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kingofbutts
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 11:03AM
Question in psychology: How to make a pervert?

In psychology you must assimilate all about sexuals such as perversion.

who can answer that question?

Topic Moved by - scipio on Sep 23 2006

absynth
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 11:15AM
I'm really not following what you are asking?

Are you asking for a psychological diagnosis of what components create a "pervert?"

kingofbutts
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 11:18AM
noooo
im asking about
how to change a normal person to a pervert person?
absynth
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 11:23AM
Well, for starters, "normal" is all in perception.

Are you asking how to get a person to develope a taste for kinkier sex?

If that's the case, communication is key.

kingofbutts
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 11:30AM
ill write again:

the question:

How - by psychology - we can change someone to be pervert?
How to make someone who hates sadism to love that kind of perversion?
How to make a woman who hates lesbian acts to love doing sex with girls?
How to make a woman who hates wearing naked clothes, how to let her like wearing tight or naker clothes?
All that by psychology

 
Alexander Portnoy
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 11:40AM
Pervert is a pejorative term, a loaded word that most professional psychologists would not use to explain human behavior. It is value-laden term moralizing term that someone like a preacher may use, but such words have no place in the human sciences.

So go ask a preacher or a Rabbi or an Iman and you might just get the answer you're looking for.

absynth
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 11:43AM
Hmmm...


The only way that I know of to change a person's psychological makeup is through force and longterm abuse.

Anything against a person's will should be considered immoral.

If a woman is deadset against doing certain things sexually or behaving in a particular way, that is her right and should be respected as such.

Like I said, communication is the key.

If you are with a girl who you want to expose to new things, talk about them with her, but most importantly, listen to her responses.

That she gives the impression that she "hates" certain things makes it VERY unlikely that you will change her.
She obviously has her own very good reasons for feeling so adamantly.

Alexander Portnoy
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 11:58AM
This is a question about power establishing dominance over another human being. Essentially you're trying to get someone to act against their own self-interest. There are two ways to this--physical coercion through actual violence or the threat thereof or use persuasion to get your target to give up his/her power.

But I'm with absynth, both forms of coercion are morally rephrensible

kingofbutts
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 2:47PM
why im asking this questions?
one of the reasons is... my friend is married to a very wonderful woman, she is so beautiful, her body is so graceful... in spite of that she is very closed, she hates wearing tight cloths, she hates showing her skin, but my friend like his wife to wear tight jeans, low rise pants, and bikinis. his wife is always refusing, and he is about to be madness. his only wish in his life to see his wife wearing like those kind of cloths in the public.
how - by psychology - to change his wife's thinking?
Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 5:30PM
That hardly seems worth going mad over. She's not a trophy to be displayed, after all.
jolly
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 5:41PM
The answer you're looking for lies in a book called "Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion" by Robert Cialdini. It discusses six fundamental principles that you can employ to exploit an unwary victim to your advantage; however, do note that if the victim has an intense or unmalleable attitude towards a certain behavior (ie, wearing tight cloth), the ramifications of using these principles are almost always unpleasant. For instance, she may temporarily go along with what your friend asks her to do due to subtle mental manipulations, but as soon as your friend is no longer around, she'll most likely feel used and cheated.

I would suggest having your friend concentrate his reading on the principles of social proof, liking, and consistency. Also, be advised that since your friend has already exposed himself of his intentions, it'll be even more challenging to change his wife's frame of mind. Most likely, he'll have to use a combination of several techniques from different principles as well as immersing her in an environment/culture where it is not only acceptable to dress in a sexual way, but it is encouraged as well. Keep in mind that the success rate depends on subtlety, delivery methods, consistency, and adaptability to situations.

absynth
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 6:55PM
or he could just lock her in a windowless room, beat her, and hold her food/water/bathroom privileges hostage to his attempts at behavior modification...

Here's a thought... how about an open conversation between husband and wife, no false pretenses or ulterior motives?

Seriously, quacks who write that kind of pseudo intellectual babble should have very bad things done to them....

Asmodeus
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 7:05PM
One person's perversion is another's pleasure.
imak
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 8:10PM
i would strongly suggest he abandon this. something has made her uncomfortable with that type of attention, and if he pushes it he will most likely lose her or fuck her head up
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Posted - Sep 22 2006 : 11:58PM
You don't change other people's thinking. If he wanted a woman who would do these things for him, he should have thought about that before he married someone who was totally closed to it.

While it may be possible to coerce someone into doing what you want them to do, it isn't something I would recommend even trying.

 
Hardware All-Star Supporter
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Posted - Sep 23 2006 : 1:13AM
Like I said, it sounds to me like the husband has more of a problem than the wife does.

Perhaps the wife was told by her mother that showing herself off is bad. Perhaps the wife was an ugly duckling when she was younger and people made fun of her. Whatever the case, the fact that she's uncomfortable with the subject means that any attempt to focus on it is just going to make her recall the reason she's uncomfortable. That is counter-productive.

If the husband wants to pursue this, I would suggest he abandon the subject of wearing tight outfits in public and spend his time telling his wife, and showing his wife, that she's a beautiful woman.

Depending on how well they get along, he may be able to introduce sexy clothing into the bedroom as part of sex play. This would be a good way for his wife to be daring in private, and another opportunity to praise her good looks.

However, there's no prescription here that doesn't boil down to know thy wife. If he puts the focus on her wants and needs, he may find that his reward is a happy, confident wife who enjoys wearing sexy clothes in public for his pleasure.

nickdel
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Posted - Sep 23 2006 : 3:36AM
Couple of things...

- kingofbutts, where are you from? I'm just curious cuz you type with an accent. If your native language is not English, I think everyone should disregard the use of the words pervert/perversion. Clearly a language barrier. (Of course, if English is your first tongue, you may wish to check out The Elements of Style by William Strunk, Jr.)

-psychological manipulation is, more often than not, enforced through negative stimulus. However, it very much can be consensual.

Consider a person brought up believing that being left-handed was not only wrong, but a sign of possession by the devil, and, further, that he/she wholeheartedly and unquestioningly believes this assertion. He/she would then be open to just about anything designed to make him/her right-handed, including physical and/or emotional pain.

People with phobias often pay their doctors to help (cure?) them, and many are treated with exposure therapies. They voluntarily put themselves in situations where their phobia is tested. Heights is met with step-stools, ladders, elevators. Snakes is met with ... well, snakes. Etc.

- kingofbutts, my personal suggestion agrees with the others already mentioned. Communication! They need to talk.

Where I disagree with some others here is what they need to discuss. If this woman has a severe mental or emotional block/issue, discussing it with her husband - a man who seems to understand very little of the human psyche - will do little good. What they need to discuss first is whether or not the woman sees her reluctance to express herself sexually as a problem. If she doesn't, all conversations need to stop right there. You cannot convince someone to change if they don't see anything wrong.

If she isn't ok with her sexual expression, then the discussion between her and her husband needs to be about where they are going to look for help. (This needs to be professional help, in person, not advice from a forum.)

And for God's sake, tell your friend not to force anything on this poor woman. These decisions need to come from her and from her alone. Yes, she may want to change to please him, but if she isn't pleasing herself, the chage won't take, and resentment will grow.

pornstar547894789
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Posted - Sep 23 2006 : 4:11AM
I wish I was :)
kingofbutts
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Posted - Sep 23 2006 : 9:43AM
thanks all... and now...
what is the steps - in detail - to change her to nudity woman?
please answering in 1, 2, 3, 4.....
other question: In psychology, does he can satisfacte her - after changing to nudity - also by psychology ways to be a pornstar?

thanks all for the interest.

nickdel
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Posted - Sep 23 2006 : 3:02PM
This is ridiculous, you're completely ignoring everything everyone is saying.
MissJanet
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Posted - Sep 24 2006 : 5:21AM
Awww, that is so sad. Good people gave thoughtful, good advice and it is all wasted on someone I'm tempted to call a pervert.
the unknown pervert
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Posted - Sep 24 2006 : 5:38PM
Don't insult me, the word you are looking for is dipshit not pervert.
Endless Loop
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Posted - Sep 25 2006 : 3:24AM
You might inform your friend to be careful what he wishes for.
Attractive wives of relative modest grace, either compelled, or suddenly motivated to adorn themselves in tight clothes, skimpy outfits, and sport cheese around for all to see, often become the lure of new prospective mice.

Edited by - Endless Loop on 9/25/2006 3:43:18 AM

MissJanet
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Posted - Sep 27 2006 : 2:30PM
Dang, I'm sorry, I didn't mean you, or any other selfrespecting pervert. Dipshit is the word.
Pagoda
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Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 4:30PM
kingofbutts: Give up. Forget it. It's impossible. You can't do it. Face reality. Never mention it again, to anyone. Stop asking.
 
Eric381
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Posted - Oct 2 2006 : 11:44PM
Easy answer is..."dont try to change ANYONE", let them be themselves!!
Then again, as this thread progresses, I can see some resemblance in a friend's spouse. When he met her (online), she was quite 'open' with her sexuality. These days, she's a bible thumper that essentially limits his sex life @ home, and furthermore mandates that the poor SOB doesn't watch porn, etc...because her religion says it's immoral. He still loves her, but just wishes she was the same girl he met 7 years ago, not the prude she became in recent years, thereby trapping him in a marriage he sometimes regrets.

That said, what Random says about "thinking more about that before he married her" is easier said than done. His wife showed a side that appealed to him early on, but somewhere in the relationship (I know not exactly), she went all Jesus-freak on him. Their home is decorated with various religious signs/items, much to his dismay. And furthermore, it's how she is raising their child.

I agree with Hardware, do the honest thing, tell her she's beautiful and make her feel it (but dammit, MEAN IT!!)...so much perhaps that she's finally comfortable showing some of it off, if that is indeed the case.

Edited by - Eric381 on 10/2/2006 11:56:08 PM

pornvalleyprincess
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Posted - Oct 3 2006 : 12:48PM
hahahah i got this one master... may i answer?
ok - i was a conservative, missinary girl- didnt like the taste of a cock. When i was married at 21, i think TOPS i gave him 5 BJS and never ever to completion. Now i love to suck cock... never get enough... love to fuck my man ans weve even done 3 somes... I think with the right man who lets you explore your sexual side, allows you to open up and dosent make you feel bad about likeing nasty things allows women to be able to be kinkier. bring toys into the bedroom, let her know its OK to feel pleasure. Many wonen are embarassed to verbalize their pleasure, to make noise. Sex isnt taboo when its between 2-3 consenting adults. hahahah..talk about your likes and dislikes and explore eachothers bodies, fantasies. she will open up and trust me... you will be happy with the results.

I was afraid to feel pleasure. we are taught to be proper young ladies. make her feel HOT- lingerie, the admiration of men.. make her feel sexy and she will open up.
or-- ((evil grin))
ship her to Canada and master & I will train her, we'll send her back in 1 piece ;) i promise!!




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