In a white room.. with white couches.. (page 2)

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draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 1:06PM lsnoop wrote: ^ My demands are basically the same as they were in the 00s. It is the industry which has become identical, vanilla and mainstream. Click to expand Then can you please keep those demands out of this thread. However I am still very interested in the industry use as will quote again you said here.. lsnoop wrote: FYI this high-key lighting OP is talking about is a US / European version of Japanese pixelation. In a porn movie nowadays bodies and other objects should be covered in white light and white color. A female body should look as unnatural as possible, censors state. Click to expand Excluding completely the JAV pixelation bit, but the use of high-key lighting as I do see this in a lot of porn today and agree it has gotten to the point of making the girls look unnatural, and that link you provided had nothing to do with it and was about censorship of your content demands. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 3:11PM lsnoop wrote: ^ My demands are basically the same as they were in the 00s. It is the industry which has become identical, vanilla and mainstream. Click to expand The idea that we need more bukakkes, pissing to address a lack of imagination in porn is absurd. Those circus acts are the death of imagination and in the 00s were presented over and over again by JM productions and Khan Tusion with all the panache and imagination of a hobo masturbating into a garbagecan. [Link]
LPee23 All-Star Member Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15	Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 7:00PM I get what so many of you are saying about blown out scenes shot against white backgrounds. It is easy to do it in a way that makes the scene seem cold and sterile, and when it is used too predictably it falls flat. I am also not a fan of those scenes. The technique of using whites and prominent highlights in photography is rarely done well in porn, but when it is, it can look stunning. Here are a few photos by Frannie Adams to show you what I am talking about. She was the best there was at this style of photography while she still worked in the business. I pulled some of the ones shot "in a white room... white couches..." just for this post. She liked to bring out the whites in all settings though, and it always looked great. [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 10:05PM dogzcatcher wrote: In the v.i.p. lounge at the Los Angeles airport (LAX), a small crowd of adults have gathered. After a very long flight, the plane lands and a passenger departs. She is escorted to the v.i.p. lounge for a short welcoming party, knowing she may have suffered jet lag from the long flight. She is comforted with the knowledge she'll soon be snuggled down in a very comfortable bed, with several pillows, in her hotel room. As she enters the lounge the crowd claps, she smiles and is seated at a table. Lexington Steele, Manuel Ferrera, Ramon Nomar and Toni Ribas gather around her table and in their best singing voices they begin to sing.... Welcome, Angela White, to the States![/url] Click to expand But where is the porn??? lol She is stunning with the perfect body! But.. Angela 2 (2015) Is yet another disappointment with this issue, plus with it usually comes my peeve on today's content.. Every Scene Hot outdooor intro.. check! Cut to indoors white lounge white (and tan) couch.. check! Neglecting her spectacular tits with facials.. check! and it grabbed a bag of award nominations and wins and so seems we are stuffed, and will continue to get this?! and also important for.. Unnatural Cover: Full of colour and skin tone and very hot!.. Source: Unnaturally bleached white.. Adjusted: After some quick adjustment using VLC to give back skin tone.. This is a perfect example of why I am still very keen to hear back from you lsnoop (and you too please LPee23) on the use of high-key lighting / whites and prominent highlights? Edited by - draghixafan on 8/18/2016 10:23:22 PM [Link]

murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 10:42PM ^ That just looks like they're trying to mimic the current hollywood moody blockbuster formula... Movie + Gray Filter = Profit? (not to be confused with the hollywood kerplosion blockbuster formula of Movie + Yellow Filter = Profit?) For what it's worth, I have a few Jay Sin movies at home that I ran through some VirtualDub filters to get the over-saturated florescent colors to stop clipping. I liked the films but couldn't stand the color choices so I took it upon myself to make a version I could tolerate better. [Link]
LPee23 All-Star Member Better to be pissed on, than to be pissed off. 248 Posts 1/15	Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 10:47PM draghixafan wrote: This is a perfect example of why I am still very keen to hear back from you lsnoop (and you too please LPee23) on the use of high-key lighting / whites and prominent highlights? Click to expand I agree with you that the scene you posted is typical of the many blown out scenes that misuse this style and give it a bad name. You definitely improved it with your tonal correction. I just want to point out that this style can look really amazing, but photos that achieve that effect are few and far between. I think the effect is even harder to make work in video than in photo. The videos from JuliLand.com are the first ones I can think of that did it well. Avery was going for artistic effect there, not realism. And he played around with many other effects such as high contrast and greyscale. I agree with you though. Most often, when you see blown out photos or videos, it is not a desirable effect. [Link]
lsnoop Member 301 Posts 5/09	Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 2:23AM draghixafan wrote: dogzcatcher wrote: This is a perfect example of why I am still very keen to hear back from you lsnoop (and you too please LPee23) on the use of high-key lighting / whites and prominent highlights? Click to expand My demands are primarily AGAINST this kind of lighting - if it was not clear from the start - so there is no way I keep those out of this thread. As for those links I provided and my thoughts about censorship - this is my opinion, probably some industry insiders here could share more reliable and constructive information. Moreover, I would be really happy if it is proven wrong with actual content... Speaking of lighting and camera, I prefer ambient light and rich natural color. I totally support your statement: "Less identical crap". The only fact that we have to discuss such things here illustrates the whole point: something has gone completely wrong with the industry. But for censorship, more studios would normally produce content in natural lighting and color - this is what I think. >The idea that we need more bukakkes, pissing to address a lack of imagination in porn is absurd. You probably got the idea, so there is no need to start picking on words. I can tell you for sure what we don't need: bleached silicone grannies bathing in white light with the same male performers over and over again. The whole thing is getting more like sci-fi, seriously. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 3:22AM Not sure that counts as a 'tonal correction.' Hard to know if the pinker skin is actually more accurate or just 'looks right.' [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 3:24AM LPee23 wrote: draghixafan wrote: This is a perfect example of why I am still very keen to hear back from you lsnoop (and you too please LPee23) on the use of high-key lighting / whites and prominent highlights? Click to expand I agree with you that the scene you posted is typical of the many blown out scenes that misuse this style and give it a bad name. You definitely improved it with your tonal correction. I just want to point out that this style can look really amazing, but photos that achieve that effect are few and far between. I think the effect is even harder to make work in video than in photo. The videos from JuliLand.com are the first ones I can think of that did it well. Avery was going for artistic effect there, not realism. And he played around with many other effects such as high contrast and greyscale. I agree with you though. Most often, when you see blown out photos or videos, it is not a desirable effect. Click to expand I agree, and I love artsy porn too. Huge fan of Andrew Blake and more recently and more on topic the seems now defunct alt porn movement and one of my favs Jack the Zipper, and that when used properly and perhaps sparingly and edited well I agree completely it is amazing! But also was always a bit more eroticism in those movies, whereas today it's just endless mechanical gonzo jack-hammering for 40mins, where seems both the sensuality aswell as the colour has been drained out of the scene. But even my reliable goto RogReviews rated that scene as the best gangbang of 2015, so it seems everyone is a convert? I'm not sure if it's as murdock said just keeping pace with the current Hollywood trends or there is something to what lsnoop says that there is more to it, but either way it is becoming prevalent and getting worse in that it's no longer just white rooms and white couches, it's now white cinematography too... [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 3:26AM BlackSix wrote: Not sure that counts as a 'tonal correction.' Hard to know if the pinker skin is actually more accurate or just 'looks right.' Click to expand Compare them to the cover picture :) [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 3:37AM lsnoop wrote: My demands are primarily AGAINST this kind of lighting - if it was not clear from the start - so there is no way I keep those out of this thread. As for those links I provided and my thoughts about censorship - this is my opinion, probably some industry insiders here could share more reliable and constructive information. Moreover, I would be really happy if it is proven wrong with actual content... Speaking of lighting and camera, I prefer ambient light and rich natural color. I totally support your statement: "Less identical crap". The only fact that we have to discuss such things here illustrates the whole point: something has gone completely wrong with the industry. But for censorship, more studios would normally produce content in natural lighting and color - this is what I think. Click to expand Your demands I was talking about was clearly all the other guff about bukkake etc. You mentioned "censors state", that was the info I was interested in and in relation to the whitening, when the link was again about content. Yeah less identical crap is definitely needed, though being offline for a couple of years I missed some new sites that have arisen offering something different. My original point was about white rooms and couches, but you raised an excellent point that as clearly illustrated with that Angel comparison there is whitening of the picture too. I still would not call it censoring, and maybe it is just a Hollywood trend being matched, but regardless its very interesting nonetheless? Edited by - draghixafan on 8/19/2016 3:38:10 AM [Link]
lsnoop Member 301 Posts 5/09	Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 5:33AM ^ Bukkake is not "guff". This was probably off-topic here I admit, however we should not hide the fact political correctness and censorship have gone too far into the industry. The problem is not solely lighting, white rooms or couches ... That's why there is probably a number of off-topic things here. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 7:52AM Complaining that the porn industry is PC and 'censoring' because bukkakes are played out and just too expensive these days again strikes me as very unconvincing. @drag, hard to know for sure that the cover photo is an accurate representation of Angela's skin tone either, in the days of photoshop and premier the visual image is so open to manipulation. [Link]
dogzcatcher All-Star Member Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09	Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 10:52AM Late September, 2016. In a convention hall, decorated with American flags, a stage and two podiums. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump enter the stage from opposite sides to a light applause from the adults in the audience. The moderator, Megyn Kelly, introduces both candidates and asks the crowd to hold it's applause until the conclusion of the debate. The debate begins. Slings and arrows are thrown back and forth. Finally, Megyn says "enough!" "You two get undressed right now!" Slowly, both candidates remove their clothing. Both stand nude behind their podiums. Megyn climbs up to the stage and slowly removes her clothing, while standing between both podiums. At last, neither candidate, nor the media has anything to hide. Megyn orders Donald to lay on his back. He complies with her demand. Megyn orders Hillary to sit on Donald's face and grind on it. "Stick that tongue out!", Megyn demands of Donald. For the next forty five minutes, Hillary grinds herself on Donald until she exhibits an orgasm. If you thought her angry face was something, you're not going to believe her "stink face" when she has an orgasm wiggling around on "The Donald". By now, Donald's three inch erection is hard as a rock. Megyn grabs a tube of KY from under the podium to prepare herself. She slowly lowers herself down onto him, gets up on both feet and squat fucks Donald until he busts a nut inside her. Hillary climbs off Donald's face for Megyn to take her place. "Stick your tongue out!" Megyn demands. Donald complies. Thirty minutes later, Megyn puts a vise grip around Donald's face with her thighs, grabs that thing on the top of his head and squirts a big stream of Megyn Kelly girl juice on him. Talking heads on both CNN and Fox discuss the debate afterwards. Bill O'Reilly says, "I'm never going to get the image of a nude Hillary out of my mind". "Damn it!" Edited by - dogzcatcher on 8/19/2016 10:53:54 AM Edited by - dogzcatcher on 8/19/2016 11:01:20 AM [Link]

draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 3:48AM lsnoop wrote: ^ Bukkake is not "guff". This was probably off-topic here I admit, however we should not hide the fact political correctness and censorship have gone too far into the industry. The problem is not solely lighting, white rooms or couches ... That's why there is probably a number of off-topic things here. Click to expand No, but you continuing to post about it when asked not to and by your own admission it off topic is. Your opening comment about white and lighting and "censors state" however is on topic, and keeping asking you about this and to give references to your claim that censors state, as this is relevant to the topic, that there may be another reason for this.. But you again posted a link about bukkake censorship. Then again even in your admission it's off topic you post about PC and censorship again! Sure whatever your beef is should not be overlooked but NOT IN THIS THREAD! And sure that are lots of issues in the industry but this IS about white rooms and couches, but you continue to push your agenda and refuse to back up your claims about your comment that is on topic. So again can you please provide evidence of your statement, only, that.. draghixafan wrote: Now this on the other hand.. lsnoop wrote: In a porn movie nowadays bodies and other objects should be covered in white light and white color. A female body should look as unnatural as possible, censors state. Click to expand I am interested in, any info or links would be great? Click to expand [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 3:58AM BlackSix wrote: @drag, hard to know for sure that the cover photo is an accurate representation of Angela's skin tone either, in the days of photoshop and premier the visual image is so open to manipulation. Click to expand That's very true, it may be over saturated in colour in fact, but to my eyes anyway it is clear the source pic is not an accurate representation of skin tone, and adjusting it with VLC gave the scene an immediate impact of a more sensual and erotic feel, again for me. Again why I am very interested if there is something driving this white and unnatural and bit cold look? [Link]
lsnoop Member 301 Posts 5/09	Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 4:13AM >So again can you please provide evidence of your statement It was a conclusion based on a number of things. No evidence for this from me yet - except for what you actually see in those identical movies... Even if I posted here another article from elsewhere with enough evidence - would that change much? Would the industry change? Like another member said here: >directors do not care about details nowadays. >they will not change their formula, so white couches & white room till the end of the days. Edited by - lsnoop on 8/20/2016 4:15:12 AM [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 4:31AM lsnoop wrote: >So again can you please provide evidence of your statement It was a conclusion based on a number of things. No evidence for this from me yet - except for what you actually see in those identical movies... Even if I posted here another article from elsewhere with enough evidence - would that change much? Would the industry change? Like another member said here: >directors do not care about details nowadays. >they will not change their formula, so white couches & white room till the end of the days. Edited by - lsnoop on 8/20/2016 4:15:12 AM Click to expand That was never the point, and it was framed less as your conclusion with your opening statement implying there was a reason for this, a statement that read to me anyway that censorship was involved. It was ambiguous and I probably should have asked you first to clarify. What did you mean by "censors state"? Edited by - Draghixafan on 8/20/2016 4:43:26 AM [Link]
jfarley Member 242 Posts 5/09	Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 2:51PM draghixafan wrote: That's very true, it may be over saturated in colour in fact, but to my eyes anyway it is clear the source pic is not an accurate representation of skin tone, and adjusting it with VLC gave the scene an immediate impact of a more sensual and erotic feel, again for me. Again why I am very interested if there is something driving this white and unnatural and bit cold look? Click to expand I don't mind the pale/cold look as illustrated by the Angela White screenshot and think it complements women with pale skin. The "sensual and erotic feel" is independent of the colour palette to me, a black-and-white film can be sensual and erotic. What I don't like is that (not sure of the correct terminology) over exposed, over saturated, "blown out" look. I don't think it is due to white room and white couches, but just bad camera settings. That's been happening from time to time for decades and isn't a recent thing. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 5:29PM lsnoop wrote: It was a conclusion based on a number of things. No evidence for this from me yet - except for what you actually see in those identical movies... Click to expand Commercial pornography has always chased after trends, imitated whatever seemed successful, has been repetitive and often difficult to distinguish one product from the other. Back in the gomzo period the circus acts you talk about were reflective of that tendency. Today is no different. There is no conspiracy and there is no reason to think it has to do with censors. Producers have posted here regularly saying that the circus acts are expensive and don't sell that well. With production revenue down even those producers who liked producing that content (eg. Von Swine) are not able to unless they're part of a large successful company like Mason. [Link]
lsnoop Member 301 Posts 5/09	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 11:38AM ^ Luckily, there are enough clips4sale studios and independent producers so I don't really bother about bleachedbodywhitecouch dot com productions. You are so consistent in calling anything creative "circus acts", I really appreciate the effort! On a side note, I wonder how you would explain massive lobby of aged silicone pornstars, nepotism and cronyism in the industry (all those same performers and directors again and again) - I suggest you might have a look at this topic https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/the-state-of-porn-2016. Edited by - lsnoop on 8/22/2016 11:39:15 AM [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 1:43PM ^ I like that you refer to "more dicks" "more semen" "more fill in the blank here" as creative. If you think that is any more creative than "more silicone" "more bleach" etc, you're only fooling yourself. Even if it did manage to reflect the tiniest quantum of creativity... so what? Creativity in and of itself isn't necessarily good. Mike Adriano wearing Mickey Mouse gloves is creative, but it doesn't necessarily make his scenes any better. [Link]
lsnoop Member 301 Posts 5/09	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 3:54PM ^ This glove is just another example of the trend toward more censorship. I think he comes up with such things because anything else is censored. Remember old Evil Angel titles? Anal Acrobats? Early Darkko? There was sometimes white background, but nobody noticed that because movies were intense, filled with creative and hot things and just awesome. Where did that go? Edited by - lsnoop on 8/22/2016 3:55:24 PM [Link]
murdock Member I'm not an actor, but I play one on TV 911 Posts 4/06	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 7:02PM Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot. [Link]

draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 11:16PM jfarley wrote: draghixafan wrote: That's very true, it may be over saturated in colour in fact, but to my eyes anyway it is clear the source pic is not an accurate representation of skin tone, and adjusting it with VLC gave the scene an immediate impact of a more sensual and erotic feel, again for me. Again why I am very interested if there is something driving this white and unnatural and bit cold look? Click to expand I don't mind the pale/cold look as illustrated by the Angela White screenshot and think it complements women with pale skin. The "sensual and erotic feel" is independent of the colour palette to me, a black-and-white film can be sensual and erotic. What I don't like is that (not sure of the correct terminology) over exposed, over saturated, "blown out" look. I don't think it is due to white room and white couches, but just bad camera settings. That's been happening from time to time for decades and isn't a recent thing. Click to expand Totally agree, B&W can be very sensual & erotic, its almost the standard format used to create more eroticism in pics. I have not seen many movies except brief highlights in black and white to impart more sensuality. Again agree, just perhaps that with more white rooms and couches then add the pale/cold look it does become very white, and very samey if the action is pretty similar too. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 23 2016 : 2:34AM murdock wrote: ^ I like that you refer to "more dicks" "more semen" "more fill in the blank here" as creative. If you think that is any more creative than "more silicone" "more bleach" etc, you're only fooling yourself. Click to expand Exactly, I fail to see what is creative about American Bukkake 40 (40!). The gonzo era misunderstood Rocco's best work and drove it into the ground. It's very hard to really do anything truly orginal with shooting sex, Damiano noted thissin the 70s for christ's sake. Dana Vespoli is the most creative director out there but I highly doubt her straight/lesbian/trans genderfucking is what Isnoop is looking for. I think the best directors bring some kind of psychological or kink element to their scenes to give them spark. And this talk of bleached blondes and silicone is from a time machine, it was the gonzo era of the 90s that fixated on the blondes with fake tits, few of the biggest performers of the last 15 years match that description. Edited by - BlackSix on 8/23/2016 2:36:42 AM [Link]
lsnoop Member 301 Posts 5/09	Posted - Aug 23 2016 : 5:02AM ^ I don't get where you got that "more dicks" or "'more semen" I did not mean that at all ^ > I think the best directors bring some kind of psychological or kink element Exactly. Remember cumonherface, the Minion, coedsneedcash, humantoiletbowls? There were amateur talents and even midgets. Their content was a bit too weird sometimes, but all of them managed to provide psychological and kink elements. These sites had awful bleached lighting sometimes - just like today - but on the other hand there was always kink, quality and diversity. Nowadays not only colors are bleached and washed out - any emotions and psychological things are hidden in sterile white light. Speaking of bleached blondes and silicone you misunderstood me, I meant: 1) "bleached" because their skin color looks washed-out so bodies look identical in that white color and high-key lighting 2) I used silicone to describe those unnatural aged milfs who invaded the industry. Not only silicone is in their tits, it seems to be everywhere, with lots of plastic surgery on top of that. That's what I meant when I said "aged silicone pornstars". 3) I appreciate the 90s and blondes with silicone tits from that era are totally fine for me. However, many talents, both male and female, who started long ago are still around and performing and this is surely another big disappointment and a whole different story. I know of some Dana's movies, but it's more like a drop in the ocean Edited by - lsnoop on 8/23/2016 5:03:33 AM [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 24 2016 : 1:59AM lsnoop wrote: Remember cumonherface, the Minion, Click to expand Off the top of my head.. http://www.putalocura.com I used to love COHF and admittedly is no gangbang before ^their bukkake, but am sure their exist similar amateur gangbang bukkake sites around.. like Sperma-Studio.com which picked up when GGG got professional and lost its amateur underground feel which was the very thing that made it so awesome! lsnoop wrote: coedsneedcash, humantoiletbowls? Click to expand Not sure what about coedsneedcash is relevant to your point, and humantoiletbowls looks like a gimmick rarely used in their vids? Unless it is the amateur element but undoubtedly are amateur sites around today too, none spring to mind as never really been my thing. Edited by - draghixafan on 8/24/2016 2:03:07 AM [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Aug 24 2016 : 4:09AM lsnoop wrote: Exactly. Remember cumonherface, the Minion, coedsneedcash, humantoiletbowls? There were amateur talents and even midgets. Their content was a bit too weird sometimes, but all of them managed to provide psychological and kink elements. Click to expand I prefer Jake Malone, Joey Silvera and early Mason when it comes to kink. [Link]
lsnoop Member 301 Posts 5/09	Posted - Aug 24 2016 : 6:38AM ^ Those were like random examples I got off the top of my head. Puralocura has stopped producing videos recently and Torbe is in prison... >coedsneedcash is relevant to your point Sites like this had nice ambient lighting and good camera angles as far as I remember... I think it's still relevant because: a) nowadays major studios enforce bleaching, high-key, closeup and POV b) other producers are forced to use this or just chasing the trend c) as a result we see lots of identical movies Unfortunately, I see the same people replying and practically no feedback from other members... which means the majority still doesn't care. Edited by - lsnoop on 8/24/2016 6:39:36 AM [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Aug 24 2016 : 11:00PM lsnoop wrote: Puralocura has stopped producing videos recently and Torbe is in prison... Click to expand Did not know that, explains a few things, but there are sites around doing amateur bukkake, with ugly dudes :) lsnoop wrote: Sites like this had nice ambient lighting and good camera angles as far as I remember... I think it's still relevant because: a) nowadays major studios enforce bleaching, high-key, closeup and POV b) other producers are forced to use this or just chasing the trend c) as a result we see lots of identical movies Unfortunately, I see the same people replying and practically no feedback from other members... which means the majority still doesn't care. Click to expand Yeah back in the 00s they had better.. colouring, and.. a) I don't see that much closeup except Adriano, and POV was bigger in the 00s with several DVD lines, now is often a POV blowjob which I love but not a lot of POV series? b) Related note I remember emailing the G Picasso the HerSweetHand guy that I missed his old HJ vids, and now ended with sex, and said he had to do it or someone else would. But not the same thing with white room, couch, colorisation, as has opened a market for others to bring back what many of us are craving. c) My issue with the identical has been for years a brief hot intro lounge-naked-facial, and more recently the prominence of white room/couch and noticing more now after this thread the bleaching too. [Link]
lsnoop Member 301 Posts 5/09	Posted - Aug 27 2016 : 7:55PM Good news, everyone! You won't believe that but Manuel Ferrara's recent movie Sexual Athletics has actually some color in it! I mean like there is still white background and a white couch but female bodies are not 99% white any more!! Is this a single case or something is changing and we can start celebrating ? [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Sep 20 2016 : 12:47AM dogzcatcher wrote: Late September, 2016. In a convention hall, decorated with American flags, a stage and two podiums. Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump enter the stage from opposite sides to a light applause from the adults in the audience. The moderator, Megyn Kelly, introduces both candidates and asks the crowd to hold it's applause until the conclusion of the debate. The debate begins. Slings and arrows are thrown back and forth. Finally, Megyn says "enough!" "You two get undressed right now!" Slowly, both candidates remove their clothing. Both stand nude behind their podiums. Megyn climbs up to the stage and slowly removes her clothing, while standing between both podiums. At last, neither candidate, nor the media has anything to hide. Megyn orders Donald to lay on his back. He complies with her demand. Megyn orders Hillary to sit on Donald's face and grind on it. "Stick that tongue out!", Megyn demands of Donald. For the next forty five minutes, Hillary grinds herself on Donald until she exhibits an orgasm. If you thought her angry face was something, you're not going to believe her "stink face" when she has an orgasm wiggling around on "The Donald". By now, Donald's three inch erection is hard as a rock. Megyn grabs a tube of KY from under the podium to prepare herself. She slowly lowers herself down onto him, gets up on both feet and squat fucks Donald until he busts a nut inside her. Hillary climbs off Donald's face for Megyn to take her place. "Stick your tongue out!" Megyn demands. Donald complies. Thirty minutes later, Megyn puts a vise grip around Donald's face with her thighs, grabs that thing on the top of his head and squirts a big stream of Megyn Kelly girl juice on him. Talking heads on both CNN and Fox discuss the debate afterwards. Bill O'Reilly says, "I'm never going to get the image of a nude Hillary out of my mind". "Damn it!" Click to expand Love it! Megyn Kelly is like a sexbot from the future! But I have to ask my friend, where is the white on white, I see a lot of white on tangerine? [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Sep 30 2016 : 9:29PM "white on tangerine" nothing....... @dogzcatcher - you there buddy? [Link]

Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Oct 1 2016 : 9:24PM In a white room.. with white couches.. With white walls... with a White girl... taking a white facial cumshot... with the camera pointing into the direct sunlight coming through the window... with white curtains... And, after all that, the guy still can't cum and they fake the cumshot [Link]
hmerin Member 18 Posts 9/16	Posted - Oct 1 2016 : 11:51PM I agree. I absolutely hate antiseptic sex. For those who like it, I propose an entire new genre labelled Clean Room. That can go on the lowest shelf of the porn shop in the back corner. [Link]
dogzcatcher All-Star Member Fat bottomed girls make the rockin' world go round! 1551 Posts 5/09	Posted - Oct 7 2016 : 12:13AM draghixafan wrote: "white on tangerine" Click to expand ^ Venue: The white-colored Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah. Vehicle: A white-colored land sailboat with a white-colored sail. Using a drone with a GoPro camera attached, director Mason follows Michael Stefano and Lindsey Meadows as they sail across the salt flats. Both are nude. Michael works the sail, while Lindsey is impaled on his erection, facing him, with her back flat against the bow of the boat. Quite the acrobatic effort for both performers to seamlessly control the boat, while their own equipment is running like a well-oiled machine. Michael provides all of his best vocals for Lindsey, such as "oh, sweetheart", while Lindsey obviously enjoys the sensation of his girth inside her. The drone follows the couple wherever the wind blows. After thirty minutes of intercourse, Lindsey changes position to one where she is kneeling between Michael's legs, with him in her mouth. Knowing of this shoot months in advance, Michael abstained from ejaculation for two weeks to prepare. Let your mind imagine the amount of cum that filled Lindsey's eager mouth, when Michael unloaded, and how good it felt for Mr. Stefano to unleash it. Absence makes the heart grow fonder and the cum shot better. [Link]
JC_Denton Member Fat bottomed girls you make the rockin' world go round... 593 Posts 7/13	Posted - Oct 7 2016 : 12:16PM While I sympathize with the OP, that little pessimist in the back of my head hypothesizes that when this trend eventually wanes in favour of another one, that something might become comparably prevalent and wear out its welcome just as quickly for some. Such as, colourful interiors where contrast levels have been jacked up to eleven coupled with omnipresent lens flares... I still remember when Elegant Angel latched on to this white-on-white aesthetic. My initial reaction was something like: "Great! Where did I put my sunglasses?". I thought that this was something that was going to last a handful of installments before it got abandoned. But that was back in 2009-2010, so... shrugs [Link]
tintintin Senior Member 1230 Posts 8/07	Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 7:38PM I complained about white rooms and white interiours before. But it is good the bring back this subject. Clinical sex in clinical minimalistic houses and stages. And thats not the only thing that bothers me..... THE SOUND in the (mostly) big rooms is terrible. There is alot of echo.. and when actors say nasty stuff to eachother it is hard to hear. I hate the staged scenes in white rooms like this one from Arche Angel Edited by - tintintin on 10/8/2016 7:43:52 PM [Link]
pat362 Senior Member 10083 Posts 3/10	Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 9:44PM I'm going to pose the following question. Is it possible that the white room, white wall and bright lighting is simply an extension of modern gonzo porn that has reduced most sex scenes to what is essentially an advance class in sexual organs and their interaction with each other? I mean your standard gonzo porn scene is basically a female that will either be semi-naked or already naked with one or more male with penises that are already erect penetrating her mouth, vagina or ass(depending on type of scene or director) within a few minutes of the beginning of the scene and where most of the shots are close ups of the penetration to the exclusion of any other view. Is it any wonder that porn producer want the rooms to look more like examination rooms than anything else. [Link]
johnnyscorpio Member Imma Jerkoff 153 Posts 6/16	Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 5:21AM pat362 wrote: I'm going to pose the following question. Is it possible that the white room, white wall and bright lighting is simply an extension of modern gonzo porn that has reduced most sex scenes to what is essentially an advance class in sexual organs and their interaction with each other? I mean your standard gonzo porn scene is basically a female that will either be semi-naked or already naked with one or more male with penises that are already erect penetrating her mouth, vagina or ass(depending on type of scene or director) within a few minutes of the beginning of the scene and where most of the shots are close ups of the penetration to the exclusion of any other view. Is it any wonder that porn producer want the rooms to look more like examination rooms than anything else. Click to expand I guess they shoot em like that because it's clear and clean-looking--no ugly furniture, slipcovers, colors, nothing to distract you. And the bodies and skin tones show up good against the pure white background. It makes a difference, but then the completely white setup is too much. The sex in these scenes I noticed tends towards the mechanical even though it's good hard fucking and good-looking models, and I'm sure a lot of them are really horny. The whole thing is really stylized, but it somehow takes away from the heat factor. [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Oct 12 2016 : 12:45AM ^ & ^^ I think some of it eg. LP through this has attained the zenith, the complete and true realisation of gonzo porn.. No distractions - background, clothing/costumes, setup/story 3 holes - for big dicks to mechanically penetrate [Link]
johnnyscorpio Member Imma Jerkoff 153 Posts 6/16	Posted - Oct 12 2016 : 8:59AM draghixafan wrote: ^ & ^^ I think some of it eg. LP through this has attained the zenith, the complete and true realisation of gonzo porn.. No distractions - background, clothing/costumes, setup/story 3 holes - for big dicks to mechanically penetrate Click to expand u find the LP scenes real hot and can get your rocks off to them real good--A grade material? [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Oct 17 2016 : 12:07AM ^ Nah, let me just say I'm not a fan :) [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Oct 17 2016 : 12:14AM Recently reminded when my hatred for this was spawned.. MilkingTable.com I love their sexy mesh/fishnet outfits and looking really sexy, I love milking table vids in the same way I like gloryhole vids that the focus is entirely on the girl with only the stuntcock, literally, and no HMA (Hairy Man Ass).. but that was the problem, there was no sex or anything else so the entire focus and what the girls were to do was two things 1. stroke/suck the cock and 2. get cum on by said cock, and therein lies the issue, when the room is white the floor is white and its in front of a white light window in the daytime, the cumshot becomes completely invisible and often even after it magically appeared on the girl with all that white it was barely visible. [o\\|] [Link]
Dragon Sign Deactivated User 3381 Posts 12/13	Posted - Nov 17 2016 : 7:50AM It's very un-cool, this. It brings no joy. I thought I'd check out my wishlist. Clearify things. Ending up in this Box of this thread instead. First delete was to be Teens in Tight Jeans featuring Gina Valntina and some very hot chicks. But some Things have gone VERY wrong since the early days of Vince Voyeur back in 2006, it used to joyful DVDs. 1. These are not teens for the most part. Selling lies do not come as a good thing. Voyeur was 100 % trustworthy. Best crapcutter in porn ever IMO. 2. Mick Blue cuts off jeans. What's the deal here? It's an estetique downer with failing guarantee. Bonerwise I have big trouble just going there. I'm not some cannibal, nor some raw butcher, having to sabotage expensive clothing too eat flesh in some fastest way, having to cut off jeans. This gives me nothing. I repeat NOTHING. 3. I have bought seven volumes of Teens in tight Jeans. I did not go fully wrong never. But I don't buy one again. Now it's white rooms 100% of the time. Are we human, or are we brainwashed. I don't know. This is inbetween somewhere. And not joyful at all. Mick Blue may not have Voyeur's budget, but he could have the house. Some painting. Strart using it. And don't do things worse by destroying 200 dollar jeans. So nihilistic that I'm out. [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Nov 17 2016 : 8:50PM ^ I've never bought any of these, but after a quick look at 7 and early ones 2 & 3, though the jeans are cut in 7 at least they are still on, because the early ones 2 & 3 the jeans are quickly stripped off, my biggest peeve, when the fetish is in the intro only then gone completely in the actual scene and replaced with yet another naked couch facial scene? Pity he doesn't cut just a fuck hole so as much of the jeans are on as possible?? And unfortunately it seems we are all powerless to stop it! The joy draining scourge poisoning all adult content across the universe!! White fucking rooms.. with white fucking couches... and white fucking cinematography!!! [Link]
draghixafan Senior Member Less identical crap, more sleaze and bush! 2378 Posts 7/09	Posted - Feb 21 2017 : 5:16AM still shits me! loses contrast curve highlighting less intimate/sleazy, less porn feel (for this guy) cloaks the cumshot [Link]
moebius22 Senior Member 1528 Posts 12/09	Posted - Feb 25 2017 : 10:39PM Anywhere WITHOUT white walls. [Link]
Porn Scout Deactivated User 3735 Posts 10/02	Posted - Feb 26 2017 : 8:12PM White on white definitely NOT the way to go. It screws up the lighting and makes the scene boring. Better to change things up a bit, add some different visual elements to the background, some relief. [Link]

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draghixafan
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Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 1:06PM

Then can you please keep those demands out of this thread.
However I am still very interested in the industry use as will quote again you said here..

Excluding completely the JAV pixelation bit, but the use of high-key lighting as I do see this in a lot of porn today and agree it has gotten to the point of making the girls look unnatural, and that link you provided had nothing to do with it and was about censorship of your content demands.

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Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 3:11PM

The idea that we need more bukakkes, pissing to address a lack of imagination in porn is absurd. Those circus acts are the death of imagination and in the 00s were presented over and over again by JM productions and Khan Tusion with all the panache and imagination of a hobo masturbating into a garbagecan.

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Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 7:00PM

I get what so many of you are saying about blown out scenes shot against white backgrounds. It is easy to do it in a way that makes the scene seem cold and sterile, and when it is used too predictably it falls flat. I am also not a fan of those scenes.
The technique of using whites and prominent highlights in photography is rarely done well in porn, but when it is, it can look stunning. Here are a few photos by Frannie Adams to show you what I am talking about. She was the best there was at this style of photography while she still worked in the business. I pulled some of the ones shot "in a white room... white couches..." just for this post.

She liked to bring out the whites in all settings though, and it always looked great.

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Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 10:05PM

But where is the porn??? lol
She is stunning with the perfect body! But..
Angela 2 (2015)
Is yet another disappointment with this issue, plus with it usually comes my peeve on today's content..
Every Scene
Hot outdooor intro.. check!
Cut to indoors white lounge white (and tan) couch.. check!
Neglecting her spectacular tits with facials.. check!
and it grabbed a bag of award nominations and wins and so seems we are stuffed, and will continue to get this?!
and also important for..
Unnatural
Cover:
Full of colour and skin tone and very hot!..
angela vol 2 cover.jpg

Source:
Unnaturally bleached white..
Angela vol 2 - original.jpg

Adjusted:
After some quick adjustment using VLC to give back skin tone..
Angela vol 2 - adjusted2.jpg

This is a perfect example of why I am still very keen to hear back from you lsnoop (and you too please LPee23) on the use of high-key lighting / whites and prominent highlights?

Edited by - draghixafan on 8/18/2016 10:23:22 PM

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Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 10:42PM

^ That just looks like they're trying to mimic the current hollywood moody blockbuster formula...
Movie + Gray Filter = Profit?
(not to be confused with the hollywood kerplosion blockbuster formula of Movie + Yellow Filter = Profit?)
For what it's worth, I have a few Jay Sin movies at home that I ran through some VirtualDub filters to get the over-saturated florescent colors to stop clipping. I liked the films but couldn't stand the color choices so I took it upon myself to make a version I could tolerate better.

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Posted - Aug 18 2016 : 10:47PM

I agree with you that the scene you posted is typical of the many blown out scenes that misuse this style and give it a bad name. You definitely improved it with your tonal correction.
I just want to point out that this style can look really amazing, but photos that achieve that effect are few and far between.
I think the effect is even harder to make work in video than in photo. The videos from JuliLand.com are the first ones I can think of that did it well. Avery was going for artistic effect there, not realism. And he played around with many other effects such as high contrast and greyscale.

I agree with you though. Most often, when you see blown out photos or videos, it is not a desirable effect.

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lsnoop
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Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 2:23AM

draghixafan wrote:
dogzcatcher wrote:
This is a perfect example of why I am still very keen to hear back from you lsnoop (and you too please LPee23) on the use of high-key lighting / whites and prominent highlights?
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My demands are primarily AGAINST this kind of lighting - if it was not clear from the start - so there is no way I keep those out of this thread.
As for those links I provided and my thoughts about censorship - this is my opinion, probably some industry insiders here could share more reliable and constructive information. Moreover, I would be really happy if it is proven wrong with actual content...
Speaking of lighting and camera, I prefer ambient light and rich natural color. I totally support your statement: "Less identical crap".
The only fact that we have to discuss such things here illustrates the whole point: something has gone completely wrong with the industry. But for censorship, more studios would normally produce content in natural lighting and color - this is what I think.
>The idea that we need more bukakkes, pissing to address a lack of imagination in porn is absurd.
You probably got the idea, so there is no need to start picking on words. I can tell you for sure what we don't need: bleached silicone grannies bathing in white light with the same male performers over and over again. The whole thing is getting more like sci-fi, seriously.

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Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 3:22AM

Not sure that counts as a 'tonal correction.' Hard to know if the pinker skin is actually more accurate or just 'looks right.'

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Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 3:24AM

LPee23 wrote:
draghixafan wrote:
This is a perfect example of why I am still very keen to hear back from you lsnoop (and you too please LPee23) on the use of high-key lighting / whites and prominent highlights?
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I agree with you that the scene you posted is typical of the many blown out scenes that misuse this style and give it a bad name. You definitely improved it with your tonal correction.
I just want to point out that this style can look really amazing, but photos that achieve that effect are few and far between.
I think the effect is even harder to make work in video than in photo. The videos from JuliLand.com are the first ones I can think of that did it well. Avery was going for artistic effect there, not realism. And he played around with many other effects such as high contrast and greyscale.

I agree with you though. Most often, when you see blown out photos or videos, it is not a desirable effect.
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I agree, and I love artsy porn too. Huge fan of Andrew Blake and more recently and more on topic the seems now defunct alt porn movement and one of my favs Jack the Zipper, and that when used properly and perhaps sparingly and edited well I agree completely it is amazing!
But also was always a bit more eroticism in those movies, whereas today it's just endless mechanical gonzo jack-hammering for 40mins, where seems both the sensuality aswell as the colour has been drained out of the scene. But even my reliable goto RogReviews rated that scene as the best gangbang of 2015, so it seems everyone is a convert?
I'm not sure if it's as murdock said just keeping pace with the current Hollywood trends or there is something to what lsnoop says that there is more to it, but either way it is becoming prevalent and getting worse in that it's no longer just white rooms and white couches, it's now white cinematography too...

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Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 3:26AM

Compare them to the cover picture :)

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Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 3:37AM

lsnoop wrote:
My demands are primarily AGAINST this kind of lighting - if it was not clear from the start - so there is no way I keep those out of this thread.
As for those links I provided and my thoughts about censorship - this is my opinion, probably some industry insiders here could share more reliable and constructive information. Moreover, I would be really happy if it is proven wrong with actual content...
Speaking of lighting and camera, I prefer ambient light and rich natural color. I totally support your statement: "Less identical crap".
The only fact that we have to discuss such things here illustrates the whole point: something has gone completely wrong with the industry. But for censorship, more studios would normally produce content in natural lighting and color - this is what I think.
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Your demands I was talking about was clearly all the other guff about bukkake etc.
You mentioned "censors state", that was the info I was interested in and in relation to the whitening, when the link was again about content.
Yeah less identical crap is definitely needed, though being offline for a couple of years I missed some new sites that have arisen offering something different.
My original point was about white rooms and couches, but you raised an excellent point that as clearly illustrated with that Angel comparison there is whitening of the picture too. I still would not call it censoring, and maybe it is just a Hollywood trend being matched, but regardless its very interesting nonetheless?
Edited by - draghixafan on 8/19/2016 3:38:10 AM

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lsnoop
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Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 5:33AM

^ Bukkake is not "guff".
This was probably off-topic here I admit, however we should not hide the fact political correctness and censorship have gone too far into the industry.
The problem is not solely lighting, white rooms or couches ... That's why there is probably a number of off-topic things here.

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Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 7:52AM

Complaining that the porn industry is PC and 'censoring' because bukkakes are played out and just too expensive these days again strikes me as very unconvincing.
@drag, hard to know for sure that the cover photo is an accurate representation of Angela's skin tone either, in the days of photoshop and premier the visual image is so open to manipulation.

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Posted - Aug 19 2016 : 10:52AM

Late September, 2016. In a convention hall, decorated with American flags, a stage and two podiums.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump enter the stage from opposite sides to a light applause from the adults in the audience. The moderator, Megyn Kelly, introduces both candidates and asks the crowd to hold it's applause until the conclusion of the debate.
The debate begins. Slings and arrows are thrown back and forth. Finally, Megyn says "enough!" "You two get undressed right now!"
Slowly, both candidates remove their clothing. Both stand nude behind their podiums. Megyn climbs up to the stage and slowly removes her clothing, while standing between both podiums.
At last, neither candidate, nor the media has anything to hide.
Megyn orders Donald to lay on his back. He complies with her demand. Megyn orders Hillary to sit on Donald's face and grind on it.
"Stick that tongue out!", Megyn demands of Donald. For the next forty five minutes, Hillary grinds herself on Donald until she exhibits an orgasm.
If you thought her angry face was something, you're not going to believe her "stink face" when she has an orgasm wiggling around on "The Donald".
By now, Donald's three inch erection is hard as a rock. Megyn grabs a tube of KY from under the podium to prepare herself. She slowly lowers herself down onto him, gets up on both feet and squat fucks Donald until he busts a nut inside her. Hillary climbs off Donald's face for Megyn to take her place. "Stick your tongue out!" Megyn demands. Donald complies. Thirty minutes later, Megyn puts a vise grip around Donald's face with her thighs, grabs that thing on the top of his head and squirts a big stream of Megyn Kelly girl juice on him.
Talking heads on both CNN and Fox discuss the debate afterwards.
Bill O'Reilly says, "I'm never going to get the image of a nude Hillary out of my mind". "Damn it!"
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draghixafan
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Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 3:48AM

No, but you continuing to post about it when asked not to and by your own admission it off topic is.
Your opening comment about white and lighting and "censors state" however is on topic, and keeping asking you about this and to give references to your claim that censors state, as this is relevant to the topic, that there may be another reason for this..
But you again posted a link about bukkake censorship.
Then again even in your admission it's off topic you post about PC and censorship again!
Sure whatever your beef is should not be overlooked but NOT IN THIS THREAD!
And sure that are lots of issues in the industry but this IS about white rooms and couches, but you continue to push your agenda and refuse to back up your claims about your comment that is on topic.
So again can you please provide evidence of your statement, only, that..

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Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 3:58AM

That's very true, it may be over saturated in colour in fact, but to my eyes anyway it is clear the source pic is not an accurate representation of skin tone, and adjusting it with VLC gave the scene an immediate impact of a more sensual and erotic feel, again for me.
Again why I am very interested if there is something driving this white and unnatural and bit cold look?

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lsnoop
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Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 4:13AM

>So again can you please provide evidence of your statement
It was a conclusion based on a number of things. No evidence for this from me yet - except for what you actually see in those identical movies...
Even if I posted here another article from elsewhere with enough evidence - would that change much? Would the industry change?
Like another member said here:
>directors do not care about details nowadays.
>they will not change their formula, so white couches & white room till the end of the days.
Edited by - lsnoop on 8/20/2016 4:15:12 AM

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Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 4:31AM

That was never the point, and it was framed less as your conclusion with your opening statement implying there was a reason for this, a statement that read to me anyway that censorship was involved.
It was ambiguous and I probably should have asked you first to clarify.
What did you mean by "censors state"?
Edited by - Draghixafan on 8/20/2016 4:43:26 AM

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Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 2:51PM

I don't mind the pale/cold look as illustrated by the Angela White screenshot and think it complements women with pale skin. The "sensual and erotic feel" is independent of the colour palette to me, a black-and-white film can be sensual and erotic.
What I don't like is that (not sure of the correct terminology) over exposed, over saturated, "blown out" look. I don't think it is due to white room and white couches, but just bad camera settings. That's been happening from time to time for decades and isn't a recent thing.

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Posted - Aug 20 2016 : 5:29PM

Commercial pornography has always chased after trends, imitated whatever seemed successful, has been repetitive and often difficult to distinguish one product from the other. Back in the gomzo period the circus acts you talk about were reflective of that tendency. Today is no different. There is no conspiracy and there is no reason to think it has to do with censors.
Producers have posted here regularly saying that the circus acts are expensive and don't sell that well. With production revenue down even those producers who liked producing that content (eg. Von Swine) are not able to unless they're part of a large successful company like Mason.

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lsnoop
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Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 11:38AM

^ Luckily, there are enough clips4sale studios and independent producers so I don't really bother about bleachedbodywhitecouch dot com productions.
You are so consistent in calling anything creative "circus acts", I really appreciate the effort!
On a side note, I wonder how you would explain massive lobby of aged silicone pornstars, nepotism and cronyism in the industry (all those same performers and directors again and again) - I suggest you might have a look at this topic https://forum.adultdvdtalk.com/the-state-of-porn-2016.
Edited by - lsnoop on 8/22/2016 11:39:15 AM

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Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 1:43PM

^ I like that you refer to "more dicks" "more semen" "more fill in the blank here" as creative. If you think that is any more creative than "more silicone" "more bleach" etc, you're only fooling yourself. Even if it did manage to reflect the tiniest quantum of creativity... so what? Creativity in and of itself isn't necessarily good. Mike Adriano wearing Mickey Mouse gloves is creative, but it doesn't necessarily make his scenes any better.

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lsnoop
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Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 3:54PM

^ This glove is just another example of the trend toward more censorship. I think he comes up with such things because anything else is censored.
Remember old Evil Angel titles? Anal Acrobats? Early Darkko?
There was sometimes white background, but nobody noticed that because movies were intense, filled with creative and hot things and just awesome.
Where did that go?
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Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 7:02PM

Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot.

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Posted - Aug 22 2016 : 11:16PM

jfarley wrote:
draghixafan wrote:
That's very true, it may be over saturated in colour in fact, but to my eyes anyway it is clear the source pic is not an accurate representation of skin tone, and adjusting it with VLC gave the scene an immediate impact of a more sensual and erotic feel, again for me.
Again why I am very interested if there is something driving this white and unnatural and bit cold look?
Click to expand
I don't mind the pale/cold look as illustrated by the Angela White screenshot and think it complements women with pale skin. The "sensual and erotic feel" is independent of the colour palette to me, a black-and-white film can be sensual and erotic.
What I don't like is that (not sure of the correct terminology) over exposed, over saturated, "blown out" look. I don't think it is due to white room and white couches, but just bad camera settings. That's been happening from time to time for decades and isn't a recent thing.
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Totally agree, B&W can be very sensual & erotic, its almost the standard format used to create more eroticism in pics. I have not seen many movies except brief highlights in black and white to impart more sensuality.
Again agree, just perhaps that with more white rooms and couches then add the pale/cold look it does become very white, and very samey if the action is pretty similar too.

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Posted - Aug 23 2016 : 2:34AM

Exactly, I fail to see what is creative about American Bukkake 40 (40!). The gonzo era misunderstood Rocco's best work and drove it into the ground.
It's very hard to really do anything truly orginal with shooting sex, Damiano noted thissin the 70s for christ's sake. Dana Vespoli is the most creative director out there but I highly doubt her straight/lesbian/trans genderfucking is what Isnoop is looking for.
I think the best directors bring some kind of psychological or kink element to their scenes to give them spark.
And this talk of bleached blondes and silicone is from a time machine, it was the gonzo era of the 90s that fixated on the blondes with fake tits, few of the biggest performers of the last 15 years match that description.
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Posted - Aug 23 2016 : 5:02AM

^ I don't get where you got that "more dicks" or "'more semen" I did not mean that at all ^
> I think the best directors bring some kind of psychological or kink element
Exactly. Remember cumonherface, the Minion, coedsneedcash, humantoiletbowls? There were amateur talents and even midgets. Their content was a bit too weird sometimes, but all of them managed to provide psychological and kink elements.
These sites had awful bleached lighting sometimes - just like today - but on the other hand there was always kink, quality and diversity. Nowadays not only colors are bleached and washed out - any emotions and psychological things are hidden in sterile white light.
Speaking of bleached blondes and silicone you misunderstood me, I meant:
1) "bleached" because their skin color looks washed-out so bodies look identical in that white color and high-key lighting
2) I used silicone to describe those unnatural aged milfs who invaded the industry. Not only silicone is in their tits, it seems to be everywhere, with lots of plastic surgery on top of that. That's what I meant when I said "aged silicone pornstars".
3) I appreciate the 90s and blondes with silicone tits from that era are totally fine for me. However, many talents, both male and female, who started long ago are still around and performing and this is surely another big disappointment and a whole different story.

I know of some Dana's movies, but it's more like a drop in the ocean
Edited by - lsnoop on 8/23/2016 5:03:33 AM

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draghixafan
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Posted - Aug 24 2016 : 1:59AM

Off the top of my head..
http://www.putalocura.com

I used to love COHF and admittedly is no gangbang before ^their bukkake, but am sure their exist similar amateur gangbang bukkake sites around.. like Sperma-Studio.com which picked up when GGG got professional and lost its amateur underground feel which was the very thing that made it so awesome!

Not sure what about coedsneedcash is relevant to your point, and humantoiletbowls looks like a gimmick rarely used in their vids? Unless it is the amateur element but undoubtedly are amateur sites around today too, none spring to mind as never really been my thing.
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BlackSix

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Posted - Aug 24 2016 : 4:09AM

I prefer Jake Malone, Joey Silvera and early Mason when it comes to kink.

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lsnoop
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Posted - Aug 24 2016 : 6:38AM

^ Those were like random examples I got off the top of my head.
Puralocura has stopped producing videos recently and Torbe is in prison...
>coedsneedcash is relevant to your point
Sites like this had nice ambient lighting and good camera angles as far as I remember... I think it's still relevant because:
a) nowadays major studios enforce bleaching, high-key, closeup and POV
b) other producers are forced to use this or just chasing the trend
c) as a result we see lots of identical movies
Unfortunately, I see the same people replying and practically no feedback from other members... which means the majority still doesn't care.
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draghixafan
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Posted - Aug 24 2016 : 11:00PM

Did not know that, explains a few things, but there are sites around doing amateur bukkake, with ugly dudes :)

Yeah back in the 00s they had better.. colouring, and..
a) I don't see that much closeup except Adriano, and POV was bigger in the 00s with several DVD lines, now is often a POV blowjob which I love but not a lot of POV series?
b) Related note I remember emailing the G Picasso the HerSweetHand guy that I missed his old HJ vids, and now ended with sex, and said he had to do it or someone else would. But not the same thing with white room, couch, colorisation, as has opened a market for others to bring back what many of us are craving.
c) My issue with the identical has been for years a brief hot intro lounge-naked-facial, and more recently the prominence of white room/couch and noticing more now after this thread the bleaching too.

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lsnoop
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Posted - Aug 27 2016 : 7:55PM

Good news, everyone!
You won't believe that but Manuel Ferrara's recent movie Sexual Athletics has actually some color in it! I mean like there is still white background and a white couch but female bodies are not 99% white any more!!
Is this a single case or something is changing and we can start celebrating ?

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Posted - Sep 20 2016 : 12:47AM

dogzcatcher wrote:
Late September, 2016. In a convention hall, decorated with American flags, a stage and two podiums.
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump enter the stage from opposite sides to a light applause from the adults in the audience. The moderator, Megyn Kelly, introduces both candidates and asks the crowd to hold it's applause until the conclusion of the debate.
The debate begins. Slings and arrows are thrown back and forth. Finally, Megyn says "enough!" "You two get undressed right now!"
Slowly, both candidates remove their clothing. Both stand nude behind their podiums. Megyn climbs up to the stage and slowly removes her clothing, while standing between both podiums.
At last, neither candidate, nor the media has anything to hide.
Megyn orders Donald to lay on his back. He complies with her demand. Megyn orders Hillary to sit on Donald's face and grind on it.
"Stick that tongue out!", Megyn demands of Donald. For the next forty five minutes, Hillary grinds herself on Donald until she exhibits an orgasm.
If you thought her angry face was something, you're not going to believe her "stink face" when she has an orgasm wiggling around on "The Donald".
By now, Donald's three inch erection is hard as a rock. Megyn grabs a tube of KY from under the podium to prepare herself. She slowly lowers herself down onto him, gets up on both feet and squat fucks Donald until he busts a nut inside her. Hillary climbs off Donald's face for Megyn to take her place. "Stick your tongue out!" Megyn demands. Donald complies. Thirty minutes later, Megyn puts a vise grip around Donald's face with her thighs, grabs that thing on the top of his head and squirts a big stream of Megyn Kelly girl juice on him.
Talking heads on both CNN and Fox discuss the debate afterwards.
Bill O'Reilly says, "I'm never going to get the image of a nude Hillary out of my mind". "Damn it!"
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Love it!

Megyn Kelly is like a sexbot from the future!
But I have to ask my friend, where is the white on white, I see a lot of white on tangerine?

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Posted - Sep 30 2016 : 9:29PM

"white on tangerine"

nothing.......
@dogzcatcher - you there buddy?

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Goldstein

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Posted - Oct 1 2016 : 9:24PM

In a white room.. with white couches..
With white walls... with a White girl... taking a white facial cumshot... with the camera pointing into the direct sunlight coming through the window... with white curtains...
And, after all that, the guy still can't cum and they fake the cumshot

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hmerin
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Posted - Oct 1 2016 : 11:51PM

I agree. I absolutely hate antiseptic sex. For those who like it, I propose an entire new genre labelled Clean Room. That can go on the lowest shelf of the porn shop in the back corner.

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Posted - Oct 7 2016 : 12:13AM

Venue: The white-colored Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah.
Vehicle: A white-colored land sailboat with a white-colored sail.
Using a drone with a GoPro camera attached, director Mason follows Michael Stefano and Lindsey Meadows as they sail across the salt flats. Both are nude. Michael works the sail, while Lindsey is impaled on his erection, facing him, with her back flat against the bow of the boat. Quite the acrobatic effort for both performers to seamlessly control the boat, while their own equipment is running like a well-oiled machine. Michael provides all of his best vocals for Lindsey, such as "oh, sweetheart", while Lindsey obviously enjoys the sensation of his girth inside her.
The drone follows the couple wherever the wind blows. After thirty minutes of intercourse, Lindsey changes position to one where she is kneeling between Michael's legs, with him in her mouth.
Knowing of this shoot months in advance, Michael abstained from ejaculation for two weeks to prepare.
Let your mind imagine the amount of cum that filled Lindsey's eager mouth, when Michael unloaded, and how good it felt for Mr. Stefano to unleash it.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder and the cum shot better.

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JC_Denton
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Posted - Oct 7 2016 : 12:16PM

While I sympathize with the OP, that little pessimist in the back of my head hypothesizes that when this trend eventually wanes in favour of another one, that something might become comparably prevalent and wear out its welcome just as quickly for some.
Such as, colourful interiors where contrast levels have been jacked up to eleven coupled with omnipresent lens flares...
I still remember when Elegant Angel latched on to this white-on-white aesthetic. My initial reaction was something like: "Great! Where did I put my sunglasses?". I thought that this was something that was going to last a handful of installments before it got abandoned. But that was back in 2009-2010, so...
*shrugs*

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tintintin
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 7:38PM

I complained about white rooms and white interiours before.
But it is good the bring back this subject.
Clinical sex in clinical minimalistic houses and stages.
And thats not the only thing that bothers me..... THE SOUND in the (mostly) big rooms is terrible. There is alot of echo.. and when actors say nasty stuff to eachother it is hard to hear.

I hate the staged scenes in white rooms like this one from Arche Angel
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Posted - Oct 8 2016 : 9:44PM

I'm going to pose the following question. Is it possible that the white room, white wall and bright lighting is simply an extension of modern gonzo porn that has reduced most sex scenes to what is essentially an advance class in sexual organs and their interaction with each other?
I mean your standard gonzo porn scene is basically a female that will either be semi-naked or already naked with one or more male with penises that are already erect penetrating her mouth, vagina or ass(depending on type of scene or director) within a few minutes of the beginning of the scene and where most of the shots are close ups of the penetration to the exclusion of any other view. Is it any wonder that porn producer want the rooms to look more like examination rooms than anything else.

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Posted - Oct 11 2016 : 5:21AM

pat362 wrote:
I'm going to pose the following question. Is it possible that the white room, white wall and bright lighting is simply an extension of modern gonzo porn that has reduced most sex scenes to what is essentially an advance class in sexual organs and their interaction with each other?
I mean your standard gonzo porn scene is basically a female that will either be semi-naked or already naked with one or more male with penises that are already erect penetrating her mouth, vagina or ass(depending on type of scene or director) within a few minutes of the beginning of the scene and where most of the shots are close ups of the penetration to the exclusion of any other view. Is it any wonder that porn producer want the rooms to look more like examination rooms than anything else.
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I guess they shoot em like that because it's clear and clean-looking--no ugly furniture, slipcovers, colors, nothing to distract you. And the bodies and skin tones show up good against the pure white background. It makes a difference, but then the completely white setup is too much. The sex in these scenes I noticed tends towards the mechanical even though it's good hard fucking and good-looking models, and I'm sure a lot of them are really horny. The whole thing is really stylized, but it somehow takes away from the heat factor.

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draghixafan
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Posted - Oct 12 2016 : 12:45AM

^ & ^^
I think some of it eg. LP through this has attained the zenith, the complete and true realisation of gonzo porn..
No distractions - background, clothing/costumes, setup/story
3 holes - for big dicks to mechanically penetrate

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johnnyscorpio
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Posted - Oct 12 2016 : 8:59AM

u find the LP scenes real hot and can get your rocks off to them real good--A grade material?

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draghixafan
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Posted - Oct 17 2016 : 12:07AM

^ Nah, let me just say I'm not a fan :)

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draghixafan
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Posted - Oct 17 2016 : 12:14AM

Recently reminded when my hatred for this was spawned..
MilkingTable.com
I love their sexy mesh/fishnet outfits and looking really sexy, I love milking table vids in the same way I like gloryhole vids that the focus is entirely on the girl with only the stuntcock, literally, and no HMA (Hairy Man Ass)..
but that was the problem, there was no sex or anything else so the entire focus and what the girls were to do was two things 1. stroke/suck the cock and 2. get cum on by said cock, and therein lies the issue, when the room is white the floor is white and its in front of a white light window in the daytime, the cumshot becomes completely invisible and often even after it magically appeared on the girl with all that white it was barely visible.
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Posted - Nov 17 2016 : 7:50AM

It's very un-cool, this. It brings no joy. I thought I'd check out my wishlist. Clearify things. Ending up in this Box of this thread instead. First delete was to be Teens in Tight Jeans featuring Gina Valntina and some very hot chicks. But some Things have gone VERY wrong since the early days of Vince Voyeur back in 2006, it used to joyful DVDs.
1. These are not teens for the most part. Selling lies do not come as a good thing. Voyeur was 100 % trustworthy. Best crapcutter in porn ever IMO.
2. Mick Blue cuts off jeans. What's the deal here? It's an estetique downer with failing guarantee. Bonerwise I have big trouble just going there. I'm not some cannibal, nor some raw butcher, having to sabotage expensive clothing too eat flesh in some fastest way, having to cut off jeans. This gives me nothing. I repeat NOTHING.
3. I have bought seven volumes of Teens in tight Jeans. I did not go fully wrong never. But I don't buy one again. Now it's white rooms 100% of the time. Are we human, or are we brainwashed. I don't know. This is inbetween somewhere. And not joyful at all.
Mick Blue may not have Voyeur's budget, but he could have the house. Some painting. Strart using it. And don't do things worse by destroying 200 dollar jeans. So nihilistic that I'm out.

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Posted - Nov 17 2016 : 8:50PM

^ I've never bought any of these, but after a quick look at 7 and early ones 2 & 3, though the jeans are cut in 7 at least they are still on, because the early ones 2 & 3 the jeans are quickly stripped off, my biggest peeve, when the fetish is in the intro only then gone completely in the actual scene and replaced with yet another naked couch facial scene? Pity he doesn't cut just a fuck hole so as much of the jeans are on as possible??
And unfortunately it seems we are all powerless to stop it!
The joy draining scourge poisoning all adult content across the universe!!
White fucking rooms.. with white fucking couches... and white fucking cinematography!!!

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Posted - Feb 21 2017 : 5:16AM

still shits me!
loses contrast curve highlighting
less intimate/sleazy, less porn feel (for this guy)
cloaks the cumshot

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Posted - Feb 25 2017 : 10:39PM

Anywhere WITHOUT white walls.

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Posted - Feb 26 2017 : 8:12PM

White on white definitely NOT the way to go. It screws up the lighting and makes the scene boring. Better to change things up a bit, add some different visual elements to the background, some relief.

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