There are clearly those that frown upon it and believes that it'll cost them business i.e. Digital Playground who has a clear 'No Blacks' policy. I applaud all of those performers who won't be hindered by a lot of this industries mindset and a lot of the time, they are a better performer for it.
I see Inari Vachs upcoming, and look forward to it. Been too long. Wouldn't mind seeing Friday back too...if she's still performing. Don't be ashamed or afraid of trying for true star power either. You might be surprised who answers sometimes. WC is still considered a top flight company....I believe.
Not true. While they certainly don't shoot a large amount of scenes with black performers, off the top of my head I can think of a scene Tori Black did with a black male in a flick about 3 years ago, Stoya shot a scene with Mr Marcus (not sure if that flick's been released yet but you can read about it in her thread here at ADT), and a black male/white female flick shot by Robby D (is that his name?).
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bluv18 Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 15 2011 : 4:22PM
Zami it would be great to these lovely ladies in some WCP movies in the future. Jaylene Rio seems like she is ready for some interracial. [ invalid url ] seems to be willing considering she did give Mr. Marcus some head in a orgy movie.
^ My point was not that they have a massive amount of scenes with black performers. My point was that it can't be true that they have a "no blacks policy" if they have used a black performer before. Have they done so often? No, not at all. But if someone says "no blacks", it means zero, not one or two. The only reason I posted what I did is because I didn't want a rumour to start here at ADT that DP has a strict policy of never ever hiring a black person. Because even if it seems like that sometimes (or even almost all the time), it's not true.
Jessica Bangkok has done a very serious amount of "black interracial" over her career in porn. Jessica Bangkok is a fabulous and top performer and always gives a wonderful performance so I would not mind at all to get more awesome interracial scenes from Jessica Bangkok.
Yeah, I believe WCP can compete with any company out there, as they've proven in the past.
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fletchlivestwopointoh Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 20 2011 : 11:36PM
Your "point" was to jump on a hyperbolic statement to come to defense of a company that makes boring movies. Maybe it's your opinion they're not, but holding IR scenes for years, trying to buy them up before they get released, and ALMOST (phew, dodged a bullet there) never using black performers sure makes it look like they do regardless of what you believe. If you're so worried about their image, maybe you should contact them and tell them their own actions are making them look bad.
I don't believe that I have either said or implied anything that disagrees with your characterization of Digital Playground. On a personal level, I find their movies painfully boring - both the 'plots' as well as the sex scenes. Further, I find it quite unlikely that they do not bear some prejudice (either conscious or unconscious) against black performers, both male and female, given the incredibly rare casting of such in their movies. But my opinion being what it is - or yours, or the other poster's - does not prove that they have an official policy to never ever ever cast a black performer. And I don't want ADT to be the place where a rumour gets started that they do have such a policy. I like that what is said here is challenged if it cannot be proven. And I want that to continue to be the case. I wasn't coming to the defense of DP. I was coming to the defense of ADT.
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Posted - Jul 26 2011 : 3:02PM
George check out the two ladies below because they recently have performed in interracial scenes. Jewels Jade [ invalid url ]
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fletchlivestwopointoh Deactivated User
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Posted - Jul 29 2011 : 12:45AM
That's okay, everybody else already knows it's true. Feel free to protect your bottom line at the expense of your integrity, it's just porn after all.
^ OK now I don't even know what you're talking about. 1. what does everyone else already know to be true? I said many things. What are you referring to? 2. "bottom line"? How does money have anything to do with this? Do you think that I work for DP? Or for ADT? I don't work for either. Or anything else to do with the porn biz. Sorry if I gave the impression that I do. 3. "just porn"? I say many things, but one of the things I never say here at ADT in regards to racial issues (or anything else for that matter) is that it's 'just porn', and therefore political arguments et al shouldn't enter into discussions. I firmly believe there is indeed a place to discuss such things, and have done so on many, many occasions in my 9000 or so posts. I'm not sure why you think I'm one of the people who dismisses porn as something not worth caring about, or not worth considering in a larger context, or whatever it is you're implying.
Why the anger? Someone said they had a "no blacks" policy and Killbill merely and correctly pointed out that they've shot scenes with black performers in the past and even had an IR movie. Add another scene to that list because Sasha Grey shot a scene with Ethan Hunt. No, they don't shoot a lot of black performers. There's nothing wrong with that. Perhaps their audience didn't respond well to the ones they shot. Porn and the porn companies have niche audiences that works for them and they cater to. WCP production uses mostly black guys and I personally don't want them to start using more white guys just because some fans think it's unfair or see it as a race thing. Some companies only shoot lesbian porn, some only shoot BBW porn, some only shoot big breasts, some only "barely legal", etc., etc... If the DIGITAL PLAYGROUND audience doesn't respond well to having black performers in them that's just fine. Let them have their no blacks company. Just as WCP hardly ever uses white guys. I'm black and don't care if a company doesn't usually shoot with black performers bcause there's plenty other companies taking up the slack. There's more than enough porn out there so that all porn doesn't have to cater everyone. I don't want white guys in my WCP movies, I don't want small breasts in my BRAZZERS movies, I don't want "vanilla" sex in my EVIL ANGEL movies, I don't want a line-up of unknown girls in my ELEGANT ANGEL movies, I don't want BBW performers in my JULES JORDAN movies, etc....So, just as I don't want certain things in movies from certain companies, I think it's only fair to let DIGITAL PLAYGROUND and their audience be able to have what makes them happy also.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Jul 31 2011 : 10:40AM
Wow! Can you name a few, let alone plenty? I suppose you are maintianing what you sincerely believe to be a healthy mental outlook.
Vivid, Wicked, Elegant Angel, DP, Brazzers, Lethal, Jules Jordan, 3rd Degree, Zero Tolerance, Digital Sin almost always do not shoot black female performers.
Elegant Angel only shoots black females when it is done by LT. Elegant Angel typically has one token black lady which they will otherwise occasionally shoot. Nyomi Banxxx replaced Jada Fire, but apparently Elegant is done shooting Nyomi Banxxx and sees no urgency in replacing her.
3rd Degree and Zero Tolerance use Black Ice to feature black females.
Jules Jordan Video only shoots black females when it is done by Alexander Devoe.
Vivid and Wicked will, maybe once a year, have a release featuring black females. Other than these exceptions, more than 98% of all scenes released on DVD by the most prominent studios are black female free. Which means that for every 10 or more gonzo flicks with 5 scenes, there is only one scene that includes a black female.
So basicly, occasionally the major studios accomodate a taste for black women as a fetish. Which might be validated by consumer behavior.
It seems that I could make a very similar point about Asian female performers. Both Black females and Asian females seemed to be more popular in porn for a while, what happened?
No. It's actually sensible healthy outlook backed by the understanding that those companies put out product that sells and works best for their audience not what you or I or some people on a messageboard think they should be doing.Not exactly true but I was mostly talking about black performers on the whole ie: both men and women. Yes, black women in general have a much tougher time in the porn biz but that has more to do with audience demands than porn companies just being evil and trying to keep them down. If black women were a more profitable entity we'd see more companies shooting more black women. I'm sure each company has numbers to back up what type of sales movies with black women bring in. The fact that the ones you mention don't do them that often speaks for itself. But if you or anyone else really wants to see black women there are companies that shoot them. So just because the companies you mention may not shoot them often or in some cases at all that doesn't mean there aren't companies out there supplying the needs of the fans who want black women porn. I'm not even sure if more black female performers did work at those companies if their fans would follow them over. I personally have no interest in VIVID, WICKED and some other companies even if they had black women or even my fav pornstars.I would imagine ELEGANT hired L.T. to service that particular audience and it doesn't do anyone much good if there's a lot of overlapping. Nyomi and Jada both appeared in a lot of ELEGANT stuff. At some point it can get to be too much. L.T. still features black performers. Perhaps the other ELEGANT directors liked and used Jada and Nyomi because they were great performers and race wasn't a factor. Perhaps there's no black female perormer quota the ELEGANT directors feel the need to maintain.So how much exactly is enough? I still maintain if the demand was there we'd see more of that product. As it stands now if I want movies with black women I can find it. No, it isn't as plentiful as movies with white females but that only makes sense. Black people in America are a minority. Meaning there aren't as many as white people. I'd have to imgine that the vast majority of people who watch porn are white simply because there are so many more white people than black. It would seem that not even all of that percentage of black consumers even supports black female porn in a major way. The number of white and other minorities that support black female porn isn't enough to make black women a stronger selling product. If there was such a strong demand for black women in porn and the needs weren't being met L.T., BLACK MARKET, CANDY SHOP, WCP, BLACK ICE, MERCENARY, etc., etc... would be huge sellers when they did all black women movies and they'd actually do more stuff with black women only instead of actually doing more IR stuff.Pretty much. Sorry.The porn business is suffering and everything sells considerably less? More and more performers are leaving the biz?
I apologize to everyone for helping to take this thread off track with a discussion that's been done to death many times over. Please carry on with what was being discussed before. Thank you.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Jul 31 2011 : 6:33PM
That is surely one fake apology. We understand your fixation with Black men and White women and your disinterest in Black women. Elegant Angel is overkill in its overlapping of the same white females, but you only argue that even the smallest amount of black female shoots is enough. BTW, Nyomi Banxxx has only two shoots with Elegant Angel that are not with LT, but you are too busy focusing on black men. Take pride in your ability to assimilate.
Most importantly, I acknowledged that consumer behavior may be somewhat supportive of the level of black female shoots, so the absence of supporting evidence remains. In other industries, there is actually plenty of evidence available which demonstrates that the black choice will be denied even though companies have overwhelming data that it does sell well. But, you are a well trained boy and why disengage your system of survival, called denial, if you can not cope? Just substitute a fixation for black on white porn for reality.
Interracial Black Topics is the title of the thread. I will support my interest in WCP shooting Black females as much as possible, in addition to Asian and White females as I have posted. You may continue to support your interest in Black men, but please refrain from attacking the interests of others in Black women.
Wow, really? Do you have a crystal ball that shows you what porn I buy/watch, who I date, and who I'm friends with? Perhaps you should take it in for repairs because it's sending you bad info.I never said "overkill" I said "overlap". I never said there was "enough" from any company I just pointed out that there may not be an audience for black females at certain companies and there are companies that service the need for people who want to see black women. I'm a big fan of Nyomi and don't worry about who she's shooting with or how many times. If ELEGANT thinks they've shot her enough that's their choice. I've watched Nyomi perform for many companies my only concern is whether I think it's a good scene.LOL! That's a good one. Really, is it a mind reading hat or crystal ball that feeding you this info on me? Is your info always so far off?What attack? I just stated things the way I see them. I never said WCP shouldn't shoot black women. In fact as much as you don't want to believe it I'm a fan of their black women titles. I'm fan of their stuff in general. Black women come up short in many areas of the media and entertainment. From tv to movies to magazines to comics to fashion to porn. It's unfortunate but in a world that's fuelled by sales that's how it works out. It's not simply a black woman issue because all minority women are affected. Just becase I understand why that is and don't try and point the blame at everyone else doesn't mean I think it's fair. Life isn't fair. I do my part by buying the titles with black women I like. I'm sure you think ranting how evil the companies are who don't shoot as many black women as you like is helping but I don't see how. It all comes down to dollars and cents. Sales/money is what influences those companies the most.
Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08
Posted - Jul 31 2011 : 9:01PM
You accept that blindly as you are trained to do. You understanding nothing that we all have not already heard, but are merely quacking back what the porn industry has said. I guess you are trying to make yourself believe it by repeating it and claiming it as your own understanding. No available data regarding the porn industry supports that. Available data from other industries indicates that companies go against their own data which supports the black choice selling well, yet refuse to offer the black choice even though these companies know it is profitable. Given what is known to have happened in other industries, combined with the absence of available data in the porn industry, we have no reason to assume the porn industry's excuse is true. The only apologist you are, is the porn industry apologist. Good boy. BTW, no black female porn star agrees with you.
Parts of what you say may be true Draxx, but porn also has a history of assuming things that aren't necessarily true, and certainly weren't proven. It was assumed that Interracial Porn, whether scenes or films, couldn't sell years ago. I heard every argument and justification imaginable. I think that assumption has been proven untrue by now. Even if Black-Themed Porn or porn with black people in them doesn't sell as well, I still think it has a right to exist, and most certainly respect those that buck-the-system regardless.
Sure. And when it started getting made the audience supported it, the sales were there and it grew because of the demand. On the other hand, porn with black females gets made and from what I can see the demand isn't strong enough for the supply to rise much above what it is now. Yes, there's an audience but not for all companies to feel a need to jump on the bandwagon or for a more steady supply of it. It's unfortunate but it's the way it goes and the same could be said for lesbian porn, BBW porn, Bondage, etc., etc... There are just things that don't sell as strongly as others.Black female porn has every right to exist and it does. Just not in the quanties some people may want it to. And if a person wants there to be more of it that's great. It would be a good thing if there was more. I'm just saying I understand why there isn't more. I'm also saying that if certain companies started making it that doesn't mean an automatic sale from me. Personal preference. I know not everyone shares my preferences. Of course the black female performers feel differently and rightfully so. Generally speaking I don't feel every company needs to try and suit everyone because it dilutes the brand. Let everyone do what their particular audience responses to. I really like that WCP, BLACK MARKET, BLACK ICE, CANDY SHOP, JUSTIN SLAYER, ALEXANDER DEVOE, etc.., has black males and often features black females. Are those companies enough? For me they are. I'm more than okay with it if others don't feel the same. I'm a fan of those companies and don't really want to see any white guys in their stuff. I can see plenty of that from plenty of other places. So if I feel that way about white males in stuff from those companies wouldn't it be incredibly hypocritical for me to not to respect the people who don't want to see any blacks in movies from companies they like? I don't want to a see a particular race of person from certain companies so how can I say it's wrong for others to feel the same way about whatever type of person they don't want to see. My opinion. Nothing against white males or white women because I have plenty of stuff with them in it but there are times I only want to see people of my race on screen. Just as there are times I only want to see bubble butts or big breasts or MILFs, etc...
Well it may be enough for you, but it's not nearly enough for me. Even if I could take out the economics and opportunities aside, which I can't, I'm simply a much more diverse kind of cat then that. Most of the companies you mentioned, I know and like. Still I want and expect much more from a little bit of every company. I simply don't agree with the idea that blacks should be excluded because they "may" sell a few less copies simply because they have the audacity to show themselves in a less than all-black production. Not every black performer simply wants to stay-with-their-kind either, hard as that may be to believe for some.
Digital Playground's upcoming (9/20) "Bad Girls 6" features one of their contract girls doing IR. I'm not really into it, so I won't be buying, but I'm sure if it's a moneymaker DP will film more. So maybe now's the time for you to take action and vote with your wallets instead of simply kvetching on a forum (an armed with a not-wholly-comprehensible thesis). Edited by - Sraddha on 8/3/2011 2:25:03 PM
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