted! Both of these are absolute pants, if you ask me.
I disagree with that assessment. I think that the recent ploy by the CE manufacturers resisting ATSC tuners in all TV's by 2007 was really so they could continue to sell Set Top Boxes. By including these tuners in every TV, they are losing a revenue stream. It's kinda like when they were required to include closed captioning decoders in every TV. Instead of charging the few people who wanted these decoders $100 a pop for them, they ended up putting them in all TV's at cost.
The broadcaster who has made the biggest stink about the tuner mandate is Sinclair, who has done everything in their power to prevent the digital conversion from taking place. First they fought over the broadcast standard, although it was a decision that had already been made and changing it would have made all existing HDTV decoders obsolete. Now, virtually every station that they own that has been converted to digital, is running at the absolute minimum power that they can get away with, while still complying with the FCC mandate.
Oh , hark at 'im , watching 'is movies on a widescreen telle ! < said in a Liverpudlian (sp) accent this seems less insulting , more endearing >
You've not seen a widescreen TV set up correctly , my friend . I'm guessing here , but did you see these sets in Dixons ( or whatever the German equivalent is ) ? The people who work in these shops appear to have only very minimal training and hardly ever have the knowledge to handle the new equipment . An arrogant statement but often true .
If everyone is distorted then that's most likely because the picture ( broadcast or DVD ) is only really in 4:3 but the shop assistant has stretched the image to fit the screen . If there are black bars at the top and bottom and the image looks right then that is because the source material is in 2.35 : 1 . This , I think , is the ratio used in cinemas but it is very rarely transferred onto DVD . More often films are sold in 16:9 which fits a widescreen telly perfectly to the edges . 2.35 : 1 is only normally used for epics ( like Lawrence of Arabia ) where they don't want to lose the majestic scale of events .
Damn , you seem dead against widescreen . I wish I could change your mind about trying it , as this has been the biggest improvement in TV viewing that has ever happened baring colour broadcasts ( IMO ) . Having ' The Blue Planet ' playing on screen is like having a giant aquarium in your living room - with sharks and whales in it ! Seriously Bud give it a try .
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Posted - Nov 4 2003 : 8:38AM
I completely agree with this. It should be an aesthetic choice... hmm... a deliberately made aesthetic choice.
This is surprising to me. Most widescreen presentations of porn scenes I have seen, truly suck because of composition troubles. So, could you provide some examples of these more interesting compositions?
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16:9 is gotta happen real soon. Lots of cheap 3-CCD cameras on the market and more coming out. And we are gonna love it because you feel more a part of the action---we'll see what's happening beyond what we are seeing now. Besides it looks like everyone is shooting with a wide angle attachment now to pull us into the scene.
Scope (2.35:1) is not possible on DVD right now. At least on the prosumer software. Only 4:3 and 16:9. Anyone know more than that?