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Meridian
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Posted - Feb 1 2002 : 8:22PM
Interesting article here, and another one here.

The first one’s a doozy. I swear I don’t go around looking for this stuff….

GaySatyr
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Posted - Feb 1 2002 : 9:06PM
Incest is often a theme in gay porn. However much that reflects the real world, I do not know; however, at least the consequences of incest are not offspring in the gay world.

From real life, I do know of two pairs and one trio of brothers who regularly have sex together. In addition, I know two pairs of gay twins - one pair often share lovers but NEVER as a couple and the other pair share lovers ALWAYS as a couple. I have no idea how this reflects into the general population and I know very little about the sex lives of most of my friends - I've always thought of these as anomalies.

My own first sexual experience was with a second cousin (male and older) but although I was willing (and in truth, eager) for the relationship to continue, he was not. (I'm not sure where in the realm of incest second cousins stand but I think I am safe.) I can't say what might have been different in my life had it continued. BTW, I do not have a brother (and thus will never know what might have happened) and I was NEVER sexually attracted to my three-year younger sister.

~ GaySatyr

Edited by - GaySatyr on Feb 1 2002

-lunacy-
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Posted - Feb 2 2002 : 8:20PM
Well it's certainly an intrieging subject, heavily taboo yes, but intersting none the less.

Being an only child I have often wondered at the closeness of siblings and how and where the line of affection is drawn.

Honestly, although my opinion is likely to be unpopular, I believe incest has become more of a knee jerk taboo than anything founded on reason.

As pointed out in the first article, the original taboo came about from the birth defects in offspring from such relationships, in today's day and age that does not have to be a concern.

I'd be interested to hear from other forum members that have siblings to see what their thoughts are.

spetz
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Posted - Feb 2 2002 : 9:12PM
Incest is more common than most people think. I don't
mean the forced incest and child-abuse, but the sexual
relationship between brothers and sisters, or fathers
and daughters etc.

The reasons why people decide to cross that barrier are
various. Some brothers and sisters who really have close
ties, can, when they get very close and exchange a kiss
get sexually aroused. The sex however is merely a way of
showing mutual affection. In many cases "love" is the main
reason. First a platonic love affair which can easily turn
into more.

Not sure if the information is correct but most incest
activity seems to take place when the boys and girls are
between 15 and 18 years of age. The age in which the body
develops and the hormones go crazy. Though I never had any
incest contacts nor know anyone who has I too find the idea
very exciting. Not too long ago I have seen a French movie
with an incest relationship. Though acted, just the idea
made me really hot. The boy and girl were cousins and they
had their first sexual experience together.

Unfortunately "incest" has a very negative name. In the
media it is always about child-porn and abuse by family-
members. The human mind is a strang thing and I can imagine
that some brothers and sisters fall in love with each other
and when they are sexually interested in each others body
...these things happen.

To the law it's a criminal offence.
To the public it's inmoral...

To me...it's only the love between people who are closely
related!

Spetz

Edited by - spetz on Feb 2 2002

wendy divine
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Posted - Feb 3 2002 : 8:33PM
Well, I don't have any siblings.. but, have known of someone that has had sex with their cousins...
I do have tons of cousins.. but, never met them til I was in my mid 20's. By that time I was pretty happy with what I had.. .
Either way, I think that brother sister incest is really hot.. I don't know why but, it turns me on... Maybe it's because I always wanted someone to be close to when I was younger.. but, never had that. Who knows.. I just think it's interesting. I can't say I feel the same about the Father daughter stuff.. but, everyone has an opinion. I guess as far as the cousins go .. that would be neat too. But, those are things I'll never even come close to attempting. I don't associate with any family members at all. No big deal... I can always play act...
Just adding my two cents worth.
bottom line.. if I ever had a brother that was really hot.. who knows.. maybe I would have tried it..
 
Steve K.
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Posted - Feb 5 2002 : 5:04PM
I am with ya there Wendy...if I had a hot sis I would totally f*ck her brains out if she was into it. Incest is very cool & interesting.
scipio
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Posted - Feb 6 2002 : 10:54AM
Depends what you're calling Incest as well, in some places, it's accepted for cousins to be married. I always thought of it as immediate family (parents/siblings)..

My uncle, my father's brother from Calabria in southern Italy's wife is also his cousin. I can't say I know them very well, but they're there.

scipio

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scipio
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Posted - Feb 6 2002 : 11:10AM
Having just read the two articles.. all I can say is..

erm.. hmm..


...

RedIguana
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Posted - Feb 6 2002 : 1:27PM
I'm in scipio's camp.

However, I do have a thing for twins, which would be sister-sister incest...

imahiker
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Posted - Feb 6 2002 : 1:46PM
I had a thing for one of my cousins when I was a teen and still a virgin, but as soon as I lost my cherry that went away. I think she was just someone that I was really familiar with and so it was easier for me to imagine me boning her.

I've seen a few websites with incest stuff and other than the immediate, "wow big time taboo, must check that out." thrill I found them lacking.

LongDuckDong
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Posted - Feb 13 2002 : 7:28PM
I think parents with adult offspring, even consentually, is a bit much but between siblings...I grew up with 2 brothers and being exclusively hetero, I was never tempted. But I've sometimes wondered what it would have been like to grow up with a genuinely hot and sexy sister. I came close to asking friends with sex kitten sisters, back in the day, what is was like to have such a hot babe living with them. I knew one guy who used to eye his sister like crazy when she was cheerleading but I never asked him about it either. Hormones make no distinction when it comes to triggering horniness and I know I and everyone around me were just as horny as jackrabbits back in high school, though girls are much more reserved and subtle about it. Cousins were a constant topic of conversation and no one I knew was particularly bashful about discussing how hot this or that cousin was. I have no problem at all believing sibling and cousin sexual playing goes on a lot more than is reported, possibly out of convenience more than anything.

BTW, there's a volume of Randy West's Real Female Masturbation series with a pair of girls who are supposed to be either sisters or cousins...sisters I think. I've watched the scene a few times and I believe they are related because of some striking physical similarities. They masturbate side by side on a bed and while they don't really touch much it's pretty clear that masturbating together is a big turn-on for them and as comfortable as they are about it I would guess they've done more together. They're both quite hot.

No more yankee my wankee!!

Edited by - LongDuckDong on Feb 13 2002

Edited by - LongDuckDong on Feb 13 2002

JimGunn
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Posted - Feb 13 2002 : 8:52PM

Fascinating thread, so far. I know Lesbian Cheerleader Squad #2's release is still imminent but I just thought that I would give you guys the heads up on something interesting that I have in post-production right now. My editor is currently working on LCS#3 which includes two interesting scenes. There's one scene with two sexy sisters in cheerleader outfits having sex with a third girl as well as another with two young first cousins who share a female friend from the squad. Of course, the related girls in each scene cannot really 'interact' with each other in the retail version of the movie. I only wish that I could include all the footage in the "Director's Cut" on the DVD! :-)

Jim Gunn

mikehunt
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Posted - Feb 16 2002 : 1:58PM
I learned in my anthropology classes in college that the incest taboo is the only one that's been found in every culture. The extent of it may differ but it is there in every group of humans as far back as that sort of thing is recorded in history
parent/child pretty much freaks me out
and sibling can be messed up, but if I had had a hot sister while in high school, I probably would have checked her out
Meridian
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Posted - Feb 20 2002 : 8:01AM
Hmmm. Jim, you’re such a tease. Sexy sisters sure sound special. But as imahiker noted the thrill of forbidden fruit is often better than the taste. Wendy (and Steve) love the thought of a theoretical gorgeous sibling, but not at all a pretty parent (I’m taking a wild guess here Steve, feel free to correct me if I’ve got it wrong) because they actually have one of those. Similarly I’d say that 99% of people with actual sisters / brothers have zero sexual attraction to them. No matter how cute they are.

On a related note it’s been recently revealed that the father of 41 y.o. Australian actress Greta Scaachis 3 year old son is her first cousin.

“.... however shocked they were, no-one was as shocked as I was, no-one was as scandalised as me," said Scaachi.

JimGunn
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Posted - Feb 20 2002 : 4:08PM
Meridian:

Just to be clear unlike some others in this thread I do not have any incest fantasies about my own family, especially considering that I do not even have a sister. And parent/child incest is sickening to me as I imagine it is for most people. But two young sisters playing around for my amusement is very sexy indeed. I was lucky enough to get two hot sisters to participate in a three-way scene with another girl in "Lesbian Cheerleader Squad #3" as well as two barely legal first cousins (who could easily pass for sisters) having a sapphic menage-a-trois with another girl in the same movie. I love it!

 
French guy
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Posted - Feb 20 2002 : 7:11PM
OK Jim so it's not okay if it is a father/daughter or mom/son relationship but it's ok with siblings ????
JimGunn
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Posted - Feb 20 2002 : 9:09PM

FrenchGuy asked: "OK Jim so it's not okay if it is a father/daughter or mom/son relationship but it's ok with siblings ????"

I don't know what you mean to imply by the use of the word "ok". All I was saying that two sexy sisters appearing together or better yet, getting it on with each other, is a major turn on for me. That is why I have filmed sisters and cousins in the same movie or scene more than once and have plans to do it again soon. Think about the many Playboy issues over the years with various photo sets of twins in suggestive poses (the Bentleys and others) or even triplets (the Dahms) plus the DVDs they have released like "Twins & Sisters Too" and you'll get an idea of how popular the titillation thru images of two or more sexy, similar-looking sisters in photos or video shoots actually is. I fancy myself quite an an expert on this topic, and I maintain a nice collection on my hard drive of photos and videos of sexy sisters from various sources including a few of my own creation.

If you want to count that as an endorsement of some very narrow and specific form of incest, then be my guest. I just think it makes intriguing whack material, I'm not looking to shape social policy. As for my personal feelings about incest, I think that all other forms of incest other than sister/sister tittilation are disturbing, not to mention unerotic. I would certainly never fantasize about incest with my own family in real life nor would I be be interested in filming other types of incest for a movie.

Jim Gunn
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Posted - Feb 20 2002 : 10:38PM
It's just from your post I understood that the sisters were really doing each other in your video so why is it questionable when it is a dad/daughter relationship (implying they are consenting adults) but not if it is between siblings ?

What about the Taboo serie which was a huge hit in the US ?

JimGunn
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Posted - Feb 21 2002 : 3:05AM
FrenchGuy said: "It's just from your post I understood that the sisters were really doing each other in your video so why is it questionable when it is a dad/daughter relationship (implying they are consenting adults) but not if it is between siblings ? What about the Taboo serie which was a huge hit in the US ?"

Ok Frenchguy, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that maybe English is not your first language, but you keep asking me the same type of question in different ways and you keep not understanding my answer. I am not speaking as an advocate for any position on the legality or legitamicy of various types of incest in this thread, I'm just chiming in with my own personal opinion about sexy sisters appearing together on video or in naked photos. I couldn't care less about what anyone does in their private life as long as they aren't hurting anyone else and especially aren't bothering me either. If a grown woman or man wants to have sex with their adult child, or an adult brother and sister want to do it then more power to them. I'm just not going to be personally interested in filming them or watching the video either.

I guess I find sisters apearing together naked and/or getting it on together appealing because it is a tittilating novelty, and an extension of my interest in lesbianism in general- an interest I have made an adut movie making career out of. I wouldn't be all that interested in a father/daughter relationship or a brother/sister scene beacause there would be a male in the scene, not to mention I find it kind of creepy for an adult male to be that interested in his own female family members whom he ought to have a little more respect for if you ask me. Nor would I be all that interested in a mother/son relationship for the simple fact that I rarely film any females old enough to have an adult child over 18 years of age.

Two sexy young sisters though, in my opinion that is another story because well, let's face it, one is not going to impregnate the other, and even if I am lucky enough to get them to eat each other out, it's likely just for exhibitionistic thrills, for the camera and/or for cash, not a serious lifestyle choice on their part. So for all those reasons, I think that it is different. Oh, and as far as the old Taboo movies early in the life of the series, yes those did have an incest "theme", in other words, incest was part of the made up plot. Made up plots are not that interesting to me at all.

In any case, the best I can do in the wholesale release of "Lesbian Cheerleader Squad #3" is to have the sisters on screen at the same time sharing a third girl, but not actually doing each other since I suppose it could be considered "obscene" and my distributor would never take a chance carrying it. The footage where the sisters ride the double dildo together will, of course, remain on my privately archived "Directors Cut" :-)

Jim Gunn
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Posted - Feb 21 2002 : 7:14PM
Well lucky you Jim :-)

I purchased on of your barely legal lesbian flick a while ago. Though the girls are pretty, you can feel that it was too "staged" like they weren't really into each other. Do u direct the scenes or you just let the girls do whatever and you just shot then it's with the editing that you keep the parts that you feel it is worth showing ?

JimGunn
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Posted - Feb 21 2002 : 8:07PM

"I purchased on of your barely legal lesbian flick a while ago. Though the girls are pretty, you can feel that it was too "staged" like they weren't really into each other. Do u direct the scenes or you just let the girls do whatever and you just shot then it's with the editing that you keep the parts that you feel it is worth showing?"


Of course any scene is going to be staged to some extent, but I do try to make it as comfortable as possible for the models, especially in the cases where they may be "going all the way" with another girl for the first time. So, on some scenes in a movie like "Lesbian Teenyboppers" for example, if it looks like the girls are a bit nervous or acting a little hesitant about how to act or what to do with another girl's body, that is largely attributable to the fact that in a good portion of those scenes the models had never really eaten pussy in their real life, nor had they had much experience being naked on camera.

To me that is part of the thrill, filming newcummers as they break new sexual territory. I do try to give them an broad outline for what might look good, if they really have stage fright like I might give them a litle direction upfront and say "Sit on the bed and start with some kissing and petting, then touch each other's breasts and then move on to full nudity and that will lead to one of you going down on the other and fingering and then we'll take it from there...". I could hire professional porn stars with more experience who have been with many girls in real life and on film and who would do a more 'polished' scene, but it's not all that interesting to me unless there is some reality behind the title and theme. And once in a while when I get a gem of a scene where they really get into it it makes it all worth while.

Jim Gunn
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-lunacy-
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Posted - Feb 21 2002 : 9:38PM
I hadn't given it thought in specifics really, but since Jim mentioned that I find myself in agreement.

It just seems more..."acceptable" somehow. I suppose because a parent has a responsibility to well, parent. And in a sibling situation I can see that as more of a mutual decesion rather that there being room for any inappropriate nurturing.

lindi
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Posted - Nov 4 2002 : 11:34AM
When I was in college, I had a friend who was attracted to his sister and vice versa. He was a friend, not a boyfriend to me (though we had slept together), but when his sister was around, it was almost like I wasn't even there. They only had eyes for each other. They would kiss and fall asleep in each other's arms in his top bunk, while I slept in the bottom one. He said they had done "everything but", and I asked why not do it. He said he didn't want to risk ruining things. Several guys asked her to her high school prom, but she asked him to take her.

It didn't seem like any kind of a problem, but years later I ran into him at an estate sale with his very attractive pubescent daughter, and I hoped that he had some proper mental barriers there.

Yumi
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Posted - Nov 6 2002 : 12:56AM
I find brother-sister incest romantic and sometimes erotic. I have a twelve-year old brother whom I can imagine to be a pretty attractive guy when he's older. But...the thought of the two of us doing something not very wholesome (taboo) in my opinion doesn't quite turn me on. Even if he grows up to be the man of my dreams, I don't think I'll ever "cross the line" with him. I do love him, but, y'know, it's a sisterly kinda love.

It's a bit complicated with my father, though. Yes, I think father-daughter incest is...erm... I can't find words to describe how much even the thought of it makes me shudder. I used to have disturbing images of my father sexually molesting me. I couldn't control them; they just appeared all by themselves. I was horrified and disgusted, and I wanted to get rid of them. I did see a therapist about it. All I can say now is it turns out that those images were "more likely" the result of witnessing my parents have violent quarrels and then have sex afterwards, not to mention having a violent fight with my father myself just last year...which was "coincidentally" the same time those "pictures" started appearing. That and a few other things caused it. Anyway, I'm better now and those images are gone, which is what's important.

I hope I'm not too out of topic here. And I hope I'm not freaking anybody out. I just wanted to share that and I think this is one of the few places where I can talk about things like this.

Kimi Lixx
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Posted - Nov 6 2002 : 1:00AM
Speaking from the training lectures I went through when I volunteered for the Rape Crisis Center, as well as the Human Sexuality class I took for a psych credit in college, the going theory (rationalization?) for the incest taboo is inequality in the family power structure. Obviously a parent has far more power than their offspring, and between older and younger, or gender bias, or favored child, there tends to be unequal power structures between siblings as well. According to the RCC anytime there is inequality in the power dynamic when there is sexual activity, it could be considered coercion, and therefore - rape.
Personally, I think that if you can't find anyone besides your family to have sex with, you need help. If you can't trust, feel secure, form bonds of intimacy, or socialize appropriately enough to find a partner outside of your family, there's something seriously wrong.
All that being said, if a person, as an adult, decides that an adult family member turns them on, and said family member is a consenting partner, who am I to tell them no? It's hard enough to find someone you care about in this world, why limit your options.
 
Asmodeus
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Posted - Nov 6 2002 : 2:24AM
When I was around five years old, a slightly older first cousin would mess around with me and she always instigated that "playful" activity but I certainly didn't mind it at the time and it probably contributed to me being sexualized at a very early age - which is why I'm so over-sexed now. Also when I was younger, my sister and I would sometimes engage in sexual play but it never went beyond mutual touching and caressing. We used to run around naked while growing up but I never really looked at her in an overtly sexual way - afterall, she is my own flesh and blood...

Edited by - Asmodeus on 11/6/2002 2:49:22 AM




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