I think alot more guys and girls like hearing "suck my dick, bitch" than you may realize. :) Again much worse stuff happens in porn all the time. Dirty talk with a little name calling is tame by comparison. I agree that gangsta rap is more misogynist than other forms of music but when it comes to adult entertainment that attitude is common place everywhere. Which makes you realize the misogyny found in gangster rap is just an honest reflection of what men of all races want to say and do to women in the shadows. Yes romancing a women you love has universal importance but in the bedroom we mostly want to call our lover/girlfriend/wife a bitch/slut/whore and demand she suck our dicks and take hard dick in the ass. Most guys want to dominate a woman that way. Not just black thugs.
As I said before...to each his/her own I guess. If this is what bothers you it's what bothers you. For me, in a business where women get slapped, choked, head dumped in toilets, spit on, have men put their foot on their heads while they bang them, lick semen off the floor, gag, etc., something like being called a "bitch" or being told to "Eat that big black dick" seems pretty tame in comparison. I'm not saying it's a nice thing to do but on the list of "Crap women have to go through in porn" the things you name would be probably wouldn't be that high on the list.I'll add to that and say Kelly Divine also complained here about working for Brian Pumper and like Kristina I remember her complaints and it had very little if anything to do with Brian being "gangsta" and was all about him just being stupid and not knowing what he was doing and lacking class and much common sense. From what I keep hearing about Brian P. is he's just not a bright guy. Whether he was a rapper/gangsta or on the Glee Club I think the end results would be the same. Perhaps I'm missing something with Nat Turnher but it's always appeared to me that the girls he worked with liked him were really into him. I've never gotten the impression that they were put off by him in any way. Of course I haven't seen eveything he's done but what I have seen during performance and behind the scenes the girls I've seen had a good time with him. With Wesley, maybe girls are put off by him but I haven't seen evidence of that either way. From what I've seen Wesley isn't the type to chill or cuddle with the girls after the scene is shot so it's harder for me to get a read on him from the girls.
I think it's a case of forbidden fruit being more desirable and more sweet. For a long time in USA, black men were forbidden from having sexual relations with white women. And this forbidding was much more strictly enforced than white men having sex with black women. Even now, many people frown on such interracial relations in USA. White women probably still feel a little bit like forbidden fruit for many black men. Which means that many black men have a special liking for white women. And this special liking often translates into a better, harder, deeper, and faster fuck for the pretty white lady in an interracial porn scene. Many black guys have special chemistry going for white ladies. Which often leads to such a good fuck for the pretty white lady from her black guy that even many white guys want to watch how he does her.
^ I watch IR regularly but I'm not into IR , I mean I don't watch a movie because it is IR I watch it because of the girls or the quality of it or the plot in it. I don't like any mistreatment of women real or faked unless there is some performers who not only seem to enjoy it but also do the same when they direct it (Bobbi Starr , Belladonna)but usually I don't. If there's a hot girl I don't mind who is the stud , for example I watched all the Mandingo Massacre Series (4 issues to date) not because of him but because the actresses in there 2 issues with Lisa Ann , 2 with Chastity Lynn and Julian Ann also starred in 2 , plus Kristina Rose and Jada Stevens , Phoenix Marie Alanah Rae twice , I could I miss them? it is IR , who cares?
^ I think the performance of the guy matters a lot too. It's not just the lady's looks that matter. Because most of the action in a porn scene is done by the guy and not by the lady. And for this reason, the guy's chemistry and desire for the lady makes a big difference in a porn scene. How the guy feels about the lady affects his performance with her a lot. There is a big difference between a guy doing the lady because it's his job and a guy doing the lady because he really wants her. You can see this kind of thing in the way her performs with her, like how hard his cock is, how quickly he penetrates her, how hard and how fast he bangs her, and how long he stays inside her pussy or ass, before he takes an oral break with her. All of these things either show the guy's eagerness to bang the lady or his lack of passion for her.
^ I agree , I meant in similar situations , for example the lack of a decent wood will ruin everything or even the bad attitude of a director , I saw a STRAIGHT meant for males (not a playgirl movie) movie where the director for the 80% of the time was putting on screan the mucles of the man , his sweat , thighs , ass , it was a movie with Rikki Lee and I was VERY pissed , I just saw tits and face of her maybe her ass for a short time apparently the director (don't know who he was , can't remember) was very much interested in the male performer and didn't bother to film the girl
I'll add to that and say Kelly Divine also complained here about working for Brian Pumper and like Kristina I remember her complaints and it had very little if anything to do with Brian being "gangsta" and was all about him just being stupid and not knowing what he was doing and lacking class and much common sense. From what I keep hearing about Brian P. is he's just not a bright guy. Whether he was a rapper/gangsta or on the Glee Club I think the end results would be the same. Perhaps I'm missing something with Nat Turnher but it's always appeared to me that the girls he worked with liked him were really into him. I've never gotten the impression that they were put off by him in any way. Of course I haven't seen eveything he's done but what I have seen during performance and behind the scenes the girls I've seen had a good time with him. With Wesley, maybe girls are put off by him but I haven't seen evidence of that either way. From what I've seen Wesley isn't the type to chill or cuddle with the girls after the scene is shot so it's harder for me to get a read on him from the girls. [/quote] again its cause of Brian Pumper's Misoygnistic gangsta 50 cent wannabe atitude is what pushes a lot of Porn Actresses Black and White away from him and thats the same atitude that Nat Turnher,Wesley Pipes,Shorty Mac,Rico Strong have and thats why those particular type of Black Male Porn Actors dont crossover as big and Actors like Lexington Steele,Mr Marcus,Sean Michaels,Tee Reel,C.J Wright do crossover and get more IR scenes with top Performers in the industry,Jesse Jane who is contracted with Digital Playground was asked whenever she does her first IR who would she want to work with and she said Lexington Steele cause he seems so much like a Gentleman and she is correct do u honestly think Jesse Jane would want B.Pumper,Wesley Snipes or Nat for her first IR??!!! hell no most high grade Porn Actors don't want to picture themselves with having sex with a Street Thug the same way they wouldnt want a Scene with Max Hardcore.
Perhaps that director was gay, and it showed in the way he filmed the scene. Attraction for the guy might be why there aren't too many women successfully directing porn films. Women naturally focus their attention on the guy and not on the lady, which isn't something heterosexual porn fans want to see. They want to focus on the lady. Heterosexual porn fans want to see an attractive lady get the banging of her life from a really horny guy. Which means that they want to see a guy who is quick with his dick and really eager to fuck. It's the guy's lust for the lady and his performance with her that matters the most to viewers.
^ About the gay director that was my thought exactly. I like passion, I like a female eager to fuck ,a responsive female is arousing for me, also when the performers kiss each other you can't say who is doing it to whom and you can appreciate it whoever you are if you are a female you can imagine yourself as the lady getting fucked and being kissed if you are male you can imagine yourself as the male kissing and fucking. Passion and lust would do for any viewer. Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 5/22/2012 10:27:34 AM
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You honestly believe it's perceived misogyny that turns women off from working with guys like Wesley, Rico and Nat? Do you know the two white performers Nacho Vidal and Rocco Siffredi who are the two roughest guys in the business? Most white female performers love working with them because of their slapping, gagging, choking, toilet head dunking, and other misogynistic violent behavior. Now I don't want to get into the psychology of these women, but most of those girls want the degradation they get from those guys and that includes women like Jesse Jane, Kayden Kross, and Riley Steele who are digital playground contract women. And as for Jesse Jane she will never work with anyone Black, and it's not related to how "gentlemanly" a black male performer is. Now I know it's your thesis that misogyny is keeping these black male performers from working with certain women, but in actual truth it's just good old fashioned racism, which is why this issue doesn't exist in Europe, but it does in the USA.
^ Mysoginism is actually hatred or at least despice toward women , not Nacho nor Rocco ever showed that, rough and even violent sex is not equal to violence purposely done to make them suffer for example Mandingo is not known for such behaviour though in his scen with Chastity Lynn he spit her into her mouth , she asked for it on her own the very same Chastity did two scenes in a featured movie (Cheaters Retreat #1) the first one with Sean Michaels with lots of passion , cuddling , kisses and intensity , the second one rough , not as in a gonzo but she was bottomed in a very clear way , I thought it was Nick Manning who ruined the scene by being rough with no reason, then she said more than once in her twitter and in her presentation here, that she likes to be dominated , so maybe that scene wasn't ruined , maybe it was her who wanted it as such. Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 5/23/2012 8:51:40 AM
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Misogyny actually has various gradations, it's not exclusively defined as a male engaging in violence towards women. But it is more expansively defined as a general attitude of disrespect and denigration of women through deeds such as sexual acts, which defines Nacho and Rocco to a t. Also, until either one writes a detailed essay on their psychology towards women we have to go based on their actions towards female performers and based on their rough and somewhat violent behavior it shows misogyny.
^ No it is played ,you're not talking about their behaviour you're talking about what they do on stage , this can hardly be used to judge someone to the point to need a t"detailed essay" to prove that judgement wrong,besides Max Steiner/Hardcore is WAY worse than Rocco, also Rocco not always plays rough in his early movies also the game was reversed with him bottomed also I saw performers who are not known to be rough who actually treated the females like a piece of shit , when you hurt a female performer on purpose (for example with a rough penetration in a scene not supposed to be as such) is a mistreatment way worse than any acted one
Edited by - Laurie Cameron Fan on 5/23/2012 5:43:13 PM
You honestly believe it's perceived misogyny that turns women off from working with guys like Wesley, Rico and Nat? Do you know the two white performers Nacho Vidal and Rocco Siffredi who are the two roughest guys in the business? Most white female performers love working with them because of their slapping, gagging, choking, toilet head dunking, and other misogynistic violent behavior. Now I don't want to get into the psychology of these women, but most of those girls want the degradation they get from those guys and that includes women like Jesse Jane, Kayden Kross, and Riley Steele who are digital playground contract women. And as for Jesse Jane she will never work with anyone Black, and it's not related to how "gentlemanly" a black male performer is. Now I know it's your thesis that misogyny is keeping these black male performers from working with certain women, but in actual truth it's just good old fashioned racism, which is why this issue doesn't exist in Europe, but it does in the USA. [/quote] I looked at all the women that Nacho Vidal and Rocco Siffredi pair up with and none of them are Vivid/Wicked or DP Contract stars the only type of Porn Actors that want to work with Real Ruff Performers like Nacho Vidal/Rocco Siffredi or Gangsta image Black Male Performers are the Actors that mostly do Gonzo Porn, those types of women are attracted to the hardcore Abuse Porn where they are degraded and its nothing wrong with it cause its thier choice and what they want to do but most of the COntract Stars like Kayden Kross, Jesse Jane,Alektra Blue dont have scenes with Actors like Rocco and Nacho Vidal and would probaly wouldnt want scenes with the Thug type Black Male Performers either,and yes Jesse Jane will probaly do a IR scene later in her Career the same way Savanna Sameson, and Janine did both Vivid Contract Superstars, I read in a article that Jesse Jane said that whenever she gets to do her first IR should wants it to be with Lexington Steele and honestly the only thing holding her back in Digital Playground not her if she would never do a IR Scene she just would have flat out said I am never doing IR but instead she mentioned Lexington Steele's name,Now back to what I was saying about mostly gonzo chicks loving Hardcore Abusive Porn and loving the thug type Black Male performers, prime Example Belladonna, she is a great performer she mostly does Gonzo and it not a Feature contract Performer and she loves Hardcore Abusive Gonzo and also Doing Thug like Black Performers like Nat Turnher.
To the original question "IR. Whats the appeal?": I like IR bcz I enjoy seeing a black cock sliding in and out of a white pussy. It's about the contrast. I can see the fucking better. Often these cocks seem to be bigger. And the ladies who do IR seem to be sluttier. It's a win/win for me.
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In the new DP movie Turn On with Kayden Kross she does a scene with Nacho Vidal. And Riley Steele does a scene with Nacho in Homewrecker 2. The obvious conclusion is that both women like that sort of degradation if they work with a guy like him. Also for Riley Steele she did a scene with a guy named War Machine who she wanted to work with. And that guy at that point already had a criminal record and now he's currently in jail for some offense. Now if he was black with that background you'd call him a thug. As for Jesse Jane I can tell you she will never work with a black male. Ever. And many of these women say they will because they know it sounds nice, but also because they know it'll never happen. Edited by - Zy28 on 5/24/2012 12:48:03 AM
I agree. Especially with the contrast point. I enjoy watching black guys fuck every lighter colored race. But when it comes the black girls getting fucked I like watching white guys for the job.
^ Perhaps a wife-swapping movie between a black couple and a white couple would fulfill your interracial fantasy the most. I don't know if any such porn film has been made. But I think this would be pretty exciting interracial sex. Because it will be interracial in every possible way and not just one way.
That's actually a pretty cool idea and I'm surprised it hasn't been done more. But for the most part I don't like group sex. It's too unfocused to me. Cool idea though, I'd watch it few times.
Wow...First of all you're very wrongly assuming all pornstars like or prefer the same sex and guys in real life that they do in the the movies. That's just not the case. The contract girls have a certain type of sex because that's the type of sex the studio wants from them. You can't assume the DIGITAL PLAYGROUND girls only like or want the type of sex or guys that they work with or do in their movies. Yeah, some contract girls are contract girls or because they prefer more "vanilla" sex but many contract girls are contract girls because that's the type of porn career they wanted. VIVID girl Savanna Samson did some of her first porn scenes with Rocco and enjoyed the experience before she became a contract girl and started doing VIVID style sex scenes. Savanna has also said she wanted to do IR for a long time before they finally let her do it. So that's a prime example of a contract girl having different tastes in sex and who she wants to do vs what she does for the studio she works for. Bree Olsen is another example. The type of sex and the type of guys she worked with at ADAM AND EVE are different from what she's been shown to like or do before she went to ADAM AND EVE. Same with Lannie Barbie or lots of girls who are or have been contract girls. All those girls do the type of sex their studios want to, not necessarily the type of sex they want to or who they want to. The The reverse is true also. Some Gonzo girls who may have wilder sex on camera may not prefer that in their private life. So judging what performers like or who they want to have sex with based on what they do on camera won't always be accurate. These are performers getting paid to perform what the director wants. And lastly...no offense but many porngirls have real life boyfriends that aren't exactly chiorboys. Some of the guys acting gangsta in porn is nothing compared to what they put up with in real life.Sorry but if Jesse really wanted to do IR she has the clout to do so. She's the top girl at DP and just resigned recently. She could've told the studio she wanted to do a IR scene and the company would've let her to get her to resign. I really don't think Jesse wants to do IR. Jesse is very picky on who she works with. But Jesse is smart and knows it's a mistake to do like some girls do and publicly say she doesn't want to do IR and turn off some of her fans so she says she's open to it and names the biggest black pornstar in the business. It makes her look good to her fans who want to see her do it and by not actually doing it she keeps fans who'd be against it. I like Jesse and don't think she's racist in the least but I really don't see her ever doing IR. She doesn't need to and seems to be content doing what she does.
as a big janine fan i am pissed she did 2 ir scenes talked about how she loved it did many scenes and even her website not one ir scene even if she comes back again i think people are right she did the scenes to piss her ex off
^ Yeah, the Janine thing was wierd. The way she talked about it after she had IR sex like it was such a wonderful sexual experience I figured she'd be doing it often...but those two times were it. The same thing with Chasey Lane. She said she didn't understand why people make such a big deal about doing IR and seemed to be surprised it was an issue. he sounded like she had been friends with Mr Marcus for years and they had chemistry and I thought it was one of Chasey's best scenes but she never did IR again. I thought she'd at least work with Mr Marcus again...but nothing. I can understand a girl doing IR and not doing it again for whatever reason but those two instances were strange because they both seemed to have such a positive experience from it.
point in case they were lying they thought it would boost their careers didn't hurt them at all either but they it really didn't turn them on like they said it did it would have been nice to see them do it again but what you gonna do time passes and they have gotten old and will probably never return to porn
I think your first respondent more of less had it - many of us like to watch girls get used, abused and fucked to the fullest, IR is just part of that. Power is a huge component of sex and what gets me off, certainly. The girl needs to be of the youngest barely legal variety, a super-petite spinner, cute, naive, shaven and completely submissive. The men need to be muscular and hugely endowed (blacks have this build more often), different to the girl's typical social group (e.g.black and white, or old and young) and large in number. The fucking needs to be domineering, powerful and even aggressive, if the girl submits willingly. The more extreme the action the more complete the domination - anal, DP, double anal, bondage etc. I am a great lover of gangbang porns. My favourite film of the moment is Moretta Coxx's Bound Gangbang, but it would have been better if the gangbangers had been muscular and huge cocked blacks.
I don't think Janine was lying about enjoying the experience because it looked to me that she was really into it during the scene. it might've been a studio thing more than anything. If I remember correctly Janine had shot her VIVID IR scene months before it came out and they didn't release it. When her DIGITAL PLAYGROUND IR scene was going to hit the market I think VIVID inserted her IR scene into another movie and called it JANINE'S BEEN BLACKMALED even though she only has the one IR scene in the movie. So it sounds like VIVID was all that eager to release it. Savanna Samson said she begged VIVID for a long time to let her do IR before they finally gave in. It was probably a case of VIVID just didn't want Janine to do more IR stuff. Maybe she wanted to and they said no and she didn't push the issue. Maybe her BLCKMALED movie wasn't as big a seller as her all white movies. I don't think it was a bad experience and I don't think it hurt her career at that point so I tend to think there's a reason behind why she didn't do more. With Chasey her career had already been in decline at that point and IR would've have made much of a difference but like Janine she signed up with a company that simply didn't do much if any IR (CHERRYBOX or whatever it's called) so even if she wanted to do more IR she probably was told "no". Oh well...like you mention the time has passed and I have no desire to see either Janine or Chasey do IR (or even do a scene) at this point even if they were still around. But I still enjoy watching the IR they did back then.
Just a few questions that I want to toss out... Do you feel there are girls whose best work is when they do interracial? Do you think it would be a good idea for most movies to include an interracial scene? Of the following studios which would you like to see have an ongoing interracial line? DIGITAL PLAYGROUND, VIVID, or WICKED?
I'm black and I'm about directors and girls.That's where I find you get hottest scenes.Jules Jordan + hot chick hot scene.Micheal No + Hot chick hot scene.Lee G + Big booty white girl hot scene!Buttman Stagliano Rodney Moore ect.The guys really don't even matter.I've been watching porn since the early nineties and there are only like 4 standout male performers TTBOY Justin Slayer Rocco Siegfried and LT.They are the only guys I've seen that can make a girl get into a scene more or just bring a certain level of dynamic to a scene to make it more interesting.I swear to god some of these guys black and white are fucking some of the finest women fuck like they're sleepwalking and still have to jack off to bust a nut.Race does not even matter hot is hot!
I've never particularly found TT Boy that dynamic or interesting, but I do get the basic point. I agree and disagree. While the women do ultimately matter most to me and the directors play important parts, I do think the male talent matters too. Most of the guys you mentioned, make their own films for the most part. I think it's a lot easier to look good when your in charge. Most don't really get that choice.
I am a female and the guy matters more to me and most other women that watch Porn we like to look at the Mens bodies, if u noticed TT Boy has a nice Muscular Atheletic Physic thats probaly a big reason why he got a lot of scenes and Companies hired him, TT Boy was a Boxer before he got into porn, also Justin Slayer is a Body Builder, I think in order to make a really hot scene the Man and the women both need to be equally attractive and nice to look at, a lot of people like looking watching good looking people make out, a lot of the Feature Porn Companies like Vivid and Wicked are known to pick out good looking male talent to compliment the pretty contract girls they have, a handsome well built Male Actor compliments a Pretty Female Porn Actress they go hand and hand thats a huge factor for the Feature Porn Companies, now most Gonzo Porn Studios dont really care about how the Men Actors look cause its Gonzo and the camera is not focused that much on the Face or Bodies just the penetration shots.
Well the fact that they are attractive may play a part in how they seem to get the women more into the scenes.But what I'm talking about is how energetic the sex is in the scenes that they are in compared to other male performers.TTboy was legend in the nineties for his rapid fire sex.Justin Slayer and Rocco i've seen multiple scenes where they cum twice in the same scene while having very energetic sex.LT just always brings enthusiasm to a scene like he really enjoys fucking and wants to be there.When the sex is energetic the woman's body jiggles and wiggles.I don't know about others but I love to see ass and tittie jigglin on a woman.And what the other poster said about these guys making their own stuff.All of these guys started out as performers first.The fact that they make their own stuff is probally somebody noticed that they were in many a good scene.And decided to give them a chance to do it on their own. Edited by - doboy1 on 5/30/2012 7:11:58 PM
I am a white guy and some of my favorite porn scenes are black banging white girls. My criteria seems to be that the girl be really pretty (Tori Black or any other Penthouse Pet) and classy. I like the black guy to be a thug. And if the guy's got a few friends...... I got hooked after seeing one of my favorite dreamgirls, Lexus Locklear, get fucked by Mr. Marcus. IR is the future. Always wanted to see him bang Racquel Darrian.
As a white woman I like the black guys if they have a good body and are attractive. Sean Michaels is my favorite but Mr. Marcus is good as well! I like to see tall well endowed black guys pleasuring beautiful white women.
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