Sometime around 2004 or 2005, it seemed like male spitting got very popular (or at least tolerated) in porn. This was unfortunate for me, because I hate male spitting. I think male spitting ruins porn. After buying like 8 or 9 DVDs in a row--from different studios/genres--all of which contained male spitting, I just had to quit. It wasn't fun any more. Nor was it economical for me to keep buying DVDs and then throwing them away after watching for 5 minutes until the first disgusting male loogie made it's appearance. But now I'm starting to get bored with my stash of pre-2005 porn. I've watched the same scenes over and over again. I've recently bought some new lesbian DVDs, and have had pretty good luck with that. And I'd also like to get some new boy-girl stuff. Specifically, I've missed out on the entire career of Sunny Lane, and I find her ridiculously attractive. Also, I'm quite smitten with some pictures I've seen of Sasha Grey, but haven't had the chance to see her in action. So, I was just wondering: 1) Is male spitting still rampant in porn? 2) If yes, can anybody recommend any good boy-girl scenes with either Sunny Lane or Sasha Grey which: a) Is 100% free of male spitting (female spitting is fine--it can be a good thing, even). b) Shows sex in a positive light, rather than a degrading and disgusting one. c) Has actual chemistry between the performers, or at least the performers make a reasonable effort at pretending to have actual chemistry. d) Uses mostly “naturalistic” sex positions (i.e. not contorted & uncomfortable-looking positions just so you can get a better view of the penetration). I like to imagine the performers are enjoying themselves, and it’s hard to imagine they’re having fun if they look uncomfortable. Also, I’m not crazy about reverse cowgirl. It’s not very romantic, and I just don’t think squatting is sexy. e) Has a minimum of shaky handheld & spastic camerawork. Slow and steady is good. Easy on that zoom button there, pal. And I favor the use of tripods. f) Has a minimum of male ass on display. I feel strongly that there’s really no good reason why the male anus ever needs to make an appearance in heterosexual porn. And I hate when the cameraman insists on shooting from behind the man, all nestled up in his ass, with the action “framed” between his legs. This is another major reason why I quit buying porn in 2005, because the cameramen all seemed to be obsessed with male ass. I realize this is all probably a lot to ask of the porn industry. But really, the male spitting is the main thing. I'd be willing to pick up some new DVDs that didn't quite meet all of the above standards, just as long as it doesn't have male spitting. Any help anyone could give would be... uh, helpful.
Welcome Boob, sadly this spitting crazyness is still "alive". Also this idiotic slapping and this choking stuff. I dont know, if it is as common as in 2004 or 2005, because I mostly watch labels, who dont have this stuff. But when I try something "new", I still see this. I am not a fan of Sasha Grey, didnt even know your 2nd actress, I watch more US lesbian porn. Lezcutties, Pureplay, Pink Visual etc. Digital Playgrounds movies are a little tamer, they have some "action only" DVDs too. Its of no use to recommend dutch imports that you cant get in the USA. I like the WICKED feature movies too, because they have top camera work and really good stories. And a great cast. Edited by - Caroline-NL on 3/18/2008 3:41:43 PM
I also have a problem with when there is no chemistry or when it is degrading. Dirty talking doesn't make it for me either. At least not if it is mechanical repetition of the same idiotic phrases. I still look att old Randy West movies. This guy had the perfect voyeristic style with admiration for the fine Ladies that dropped their clothes in front of him. More of this please.
That's a shame to hear that male spitting is still alive and well in 2008. I was hoping it would have run its course by now. In that case, can anybody recommend some studios whose movies don't have male spitting? Or am I just going to have to stick to lesbians?
Its not going to be safe for you to buy porn in the forseeable future. If anything porn is getting more extreme not less so good luck. Vivid has some excellent features you might enjoy though.
I wish reviewers would mention male spitting, but sadly they usually don't. Or at least they didn't when I was still buying porn regularly. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like the kind of thing you can reliably research before you waste your money. If I were to write a review, I would definitely make note of any male spitting. In fact, my entire review would probably read something like, "Male spitting at 1:42 into Scene 1, at which point I ejected the DVD from the player, broke it in half, and threw it in the trash. Zero stars." But I probably won't be writing any reviews, since it's sounding like I won't be buying any new porn anytime soon.
I can't tell from the tone of your post whether you're being sarcastic with the Vivid thing. Does this mean you like male spitting? Do people actually like male spitting?
Boob Enthusiast,a title that you may enjoy thats if your name tag here is your true passion is Boobsquad 11 from Bang Bros a 2006 release featuring really busty sexy women This is a link to cover..,i have got this title myself and i don't recall any spitting on the girls.The scene that i loved featured sonia carrera..at the start she gets interviewed and she came across as being a really lovely person she is curvy big boobed and has a killer ass to complete the package,the tease scenario at the start was great.She eventually got her huge boobs out and had them oiled up,really sexy stuff to watch and at one stage slipping into some sexy undies and matching top..this is all before the male talent appears(i don't know who she was with in that scene)..you might want to check this title out even a rental,i think you might enjoy it.Here is a photo of sonia
Bryan Xin's Naturally Stacked No 3 - Pretty girls,(Kala Prettyman is gorgeous) great boobs, nice clothes, good lighting, very nice camera work, lots of tease involving said pretty girls and their boobs and some fun sex including a very hot scene with Gianna and Manuel Ferrara (nice chemistry there) and Candance Von on crisp white sheets is a sight to behold. I don't recall any spitting.
I think it goes without saying that people get off on male spitting. Everybody here is claiming that nobody likes this but look around. Why not only is there spitting in porn and why is there more of it everyday? Do you think that when this first happened in a porn that it didn't sell? It's not gonna be safe for you to buy porn for some time now. It just wont be. The Vivid remark was only half in jest. You won't find spitting there and it is porn. The "hardcore" porn is only getting more hardcore and we aren't quite at the top (or bottom) yet. My only really complaint is when you don't know what you are getting in a porn. I wouldn't be above having labels or something.
I don't think just because male spitting has become so rampant in porn necessarily means that most customers actually like it. I haven't done a scientific survey, but I've never heard anyone say they like it, but I've heard many people say they don't. And also, it's not like the box covers advertise male spitting, so it can't be a major selling point. I suspect the porn makers do it just for their own disgusting purposes. I also suspect that most porn makers don't actually care what consumers want, because they know people will buy their product anyway, even if it sucks. Just because it's porn. I don't think any other industry (except for the illegal drug industry) could get away with putting out a product as consistenly shoddy and inept as the California porn industry does. Sometimes, it's pretty easy to imagine that porn-makers make bad porn on purpose. Maybe they get a good chuckle out of seeing idiot customers buy any old thing they shit out. Or else maybe, because porn-buying is usually such an urge-based thing, it could actually make business sense for porn-makers to consistently put out shitty product. That way, when some dumb schmuck feels an urge to whack off, mayhbe instead of going to the stash of unsatisfying old porn he already owns, maybe he'll go out and buy new porn in hopes of finally striking that elusive gold: an actual good, satisfying, well-made and acted porn movie. It's like gambling in Vegas; you know you're almost certainly gonna lose, but you can't resist doing it anyway. Anyway, I guess it doesn't really do any good to keep ranting on some internet message board. The only thing really to do is just keep not buying porn like I've been doing. Fuck porn. Those guys aren't getting my money.
^ all the problems you have with porn have a very simple solution, just watch all girl porn, you'll find some even hotter girls, who tend to be more gentle and sensual with each other and it doesn't have to lack the mechanics of boy-girl sex if you find scenes involving the use of a strap on!
This is absurd. Most porn buyers choose the DVD based on the cover, or if they're really savvy, based on a certain girl they know and like. I've bought plenty of porn that featured acts I didn't like, because I liked the girls in the cast and simply had no way of knowing what acts were done in each scene. I remember a time when showing close-ups of the man's face was the standard; everyone hated it, but still bought the films because it was PORN. The directors know this as well. Don't kid yourself.
The "People must like it because otherwise they wouldn't be buying it and the directors wouldn't be shooting it" argument is not solid reasoning, especially for something ubiquitous like spitting. I think people buy it because it happens to be largely unavoidable. People select porn based on some main criteria (boxcover pics, genre, featured stars, fetish, reviews, etc.) and the spitting just happens to be there. If spitting were all that high-demand, there would be specialty movies centered on male spitting. Searching "spit" at IAFD.com yields zero titles focused on male spitting, best I can tell. Like, there's always some percentage of insect parts in the foods we buy, yet people continue to buy and eat food. Is that proof that everybody loves to eat insects? No.
And that's why JM Production is in bussiness? Because people are ignorant and have no idea what is going to happen in Throat Gaggers? Hell how many titles make their main selling point "We push these bitches to the limit! Gaping assholes!" Ghetto Gaggers, Latina Abuse, Throat Jobs. Gangland Stomp. The fact is that spitting and rough porn is a guilty pleasure. Much like Britney Spears music. Nobody admits it but there are a lot of people who enjoy this. They just won't admit it in public for obvious reasons. I highly doubt that porn producers are sitting in their labratory laughing at the fools forced to watch their horrible porn because they have no choice. For starters I don't believe they there aren't options there are. But even if the average porn consumer (if such a creature exists) judges based only on the cover but those guys buy maybe one or two DVD's a year. The rest of us atleast recognize the larger companies and know what kind of product comes out of each of them.
There is no video dedicated to Dirty Ass to Mouth but several pages of people actively searching out and pointing out examples of it would beg that there are things that people want but clearly nobody is ready to cross that line yet in the industry.
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Posted - Mar 19 2008 : 5:02PM
Name 1 porn review that mentions male spitting. It don't exist. Wonder why? Because Bono and his bros want you to buy!
I agree 1000% with Sean. I get really tired of people who come on this board and bitch with blanket statements about all porn. I like this not that yada yada. It is ok to ask for recommendations but god if you want porn that specific to your desires go make it yourself. Porn is getting more extreme not less, sorry if you do not like this. As for the bitching I stopped bitching that facials are gone and the swallow is in, I stopped bitching that uber-boobs are gone too. WHY? Because they stopped selling and are not coming back....Adjust or buy Vivid.
It's interesting that even the defenders in this thread haven't come out and said, "hey, I like male spitting." But rather they just seem to be approving it on the general grounds that porn is supposed to be "extreme." Whatever that means. Which just furthers my strong suspicion that very few people genuinely like male spitting. Which means there's something wrong when male spitting appears in a large majority of mainstream porn videos. If there's a group of fetishists out there who like male spitting, that's fine. They could have their own line of videos, clearly labeled. (Though something tells me that clearly labeled male spitting videos probably wouldn't sell too well.) I just don't think male spitting should be so ubiquitous in mainstream porn.
I don't care one way or another about male spitting. It dependson the scene but I like Mason's work. I like the rough scenes with the humiliating sex. I like the scenes where the woman is treated like an object. Sometimes I'm in the mood for a voracious woman like Annette Schwarz or Hilary Scott who seems to love every single second and sometimes like in Dirty Trixxx it's best to have a woman who seems like she's being dragged through the scene solely for our pleasure. In that case yeah it's great to have the man spit on the woman, and honestly it's pretty hot when some girl asks for it. Not as hot as golden showers but we don't get that in the states for the most part. Now I suppose you could argue that spitting has become more popular because it's a common part of the more extreme porn and it just sort of snuck in there. Cus I notice that the main argument here is that nobody is asking for an all spitting movie. Though I would still say that several pages of thread suggest there are guys looking for dirty ass to mouth but I've never once seen a video dedicated to dirty ass to mouth. So I'm not sure that is a solid reason to say nobdoy likes it.
It seems that as the volume of movies has grown in the VHS/dvd age the performers and directors are trying everything they can to make their scenes stand out. They may be trying for being more hard edged or just focusing on whatever fetish they are doing. The problem is that most of these attempts are in the form of standardized tricks that only make the scenes look like every other. Spitting has become a common event in movies that don't even cater to a harder edge fetish. For my significant other, the spitting is a scene ending turn off. I personally think that many of these tricks has turned what most turns me on and makes it suck. For example, deep throating has always been a favorite of mine. Some time ago someone started the quacking craze which seems to have invaded most new releases. For pornstars this replaced learning how to give a decent blowjob with putting the cock to the edge of your throat and forcing a stupid quack sound. I also think that swallowing is cool in movies. Now is seems that no one can swallow anything without showing it to the camera, blowing a few bubbles, and then grimacing as the cold mess is swallowed. The list goes on and on. I wish performers and directors would go back and focus on good sex. Find people who enjoy it, are good at it, and can make doing it together look good. Way too many scenes are just paint by number pictures done with the standard bag of tricks. To use my blow job example, there is a lot of different things a girl can do during a blow job. For me, having a girl worship a cock for 15 minutes using all her oral tricks, sliding it deep down her throat all by herself, and eagerly swallowing the results is a heck of a lot better than having the guy try to steer her head, listen to her quack, and watch her awkwardly try to show the contents of her mouth waiting for the director to say its ok to swallow. I often here that these are appealing to some fetish that everyone has. I find that hard to believe.
I just want to know what happened to the anal craze. At one point, it seemed almost every gonzo movie coming out was anal. I also want to know what happened to one of my favorite sub-genres: ATM!!
Boob, if you're into feature porn I highly recommend "Black Worm". Neither Sunny Lane or Sasha Grey are in this movie, but I think it has some of the things you're looking for (and what you're not looking for). Of course the plot is what drives this movie. If you just want to see a good movie I recommend it.
Basically, if you demand that you never see anything in a porn flick you don't like, it will never be "safe" for you to buy porn again. That's just the way it is. Not everything in porn is going to be disgusting to you but if you watch long enough, you're gonna see stuff you don't like. And the way the business seems to go these days, when a trend starts, they run it into the ground. The whole spitting thing actually works sometimes (on a very limited basis) but they did get carried away with it. And, like I said, it turned up in pretty much every movie once it got started. I don't know. Personally, I'm really tired of seeing the dude try to stuff both his balls in the girl's mouth while she's sucking his dick. It's about the dumbest looking thing I've ever seen. And it just started happening one day. I don't know where it came from but once it got started, that was it. Now, I can pretty much predict the exact moment that the guy will bunch up his nuts and "go for it". I'm not sure what it's supposed to accomplish. I don't imagine it feels very good. Actually, I can imagine it being kind of painful. But whatever. It's porn. It's made for perverts. You're gonna see things you don't like.
I think as each year goes by; porn is a little bit rougher. Not only do you have spitting and slapping and choking along with hair pulling; you also have extreme thursting! Alot of meaness too in the way the gal is treated in the scene. Safe? I go with the softcore or earlier porn of the 70s-80s if you want to have nice plots and undressing, foreplay before intercourse and so forth.
Your argument is silly because you are equating rough sex with male spitting, as if you can't have one without the other! That's just stupid. I love rough sex and I hate male spitting. I watch Throat Gaggers because I like face fucking; not because I wanna watch some dude drool out of his mouth. Get real.
Ok fine. Your right, rough and degrading sex doesn't include spitting. They seem to go hand in hand because the entire point of those kinds of things is to degrade the woman.
TBone, I agree with you, you can have one without the other but I think it is more like a chinese pu-pu platter and although you might not like fried Shrimp you get it anyway and tolerate it because you like everything else on the plate.
I wouldn't say male spitting is like fried shrimp. Lots of people like fried shrimp. I'd say male spitting is more like putting a big googly raw pig eyeball in the middle of the pu pu platter: something which almost nobody wants to eat, and which looks so revolting that a lot of people will be turned off from even ordering the pu pu platter.
No. Though to be fair it wouldn't hurt me much and I'm sure I've finished off a piece of pizza that some other guy started off. Kinda the same thing. Which brings me back to my point. A lot of people are still purchasing porn despite male spitting. Why?
[/quote] For the same reason that we all bought porn back when half the scene was focused on the guy's goofy face. Because it's P O R N. [/quote] Are you seriously claiming that there isn't enough porn out right now for you to pick and choose what you want and avoid what you don't want? I mean even before I started reviewing porn and learning to recognize things like directors and labels I still USUALLY got what I was looking for in porn. Once I got smart enough to know that anything over 4 hours was probably a compilation and thus crap.
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Posted - Mar 21 2008 : 1:29AM
Spitting is very low on the list of things that bother me in porn. There's just so much worse stuff that it barely registers. Edited by - Blink on 3/21/2008 1:31:23 AM
What spitting? There's been like 4 flicks I've seen over the past 4 years that had a scene where some numbnut lugies straight into a chicks mouth or face that yeah, was nauseating to say the least, but outside of that, just avoid flicks with David Perry who spits when he nuts, to make it look like more cum. Besides him, maybe that Ex-Sineplex english dude, who's rarely seen in any flicks these days anyway. As for all the other issues, grab a bucket and bail like the rest of us. Things are tough all over.
I can pick and choose what I want as far as themes go, but spitting is not limited to any specific genre to be easily avoided. Still, that is not the point. I entered this discussion to address the false argument that men spit in porn because "it sells".
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Posted - Mar 21 2008 : 7:03PM
See this post. The first two items (pain and misogyny) can be broken down into various other things.
