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| Jaktarn Senior Member  4798 Posts 5/05 |  Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 6:46PMWhy do a majority of the porncompanys (realitykings, muffia, bangbros and brazzers for example)that produce for the web still release their scenes in fullframe 4:3 framing? Almost everyone watches the scenes on widescreen TV:s or their laptops that are very seldom in that format. I think its also strange that so few of them dont release their scenes in ast least 720p resolution which works great on computers or high definition tv:s connected to computers.  [Link] |
| AWMDB AWMDB.com Webmaster Tracking performer appearances on adult websites across the globe 127 Posts 2/08 | Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 7:09PM More annoying than releasing scenes in that format are the scenes that are poorly encoded even when the resolution and bitrate is quite high and some of the bigger name companies are guiltier than the smaller/independant ones for this. Edited by - awmdb on 4/19/2009 7:11:16 PM  [Link] |
| Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 7:12PM [Link] |
| wraithlead Member 264 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Apr 19 2009 : 11:50PM Same reason that last i checked a lot of sites still come out with a smaller file version in low res...not just 'not hd'...i'm talkin like some 45mb realmedia file at a resolution to small for today's mp3 players. Because as odd as it seems to those of us who spend a lot of time on the internet, there are still people without high speed internet... i guess tech-starved people have needs too. edit: and i just thought of something else...don't know if it makes sense. widescreen laptops have the same up and down pixels, the screen is just wider. showing a reg size movie on that just gives you bars on the side. showing a widescreen movie on a reg size screen you'd have to lose resolution. widescreen = 1200 x 768 so showing something at 1024 x 768 is no issue. regular sized = 1024 x 768, so to show a widescreen image you'd have to shrink it a little, causing a lower quality picture. so we can show normal vids easier than they can show widescreen. Edited by - wraithlead on 4/19/2009 11:59:06 PM [Link] |
Jacco  All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 3:53PM Wraithlead has a good point, not everybody has the newest and latest equipment. Those who have are overrepresented on messageboards like this. The average Joe Consumer has average equipment, usually a few years old. Jacco [Link] |
| just_me Member 133 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 7:56PM The only thing that really pisses me off are websites that put out videos in the wrong aspect ratio. Most common is 4:3 encoded at 72 hex 480, or a 1.5:1 aspect ratio. New Sensations takes 1.77:1 videos and wrongly encodes them at 1.85:1. Last site I joined meant to encode 4:3 content at 72 hex 480 so they put black bars on the two sides... except they then encoded it at 64 hex 480 - in the end it is 1.33:1 content viewed at 1.185:1. Confusing and irritating. At least the .wmv file format supports custom aspect ratios so I can correct them. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 7:59PM I don't know much about any of this stuff, but after reading the last two posts I got curious so I checked what the resolution is on my laptop (Dell Inspiron, maybe 3 yrs old). It says I have it set to max resolution, 1440 x 900. What does that mean in terms of HD or whatever? When people talk about 1080p and stuff like that, are they referring to the same type of thing, or something different? I'm only asking out of curiosity, since I'm not in a financial position to be buying a new computer or TV right now. Thanks for any help y'all can give me. [Link] |
| Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 8:20PM The Resident Gamer/ComicNerd [Link] |
| wraithlead Member 264 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Apr 20 2009 : 11:55PM to k.b. the best i could say is google something like the following words "720p" "1080i" "difference" and you'll pull up some tech writeups aimed directly at newbs. that's what i had to do. I'm no expert, but i'll see if i can't think it through... for laptops, the biggest thing to check is the max resolution. i have a dell lattitude, 14" screen widescreen. i am also on 1440 x 900...so i bet you and i have the same stuff, just mine is from the business line. you have a widescreen, and it's going to be high res...as to how it translates to tvs, that's more complicated. edit here: to make an example...all dells have a sort of evolution through the years...the widescreens of today...the previous models were all standard width...but for the lattitude i had at the time, you could get the base 1024 x 768, or the more expensive graphics card, and it would jump to somewhere in the range of 1200 x 900... so even though both came with the same size screen, the one had more pixels, so was a much better picture. that's the difference between 720 and 1080...the difference between the 'i' and the 'p' is something else... HD stuff is similar to that...but it also has to do with your video card, etc. it's also got to do with the diff between plasma and LCD... this is where i get to laugh at myself for overthinking and making smoke come from my ears... check here...Clicky teh linky from what i know, only on tv's bigger than, say, 50" will the most picture-sensitive people be able to tell the diff between 720p and 1080i, and even then only with a full blu-ray dvd, dvd player, HDMI cables, etc... but again...i'm no expert...no videophile or audiophile...the stuff i know is just cause i was bored one day... Edited by - wraithlead on 4/21/2009 12:02:10 AM Edited by - wraithlead on 4/21/2009 12:03:56 AM [Link] |
| Dread Senior Member Latex and boobs 5085 Posts 3/07 | Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 1:41AM @KB, your monitor can support 720p video files since the 720 in that stands for number of vertical pixel lines. your max monitor resolution has 900 lines. The p (and letter i when they talk of 1080i) just stands for how moving video is processed The Resident Gamer/ComicNerd [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 2:28AM edit: a bunch of the articles about 1080i vs 1080p that I found when I initially searched were from '05, '07, etc. But this one is from March 2009, so likely pretty up-to-date. Edited by - killbillvol69 on 4/21/2009 2:34:36 AM [Link] |
| wraithlead Member 264 Posts 12/08 | Posted - Apr 21 2009 : 4:17AM @ KB, I'm glad you found what you were looking for...lol, like i said, i would have given more info...but i just did my online checking for bargain basement stuff with all the black friday sales over the past couple years... and as for your search...i'm glad you found a few places to look for info...and just so you know...with a lot of the sales going on, you can get a really good flatscreen monitor, and use your same laptop, but with a port expander to grab extra outputs if you needed to. so having a bigger monitor for the computer you already have isn't impossible... man...wow...just wow...i just re-read my post. Maybe i should skip the porn forums, and just go for the ellipsis dot fan club...sorry. Edited by - wraithlead on 4/21/2009 4:18:29 AM [Link] |
| just_me Member 133 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Apr 22 2009 : 4:17AM 1080i is 192 hex 1080 1080p is 192 hex 1080 These are the defined standards. A video file on a computer can be just about any resolution you define, and can be recorded anamorphicly (like how ntsc resolution 72 hex 480i, while physically 1.5:1, can contain either 1.33:1, 16:9, or 2.25:1 video). There is a debate between whether 720p or 1080i results in a better image, as they contain roughly equal amounts of data. 720p is generally better for fast motion, 1080i is better for slow motion. 1080p is always best as long as you have sufficient bandwidth, why cable & satellite stations are usually 1080i while Blu-ray is usually 1080p. The difference between "i" and "p" is how much of the frame is encoded. "P"rogressive encodes everything, the full 192 hex 1080 frame. "I"nterlaced encodes half the frame and throws out the other half. In 1080i, each frame is physically reduced to 192 hex 560. The first frame contains all the odd numbered vertical lines, the next frame contains the even numbered vertical lines, and so forth. If you play back a dvd (almost all are 480i) on a computer and your computer software contains a poor deinterlacing method, you will easily see that with each successive frame only half the picture moves at a time. 720p LCD screens are usually manufactured at 128 hex 768 primarily to be more compatible with computer standards. The incoming video is still 128 hex 720 and the lcd screen uses what's called "overscan" and you do not have 1:1 pixel mapping. In other words, the screen is stretching the image, and the video is actually expanded beyond the physical dimensions of the screen. The incoming signal may be 128 hex 720, but what you *really* see is that 128 hex 720 video cropped to about 120 hex 700 then stretched to 128 hex 768. Lots of numbers. Just skip over the details and enjoy the HD video. [Link] |
| killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18634 Posts 4/08 | Posted - Apr 22 2009 : 2:27PM Most of the articles I've read over the past two or three days about this stuff focus on who should buy 1080p vs who will be fine with 1080i or 720p. That's useful knowledge of course, but I'm a numbers kinda guy, so even though I'm a newb, I was still interested in some of the actual technological differences. The info you've provided (and the earlier help from Wraith and dread) are all the kind of thing I was looking for. What do the numbers mean? Now I feel that while I'm still a newb, I do have a basic yet sound understanding of what's going on in these different standards of HD.  OK back to porn then. What does one suppose might be the difference in price of production for a company releasing their scenes in 16:9 versus 4:3? Or 720p vs 1080i vs 1080P? etc? Because I imagine that while some companies might do it for artistic reasons or something, the majority would make these decisions based on cost of encoding, storing data, etc vs how much they perceive the higher resolutions to be needed. [Link] |
| just_me Member 133 Posts 4/09 | Posted - Apr 23 2009 : 5:50PM So I'd say most porn producers frame their video to what they believe the majority of their audience has for a computer monitor or tv screen. Bandwidth is cheap, so resolution and bit-rate is just a trade-off between what most people are willing to wait for a download. Personally I'll take the highest quality possible, even if it takes a while to download. I once had a subscription to a site that had 1080p video, and for a typical scene was 2gb, on my connection was an 8 hour download! [Link] |
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| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - Apr 23 2009 : 8:29PM [Link] |
| Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05 | Posted - Apr 28 2009 : 1:53PM [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - Apr 28 2009 : 4:38PM [Link] |
| Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05 | Posted - May 2 2009 : 7:30PM [Link] |
| just_me Member 133 Posts 4/09 | Posted - May 3 2009 : 3:30PM The trend is unmistakable, cheap content is *huge*, and the sites that strive for high-quality are those who are struggling for subscribers. :( Realitykings, muffia, bangbros, brazzers put out cheap low resolution videos because that is what sells. You can see other sites when they upgraded to 720p, for some reason their site ranks, page views, visits often nosedive. [Link] |
| Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05 | Posted - May 3 2009 : 5:33PM I think bangbros and brazzers stuff would look great in 720p the pricing must also be lower when offering these hd clips. My predjudice about these sites are that they probably overprice their sites with the argument that hd is better. However, with todays technology that shouldn't mean its more expensive. [Link] |
| just_me Member 133 Posts 4/09 | Posted - May 3 2009 : 6:43PM For these two sites to pull upwards of 100k paying subscribers away from other websites, it eats away at everyone else, and the other sites focusing on quality doesn't seem to be having much of a significant impact. Of course I could be completely wrong in my analysis, I welcome anyone else's opinions on the subject. Edited by - just_me on 5/5/2009 2:15:28 PM [Link] |
| Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05 | Posted - May 3 2009 : 7:09PM [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - May 3 2009 : 9:44PM [Link] |
| Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05 | Posted - May 4 2009 : 3:24AM [Link] |
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| Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - May 4 2009 : 6:49AM Jacco [Link] |
| mariemadison Member 57 Posts 2/04 | Posted - May 4 2009 : 7:30AM Most digital camcorders, including lower priced consumer camera's are capable of shooting Anamorphic Widescreen. In 2003, I was shooting with a Sony Digital 8 Handicam that shot in Anamorphic Widescreen. The Panasonic DVX100, a very, VERY popular SD (standard definition) camera, as well as the Canon XL1 and GL1 both are capable of shooting in Anamorphic Widescreen, and porn guys have been shooting on those camera's since they first came out. Shooting in 4:3, or 'Full Screen' hasn't been the only option for web producers since the late 90's. - Marie [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - May 4 2009 : 10:57AM [Link] |
| mariemadison Member 57 Posts 2/04 | Posted - May 4 2009 : 11:08PM :-) - Marie [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - May 4 2009 : 11:44PM [Link] |
| wraithlead Member 264 Posts 12/08 | Posted - May 5 2009 : 1:51AM The thing i'm thinking is about how integrated your computer is to your life. The difference between porn and mainstream computer things. if you go to a 'forum about porn', on some level that means you are using your computer as a source for information, where if you go to a 'site selling porn', you're using your computer as a source for porn. that puts it in an entirely different class. things for porn are always treated differently. think of the difference between someone who uses a cell phone for having a flat tire, versus someone who uses a cell phone for the free nights and weekends. which one would own a touchscreen blackberry, and which would use an old motorola flip? it's not the relative importance, or the cost of what you do, it's just a different way of thinking about it. or think of the other stuff you do for porn, or well, at least i do. blockbuster has much better selection for mainstream movies, but before the computer, i relied on some small store with a big back room for porn. who spent more for their tvs, the one with a good home theater setup for the matrix and terminator 2, or the guy who rents porn from the back room? much like when i was watching old vhs stuff stashed under my bed, and why i don't own $200 headphones for my jazz, as long as i like what i'm watching, it's not gonna make me spend money on a nicer thing to watch it on. but gamers, nerds, and people with business-based tech needs have no choice. [Link] |
| shalalin Senior Member 1734 Posts 11/07 | Posted - May 7 2009 : 3:17PM Watching significant amounts of web porn might still have required a bit of technological sophistication five or six years ago, but not these days. [Link] |
| HustlerTV Member 22 Posts 8/08 | Posted - May 7 2009 : 5:06PM [Link] |
| Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05 | Posted - May 7 2009 : 5:24PM In Sweden hardly anyone has computer screens that are full frame anymore. I dont know how it is in the rest of the world. I can understand that internet companies might think their customers think it takes to long to download 720p updates but they could at least release their updates that are in Standard Defintion in 16:9 format. For instance inthevip would really benefit from the wider screen at the party sequences. [Link] |
| Mike Quasar Zero Tolerance Reluctant pornographer 1765 Posts 7/01 | Posted - May 7 2009 : 7:02PM [Link] |
| Jaktarn Senior Member 4798 Posts 5/05 | Posted - May 7 2009 : 7:34PM Fuckedhard18 = 64 hex 480 Edited by - jaktarn on 5/7/2009 7:43:15 PM [Link] |
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