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| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 |  Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 6:00PMBefore the 1960's, porn was more or less illegal in USA. But since then it has grown into a multi-billion-dollar industry. And this makes me wonder if the same turn-around is about to happen in China? The rise of the porn industry in USA coincided with rising marriage age for both men and women and with ever increasing divorce rate. There are millions of unattached men and women in USA nowadays who don't have any regular sex partners. And they are probably the main core who consume hardcore porn. China is also now getting ever increasing numbers of unattached men who don't have any regular sex partners. Due to China's one-child-policy, many parents there choose to have only male babies through sex-selective abortions and even female infanticide. And according to one article I've read, there are now 18 million more young men in China than women. And it's going to get worse. In a few years they are going to have 30 million more young men than women. 18 Million Eligible Bachelors in China One way or another these unattached men will need to be sexually satisfied, and regularly too. Or else they will make trouble for the government and for society there. Already prostitution is common there. And many private companies keep prostitutes on their payroll (or as independent contractors) in order to bribe various government officials with sexual favors. Here is what one recent news article said, "China has banned fire department officials from receiving sexual favours as bribes from companies seeking their business.... For every 10 corrupt officials, nine are involved in illicit sex." Sexual Favors Are Used As Bribes in China In 9 Out Of 10 Cases All this makes me wonder whether the Chinese government will adopt the US model of dealing with unatached adults and allow porn to flourish freely there? Only the future will show. But complete freedom for porn in China seems like an effective way to satisfy at least some of the unattached men there. China would be a huge market and a big opportunity for porn makers. Perhaps China is where the future of porn business is. Edited by - Dan on Nov 18 2007 [Link] |
| imak Adult Film Legend 3345 Posts 2/04 | Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 6:28PM [Link] |
| BigMatt Member Sunrise Adams, Queen of Cute. 498 Posts 12/04 | Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 7:43PM Ironically, it might be a good thing. If China allowed a porn industry, the conditions would probably be horrific for the girls involved, considering the lack of regulations and disregard for safety and human rights in that country. [Link] |
| Dither Persona non grata I love America 650 Posts 8/05 | Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 7:55PM China has huge markets where legality is ambiguous. They say porn is sold in "everywhere", although it is technically illegal (probably pretty randomly enforced). And there's "millions" of websites.I agree. [Link] |
| sam46 Deactivated User 564 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Nov 18 2007 : 8:03PM India, Africa, Indonesia etc. [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 3:55PM They will either have widespread prostitution, where many men will find satisfaction with few women. Or they can try to keep some order in their society and allow porn as an outlet for men who can't find mates for themselves. Prostitution is not going to go away in their society, even if they allow porn. But it probably won't get as bad as it will without any alternatives for the unattached men to choose from. A good example of what can happen in society when young men don't have any sexual outlet are some of the muslim countries where terrorism is a problem. These countries don't allow extramarital sex, prostitution, and porn. And many young men there cannot get married because they don't have the money to pay dowry for their brides. And some of these young men end up making a lot of trouble for everyone, not just in their countries but internationally as well. I don't think the Chinese government would want to deal with problems like that in their society. Not if they can find some way out of it, like legalizing porn for example. Porn is not easily available in developing countries like India and most African countries because the governments there strictly prohibit porn and punish anyone using it. Not so long ago I remember reading in the news that an Indian film actress has been charged with indecency by police because an American actor kissed her on the cheek in public. That's how strict they are there. Edited by - Dan on 11/19/2007 4:04:43 PM [Link] |
| brewski Deactivated User 208 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 5:07PM Can Mexicans get porn? Yeah. Do they want it? Nope. Same with China. [Link] |
| BigBobxxx Senior Member 2681 Posts 5/04 | Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 5:23PM at least we do something the Chinese and the rest of the world want to buy  [Link] |
| pito05 Member BROOKLYN nyc 508 Posts 9/06 | Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 6:10PM [Link] |
| Dither Persona non grata I love America 650 Posts 8/05 | Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 7:13PM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 8:25PM If there is so little demand for porn in China. Then why does the police there fight so hard to shut down internet porn sites that are popping up all over the place there? Here is an example of what I'm talking about: "Chinese police last week said they had arrested a 21-year-old student for running five pornographic websites with 210,000 registered users. Police also announced that they had closed 1,450 porn websites and deleted more than 30,000 obscene messages online since the launch of the campaign. Over a six-month period, the campaign by the MPS and nine other government departments will crack down on illegal online activities such as distributing pornographic materials and organizing cyber strip shows, and purge the web of sexually-explicit images, stories, and audio and video clips. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-05/03/content_865245.htm [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 8:54PM so, you know what? i'm going to go against the grain and say NO FUCKING WAY WILL THERE BE A BIG PORN MARKET IN CHINA. illegal market? maybe. but americans won't see much--if any--of that money. [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 19 2007 : 9:02PM I suppose, it partly depends on their culture. Some countries like USA would rather have widespread porn than widespread prostitution. But other countries, such as Thailand, prohibit porn but allow complete freedom for prostitution. Perhaps China will end up being like Thailand in terms of sexual satisfaction for their unattached men. [Link] |
| greg Member Thinking real hard about Katsirk 793 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 12:11AM In Shenzhen ( Shekou ) the western district , at night you can see the working girls across from the soccer fields where the western kids play. But I suspect the clients to be limited to western men for the most part.( It is all about the money for gvernment as well ) The willingness to excute thousands each year , is a good indicator that no law is considered to severe. I almost wonder if they would consider sexual reassignment surgery to adjust for the imbalance first. On the other hand they might consider mass producing porn to sell as an export only. [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 4:16AM it would be great if porn were legalised there and everywhere it isn't already. [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 4:27AM If the government prohibits porn, then these men will seek satisfaction among prostitutes. And if the government jails the prostitutes and abolishes women from the streets, then perhaps many men will turn to gay sex with each other (as it often happens in some arab countries and in most Western jails). Edited by - Dan on 11/20/2007 4:28:14 AM [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 4:37AM it's not making me turn gay. well, not that much. and, yeah, men also like other men. lots of gay men buy porn. if gay porn is illegal, do they then turn straight? it's a neat theory, just doesn't really work. back to the drawing board. [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 4:43AM Australia doesn't have several million more men than women in their country. And that's why comparing China and Australia is like comparing apples and oranges. Edited by - Dan on 11/20/2007 4:45:10 AM [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 5:06AM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 5:11AM [Link] |
| Larry Olsson Member Florida 17 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 5:49AM [Link] |
| Anime Nut Senior Member Too cool for Zuul 1925 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 6:37AM The mere thought of a hardcore porno that looks like Hero or House of Flying Daggers makes me happy. [Link] |
| lenscap Member everywhere 185 Posts 10/05 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 6:26PM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 8:10PM The best suicide bombers are those who are suicidal to begin with, even before they are recruited. [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Nov 20 2007 : 9:06PM in case you weren't aware, one of the highest groups of suicidal teens are homosexual, and they kill themselves because of pressure from society/other reasons. [Link] |
| P3-2A Member 173 Posts 5/07 | Posted - Nov 21 2007 : 2:43AM [Link] |
BlackSix  All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07 | Posted - Nov 21 2007 : 2:58AM I think the problem may be more connected to the oppressive regimes that run the middle east, whose strict social controls would be part of the problem, but considering that these young men are embracing a fundamentalism with even stricter social and sexual controls, I find your reasoning unconvincing. [Link] |
| liuwhores New Member 2 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Nov 21 2007 : 6:12AM In fact, adult films in China are very universal, almost every youngman (especially students) had seen pornographic VCDs. During college, we boys are gathered together to see adult films or any other film. I feel that, you really lack understanding on China. Edited by - liuwhores on 11/21/2007 6:19:12 AM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 21 2007 : 4:40PM Not so long ago, private businesses were completely illegal and prohibited by law in China. And now private businesses are not only legal but also a prominent part of society there. The same can happen with porn, because there is something to be gained by satisfying sexual passions of young men who cannot satisfy them in relationships with women. Problems with romantic relationships is one of the main reasons people give in their suicide notes, when they try to commit suicide. Here is what one author says: "And motives for suicide? Suicide notes make all too clear that romantic love once again tops the list.... .... the perception that a lover has forsaken them is the leading cause of fatal nighttime auto crashes among drunk-driving males." http://www.relationshipsandlove.com/Theres_love_and.htm In some arab countries, there are many young men who cannot find mates for themselves because of strict social prohibitions and lack of money for marriage. And some terrorist organizers take advantage of these men's romantic despair by befriending them and comforting them with a male-bonding type of experience that rejects women and the need for female company. And many of them eventually end up being terrorists. Similar kinds of things can happen in China too, if the government there doesn't watch it. Edited by - Dan on 11/21/2007 5:18:22 PM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 21 2007 : 4:42PM Edited by - Dan on 11/21/2007 4:43:14 PM [Link] |
| OneLouder Member 203 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Nov 21 2007 : 6:21PM [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Nov 21 2007 : 8:13PM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 21 2007 : 10:01PM Dr. Neff has a PhD in Social Psychology and extensive work experience in various mental healthcare settings. If anyone is an authority on this kind of thing, then he certainly is. Here is a description of his education and work experience: http://www.relationshipsandlove.com/FreeStuff/biopage.htm As for the legality of porn in Australia, my impression is that porn movies and porn magazines are perfectly legal and available in most of Australia. The only exceptions are places where the Australian Aborigenese live. The Australian government has made porn illegal only for the native population of Australia. And it probably has more to do with paternalism and racism than with anything else. It's not the first time Australian Aborigenese have been mistreated by the Australian government. For a long time these original inhabitants of Australia were not even considered Australian citizens, and their human rights were not recognized by any law there. Edited by - Dan on 11/21/2007 10:04:06 PM [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Nov 22 2007 : 2:51AM pornography is illegal in every other state. [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Nov 22 2007 : 2:23PM [Link] |
| greg Member Thinking real hard about Katsirk 793 Posts 12/06 | Posted - Jan 2 2008 : 12:59AM [ invalid url ] ^ doesn't completely match topic , but it is close. [Link] |
| monkey power Member Tim? 868 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jan 2 2008 : 10:33PM Some of them could use some porn. But then there's the fastidious Asian who thinks masturbation is icky and who channels those energies into playing tennis. So who knows. [Link] |
| ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06 | Posted - Jan 3 2008 : 3:08AM [Link] |
| phatasslover Member 195 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jan 3 2008 : 4:22AM God that would be awesome if it was allowed!!! [Link] |
| HarryWild Member Make me believe 622 Posts 2/05 | Posted - Jan 3 2008 : 5:50AM [Link] |
| BumBum Member 395 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Jan 3 2008 : 7:07AM Now that China is a major capitalist state, money and the pursuit of it will drive the industry there. The officials who control this will quickly find a way to make money on porn, and within a decade, porn will be everywhere in China. I have no idea whether Chinese people would rather see caucasians, blacks, hispanics, or asians portrayed, but my best guess is that there will be "different strokes for different folks", with the majority preferring chinese actors. [Link] |
| john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05 | Posted - Jan 3 2008 : 5:30PM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jan 3 2008 : 6:43PM If it's something you don't like. Then don't watch it. But don't impose your personal opinions on others. Perhaps being judgemental and dictatorial towards others is more of a stigma than making porn is. That's why the Chinese government has an image problem, when it comes to respect of human rights. [Link] |
| rlankford Senior Member 2045 Posts 6/06 | Posted - Jan 3 2008 : 10:35PM [Link] |
| john_qyoo_public Deactivated User 265 Posts 7/05 | Posted - Jan 4 2008 : 3:29PM [Link] |
| pito05 Member BROOKLYN nyc 508 Posts 9/06 | Posted - Jan 4 2008 : 9:04PM [Link] |
| monkey power Member Tim? 868 Posts 1/03 | Posted - Jan 5 2008 : 9:59PM If the gov starts slapping the middle class around, making more sovereign efforts to define what the wealthy can hope to reach for, then the window slams shut. It's the question of how much will they join us while beating us at our game. Maybe they'll look to the west for more and more ideas of what to buy and desire. And maybe when it comes to some things like porn there will be a stiff throbbing line drawn in the rice, and they will most decidedly not emulate our culture in those respects. It'll be interesting to see. [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jan 6 2008 : 11:18PM [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jan 6 2008 : 11:27PM In the long run, the Chinese government has nothing to gain from keeping porn illegal. But they might have something to loose, if they don't change the law. Some of their own Communist officials are probably heavily involved in either using porn or making money from it. [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Jan 7 2008 : 2:10AM I accept the inevitability of porn in China, one way or another. My post was about how American pornsters will not see the money, because of the piracy situation in China. I am addressing this part of your original post: [Link] |
| Dan Senior Member 2056 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jan 7 2008 : 12:50PM China is a member of the World Trade Organization. And eventually China will have to get serious about the piracy. Or else, they will end up paying some heavy penalties according to WTO rules. I agree that it doesn't look good now. But I'm talking about the future. And there are some good reasons to believe that the future in China will be different from the present. Edited by - Dan on 1/7/2008 12:51:23 PM [Link] |
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