^ true Valentina Nappi wanted to rim them badly during her scene for dogfart but they didn't allow her , non even after the end , Rico even flee from the setI don't know ,all the major Italian pornstars did IR , Rocco has at least one IR scene in his movies. In a BTS while sucking both Rocco and Mike Chapman when requested to say what was the difference Valentina Nappi was unable to even understand the question , her face totally confused at one point she begun to tell the difference in flavour and texture , but Rocco insisted and she asked: what do you mean? Then Rocco gave up. She was still confused didn't even grasp he meant a white dick compared to a black one she was unable to "see" the difference.
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Posted - May 26 2014 : 7:37PM
sara tommasi was a model/showgirl who ventured into porn and had black guys in her first movie.
^ Yes and the director cut off most of it the gui wasn't very good was an amateur apparently not a professional , left his cumshot though into her mouth wide open , she also did anal and a DP . Sara Tommasi had a Degree in economics at Università Bocconi di Milano who is possibly the most important College in Italy about Economics ,some Italian Prime Ministers and Secretaries for Economics had a degree from there. Nadia Macrì was one of Berlusconi's escorts who then did some porn and did IR in her second movie with Omar Williams Vittoria Risi did with Omar too and was very eager to get his dick as down as possible in her throat Not sure about Roberta Gemma she did very few scenes when was in Miami but was fucking Josh Stone while there, I never seen her performing IR in a movie, but then again I didn't see all her movies Sara Ferrari and Monella both did anal with Omar Williams Claudia Antonelli didn't but she did 6 movies only with some lesbian scenes Edited by - LCF on 5/27/2014 7:48:34 AM
I read this article by Brandi Love this other day and personally i found it a bit interesting but ultimately i felt that she missed the point. I would like to know what you guys think. http://www.brandichat.com/my-hotwife-diary-entries/brandi-bbc/2013/12/05/
^Thanks for that. She has a valid point about not wanting to be dominated or degraded. She mostly works with Girlfriends. The hetero companies she works with most are Naughty, Brazzers, and Porn Fidelity which are mostly shot from a female-dominant POV with young men. So I'll give her that. Not everyone is into the rougher type of scenario seen in some Evil Angel flicks. But to say that all Black actors or black companies do that is ludicrous. Dogfart's Blacks on Cougars series for instance was fairly female-dominant.
by the way, here's the BrandiChat link made clickable The reasons that she lists from that Daily Beast article have all been gone over a million times here at ADT. So I understand that she's exasperated from the back and forth.
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Posted - May 27 2014 : 12:42PM
Brandi wrote:If that is her only concern, she could have done her first IR a long time ago and multiple times since. As Brandi well knows, not every black performer does what she complains about and some of those who do only do so depending on what the scene calls for. Does Brandi really think that fans who want her to do IR would complain if she shot with Mandingo, who basically shoots vanilla scenes and isn't likely to call her a "white bitch"? Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/27/2014 12:44:00 PM
^ I've never heard him say that , Sean Michaels is another, but sometimes even though it's not in the scene it is in the description of it or on the DVD cover , Zoe Voss ceased to perform IR because of that, though after that she did another IR scene in a Nica Noelle's movie with Mickey Mod , a scene she was sure would never be marketed in desrespect of her or her race.
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Posted - May 27 2014 : 4:18PM
That is why I'm mildly suspicious of Brandi's argument. She says that size and other factors are not at issue, but that she just doesn't want to be treated roughly and called names. Fine, then Mandingo is her man. DVD titles and marketing are out of her control and she'd be nitpicking to complain about them. I do give Brandi credit for giving a not entirely unreasonable explanation of why she hasn't done IR. Personally I'm indifferent to whether or not she does IR, though if she did I'd probably watch the scene. Actually it's performers who, unlike Brandi, like to be dominated in their scenes that I'm most interested in seeing film IR.
^ Leya Falcon is your woman then Anyway she put the means to call her out
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The more concerning issue for me however is this: These articles insinuate that if a white woman is not willing to sleep with a black male it’s racist. That is simply outrageous. I guess we should all be forced to sleep with a black man to prove we aren’t? There is something warped about their mindset.
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I've said this many times here , it's become impossible to say no to a black man apparentlySaid this already I really can't understand what a woman who sleep with a black woman is considered racist if she doesn't sleep with a black man
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Posted - May 27 2014 : 5:26PM
Well, in the US white men have always been able to have sex with black women with minimal or no social repercussions, while for most of American history if a black man so much as flirted with a white woman he was quite literally risking his life. Even though we are talking about two women shooting a scene together, I think that the historical experience I described influences the way a scene like Miss Titness America (Brandi Love's scene with Diamond Jackson) is perceived by some black viewers. I wouldn't argue that it's a reasonable way to think but I understand it.
^ I'm beginning to understand only now why I often don't get some issues at hand regarding blacks in the USA .When I say black I mean his/her complexion, most Europeans do so as well, to me "mixed" is nonsensical, a complexion might be either black or pale with all the shades in the middle , if someone is dark I'd call him black, if he's pale he's white. I don't even think people as races , to me a black is a person with a dark complexion. When I read here that Skin Diamond (and others) is not black I really don't get it ,there's no a "Mixed" colour (black mixed with white would give grey)also mixed is undetermined If I have to say to a cop how was the running robber I wouldn't say "mixed" I'd say either black or white (or Asian maybe), Mixed means nothing Edited by - LCF on 5/27/2014 5:43:28 PM
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Posted - May 27 2014 : 5:53PM
^Then you have to work harder to not look at (and judge) everything through your prism. You may not get the dynamic, but plenty of Europeans do, especially the ones who've lived here.
^ I'm not sure I want to, I mean I can't possibly look at everything and everyone with coloured lens and only see races around me , I actually do prefer to see men and women. I have no doubt with time I'd think that way too, but hope not if I can help
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Let me address a few things about Miss Brandi Love's Blog post. First off, she conveniently excuses the issue surrounding the agents and their seedy 'no-IR' agenda. This has nothing to do with the performer per se, her decision is being orchestrated by the agent(in Aurora Snow's article, that's the first thing she addresses; refuse work with any black MALE performer period, no excuse giving. However, this same standard does apply to black female performers though. As Monica Foster(retired black female performer)said, their not even inquired by the agent about working with white men. Secondly, the fact the she did a scene with a black women means nothing because interracial as defined in the U.S. porn market as a black male with a white female. It's very confusing to say your generally not attracted to blacks but do a scene with a black women but not a black man. To LCF's point, the U.S. porn industry is a microcosm of the corrupt culture at large. Several white female performers have worked with black women whilst refusing to work with black men (Alexis Texas being one of them). How confusing for the outsider must that be? heh....But understanding the history of racism in America with address any confusion, because it wasn't black women being sold off during slavery for not only sleeping with (or should I say RAPED!!) but procreating with the white male slaver holder. It wasn't the black women being hanged, shot or burned for having sexual relations with a white man during reconstruction/nadir of american race relations and the height of Jim Crow. But if a black man even looked at white women the wrong way he could be killed, as it turned out. America has always had a irrational fear of the black man and his potential sexual relations with a white women. So it's no surprise that many white female stars with excuse every eligible black male performer, but happily do a scene with a black female. It's clearly as strategic move on the of the agent, and thus that's were the real issue lies.
While admittedly to kill someone for just look at a woman in a way deemed bad is certainly not excusable , I don't think it was just "fear" of the black men , EVERY CULTURE has limited the freedom of women to choose their partner , and has ALWAYS tried to restrict the action of ANY foreigner and even fellow citizens , Ancient Greeks had their women limited in their houses. Roman women were more free. In middle ages if a lesser citizen looked to a noble woman in a lusty way he would have been at least flogged if not killed , no differently than the black slave. Today many culture STILL are segregationists toward women who have limited freedom. It was jealousy in a social way , a behaviour meant to protect the descendant , by stopping women it would have been more likely the sons were of the legal husband. Also marriages have always been a mean for alliances among families of course a woman who had a son out of marriage would have been dishonoured , even though her husband may have faked it was his , couldn't do that if the father was black ,too apparent.
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Posted - May 28 2014 : 5:27PM
Indeed. An aristocratic Southern male would likely not permit his daughter to date a white trash boy. I could even imagine the girl's brothers warning such an undesirable suitor to stay away and maybe even assaulting him if he persisted. What they wouldn't do is purposely beat him to death, burn him, or lynch him. Look up Emmett Till on Google. Blacks were treated in a unique manner due to the pigmentation of their skin, something that I would argue is unparalleled in any of the societies you mentioned. Edited by - misspornUSA on 5/28/2014 6:50:06 PM
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Posted - May 28 2014 : 5:32PM
I believe interracial marriage has been legally sanctioned in England since the 1800s. While, in the US, interracial mixing did occur, however it was kept under wraps, because you could be killed for looking at a white woman the wrong way.
^ It was equally done for every slave , in ancient Rome a black Aristocratic or Knight could kill his white slave if this latter would try (or his owner thought he did) to seduce his wife or daughter or maybe even another slave meant to be sold virgin. The real difference is that in the USA slavery was racial therefore even freed a slave was always seen as a lesser being , whereas in Rome a freed slave would be a citizen and nothing would have stopped him , Horatius one of the most prominent and influential poets in Rome was son of a freed slave (Libertus) The Aristocrats would look at a libertus as a troubled at best, yet none of them would even think to limit his citizenship's rights
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Posted - May 28 2014 : 5:46PM
Exactly, Asians, Mestizos (Latinos) and to some extent American Indians were not burned, lynch or had their whole entire town(s) burned down (Black Wall Street ) for having sexual relations with white.
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Posted - May 28 2014 : 5:48PM
Which is further proof of the absurdity of transatlantic slavery, and how it injected the first seeds of what we now know as RACISM!
They weren't slave AFAIK , though I'm not sure in other parts of American Continent it was the same as in the USA for them Edited by - LCF on 5/28/2014 5:52:23 PM
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Posted - May 28 2014 : 7:35PM
Yeah, Asians faced heavy discrimination, maybe not outright lynching, but they were barred from marrying whites on the West Coast where they settled. Latinos had yet to be a major minority group in the US at that time, but if they were I bet they would have faced discrimination. Blacks were the most abundant minority group, and they faced most of the hatred however. The treatment of blacks in the USA was unusually harsh compared to other former slaveholding countries like Brazil, Dominican Republic, and Puerto Rico.
Some Native Americans were enslaved. But, relative to African slavery, it was not in the same numbers. Of course, that's not to say Native Americans exactly had it easy in this country...
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I find it hard to decipher who had it the worst: Native Indians or Black Americans. IN OTHER NEWS, BLACKED.COM A NEW SITE DEDICATED TO INTERRACIAL PORN HAS BE DISCOVERED BY LCF. THE SITE FEATURES YOUNG DÉBUTANTES WHO OTHERWISE WOULD NOT CONTEMPLATE INTERRACIAL SCENES. STARS LIKE JUILIAN JANSON, LACEY JOHNSON, NATASHA WHITE AND THE UNBELIEVABLE KEISHA GREY, HAVE ALL TAKING THEIR FIRST IR PLUNGE!!! Edited by - Tobyedison on 5/29/2014 11:10:17 AM Edited by - Tobyedison on 5/29/2014 11:13:41 AM
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When u think of how many scenes u skip over. Tons. Why? Because u took one look at the woman and said to yourself not my type. Not many ugly women in porn. But u just say. I don't care for her. Now imagine u r a male talent. Like her look or not u fuck her and get paid. Same for the woman. Most guys in porn are fit but I am certain not every woman is attracted to her partners look. But she fucks him anyhow. It's the job. So I don't get why a woman would fuck what she considers an "unattractive" white man and not think twice. But oh he could be the black brad Pitt and she says no?! Explanation??
Yeah the thread asked whether IR porn was an issue worldwide, and I think we've answered that, for the most part, no, it isn't. Does this even need to stay open? I'll leave it open for now, but expect this to be closed soon. Especially if anything goes off topic.
^ Yes. and I apologize as I was one of those who went off on a tangent with the Brandi Love thing. That could have gone into another IR thread. Like I said, it had been, up to that point, very interesting to hear about this topic from an international POV. Someday, I believe we will be able to have a rational discussion about women who don't do IR...
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....and what would that entail? Edited by - Tobyedison on 6/1/2014 12:01:04 PM
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I was told I couldn't make a dodger thread, so lets discuss here reasons why girls dodge
A history of slavery, racism and segregation that still goes on. Just take a look at the census maps of major US cities http://www.businessinsider.com/most-segregated-cities-census-maps-2013-4?op=1 then take a look at how most US made IR porn is made and how much is consumed by white males. Personally I'm latino, but I can pretty much not watch any US made IR porn, it's just insulting, I can however watch all the euro made IR porn I can shake my stick at and not feel like I'm being beaten over the head with "this is how black guys dress, act and sound, saying bitch every other word and never shutting up about their dick".
Ok LCF and others, I will say that foreign girls are more open to IR, but it's still a big deal. Lets say IR was an option, meaning they can put it on their model card. I do believe it would similar to America. Many wouldn't do IR. Foreign girls have that, "fuck anyone put in front of you mentality." A lot of them have no clue that the guy is going to be black or whatever. They aren't even asked about race. They know it's a job, and their suppose to do that job. I think 1 big problem Billy Watson aka Blacks on blondes had when they went over there is an American mentality. They actually asked agents if certain girls did interracial or not. They never should have asked that question. They should have booked any girl they wanted and simply have them show up on set. Next time Blacks on blondes goes over they should remember that. Like I said it's all about choice and mentality. Lets take Misha Cross(Poland) for instance. I believe she did blowjob IR overseas, but she comes here and doesn't want to do interracial. This is clearly her choice and not agent. Agent Atmla allows their foreign talent to shoot interracial as they please. I don't think she knew the guy would be black overseas, nor did they ask her about doing IR. She showed up on set and the scene happened. She never had intercourse with him though. Again when they know they have the choice to choose by race, some will like when she came to America. some None IR foreign girls I think: Natasha Juja, Mya Diamond, Breanne Benson, Puma Swede, Cindy Behr, Charlyse Angel, Crystal Pink, Eva May, Gabriela Glazer, Gemma Massey, India Babe, Kit Lee, Lou Lou, Louise Jenson, Syren Sexton, Tammie Lee, Victoria Rush, Linsey McKenzie, Cora Carina, Linda Murray, Madlin, Nikky Thorne, Sharon Lee, Alice Romain, Charry, Colette Simon, Nataly Von, Krystal Boyd, abbie cat, Aida Sweet, Angel Pink, Tara Pink, Bellina, Stella Delcroix Cindy Hope, Kyra Black, Nataly Von, Bella Baby, Laura Crystal. Sophie Lynx ect.. they don't seem to be willing to answer questions about it, but if they were open to it. I bet if you asked Misha cross, Breanne Benson, Charlyse Angel, and sienna day, they will tell you that there are a large number of euro girls that do and large number that don't. half and half maybe, which is better than U.S.A. In America there are more that don't according producers. You will find a large list of foreign girls that haven't done IR if you search IAFD.
IAFD misses the most part of Euro movies and tons of web only scenes , Mya Diamond did in fact IR with Kid Jamaica for Sandy , actually it was a threesome and Sandy was in there too, though Sandy only sucked him . Mya did possibly another but I'm not sure of it. Krystal Boyd aka Abby aka Anjelica performs with her boyfriend EXCLUSIVELY (or solo or lesbo) of course refuses IR as would do with anybody else , it has nothing to do with races Besides for most Euro actress you have to track down all their Stage names and check out all the websites they worked for as very few websites are devoted to IR , the most part just shoot everything and put it on often without even bothering to say it's an IR scene It's difficult even for me Edited by - LCF on 6/10/2014 7:00:18 PM
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Posted - Jun 10 2014 : 7:08PM
in parts of Europe girls will do porn to payh for college, they are more professional. in America its a lot of junkies and nut jobs.
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Posted - Jun 11 2014 : 3:22PM
^Breanne Benson isn't a "Euro" girl. She was born in Albania but grew up in Southern California.
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India Babe did at least two scenes with 'Shaft' - a black British performer: http://www.killergram.com/episodes.asp?page=episodes&model=India%20Babe&ct=model Charlyse Angel:http://www.data18.com/content/update_126372.html Syren Sexton:http://www.data18.com/syren_sexton/interracial.html Madlin:http://www.data18.com/content/update_91725.html Alice Romain:http://www.data18.com/alice_romain/interracial.html Nataly Von:http://www.data18.com/content/update_123480.html Laura Crystal:http://www.data18.com/laura_crystal/interracial.html Edited by - Tobyedison on 6/12/2014 4:31:22 AM Edited by - Tobyedison on 6/12/2014 4:43:24 AM Edited by - Tobyedison on 6/12/2014 4:46:57 AM
Evidence Mya Diamond Sandy Kid Jamaica I'm adding part one because in the related scenes below the clip you may find Sandy hardly sucking Kid Jamaica's dick , this thing is the closest actual sex with a male she ever had on screen that I know of part 1
^^^ Ok I missed some , but most those girls don't do IR. https://twitter.com/Cowboy20D/status/478094528562597888 ^ read tweet, Sensi said there are still girls in Europe that don't do IR. Again why does Charlyse Bella refuse IR when she comes to America? Agents let European girls do IR, even LA direct.
We never said there aren't but they are a minority , if you ask me: are there starlet who won't do IR in Europe? I'd answer yes of course. If you ask me is there any problem in shooting IR scenes in Europe? I'd say no there isn't Is there any stigma on who does or doesn't IR here? No nobody gives a flying fuck. judging by the way you put thios it looked nearly impossible to hire a euro girl for IR , it's not in fact almost all the major stars did and still do , for example French blond actress Jessie Volt However , some starlets returning from the USA were disappointed for the lack of work , they arrived got all the papers did some scenes and nothing more . they did IR and were told the work ceased because of that. Don't ask me who because who reported this here didn't put names , but there's a bunch of starlets who did very few scenes in the States , since I don't know for sure I will not put any names
I don't know where you get this information because she does IR Possibly there was some other reason nobody knows or nobody bothered to explain? Full schedule perhaps? Or she didn't like the talent or the site she would have been booked for? Also when was she in the USA ?
The more concerning issue for me however is this: These articles insinuate that if a white woman is not willing to sleep with a black male it’s racist. That is simply outrageous. I guess we should all be forced to sleep with a black man to prove we aren’t? There is something warped about their mindset.
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I've said this many times here , it's become impossible to say no to a black man apparentlySaid this already I really can't understand what a woman who sleep with a black woman is considered racist if she doesn't sleep with a black man
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