I've been wondering about this after seeing all the discussions about it here. Let me start by saying I'm a white guy. My preferences are incredibly varied, and change from time to time. For example, I am mostly just into white girls, but I occasionally go through a phase where I watch Asian chicks for a while and sometimes see a black or latina girl that I think is hot as hell. And I like a variety of sexual interests, and sometimes change from one to another. In regards to IR, this usually refers only to black men on white women, so thats what we'll focus on here. Personally, alot of times I like to see white guys banging white chicks. But sometimes I like to see black guys with white women. And probably the majority of the time I don't give a shit what color the man is, because my focus is on the woman. Now I'm not really sure why I occasionally like to see some black guys gangbang a white girl, or something like that. But there seem to be alot of people who are very very into IR. If you're a black guy who likes white girls, then I guess that makes some sense. Maybe race shouldn't matter? Or maybe it should? Just like I generally prefer white women sexually, and there is nothing racist about that as it is my personal choice/preference... But I'm wondering why a white man would specifically choose to be a fan, primarily, of IR porn. And any other reasons why anyone would single this genre out as something they enjoy. I'm just curious what the reasoning is behind it.
Because as you mentioned some white guys like white girls and woman is at their focus.. So they want to see her used, abused, fucked to the fullest..Being fucked to the fullest, includes even black guys. There are some white girls who do everything but IR, so this makes a taboo, at the end as you are aware taboo's make things more appealing.. Edited by - Xanderian on 5/15/2011 7:09:38 AM
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Posted - May 15 2011 : 5:30AM
That phrase is problematic. Likes and dislikes aren't really based on reasoning. But I'll try to weigh in with some 'reasoning'. If a chick doesn't do IR, then I think some fans view her as a little reserved. From a certain pov, doing nothing but vanilla, no matter how nasty the girls is, borders on being softcore. For instance, I have found in my research of filmographies that girls who really prefer girls, or are close to preferring girls (judging by the volume of 'lez only' in the filmography) have the greatest tendency not to do IR. There is something about IR that is in a way more 'hetero' than vanilla. For a girl that prefers girls, maybe it's a little too hetero. So the appeal may be that it is viewed as having a more extreme heterosexual vibe.
Hmm. So it sounds like one point both of you are hitting on is that the fact that some girls are hesitant to do it, somehow makes it dirtier? Or at least more edgy or even taboo? Interesting. Thinking about those points, I think that could be a part of the reason that I do like watching it on occasion.
^ I don't know that the issue is IR being dirtier so much as it is sold as being more aggressive - the whole 'big black dicks destroying little white chicks' schtick. I can imagine that many female performers don't really want to be destroyed, thank you very much.
Yeah, I knew "dirtier" probably was the wrong choice of words. I'm just not sure how to phrase it because I'm not even sure why I occasionally get in the mood to specifically watch IR.
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Posted - May 15 2011 : 9:16AM
I'm into oral, and for me IR pairings are preferred for practical reasons. Evidence of a good juicy blowjob makes itself clear on black rather than white cock. Shine, saliva, & cum on black cock just pops more on film than white cock. Edited by - Oral Connoisseur the 1st on 5/15/2011 5:34:48 PM
Oral, I couldn't agree more. It just happens that a huge black cock serves as the perfect contrast to a woman's cum. There are fewer things that turn me on more than to see a woman's pussy cream all over a black cock.
I'm not IR fetished but I often watch at it , I don't care about the male usually unless he's a poor performer or has a dick smaller than mine. An IR shot usually makes the penetration more clear due to the contrast , same thing on reverse part with a black female and a white male especially when you have a solid female performer paired with decent guys I enjoyed very much any IR scene i saw with Monique or Midori and now Marie Luv or Misty Stone. But actually I can't understand those who not only would pick up IR DVDs only but also can't accept the fact that someone including some performers don't like it
And yet it's no more aggressive & really there's no difference between IR and Non-IR porn. If anything there's less choking, spitting, slapping and hard anal pounding. But I suppose perception is reality and I've read quite a few posts from people who seem to think there's something horrific or degrading going on in IR porn when really the only difference is the colour of the male.
I'm a black guy. For me first and foremost it's about the girl. I don't watch porn for the guy no matter what color. However, because I'm black I'd prefer the guy in the scene be black. But it's not vital to the scene that he be black. It all goes back to the girl. I'd rather see a hot girl have sex with a white guy than a not hot or average looking white girl have sex with a black guy. With some girls who do lots of IR scenes I tend to pick the ones where they're with a black guy when I have a choice. But...if it comes down to choosing between what I consider an "average" sex scene between between a fav girl and a black guy or a really hot scene with a white (or black) girl and a white performer the hotter white on white scene wins. Examples: I like watching Kelly Divine. I prefer to see her with a black performer. If I had to choose between a BLACK MARKET IR Kelly scene and an average RED LIGHT DISTRICT white guy Kelly scene. The BM scene wins. If I had to choose between that same BM scene and a JULES JORDAN Kelly and white guy scene, JJ wins because I think the JJ scene will be the hottest. If that same JJ scene went up against a WEST COAST PRODUCTION Kelly IR scene, the WCP would probably win even if it's not quite as good as the JJ scene because I prefer seeing a black guy if I think the scenes are about equal in hotness. Seeing a white girl who never did IR before can be interesting but seeing some girls do IR don't seem to hold my interest. Example: I was excited to hear Sienna West finally doing IR but after seing her do it twice I've lost interest and don't care if I see her do it again. On the other hand, I can't get enough of seeing Taylor do IR even though she probably isn't as good looking as Sienna. I love seeing Lisa Ann or Francesca Le do IR but could care less about Eva Angelina or Asa Akira doing it. That's not to say I don't enjoy watching Eva or Asa but with me them doing IR doesn't seem any more "special" than doing a white guy. But...I'd still rather see them with black guys if all things were equal...but girls like Lisa Ann and Francesca Le make me go out of my way to them do IR and Eva and Asa don't.
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Posted - May 16 2011 : 10:15PM
Also remember that IR doesn't necessarily have to be IR themed. If one of the dicks in "Ten Man Cum Slam" is black and the chick is white, then its still IR and its just as IR as anything else. Any scenario that makes a black man just another male performer (instead of it all being about the fact that he's black) is still considered IR but it just isn't focused on the race aspect. It seems like back in the old days they could come closer to painting scenarios even in one-on-one IR scenes where race wasn't as much of a part of the dynamic. Edited by - ControlFreak on 5/16/2011 10:17:00 PM Edited by - ControlFreak on 5/16/2011 10:18:00 PM
That might explain why gradually I got bored with straight up vanilla porn. Having switched to primarily interracial content, just from an aesthetic standpoint, I find it much more fulfilling.
After rereading ControlFreak's post again when it was quoted just now, I have to say I completely disagree. IR is more hetero? I just don't see that at all.
Maybe it follows the caricature of masculinity being darker and femininity being lighter? Look at Egyptian and Minoan frescoes for example: dark/reddish males, white/yellowish females. I dunno ... He also said it isn't based on reasoning.
Just so there's no confusion, I don't see coloring as necessarily masculine or feminine. That would be much too simplistic. And I assure you, I love me some dark skinned babes. Maybe it's a synergy to interracial I can't quite put into words, or colors for that matter. All I know is some of my best flicks are interracial ...
furthermore if a girl for whatever reason doesn't like to do IR but is forced by circumstances(need of money/fear to be labeled racist to do it usually the result is not a good scene , I can't understand why some want to see girls doing something they don't like and their discomfort is apparent in the scene , leave them alone. as for girls hot doing IR I must add Trinity Post she not only looked gorgeous but also very much into the scene
Who actually wants that? That's a scenario where she probably wasn't all that great to begin with. Personally, I'm not into begging girls to fuck black guys on film. But I do take issue with people using porno to drag out their lame ass fears and resentments. I'm not a guy who needs pornstars for validation. I just like to watch'em do what they do, maybe build a shrine for'em here and there, and the rest is tissues and hand sanitizer. BTW, Trinity Post was hot toddy. Edited by - nutty_buddy on 5/17/2011 1:10:58 PM
Conversely if a girl for doesn't have a problem doing IR she too should be not be coerced not to by poor advice or racist fans, which seems to be just as if not more common. I can't understand why some have such a problem with this, leave them alone.
Not me, I'm saying that because I happened to read on this board some members almost trolling any star who doesn't do IR, some of them even escaped from here. I was only pointing out that to push them , to troll them , to despise them is a way to force them to do that , but even if some star eventually decide do put an end to this and do some IR scenes what kind of scene would it be? A poor scene for sure is she's doing something she don't like at all , so what's the point? It is only selfish for those who troll them , they want to see some star they like or even any star existing to do IR for their own enjoyment no matter whatOf course, this is a given ,any girl should be free to do whatever she likes and avoid whatever she does not. The same should be applied for those that won't do anal o gang bangs
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Posted - May 17 2011 : 2:02PM
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A poor scene for sure is she's doing something she don't like at all , so what's the point? It is only selfish for those who troll them , they want to see some star they like or even any star existing to do IR for their own enjoyment no matter what
Not at all this is more on BDSM zone if someone wants a girl who is doing sex not enjoying it at all and even if she also doesn't like it at all , not to mention if she's been forced to do that by pressure and not by free choice. I see that more on the rape side I saw lots of IR but I can't for any reason see a girl forced in any way a girl kissing his lover is way more exciting than that
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Posted - May 17 2011 : 2:19PM
To you maybe. Nothing more boring than kissing. Forced IR is hot.
I disagree at the higher level, any forced sex is a very powerful turn off for me , is as attractive as having a car accident crashing onto a wall I think that watching at forced IR is actually not the IR itself you like but a girl trashed and you think that a girl trashed by black guys is even worse than any other scenario More than that you actually don't want a willing actress acting that way but many want girls who truly don't like that to do that so being actually exploited and forced , as said before very much close to a rape Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 5/17/2011 2:48:38 PM
While this is where the industry meets the consumer, porn goes a bit beyond this website. And if you concede more often than not they're coerced into not performing with black guys, wouldn't that negate the premise of your argument? You seem curiously lenient in that respect. I find that problematic. There's been countless instances where a girl whose clearly down is bombarded with pretty vitriolic messages, emails, etc., or dissuaded altogether by whatever family member or industry troll. Of course a lot of them are naive enough to believe it will ruin their careers and reputations and blah blah blah. Most of the time she's not doing what she wants to do (big shout out to my burqa bitches). Some even, as result, fancy themselves "classy" - so somebody definitely needs to nip that shit in the bud. I guess here there's just a bit of parallax dude, 'cause, frankly, I don't view fucking Mr.Marcus as something like anal or gangbangs.
It's a matter of free will plain and simple , do a pornstar have the right to exercise that or should she must do anything their masters/porn consumers want from her? Not even a horse could be forced like that there's plenty of associations ready to stop you promptly, but apparently no one would give a shit to grant at least the right of free choices to female pornstar and this is apparent because no one ever ask to male performers etero or gay why they don't do IR
None of these girls are forced to work with Black men, if anything they're explicitly told not to work with Black men by their agents when they enter the business. As for them being criticized for deliberate racial discrimination in who they work with, it's the logical result of their behavior and should come as no surprise. Edited by - Solar4 on 5/17/2011 3:55:54 PM
Can't say that I've ever really singled it out. For me, porn starts with the women, director/studio, then the guy usually. Its not really tough to find though. About the only true appeal I have is the skin contrasts. I love contrasts in many ways actually, but something about it is quite beautiful.
Which means they MUST do IR or anyone will give them what they deserve and this is a pressure ,thus this put to the point they're actually forced. the actual point here is that they are workers and any worker has the right to do only what he or she want to do for whatever reason even the wrong reason ,not even a soldier must obey to any order he's given , but a female pornstar can't refuse if she makes choices then she's labeled as racist.They fuck to make a living they have a value to sell , there are clubs and other places where they hire only those who don't do IR , why they should throw all that money? The won't do porn forever but their career outside of porn will last much more than that, then again why they should ruin their business value? It's all business and any worker has the right to protect his value and his incomes also there are many issues of sexism here , not one male performer here has ever been asked whether he does or not IR , I bet you don't even know who doesn't do , the most part of those attacking female performers (remember that performers not slaves)as racist actually attack them because as females must do anything they're requested to do , not one of you has any interest about how many female black performers won't do IR with white or Latin males is there anyone who knows? is there anyone who just begun to notice that? And what aboput Lesbians performers or Gay performers is there someone giving a fuck on who perform with who? There's isn't any , racism is only an excuse , a flawed one , it is a matter of rights , the right to refuse or to accept a work for whatever reason plain and simple Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 5/17/2011 4:56:51 PM
Completely agree. Racism has nothing to do with who someone chooses to fuck or not fuck. Furthermore, I did not start this topic for this same old racism in porn debate. I was just curious what the different reasons are that IR appeals to different viewers. I'd like to see this get back on track. It was a very interesting discussion before the racism argument thats always plays out here got started.
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Posted - May 17 2011 : 7:54PM
From what I've seen, this is a misnomer. It's not that much more money. And 3 vanilla scenes will earn more than 2 IR in any case, unless its a big star. But money isn't as much of an issue to begin with if it's a big star. And you'll be hard pressed to find any girl who does a large proportion of IR. 'IR girls' typically do 85% vanilla or more.
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Posted - May 17 2011 : 8:13PM
"Masters"? You do realize black women in porn don't get a choice? They can't stay in the biz if they make the parallel choice. That's not to say other people shouldn't get a choice either, but I'm just sayin'... And far as being called a racist-- Blame the Euros. It's the lack of hangups that European girls seem to have that makes everybody point and stare at American white girls.
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Posted - May 17 2011 : 8:28PM
With regards to this, one of my favorite IR scenes ever was was Micki Lynn and Santino Lee in Caught From Behind #21 because it seemed to be all about attraction and not about race. Edited by - ControlFreak on 5/17/2011 8:29:37 PM
I think it would be interesting to see the guys who clearly have a fetish for IR admit it. I can understand black guys being into it (at least to a certain extent). I can understand white guys not minding it or being indifferent about it. I can even understand the white guys who don't like it. But it's funny and interesting (before it becomes annoying) to read comments from the guys who clearly have a strong kink for it and spend so much time worrying about which girls aren't doing it. There's clearly something going on there. I just wonder if it's a "girl being rashished/violated by a black guy" thing. Or "girl being punished by a black guy" thing. Or "this dirty girl likes black guys" thing or whatever. Yes, I know some guys like it and there's no agenda but I'm talking about the guys who are really into IR and that's all they mostly want to watch. I'm not even judging you. You like what you like. But it would be interesting to hear from the guys who are really in IR and watch little else.
^ See? I find that type of honsety much more interesting than some guy who's got an IR fetish and claims to only care about the girl not not doing black guys because he cares about racial harmony.
I was wondering why it appeals to different people. Mainly why it appeals to white guys. Because I wonder why there are white guys who have a fetish for it. And I also want to wonder why I myself get in the mood to watch it occasionally, because frankly I don't even know.
Well I've read several posts here over the years about Rocco doing IR so that's not entirely true but you're right no one really cares about male performers 'preferences'.I do & it doesn't exist as far as I've seen. It appears 100% of Black women on any agency's books all do IR. In fact I've only ever heard of a black woman refusing to do other black men.There are no real consequences for saying I don't do IR. You may get labelled racist but that's not a big deal. it doesn't seem to have an adverse affect on your career, I mean you can come out and say my fans expect better and that's OK. Apparently the big deal according to you (& others) is doing IR which "ruins their business value" and even though that doesn't seem to be true anymore its still accepted.
No one can take away their rights it's a silly point really but you cannot make a public decision like that and not expect some criticism. Cause if it's OK for fans, agents, friends and family to tell you not to do IR and its OK for clubs not to hire because you did a scene with a black person (which is just so fucked up) then somewhere in all that why isn't it also OK for there to be opposing voices. Edited by - Anadin on 5/17/2011 9:49:26 PM
i like to imagine i am fucking the chick so if its a black dude fucking her it doesnt work for me at all i like all different types of chicks, white, asian, black, latino and from thin the bbw but i only watch scenes with white guys
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Posted - May 17 2011 : 9:57PM
Interesting. I'm black and I can watch white-on-white and still imagine fucking the chick. But of course, since I was a kid I've watched white-on-white (there was little else back in the day anyways) so its second nature to me.
Posted - May 15 2011 : 4:54AM
