Is Facialabuse.com real????

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kaiser1one Member Dark Avatar 142 Posts 10/07	Posted - Jun 28 2009 : 5:10PM I've seen clippets of the sight on the net and its always showing the chicks crying supposedly due to the guys slamming them during anal sex. Is this site legit with that???? Or is it just a big ol fake-o crying??? Cause I'm starting to suspect its fake. [Link]
skronker Notable Legendary Icon Scopophiliac 9780 Posts 9/02	Posted - Jun 28 2009 : 11:22PM They're all finger puppets. [Link]
melt Pornstar Diplomat The pride of Manchester 3763 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jun 29 2009 : 4:56AM All porn is acting and fantasy but having chatted to one or two of the female participants on Facialabuse it is apparently a rough experience being treated in such a degrading way and they were certain about one thing they were not going back for seconds despite the money being good. Its a pity Duke has been banned he could have told you more colourfully than I his opinion regarding what happens on his site. [Link]
ganderso Member Porn stars DO come from the Midwest! 273 Posts 11/07	Posted - Jun 30 2009 : 9:07AM I discussed this once with Tecey Heart who was on that site a year or two ago and she related that what you saw in her appearance on there was VERY real. Money was very good but she wouldn't do it again. [Link]
ma meeshka Iconoclastic Member 3939 Posts 4/06	Posted - Jun 30 2009 : 9:14AM yeah, it's real... ... real SHIT! [Link]

Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jun 30 2009 : 3:03PM Somebody should give these guys a serious beating! [Link]
lilmissmackenzeepierce Senior Member 1148 Posts 10/07	Posted - Jul 1 2009 : 11:47PM hey guys, from my experience its "ROLE" i played, i knew what i was getting into, the money was good, but i wouldnt do it again. they have "safe words" in case you either A: are in serious pain, torn, hurt, etc or B: decided you mentally cant get through it... they do try and talk you in to finishing the scene. I used the safe word because i cant stand puke(which the face f*ck you till you gag) they offered to just be done with the throat gagging and i was fine... i knew it was just another role i was playing, so i tuned out the spitting and name calling... "im the girl your mother warned you about" [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 2 2009 : 1:19AM @ lilmissmackenzeepierce - Let me just say that although sometimes (Ok, often) I find your posts a little angry, I (for one) do appreciate your candor. [Link]
lilmissmackenzeepierce Senior Member 1148 Posts 10/07	Posted - Jul 2 2009 : 2:01AM RandomPrecision wrote: @ lilmissmackenzeepierce - Let me just say that although sometimes (Ok, often) I find your posts a little angry, I (for one) do appreciate your candor. Click to expand well i could see that, im just very very literal and very abrasive but deep down... no not even deep down, in general i am a sweet fun loving goofy girl "im the girl your mother warned you about" [Link]
Randomizer Member 234 Posts 6/08	Posted - Jul 2 2009 : 2:10AM @ RandomPrecision & lilmissmackenzeepierce: The more truth (& less marketing) we can get in these forums the better. While I'm always looking for genuine "damn I've never seen that on camera before" moments... seeing girls crying is never arousing. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jul 2 2009 : 6:08AM Max Hardcore is in jail and those jokers from facialabuse are running around free? Doesn't seem right to me! [Link]
MrTibbs Member 372 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 3:49AM Ramsey wrote: Somebody should give these guys a serious beating! Click to expand I would really enjoy watching that actually. Far as I'm concerned, real or not, these guys make porn for men who hate women. You can argue that folks like this are a niche market that deserve their brand of porn too, but isn't it ultimately bad for the industry as a whole? If there are seasoned pros who say they wouldn't do it again, what does that tell you about the not so experienced girls they feature? You gotta wonder how many potentially brilliant porn careers have been nipped in the bud by stuff like this. [Link]
Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 3:50AM ugh.. this is my ideal thing to shoot.. must look into it [Link]
melt Pornstar Diplomat The pride of Manchester 3763 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 8:14AM ^ You cant be serious? [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 8:28AM ^^ Why not? It's already been stated here that it is a) good money, b) you can invoke the safe word and end the scene at any time and c) some performers actually like a challenge. Would you deny a performer the right to make money just because it doesn't match with your ideals? Why not just move along and not buy/watch that scene/vid instead? [Link]

melt Pornstar Diplomat The pride of Manchester 3763 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 9:41AM ^ If you seriously think Hannah is likely to take advice from you or I regarding where and for whom she works then you have a highly inflated opinion of what influence you think you exercise on a forum where members only have the right to express their opinions in a polite and civil way. Perhaps you need to chill and accept that not all will necesarily agree with your opinion. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 11:42AM I would really enjoy watching that actually. Click to expand That's pretty fucked up. A girl gets raped on screen and you enjoy that shit? [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 11:45AM ^ I think you completely misread that. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 11:49AM My mistake, I thought he actually enjoyed the crying scene but yes, those guys deserve a beating because I hate the way they try to break down a girl like that! [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 12:22PM ^I'll just repeat back to you the same thing you said to me when I complained that I don't like foot fetish movies: Don't watch it. [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 1:50PM realtip wrote: ^I'll just repeat back to you the same thing you said to me when I complained that I don't like foot fetish movies: Don't watch it. Click to expand There's a big difference, in a foot-fetish movie nobody is being abused to a point of being raped. It vexes me that Max Hardcore is in jail while that POS Duke Skywalker is running around free! [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 3:14PM Ramsey, I think you need to understand why Max is in prison. I assure you, it has nothing to do with abuse or rape. He is serving his 4 years on a conviction entirely built on obscenity charges. And I'm sure he won't be the last pornographer indicted for such, either. All it takes is one closed mind to a particular fetish to rule it as "obscene" by community standards. Wherever that community happens to be. Edited by - LubenLuv on 7/6/2009 3:14:46 PM [Link]
Hannah Westxxx Member The classy side of shameless 506 Posts 8/07	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 11:16PM i've now changed my mind.. rape? wait.. I was just going for the whole major skull fucking [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 11:28PM Ramsey wrote: There's a big difference, in a foot-fetish movie nobody is being abused to a point of being raped. It vexes me that Max Hardcore is in jail while that POS Duke Skywalker is running around free! Click to expand How do you know the girls in foot fetish movies aren't completely repulsed? My sister hates feet and once dumped a guy because he wanted to suck on her toes. She said it was the most disgusting thing she could think of. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/6/2009 11:28:36 PM [Link]
Gunzo Senior Member 1377 Posts 2/05	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 1:23AM I don't watch this kind of stuff, because for every freaky girl who's into very rough and degredation there's probably like 9 who're not. And there's plenty of strong porn out there so what's the need to push it any further, just because it's possible? How all porn is just fantasy is bullshit. Over-cynical or as a way to defend what is basically violent porn. [Link]

The Juicer Idiot of the Year 17 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 2:01AM I have a real serious problem with the way Facial Abuse has been produced in the last few years , it hasnt changed much from the standard straight sex scenes involving a lot of hardcore guy-girl abuse. While I think that totally degrading sexy slutty pornstars and amateur girls with a lot of heavy face spitting, slapping, thunder throatfucking and anal/pussy raping is a real erotic turn-on...its also gotten really really boring and predictable right people?? I really wish that Duke Skywalker would consider making a very hot nasty all-girl lesbian version of Facial Abuse, the new name should be called "DYKE ABUSE". On DYKE ABUSE, there would be some sexy pornstar bitch who would play the new role of "Duke". She would control the action behind the camera, ordering her 4-6 sexy slutty lesbo teammates to basically, slap & spit on a hot sexy "whore", while degrading her. Then lots of wet pussy/asshole fisting, licking, sucking and even deep pussy eating. After all that wild lesbo action is done, add some serious oiled-up strap-on fucking into the whore's pussy and asshole really good and hard. So good, it makes the whore squirt her pussy juice, all over the faces and mouths of the pussy hungry teammates just wanting to drink all that wet pink juice. After half an hour of relentless lesbian girl on girl abuse action , all done in a very calm casual relaxing way inside some cheap studio....the DYKE and her TEAMMATES would all piss ( yes I said urinate ) into a giant plastic clear funnel and the sexy nasty WHORE would basically drink all that female piss and swallow it down. Then followed by 20 additional women walking into the room and 5 groups of 4 sluts all gather around in a half circle and basically piss all over the WHORE again, until all 20 have done their dirty wet lesbian pissing deeds all over the WHORE'S face, eyes , mouth, hair, tits and shes just completely soaked in wet girly piss piss piss piss piss and more piss...then if all that wasnt enough for you to handle.. The same 20 EXTRAS plus the 4-6 TEAMMATES all stand in line and SPIT on the whore while calling her very nasty things like the common: bitch, slut, whore, cunt, rape victim , lesbo.....having no sympathy for the dumb whore who wanted to participate in DYKE ABUSE. After its all done The original DYKE would calmly interview the WHORE , if she really liked her experience , why she did it ....and if she wanted to come back Heres the catch... While shes getting interviewed by the DYKE , the 4-6 lesbo TEAMMATES would all walk up to her, piss on her fucking nasty face , while shes trying hard to answer the DYKE'S questions. NO MEN, NO MUSIC, NO FAKE LESBIAN SEX , NOTHING BUT JUST PURE ALL-GIRL NASTY ABUSE ACTION. Now thats what Duke Skywalker or someother female porn fetish director needs to start doing . Facial Abuse, as well as Latina Abuse and Ghetto Gaggers will always be an original, but its time to step outside of the male-female fetish and start focusing equally on hot lesbian girl-girl action. Think of it as Duke Skywalker's Facial Abuse + Kink.com's WhippedAss = DYKE ABUSE [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 2:04AM ^ Somehow, I doubt more abuse is going to endear "Mr. Skywalker" to his loyal detractors. Or maybe it will. Who knows? [Link]
Loraine Senior Member 1559 Posts 3/04	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:26AM The Juicer wrote: I have a real serious problem with the way Facial Abuse has been produced in the last few years , it hasnt changed much from the standard straight sex scenes involving a lot of hardcore guy-girl abuse. While I think that totally degrading sexy slutty pornstars and amateur girls with a lot of heavy face spitting, slapping, thunder throatfucking and anal/pussy raping is a real erotic turn-on...its also gotten really really boring and predictable right people?? I really wish that Duke Skywalker would consider making a very hot nasty all-girl lesbian version of Facial Abuse, the new name should be called "DYKE ABUSE". On DYKE ABUSE, there would be some sexy pornstar bitch who would play the new role of "Duke". She would control the action behind the camera, ordering her 4-6 sexy slutty lesbo teammates to basically, slap & spit on a hot sexy "whore", while degrading her. Then lots of wet pussy/asshole fisting, licking, sucking and even deep pussy eating. After all that wild lesbo action is done, add some serious oiled-up strap-on fucking into the whore's pussy and asshole really good and hard. So good, it makes the whore squirt her pussy juice, all over the faces and mouths of the pussy hungry teammates just wanting to drink all that wet pink juice. After half an hour of relentless lesbian girl on girl abuse action , all done in a very calm casual relaxing way inside some cheap studio....the DYKE and her TEAMMATES would all piss ( yes I said urinate ) into a giant plastic clear funnel and the sexy nasty WHORE would basically drink all that female piss and swallow it down. Then followed by 20 additional women walking into the room and 5 groups of 4 sluts all gather around in a half circle and basically piss all over the WHORE again, until all 20 have done their dirty wet lesbian pissing deeds all over the WHORE'S face, eyes , mouth, hair, tits and shes just completely soaked in wet girly piss piss piss piss piss and more piss...then if all that wasnt enough for you to handle.. The same 20 EXTRAS plus the 4-6 TEAMMATES all stand in line and SPIT on the whore while calling her very nasty things like the common: bitch, slut, whore, cunt, rape victim , lesbo.....having no sympathy for the dumb whore who wanted to participate in DYKE ABUSE. After its all done The original DYKE would calmly interview the WHORE , if she really liked her experience , why she did it ....and if she wanted to come back Heres the catch... While shes getting interviewed by the DYKE , the 4-6 lesbo TEAMMATES would all walk up to her, piss on her fucking nasty face , while shes trying hard to answer the DYKE'S questions. NO MEN, NO MUSIC, NO FAKE LESBIAN SEX , NOTHING BUT JUST PURE ALL-GIRL NASTY ABUSE ACTION. Now thats what Duke Skywalker or someother female porn fetish director needs to start doing . Facial Abuse, as well as Latina Abuse and Ghetto Gaggers will always be an original, but its time to step outside of the male-female fetish and start focusing equally on hot lesbian girl-girl action. Think of it as Duke Skywalker's Facial Abuse + Kink.com's WhippedAss = DYKE ABUSE Click to expand Great, another romantic... [Link]
The Juicer Idiot of the Year 17 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:27AM well its not supposed to be romantic lesbian lovemaking ok?? Its supposed to be simple hardcore kinky lesbian fetish fun fun fun =) [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:48AM BTW the 'Juicer' is really Mr. Squirt, but he's trying to sound a little more reasonable this time. [Link]
The Juicer Idiot of the Year 17 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:59AM thank you =) I am reasonable im not complaining about no one on the adult industry. I just want my fantasy to come true Dyke Abuse all-girl hot lesbo sex [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 7:07AM How do you know the girls in foot fetish movies aren't completely repulsed? My sister hates feet and once dumped a guy because he wanted to suck on her toes. She said it was the most disgusting thing she could think of. Click to expand But she has no problem giving blowjobs? That's disgusting! [Link]
MrTibbs Member 372 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 9:19AM The Juicer wrote: ... NO FAKE LESBIAN SEX ... Click to expand I've probably never even actually seen "real" lesbian sex, but I'm pretty sure it's nothing like what you described in the rest of your post. [Link]
StillHope Deactivated User "You didn't say Car Ram Rod" 149 Posts 2/06	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 12:51PM While I agree that for some girls it is a role, for most it is a paycheck. Now, I understand they sign a waiver, they are told exactly what is going to happen to them (well, somewhat), but I still think Duke pushes the envelope, especially for the newbies. I am sorry, but I think a genuine "Ouch, Ow, that hurts" should stop any scene, along with genuine crying. Also, the reason I don't think the girls are told everything is because in Hannah's scene, Duke directs Big Red to turn around and shove his ass in her face. He tells her to eat it and she looks at him and says out loud "Are you serious?" No way she was told ass eating was part of the scene. Also, he commands her to bark like a dog, which she refuses, he literally grabs her head, grits his teeth and says "Fuckin do it, I am not playin around here" Now, I know rough sex fans will cry "She could have stopped the scene if she wanted to", and again you are right, she could have. But for two seconds realize you are dealing with girls who for the most part have never done a porn before and they really need the money. They think if they refuse to do something that they won't get paid. Think about it, you get throat pumped to the point of puking for 10-15 minutes, then you refuse to eat the guy's ass, and are sent home with no paycheck. If that is what you think will happen, then most likely you are gonna eat the guy's ass even if you don't want to. If the subject had been broached before the scene, none of that would happen. Finally, the closing interview. I am sorry, I have seen a lot of porn and you can say what you want, Duke is asking those questions to the girl, not the character. "Have you ever felt this degraded in your personal life? Tell us what the most degrading part was. Do you feel like a totally worthless whore now?" All this while 2-4 loads are dripping down her face, and if that weren't enough, they usually add about 4-5 spitwads on there and make her keep the cum on there for way longer than most avg. porn (spare bukkake's). I am not trying to get them banned or anything, and some of their scene's with the pro's are actually quite good. I am simply saying that unlike Mckenzie Pierce , 70% of those girls are not playing a role. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:38PM StillHope wrote: But for two seconds realize you are dealing with girls who for the most part have never done a porn before and they really need the money. ---- I am not trying to get them banned or anything, and some of their scene's with the pro's are actually quite good. I am simply saying that unlike Mckenzie Pierce , 70% of those girls are not playing a role. Click to expand I find it absolutely fascinating that so many porn fans believe that the performers are only in porn because they have no choice, are at the end of their financial rope and are more or less forced into taking these kinds of scenes to survive. Rather than worrying about how many porn performer are being mistreated, I wonder how many porn fans need psychological counseling to deal with their latent guilt for watching porn? [Link]

MrTibbs Member 372 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:44PM StillHope wrote: Now, I know rough sex fans will cry "She could have stopped the scene if she wanted to", and again you are right, she could have. But for two seconds realize you are dealing with girls who for the most part have never done a porn before and they really need the money. They think if they refuse to do something that they won't get paid. Think about it, you get throat pumped to the point of puking for 10-15 minutes, then you refuse to eat the guy's ass, and are sent home with no paycheck. If that is what you think will happen, then most likely you are gonna eat the guy's ass even if you don't want to. If the subject had been broached before the scene, none of that would happen. Click to expand Yeah, and it could also be that a performer, especially a newbie, might not stop the scene because they might be mentally overwhelmed or in shock. When you're already stressed by a situation like that, convulsing from being choked and puking, trying to catch your breath, etc. and you've got two pricks barking orders at you, I don't think you can be expected to make the most rational decisions. How many rape victims don't scream or call out for help even though that's sort of what you'd expect a person to do? Maybe that's a bit of a stretch, but there's a common element there. [Link]
killbillvol69 All-Star Member ^Lucy Pinder 18631 Posts 4/08	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:50PM I think in the end the point is this: These guys are rough. By anyone's standards, these guys get pretty rough. There may be some people who get rougher, but these guys are definitely up there. They also do things that were not talked about beforehand. But realistically, when you're being insanely rough, a LOT of shit goes on, and it's pretty tough to be able to hash that all out before the scene. "Can I put my hand in exactly this place on your back while referring to you as a dirty cum-sucking whore at exactly this volume and having exactly this amount of spit coming out of my mouth while holding your head exactly this far above the ground?" But are the girls ok with it? Well, sometimes yes, and sometimes no. There are girls who post here on ADT who have done FA.com and said they enjoyed it, even the unexpected parts... and there are girls who post here on ADT who have done FA.com and said they didn't enjoy it, especially because of the unexpected stuff. The guys of FA.com may do something the woman has not consented to beforehand, but she allows to happen once it's going on. But they also might do something the woman has not consented to beforehand, and she does not consent to it during the scene, and so they stop. But by the time the girl can say she doesn't want it to happen, realistically, the only reason she knows she doesn't want it to happen is because they've already done it to her. So she can't say that she doesn't want it to happen; she can only say she doesn't want it to happen again. In that sense, it may be just as incorrect to call it consensual as it is to call it non-consensual. This is something else, perhaps somewhere in between the two. [Link]
StillHope Deactivated User "You didn't say Car Ram Rod" 149 Posts 2/06	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:54PM I know I do. Seriously, I am in a bit of a financial pinch, so if you are offering, I will take you up on it. As long as their are no Rorschach Tests. Every time I answer "Brandon Iron's mushroom stamp'n, jaw wirin' good lawd go home and smack you mama Penis", the shrink looks at me puzzled for several moments, then quietly leaves the room. "you know, rest areas are homosexual hangouts...they're the bath houses of the 90's for many many many gay men" [Link]
realtip Deactivated User 2301 Posts 6/04	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 4:42PM Ramsey wrote: But she has no problem giving blowjobs? That's disgusting! Click to expand It's disgusting... to *you.* Going back to the foot fetish thing, I complained that I find that disgusting, but you find it to be a turn-on. What's repulsive to one person may be enticing to another. As for blowjobs, believe it or not, I have heard more than a few women say that they are *more* turned-off by a guy going down on them than they are by going down on a guy. Indeed, there are plenty of women who, if they had to choose, would prefer to give a guy a BJ than have a guy go down on them. And this is just based on what I've heard several women actually say. So what RandomPrecision says does not sound at all unsual to me. Again, just because something is a turn-off for you doesn't mean it's the same for everybody else. StillHope wrote: I am sorry, but I think a genuine "Ouch, Ow, that hurts" should stop any scene, along with genuine crying. Click to expand If you think that, then you obviously miss the point of why people watch the site. It's called FacialAbuse for a reason. [Link]
StillHope Deactivated User "You didn't say Car Ram Rod" 149 Posts 2/06	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 4:47PM killbillvol69: You make many good points. I don't agree with all of them, but you made them rationally and I thank you for that. I would simply say that when dealing with newbies and putting them in such a rough situation, everything does need to be discussed beforehand. Your example is, by any standard a hyperbole. killbillvol69 wrote: "Can I put my hand in exactly this place on your back while referring to you as a dirty cum-sucking whore at exactly this volume and having exactly this amount of spit coming out of my mouth while holding your head exactly this far above the ground?" Click to expand But whether or not you are going to do oral on a guy's ass is a pretty big deal, not in the same ball park as where you are going to put your hand or how loud you are going to yell. Plus, if they were more aware or respectful of the talent's limits, I just believe they would put out a superior product. But alas, they seem to be doing quite satisfactory in the fiscal area of things. To sum it up, Pushing a girl to her very limit is one thing, pushing her beyond that is simply another". As another poster here said (Mike something I think) "The problem with train wreck porn is in order to keep the fan base, you have to create bigger and bigger train wrecks"...at the expense of the talent. [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 5:11PM ""The problem with train wreck porn is in order to keep the fan base, you have to create bigger and bigger train wrecks"...at the expense of the talent." And yet anal was a novelty and pretty rare 20 years ago. Today, it's commonplace. Yes, times change. Porn needs to change to keep up with it. Consumers seem to be VERY addicted to "reality" or "extreme" anything these days, mainstream or porn. FacialAbuse, while not my own cup of tea (I do enjoy very rough sex but not as a spectator), obviously hits the "extreme" category pretty well right now and depending on your perspectives perhaps even the "reality" segment as well, particularly if you believe that much of it is non-scripted perversion and debauchery. But not EVERY porn viewer likes change and there are those who like the softer stuff. Vivid built a whole freakin' empire on that, and the gonzo stuff seems to have taken strong hold everywhere else to push garden-variety hardcore. But just as porn changes, so do the performers. As evidenced by at least some performers in this thread, some see extreme porn as a challenge....go the extra mile past the boundaries and get the extra money. How is this any different than signing up as a contestant on Survivor knowing you'll have to be eating bugs to make the final episode? That isn't in the script either.....or *is it???* [Link]
StillHope Deactivated User "You didn't say Car Ram Rod" 149 Posts 2/06	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 5:25PM First off... major props for the ..."Or is it". Secondly, your avatar quote about tying up some loose ends, awesomely funny. Thirdly, I think this argument is turning into a Billy Preston song "Will It Go Round in Circles?" I could bring up the tired old hyperbolic "But consumers also have a taste for kiddie porn and snuff" to which you would of course (and correctly) "Don't compare rough sex to snuff or kiddie porn" to which I could reply "It was only a hyperbole to prove a point that we can't always depend on consumer's tastes to be the driving force. Capitalism is great with the proper restrictions (such as the Sherman Anti-Trust) but unbridled capitalism can descend into anarchy" To which you would smartly reply "It amazes me how many of you guys think these girls are forced into doing porn due to economic hardship or tricked into doing a hardcore scene. These girls can stop the scene anytime they want" To which I would reply "Or can they?" And just like this post, the topic would indeed go round in circles. Somebody call Billy Preston. "I bent my wookie" [Link]
LubeNLuv Senior Member 1854 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 5:30PM Fair 'nuff. Or one of us could just say "Nazi" and thereby finish this thread quickly by invoking Godwin's Law. But given the emotions that often are exhibited in these types of threads, I'm sure another one just like it will pop up within a few days. ......race you there? [Link]
Ramsey Senior Member Trina Michaels fan 10332 Posts 10/02	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 6:00PM These guys are rough. By anyone's standards, these guys get pretty rough. There may be some people who get rougher, but these guys are definitely up there. Click to expand It's not just the rough part, it's the way they mentally try to break down the girls to the point of crying and that's the part I don't like! [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 8:45PM Ramsey wrote: How do you know the girls in foot fetish movies aren't completely repulsed? My sister hates feet and once dumped a guy because he wanted to suck on her toes. She said it was the most disgusting thing she could think of. Click to expand But she has no problem giving blowjobs? That's disgusting! Click to expand Hey. I was just pointing out that what's great for one woman might not be so great for another and your condemnation of rough sex is sheer hypocrisy as long as you expect porn chicks to do anything that's off the beaten path. How do you know they wouldn't rather get their ass spanked or their throat fucked than to have their feet played with? You are projecting your thoughts and emotions onto them. You could be right but you could just as easily be wrong. As I have said many times, I have no choice but to assume these girls do a small amount of research if they're not sure about what they're getting into. I have to trust their judgment. I'm a passive viewer. All I can do is count on them to behave like adults. Edited by - randomprecision on 7/7/2009 9:16:51 PM [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 9:46PM StillHope wrote: To which you would smartly reply "It amazes me how many of you guys think these girls are forced into doing porn due to economic hardship or tricked into doing a hardcore scene. These girls can stop the scene anytime they want" To which I would reply "Or can they?" Click to expand OK. So where are all the victims? We've heard a few say they didn't have a good time and wouldn't do it again but that doesn't necessarily mean it was nonconsensual. There are girls who do one vanilla porn scene and decide porn isn't for them. Are they all victims too? Believe me. I'm not a fan of this site but as some folks say, it is what it is. They don't hide how unpleasant their shit is. You can see it in any of their previews. Would we even be having this conversation about boxing? Lets say a new boxer gets hit harder than he thought he would or his opponent doesn't stop pummeling him when he's supposed to. That's life as a boxer. You know what you're getting into and if you don't, you learn the hard way. The first time I saw "Facial Abuse" in a Google search, I knew (more or less) exactly what it was. Just the name should be enough to scare women who aren't into that shit. I know plenty of women myself and I don't know many stupid ones. Women know what it's all about when they see "Facial Abuse" on a web page. "I bent my wookie" Click to expand You might want to see somebody about that. [Link]
StillHope Deactivated User "You didn't say Car Ram Rod" 149 Posts 2/06	Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 2:15AM Sorry, the "Or Can They" was a direct quote from another post my friend AstroGlide, I mean LubenLuv did on another topic. I seriously should have made that point more clear, I know they can stop the scene. BTW, once again I stared into the eyes of my man Gary B. before reading your post. You win the internet for the most awesome avatar ever. The Bent My Wookie is a Simpsons quote from Ralph Wiggum. As far as the boxer goes, good analogy, but like all of them, slightly flawed. Boxing is boxing. Rough sex scenes can span the spectrum. Rodney D. once said: "My doctor, Vinny Bombats, you know em? He tells me that me and wife should talk more after sex, so now she calls me from the hotel room. I tell ya, no respect, no respect at all" Click to expand [Link]
melt Pornstar Diplomat The pride of Manchester 3763 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 4:33AM I am amazed at how this thread has raised such differing emotions in a number of members posting here. Some have given the topic serious thought and analysis in order to try and put their finger onto why we either accept that the girls knew what they were getting into or the opposing opinion that the rough bullying was excessive and even cruel. My conclusion is that it all depends on who the female talent is. If for example it was Gina or Mackenzee that is fine as they knew exactly what was expected going in and just how far they would allow themselves to be bullied before saying "Hey WTF" - on the other hand the relative new girls dont really know how to handle themselves in these situations so when things start getting excessive that is when the "real" crying and emotional scarring occurs. They are vulnerable because of their inexperience and are therefore easily exploited and persuaded to do things that more experienced stars would never accept. Experienced and strong stars can handle this type of shoot but newbies need to be warned by their agents that this type of shoot may just change their views on what they thought porn was like. The trauma of this type of abuse may just put them off ever doing any further work in the porn industry. Edited by - melt on 7/8/2009 10:32:18 AM [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 8:48AM StillHope wrote: I seriously should have made that point more clear, I know they can stop the scene. Click to expand I don't know that they can. I'm just a viewer. I assume that they can. If by some chance they can't, if they're really upset about it, that is something they need to address themselves. I have to assume these people are as mature as their ages would suggest. I have to assume they would try and do something about it if something unexpected happened and they were angry enough about it. As far as the boxer goes, good analogy, but like all of them, slightly flawed. Boxing is boxing. Rough sex scenes can span the spectrum. Click to expand The spectrum of what? It seems like to me that it's a fine analogy. Or would be if there wasn't a double standard between men and women and sex and everything else. If a male boxer gets slugged in a face and knocked unconscious, so what? If a female working for a sex site called "Facial Abuse" didn't know it was going to be rough and probably unpleasant, some folks want to make a federal case out of it. Hell, I'll go as far as to say if there was no sex involved and we were talking about two women kickboxing each other's brains out, nobody would have a single complaint unless it didn't last long enough or they didn't see any blood. Like I said, double standard between sex and everything else. If it was two men, as long as nobody died, who would care? [Link]
MrTibbs Member 372 Posts 7/09	Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 11:54AM RandomPrecision wrote: StillHope wrote: As far as the boxer goes, good analogy, but like all of them, slightly flawed. Boxing is boxing. Rough sex scenes can span the spectrum. Click to expand The spectrum of what? It seems like to me that it's a fine analogy. Click to expand Gotta side with StillHope here, it's a pretty flawed analogy. Boxing involves punching, right? "Abuse" in boxing involves what, an excess of punching? (Mike Tyson's penchant for ears notwithstanding)... Rough sex "abuse" can involve gagging, inducing vomiting through gagging, smearing said vomit on the performer's face, forcing a dick down the performer's throat, keeping a dick in the performer's mouth and pinching her nostrils cutting off her air supply, upside-down face fucking that can cause phlegm, vomit or semen to fill her nostrils and even cause inhalation of said fluids, pinching, slapping, choking, choking in conjunction with gagging, forcing the performers face into the male talent's filthy ass, and of course any degree of hair pulling necessary to facilitate these things. And this is just oral sex-related abuse. I could probably think of more, but I don't typically watch this kind of porn. You said that you knew exactly what to expect from the name "Facial Abuse" and presume that others would (or should). Well I've been watching porn for just about as long as some of these younger performers have been alive and I honestly did not know what to expect. Maybe I'm just incredibly naive, but I don't think the "what part of 'abuse' didn't you understand" argument is a very valid one. [Link]
RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06	Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 1:21PM MrTibbs wrote: You said that you knew exactly what to expect from the name "Facial Abuse" and presume that others would (or should). Well I've been watching porn for just about as long as some of these younger performers have been alive and I honestly did not know what to expect. Maybe I'm just incredibly naive, but I don't think the "what part of 'abuse' didn't you understand" argument is a very valid one. Click to expand You don't? Let me put it as simply as I possibly can. Let's say I give you a phone call and ask you if you'd like to come over to my house for some facial abuse. Does that sound like fun to you? [Link]

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kaiser1one
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Posted - Jun 28 2009 : 5:10PM

I've seen clippets of the sight on the net and its always showing the chicks crying supposedly due to the guys slamming them during anal sex. Is this site legit with that???? Or is it just a big ol fake-o crying??? Cause I'm starting to suspect its fake.

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skronker
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Posted - Jun 28 2009 : 11:22PM

They're all finger puppets.

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melt
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Posted - Jun 29 2009 : 4:56AM

All porn is acting and fantasy but having chatted to one or two of the female participants on Facialabuse it is apparently a rough experience being treated in such a degrading way and they were certain about one thing they were not going back for seconds despite the money being good. Its a pity Duke has been banned he could have told you more colourfully than I his opinion regarding what happens on his site.

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ganderso
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Posted - Jun 30 2009 : 9:07AM

I discussed this once with Tecey Heart who was on that site a year or two ago and she related that what you saw in her appearance on there was VERY real. Money was very good but she wouldn't do it again.

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ma meeshka
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Posted - Jun 30 2009 : 9:14AM

yeah, it's real...
... real SHIT!

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Ramsey
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Posted - Jun 30 2009 : 3:03PM

Somebody should give these guys a serious beating!

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lilmissmackenzeepierce
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Posted - Jul 1 2009 : 11:47PM

hey guys, from my experience its "ROLE" i played, i knew what i was getting into, the money was good, but i wouldnt do it again. they have "safe words" in case you either A: are in serious pain, torn, hurt, etc or B: decided you mentally cant get through it... they do try and talk you in to finishing the scene. I used the safe word because i cant stand puke(which the face f*ck you till you gag) they offered to just be done with the throat gagging and i was fine... i knew it was just another role i was playing, so i tuned out the spitting and name calling...
"im the girl your mother warned you about"

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 2 2009 : 1:19AM

@ lilmissmackenzeepierce -
Let me just say that although sometimes (Ok, often) I find your posts a little angry, I (for one) do appreciate your candor.

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lilmissmackenzeepierce
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Posted - Jul 2 2009 : 2:01AM

well i could see that, im just very very literal and very abrasive but deep down... no not even deep down, in general i am a sweet fun loving goofy girl
"im the girl your mother warned you about"

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Randomizer
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Posted - Jul 2 2009 : 2:10AM

@ RandomPrecision & lilmissmackenzeepierce: The more truth (& less marketing) we can get in these forums the better.
While I'm always looking for genuine "damn I've never seen that on camera before" moments... seeing girls crying is never arousing.

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Ramsey
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Posted - Jul 2 2009 : 6:08AM

Max Hardcore is in jail and those jokers from facialabuse are running around free? Doesn't seem right to me!

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MrTibbs
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 3:49AM

I would really enjoy watching that actually.
Far as I'm concerned, real or not, these guys make porn for men who hate women. You can argue that folks like this are a niche market that deserve their brand of porn too, but isn't it ultimately bad for the industry as a whole? If there are seasoned pros who say they wouldn't do it again, what does that tell you about the not so experienced girls they feature? You gotta wonder how many potentially brilliant porn careers have been nipped in the bud by stuff like this.

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Hannah Westxxx
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 3:50AM

ugh.. this is my ideal thing to shoot.. must look into it

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melt
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 8:14AM

^ You cant be serious?

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LubeNLuv
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 8:28AM

^^ Why not? It's already been stated here that it is a) good money, b) you can invoke the safe word and end the scene at any time and c) some performers actually like a challenge.
Would you deny a performer the right to make money just because it doesn't match with your ideals? Why not just move along and not buy/watch that scene/vid instead?

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melt
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 9:41AM

^ If you seriously think Hannah is likely to take advice from you or I regarding where and for whom she works then you have a highly inflated opinion of what influence you think you exercise on a forum where members only have the right to express their opinions in a polite and civil way. Perhaps you need to chill and accept that not all will necesarily agree with your opinion.

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Ramsey
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 11:42AM

That's pretty fucked up. A girl gets raped on screen and you enjoy that shit?

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 11:45AM

^ I think you completely misread that.

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Ramsey
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 11:49AM

My mistake, I thought he actually enjoyed the crying scene but yes, those guys deserve a beating because I hate the way they try to break down a girl like that!

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realtip
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 12:22PM

^I'll just repeat back to you the same thing you said to me when I complained that I don't like foot fetish movies:
Don't watch it.

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Ramsey
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 1:50PM

There's a big difference, in a foot-fetish movie nobody is being abused to a point of being raped. It vexes me that Max Hardcore is in jail while that POS Duke Skywalker is running around free!

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LubeNLuv
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 3:14PM

Ramsey, I think you need to understand why Max is in prison. I assure you, it has nothing to do with abuse or rape. He is serving his 4 years on a conviction entirely built on obscenity charges.
And I'm sure he won't be the last pornographer indicted for such, either. All it takes is one closed mind to a particular fetish to rule it as "obscene" by community standards. Wherever that community happens to be.
Edited by - LubenLuv on 7/6/2009 3:14:46 PM

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Hannah Westxxx
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 11:16PM

i've now changed my mind..
rape?
wait.. I was just going for the whole major skull fucking

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 6 2009 : 11:28PM

How do you know the girls in foot fetish movies aren't completely repulsed? My sister hates feet and once dumped a guy because he wanted to suck on her toes. She said it was the most disgusting thing she could think of.
Edited by - randomprecision on 7/6/2009 11:28:36 PM

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Gunzo
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 1:23AM

I don't watch this kind of stuff, because for every freaky girl who's into very rough and degredation there's probably like 9 who're not. And there's plenty of strong porn out there so what's the need to push it any further, just because it's possible?
How all porn is just fantasy is bullshit. Over-cynical or as a way to defend what is basically violent porn.

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The Juicer
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 2:01AM

I have a real serious problem with the way Facial Abuse has been produced in the last few years , it hasnt changed much from the standard straight sex scenes involving a lot of hardcore guy-girl abuse. While I think that totally degrading sexy slutty pornstars and amateur girls with a lot of heavy face spitting, slapping, thunder throatfucking and anal/pussy raping is a real erotic turn-on...its also gotten really really boring and predictable right people??
I really wish that Duke Skywalker would consider making a very hot nasty all-girl lesbian version of Facial Abuse, the new name should be called "DYKE ABUSE".
On DYKE ABUSE, there would be some sexy pornstar bitch who would play the new role of "Duke". She would control the action behind the camera, ordering her 4-6 sexy slutty lesbo teammates to basically, slap & spit on a hot sexy "whore", while degrading her. Then lots of wet pussy/asshole fisting, licking, sucking and even deep pussy eating. After all that wild lesbo action is done, add some serious oiled-up strap-on fucking into the whore's pussy and asshole really good and hard. So good, it makes the whore squirt her pussy juice, all over the faces and mouths of the pussy hungry teammates just wanting to drink all that wet pink juice. After half an hour of relentless lesbian girl on girl abuse action , all done in a very calm casual relaxing way inside some cheap studio....the DYKE and her TEAMMATES would all piss ( yes I said urinate ) into a giant plastic clear funnel and the sexy nasty WHORE would basically drink all that female piss and swallow it down. Then followed by 20 additional women walking into the room and 5 groups of 4 sluts all gather around in a half circle and basically piss all over the WHORE again, until all 20 have done their dirty wet lesbian pissing deeds all over the WHORE'S face, eyes , mouth, hair, tits and shes just completely soaked in wet girly piss piss piss piss piss and more piss...then if all that wasnt enough for you to handle..
The same 20 EXTRAS plus the 4-6 TEAMMATES all stand in line and SPIT on the whore while calling her very nasty things like the common: bitch, slut, whore, cunt, rape victim , lesbo.....having no sympathy for the dumb whore who wanted to participate in DYKE ABUSE. After its all done
The original DYKE would calmly interview the WHORE , if she really liked her experience , why she did it ....and if she wanted to come back
Heres the catch...
While shes getting interviewed by the DYKE , the 4-6 lesbo TEAMMATES would all walk up to her, piss on her fucking nasty face , while shes trying hard to answer the DYKE'S questions.
NO MEN, NO MUSIC, NO FAKE LESBIAN SEX , NOTHING
BUT JUST PURE ALL-GIRL NASTY ABUSE ACTION. Now thats what Duke Skywalker or someother female porn fetish director needs to start doing .
Facial Abuse, as well as Latina Abuse and Ghetto Gaggers will always be an original, but its time to step outside of the male-female fetish and start focusing equally on hot lesbian girl-girl action.
Think of it as Duke Skywalker's Facial Abuse + Kink.com's WhippedAss = DYKE ABUSE

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 2:04AM

^ Somehow, I doubt more abuse is going to endear "Mr. Skywalker" to his loyal detractors. Or maybe it will. Who knows?

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Loraine
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1559 Posts
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:26AM

The Juicer wrote:
I have a real serious problem with the way Facial Abuse has been produced in the last few years , it hasnt changed much from the standard straight sex scenes involving a lot of hardcore guy-girl abuse. While I think that totally degrading sexy slutty pornstars and amateur girls with a lot of heavy face spitting, slapping, thunder throatfucking and anal/pussy raping is a real erotic turn-on...its also gotten really really boring and predictable right people??
I really wish that Duke Skywalker would consider making a very hot nasty all-girl lesbian version of Facial Abuse, the new name should be called "DYKE ABUSE".
On DYKE ABUSE, there would be some sexy pornstar bitch who would play the new role of "Duke". She would control the action behind the camera, ordering her 4-6 sexy slutty lesbo teammates to basically, slap & spit on a hot sexy "whore", while degrading her. Then lots of wet pussy/asshole fisting, licking, sucking and even deep pussy eating. After all that wild lesbo action is done, add some serious oiled-up strap-on fucking into the whore's pussy and asshole really good and hard. So good, it makes the whore squirt her pussy juice, all over the faces and mouths of the pussy hungry teammates just wanting to drink all that wet pink juice. After half an hour of relentless lesbian girl on girl abuse action , all done in a very calm casual relaxing way inside some cheap studio....the DYKE and her TEAMMATES would all piss ( yes I said urinate ) into a giant plastic clear funnel and the sexy nasty WHORE would basically drink all that female piss and swallow it down. Then followed by 20 additional women walking into the room and 5 groups of 4 sluts all gather around in a half circle and basically piss all over the WHORE again, until all 20 have done their dirty wet lesbian pissing deeds all over the WHORE'S face, eyes , mouth, hair, tits and shes just completely soaked in wet girly piss piss piss piss piss and more piss...then if all that wasnt enough for you to handle..
The same 20 EXTRAS plus the 4-6 TEAMMATES all stand in line and SPIT on the whore while calling her very nasty things like the common: bitch, slut, whore, cunt, rape victim , lesbo.....having no sympathy for the dumb whore who wanted to participate in DYKE ABUSE. After its all done
The original DYKE would calmly interview the WHORE , if she really liked her experience , why she did it ....and if she wanted to come back
Heres the catch...
While shes getting interviewed by the DYKE , the 4-6 lesbo TEAMMATES would all walk up to her, piss on her fucking nasty face , while shes trying hard to answer the DYKE'S questions.
NO MEN, NO MUSIC, NO FAKE LESBIAN SEX , NOTHING
BUT JUST PURE ALL-GIRL NASTY ABUSE ACTION. Now thats what Duke Skywalker or someother female porn fetish director needs to start doing .
Facial Abuse, as well as Latina Abuse and Ghetto Gaggers will always be an original, but its time to step outside of the male-female fetish and start focusing equally on hot lesbian girl-girl action.
Think of it as Duke Skywalker's Facial Abuse + Kink.com's WhippedAss = DYKE ABUSE
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Great, another romantic...

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The Juicer
Idiot of the Year

17 Posts
7/09

Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:27AM

well its not supposed to be romantic lesbian lovemaking ok?? Its supposed to be simple hardcore kinky lesbian fetish fun fun fun =)

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BlackSix

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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:48AM

BTW the 'Juicer' is really Mr. Squirt, but he's trying to sound a little more reasonable this time.

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The Juicer
Idiot of the Year

17 Posts
7/09

Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:59AM

thank you =) I am reasonable
im not complaining about no one on the adult industry.
I just want my fantasy to come true
Dyke Abuse
all-girl
hot lesbo sex

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Ramsey
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Trina Michaels fan
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10/02

Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 7:07AM

But she has no problem giving blowjobs? That's disgusting!

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MrTibbs
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 9:19AM

I've probably never even actually seen "real" lesbian sex, but I'm pretty sure it's nothing like what you described in the rest of your post.

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StillHope
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"You didn't say Car Ram Rod"
149 Posts
2/06

Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 12:51PM

While I agree that for some girls it is a role, for most it is a paycheck. Now, I understand they sign a waiver, they are told exactly what is going to happen to them (well, somewhat), but I still think Duke pushes the envelope, especially for the newbies. I am sorry, but I think a genuine "Ouch, Ow, that hurts" should stop any scene, along with genuine crying.
Also, the reason I don't think the girls are told everything is because in Hannah's scene, Duke directs Big Red to turn around and shove his ass in her face. He tells her to eat it and she looks at him and says out loud "Are you serious?" No way she was told ass eating was part of the scene. Also, he commands her to bark like a dog, which she refuses, he literally grabs her head, grits his teeth and says "Fuckin do it, I am not playin around here"
Now, I know rough sex fans will cry "She could have stopped the scene if she wanted to", and again you are right, she could have. But for two seconds realize you are dealing with girls who for the most part have never done a porn before and they really need the money. They think if they refuse to do something that they won't get paid. Think about it, you get throat pumped to the point of puking for 10-15 minutes, then you refuse to eat the guy's ass, and are sent home with no paycheck. If that is what you think will happen, then most likely you are gonna eat the guy's ass even if you don't want to. If the subject had been broached before the scene, none of that would happen.
Finally, the closing interview. I am sorry, I have seen a lot of porn and you can say what you want, Duke is asking those questions to the girl, not the character. "Have you ever felt this degraded in your personal life? Tell us what the most degrading part was. Do you feel like a totally worthless whore now?" All this while 2-4 loads are dripping down her face, and if that weren't enough, they usually add about 4-5 spitwads on there and make her keep the cum on there for way longer than most avg. porn (spare bukkake's).
I am not trying to get them banned or anything, and some of their scene's with the pro's are actually quite good. I am simply saying that unlike Mckenzie Pierce , 70% of those girls are not playing a role.

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LubeNLuv
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1854 Posts
3/06

Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:38PM

I find it absolutely fascinating that so many porn fans believe that the performers are only in porn because they have no choice, are at the end of their financial rope and are more or less forced into taking these kinds of scenes to survive.
Rather than worrying about how many porn performer are being mistreated, I wonder how many porn fans need psychological counseling to deal with their latent guilt for watching porn?

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MrTibbs
Member

372 Posts
7/09

Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:44PM

Yeah, and it could also be that a performer, especially a newbie, might not stop the scene because they might be mentally overwhelmed or in shock. When you're already stressed by a situation like that, convulsing from being choked and puking, trying to catch your breath, etc. and you've got two pricks barking orders at you, I don't think you can be expected to make the most rational decisions. How many rape victims don't scream or call out for help even though that's sort of what you'd expect a person to do? Maybe that's a bit of a stretch, but there's a common element there.

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killbillvol69

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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:50PM

I think in the end the point is this:
These guys are rough. By anyone's standards, these guys get pretty rough. There may be some people who get rougher, but these guys are definitely up there.
They also do things that were not talked about beforehand. But realistically, when you're being insanely rough, a LOT of shit goes on, and it's pretty tough to be able to hash that all out before the scene.
"Can I put my hand in exactly this place on your back while referring to you as a dirty cum-sucking whore at exactly this volume and having exactly this amount of spit coming out of my mouth while holding your head exactly this far above the ground?"
But are the girls ok with it? Well, sometimes yes, and sometimes no.
There are girls who post here on ADT who have done FA.com and said they enjoyed it, even the unexpected parts... and there are girls who post here on ADT who have done FA.com and said they didn't enjoy it, especially because of the unexpected stuff.
The guys of FA.com may do something the woman has not consented to beforehand, but she allows to happen once it's going on. But they also might do something the woman has not consented to beforehand, and she does not consent to it during the scene, and so they stop. But by the time the girl can say she doesn't want it to happen, realistically, the only reason she knows she doesn't want it to happen is because they've already done it to her. So she can't say that she doesn't want it to happen; she can only say she doesn't want it to happen again.
In that sense, it may be just as incorrect to call it consensual as it is to call it non-consensual. This is something else, perhaps somewhere in between the two.

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StillHope
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"You didn't say Car Ram Rod"
149 Posts
2/06

Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 3:54PM

I know I do. Seriously, I am in a bit of a financial pinch, so if you are offering, I will take you up on it. As long as their are no Rorschach Tests. Every time I answer "Brandon Iron's mushroom stamp'n, jaw wirin' good lawd go home and smack you mama Penis", the shrink looks at me puzzled for several moments, then quietly leaves the room.
"you know, rest areas are homosexual hangouts...they're the bath houses of the 90's for many many many gay men"

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realtip
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 4:42PM

It's disgusting... to you. Going back to the foot fetish thing, I complained that I find that disgusting, but you find it to be a turn-on. What's repulsive to one person may be enticing to another.
As for blowjobs, believe it or not, I have heard more than a few women say that they are more turned-off by a guy going down on them than they are by going down on a guy. Indeed, there are plenty of women who, if they had to choose, would prefer to give a guy a BJ than have a guy go down on them. And this is just based on what I've heard several women actually say. So what RandomPrecision says does not sound at all unsual to me. Again, just because something is a turn-off for you doesn't mean it's the same for everybody else.

If you think that, then you obviously miss the point of why people watch the site. It's called FacialAbuse for a reason.

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StillHope
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"You didn't say Car Ram Rod"
149 Posts
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 4:47PM

killbillvol69:
You make many good points. I don't agree with all of them, but you made them rationally and I thank you for that. I would simply say that when dealing with newbies and putting them in such a rough situation, everything does need to be discussed beforehand. Your example is, by any standard a hyperbole.

But whether or not you are going to do oral on a guy's ass is a pretty big deal, not in the same ball park as where you are going to put your hand or how loud you are going to yell. Plus, if they were more aware or respectful of the talent's limits, I just believe they would put out a superior product. But alas, they seem to be doing quite satisfactory in the fiscal area of things.
To sum it up, Pushing a girl to her very limit is one thing, pushing her beyond that is simply another". As another poster here said (Mike something I think) "The problem with train wreck porn is in order to keep the fan base, you have to create bigger and bigger train wrecks"...at the expense of the talent.

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LubeNLuv
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 5:11PM

""The problem with train wreck porn is in order to keep the fan base, you have to create bigger and bigger train wrecks"...at the expense of the talent."
And yet anal was a novelty and pretty rare 20 years ago. Today, it's commonplace.
Yes, times change. Porn needs to change to keep up with it. Consumers seem to be VERY addicted to "reality" or "extreme" anything these days, mainstream or porn. FacialAbuse, while not my own cup of tea (I do enjoy very rough sex but not as a spectator), obviously hits the "extreme" category pretty well right now and depending on your perspectives perhaps even the "reality" segment as well, particularly if you believe that much of it is non-scripted perversion and debauchery.
But not EVERY porn viewer likes change and there are those who like the softer stuff. Vivid built a whole freakin' empire on that, and the gonzo stuff seems to have taken strong hold everywhere else to push garden-variety hardcore.
But just as porn changes, so do the performers. As evidenced by at least some performers in this thread, some see extreme porn as a challenge....go the extra mile past the boundaries and get the extra money. How is this any different than signing up as a contestant on Survivor knowing you'll have to be eating bugs to make the final episode? That isn't in the script either.....or is it???

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StillHope
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 5:25PM

First off... major props for the ..."Or is it". Secondly, your avatar quote about tying up some loose ends, awesomely funny.
Thirdly, I think this argument is turning into a Billy Preston song "Will It Go Round in Circles?"
I could bring up the tired old hyperbolic "But consumers also have a taste for kiddie porn and snuff" to which you would of course
(and correctly) "Don't compare rough sex to snuff or kiddie porn" to which I could reply
"It was only a hyperbole to prove a point that we can't always depend on consumer's tastes to be the driving force. Capitalism is great with the proper restrictions (such as the Sherman Anti-Trust) but unbridled capitalism can descend into anarchy"
To which you would smartly reply "It amazes me how many of you guys think these girls are forced into doing porn due to economic hardship or tricked into doing a hardcore scene. These girls can stop the scene anytime they want"
To which I would reply "Or can they?" And just like this post, the topic would indeed go round in circles. Somebody call Billy Preston.
"I bent my wookie"

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LubeNLuv
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 5:30PM

Fair 'nuff. Or one of us could just say "Nazi" and thereby finish this thread quickly by invoking Godwin's Law.
But given the emotions that often are exhibited in these types of threads, I'm sure another one just like it will pop up within a few days.
......race you there?

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Ramsey
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 6:00PM

It's not just the rough part, it's the way they mentally try to break down the girls to the point of crying and that's the part I don't like!

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 8:45PM

Hey. I was just pointing out that what's great for one woman might not be so great for another and your condemnation of rough sex is sheer hypocrisy as long as you expect porn chicks to do anything that's off the beaten path. How do you know they wouldn't rather get their ass spanked or their throat fucked than to have their feet played with? You are projecting your thoughts and emotions onto them. You could be right but you could just as easily be wrong. As I have said many times, I have no choice but to assume these girls do a small amount of research if they're not sure about what they're getting into. I have to trust their judgment. I'm a passive viewer. All I can do is count on them to behave like adults.
Edited by - randomprecision on 7/7/2009 9:16:51 PM

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Posted - Jul 7 2009 : 9:46PM

OK. So where are all the victims? We've heard a few say they didn't have a good time and wouldn't do it again but that doesn't necessarily mean it was nonconsensual. There are girls who do one vanilla porn scene and decide porn isn't for them. Are they all victims too?
Believe me. I'm not a fan of this site but as some folks say, it is what it is. They don't hide how unpleasant their shit is. You can see it in any of their previews. Would we even be having this conversation about boxing? Lets say a new boxer gets hit harder than he thought he would or his opponent doesn't stop pummeling him when he's supposed to. That's life as a boxer. You know what you're getting into and if you don't, you learn the hard way.
The first time I saw "Facial Abuse" in a Google search, I knew (more or less) exactly what it was. Just the name should be enough to scare women who aren't into that shit. I know plenty of women myself and I don't know many stupid ones. Women know what it's all about when they see "Facial Abuse" on a web page.

You might want to see somebody about that.

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StillHope
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Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 2:15AM

Sorry, the "Or Can They" was a direct quote from another post my friend AstroGlide, I mean LubenLuv did on another topic. I seriously should have made that point more clear, I know they can stop the scene.
BTW, once again I stared into the eyes of my man Gary B. before reading your post. You win the internet for the most awesome avatar ever.
The Bent My Wookie is a Simpsons quote from Ralph Wiggum.
As far as the boxer goes, good analogy, but like all of them, slightly flawed. Boxing is boxing. Rough sex scenes can span the spectrum.

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melt
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Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 4:33AM

I am amazed at how this thread has raised such differing emotions in a number of members posting here. Some have given the topic serious thought and analysis in order to try and put their finger onto why we either accept that the girls knew what they were getting into or the opposing opinion that the rough bullying was excessive and even cruel.
My conclusion is that it all depends on who the female talent is. If for example it was Gina or Mackenzee that is fine as they knew exactly what was expected going in and just how far they would allow themselves to be bullied before saying "Hey WTF" - on the other hand the relative new girls dont really know how to handle themselves in these situations so when things start getting excessive that is when the "real" crying and emotional scarring occurs. They are vulnerable because of their inexperience and are therefore easily exploited and persuaded to do things that more experienced stars would never accept.
Experienced and strong stars can handle this type of shoot but newbies need to be warned by their agents that this type of shoot may just change their views on what they thought porn was like. The trauma of this type of abuse may just put them off ever doing any further work in the porn industry.
Edited by - melt on 7/8/2009 10:32:18 AM

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RandomPrecision
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Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 8:48AM

I don't know that they can. I'm just a viewer. I assume that they can. If by some chance they can't, if they're really upset about it, that is something they need to address themselves. I have to assume these people are as mature as their ages would suggest. I have to assume they would try and do something about it if something unexpected happened and they were angry enough about it.

The spectrum of what? It seems like to me that it's a fine analogy. Or would be if there wasn't a double standard between men and women and sex and everything else. If a male boxer gets slugged in a face and knocked unconscious, so what? If a female working for a sex site called "Facial Abuse" didn't know it was going to be rough and probably unpleasant, some folks want to make a federal case out of it.
Hell, I'll go as far as to say if there was no sex involved and we were talking about two women kickboxing each other's brains out, nobody would have a single complaint unless it didn't last long enough or they didn't see any blood. Like I said, double standard between sex and everything else. If it was two men, as long as nobody died, who would care?

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Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 11:54AM

Gotta side with StillHope here, it's a pretty flawed analogy. Boxing involves punching, right? "Abuse" in boxing involves what, an excess of punching? (Mike Tyson's penchant for ears notwithstanding)... Rough sex "abuse" can involve gagging, inducing vomiting through gagging, smearing said vomit on the performer's face, forcing a dick down the performer's throat, keeping a dick in the performer's mouth and pinching her nostrils cutting off her air supply, upside-down face fucking that can cause phlegm, vomit or semen to fill her nostrils and even cause inhalation of said fluids, pinching, slapping, choking, choking in conjunction with gagging, forcing the performers face into the male talent's filthy ass, and of course any degree of hair pulling necessary to facilitate these things. And this is just oral sex-related abuse. I could probably think of more, but I don't typically watch this kind of porn. You said that you knew exactly what to expect from the name "Facial Abuse" and presume that others would (or should). Well I've been watching porn for just about as long as some of these younger performers have been alive and I honestly did not know what to expect. Maybe I'm just incredibly naive, but I don't think the "what part of 'abuse' didn't you understand" argument is a very valid one.

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Posted - Jul 8 2009 : 1:21PM

You don't? Let me put it as simply as I possibly can. Let's say I give you a phone call and ask you if you'd like to come over to my house for some facial abuse. Does that sound like fun to you?

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