Pretty good point. I wasn't actually even old enough to watch porn in the "classic" porn era and have only seen one or two classic porn flicks so I can't really comment on the quality there.
And yeah....the fact that there's so much more junk now makes the quality stuff much harder to find. It was always there but now, if you just roll the dice, you're more likely to get junk than the really good stuff. Certainly, there's excellent stuff out there but if you were just a casual customer and walked into a porn store, you'd be hard-pressed to find it and know, definitively that what you were getting was worth what you were paying. Everything on the shelves looks like good stuff. I guess the guys who make the lower quality stuff are at least smart enough to know how to make it look great on the cover. But if you just go by the covers (which a lot of people do), you might be in for a surprise (and not a very nice one) when you actually view the movie.
Well, my point was that these people probably aren't the people who are downloading or (intentionally) buying pirated movies anyway. They're accustomed to paying for their porn and in fact, to a lot of them, the whole process of shopping for, buying and opening a brand new DVD is as much a part of their porn habit as jacking off to it.
The people downloading pirated movies are more likely to be college kids or other people who wouldn't be able to afford to buy it legitimately than seasoned porn fans.
Not condoning it. Just saying that I'm not sure how much it's really hurting the industry. Obviously, theft is always wrong. But I guess this is seen as a little more of a gray area to many. It's just that I would feel a little differently about a homeless guy stealing something than I would a guy who could obviously afford to buy it but stole it anyway. Obviously, anyone with an internet connection isn't homeless but that doesn't mean they have a lot of extra money laying around either. Just saying that people who can afford it and are really into it probably buy it...or at least rent it.
That's what renting is for. By watching pirated movies you are hurting video rental stores and mail order rental companies, which in turn buy less copies of each film or less films in general from their distributor which equals money taken away from the company that made the film. It is still stealing.
Perhaps the thing to do is to take advantage of the situation. It is going to be impossible to stop piracy completely. No amount of money thrown at the situation will prevent piracy. Additionally, many of the methods used to prevent piracy annoy the honest consumers.
What if instead studios treat piracy as a distribution channel, and offer a means of reimbursing for a download. An amnesty, I suppose. Someone downloads a pirated scene, and then has the option of send a donation to the studio as the purchase cost.
Do you think a retail store would just let you walk out with the goods on the off chance that you might enjoy the item and pop back in a few weeks later and pay for it?
Strange as it may seem, this works very well in the computer software industry. The concept is known as "shareware". Some authors of free software also receive donations.
There are also independent musicians who distribute their work this way.
Not sure if it would work for porn, but someone might try it. Imagine the publicity for the first studio that offers its back catalog for download with the slogan "You choose the price." Maybe try it with titles from 5 years ago that have reached the end of their market life? Remember, the cost per download is almost nothing. If only a million people send you only a dollar each, it's nearly all profit.
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Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 9:58AM
Well based on the successes of the RIAA/MPAA in ending piracy worldwide I'm certain that reporting it in the adult film industry shall succeed as well.
Here are a couple of problems with blaming piracy for falling sales:
1. It assumes that every pirated movie was going to be bought, this is demonstrably false. The mere fact that content is free leads many people to download it, then delete it when they realize it wasn't that good to begin with, and it almost never is. These people of course were never going to buy the content to begin with, as they were just curious, and as such don't represent a "lost sale."
2. The assumption that without piracy sales would be through the roof, they wouldn't be. Sales would still be falling for a number of reasons including: A glut of online internet sites filling different niches, multiple movie studios all competing for the same customers, and poor business practices among the studios.
Furthermore this entire argument fails to understand how piracy can be stopped or mitigated because it's based on the flawed premise as to why people pirate in the first place.
The assumption is that people pirate because it's free and that with enough lawyers, lawsuits, and reporting on piracy sites it can be stopped, the MPAA/RIAA have already tried this strategy x100 and it hasn't worked yet, because it can't.
People do pirate because it's free that's true of course, but they mostly pirate out of convenience and efficiency. If a new movie comes out what options are for the consumer to buy it? Order it through the mail and wait a week, use some vod service loaded with DRM restrictions, or wait for some rental place to get it. So given these great options people simply get it for free immediately.
So what do you do about it?
1. Well as the recording and movie industries are beginning to slowly understand you can actually beat "free" by providing a better service. If you can give people a movie or album for a flat fee via their downloading sites so they don't have to visit a sketchy Russian site risking picking up a virus, wait days in a que for someone to let them download from them, or search endlessly for that obscure movie or album they must have then they will pay for it. The success of iTunes demonstrates this and the services that the movie industry will be rolling out will as well.
2. Working with the technology is a far better idea than trying to fight it. Digital technology makes copying files incredibly simple. Understand that reality and make the content available for a small fee reliably and piracy will become nothing more than a small nusiance.
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Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 1:25PM
I agree. I do want to ask a genuine question. You mention the hassle of DRM issues, but yet seem to be pleased with iTunes. iTunes DOES limit how many separate items you can play a file on. So are you only talking about the DRM that limits how many days you can play the legally downloaded file, or are there other issues that you think limit people who you believe would buy a legal copy online, but for some reason don't?Although I agree that is probably the case most of the time, that many people who download inferior qualilty pirated material wouldn't buy it anyway, I have acquaintances I've gotten into verbal fights with because they scoffed at me when I said I couldn't accept a burned copy of a CD from them. I told them I'd gladly borrow (and return it) to see if I liked it, and if I did, I'd buy it. But I couldn't accept a free burned copy. When they didn't understand, I got pissy and told them that even before I made my (reasonably generous) income from media sales, I never downloaded or copied illegally.
I also have witnessed people who seemed to want a CD or DVD product pretty badly take HOURS to search for a free copy online. These are people making between $10 to $25/hour. They could have bought that DVD with pay from one of the hours it took them to find it for free online. Not to mention they wouldn't have had to break the law. But for some reason they are compelled to take the illegal way.
The other problem with assuming that piracy doesn't affect sales 'because people who want it badly enough will buy a real copy' is assuming that the consumer can tell the difference between a real DVD and a pirated one nowadays. In our German case, I was the only one between me, John, and our sales manager that could tell the original from the fake of our movie in under 5 seconds. I know what to look for. We have two cases going on right now that each represent millions of dollars of lost sales. And those are just two companies that we've caught. Who knows what else is out there. When pirated versions get that good, we also run into the potential issue of: even if a consumer DOES know he has a fake copy, will he care enough to report it or to want a real copy that will be of only slightly better quality?
btw - RandomPrecision, I'm not trying to be sarcastic to you at all. I hope it didn't come off like that. This is just a very sensitive subject to me, and I used to be naive and think of these things as very black and white/ good and evil...
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Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 1:28PM
oh, and last point for now... :) Yani - I speculated that Tower Records went out of business probably for many reasons (and I know nothing of their business infrastructure). I thought piracy was probably one of them. I also thought they simply didn't evolve into the digital age and develop an online marketing and retail business to keep up with the times and their consumer base.
I don't think the assumption is that every download of a pirated movie represents a lost sale. I think the assumption is that the downloads help explain falling sales.
As for the people who were never going to purchase, either they would have seen the movie in the theater (where they would contribute to the industry's profits) or they represent the status quo. Either way, they don't support your argument.
2. The assumption (is) that without piracy sales would be through the roof, they wouldn't be.
I don't know anybody who's making that assumption. Please cite your source. The assumption that I know about is that sales wouldn't have fallen the way they have without piracy.
As for the rest of your argument, it misses an interesting point. Piracy is stealing. You can steal from the grocery store, however you're likely to get caught. When it comes to music and movies, though, the hard part - stealing from the original source, has already been done for you. Dealing with the fence is a much less risky proposition, and the anonymity of the internet makes it seem even less so.
This is the reason that producers have taken the approach that they have - they want people to believe that they will get caught. I grant you that the probability isn't large enough yet for most people to accept that they will actually end up in court, however, if enough prosecutions are carried out then people will stop.
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Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 5:47PM
don't be a whistleblower.
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Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 6:29PM
Well I was just citing iTunes as an example wherein people would choose to pay for content through a given system if that system allowed the acquisition of content to be more efficient and convenient than getting it for free.
And on the issue brought up concerning fighting piracy with lawsuits. As has already been stated the lawyers/lawsuits approach has been tried and is still being tried by the RIAA/MPAA and it hasn't stopped nor noticeably slowed down the levels of piracy. It's only made those who engage in the activity more clever in their methods to acquire content free of charge.
So, instead of trying to sue potential customers, what should be done is to work in accordance with the nature of the internet, and generate profit from it through an updated business model. Because reflexively fighting against it just because it threatens an obsolete business model is utterly futile.
iTunes isn't a very effective model for movies, though, is it? Nobody wants to download just one scene from a movie, after all (well, maybe if it's porn).Granted, I don't spend much time in that world, but I haven't heard of anything that I would call clever. Moving to rapidshare in Germany seems to have proven unsatisfactory. Maybe you could elaborate on that point.
As for the RIAA/MPAA's tactics, it is much too early to be pronouncing judgement on them.
Also, do you think it is easier or harder to download movies illegally now? An explanation of your position would be helpful.
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Posted - Feb 6 2007 : 7:56PM
To date, Evil Angel has not brought to court any end-consumers of pirated product. We HAVE filed lawsuits and brought to court individuals and companies that have MASS-produced illegal copies of our product or maintained file-sharing websites equivalent to the original Napster. We also filed claims against distributors and stores that knowingly purchased large quantities of this pirated product. Just because we have not (so far) filed claims against any end users of bootlegs or online pirated movies, does not mean that I find the idea to be bad, only that we simply do not have the resources at this time.
I hope you don't go after end users because these people often are porn buyers. Most of what is on the net isn't full blown movies but one or two scenes. An earlier poster mentioned that it's a long process to out put a pirated video to a television which I think would be most people's prefered method to watching porn.
Unfortunately a lot of people don't have good access to a nice porn video store.. I've lived in many towns and the one I'm in now has no non-scuzzy porn shops. Also 70 percent of folks on the net are scared to give their credit card to a store. If we get porn in Blockbuster this is going to happen one way or another. It will either be people buying cheap copies of comps or via the internet.
Edited by - crazyman1212 on 2/6/2007 9:29:53 PM
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Posted - Feb 7 2007 : 12:51AM
Actually one doesn't have to spend any time in that world to understand what's going on between content producers who wish to control every aspect of how their content is used, even down to how many times a certain file can be played to the consumers who wish the content to be available without such burdensome restrictions.
And it's apparent, without being in that world based on the stories and books written on the subject, that the continual lawsuits being lobbed at copyright infringers, that is the sue, sue, and sue some more strategy isn't working that well at all.
But because that's all they know how to do or care to do, instead of updating their business model, which would take work I suppose, they futilely believe that copyright infringement can be sued out of existence. It can't obviously, as the MPAA and RIAA are beginning to slowly understand. But, what would work to greatly reduce the popularity of copyright infringement is to give consumers a better option than free, which has already been elaborated on.
Porn buyers buy porn, not pirate it...also, the 'it's only one or two scenes' argument doesn't add up. If 3 or 4 people upload 1 or 2 scenes, then you've got a whole movie, same as if you only upload a couple of songs and some one else uploads a few more etc.
We should bear in mind that some people will by a six scene movie on the strength of one scene if it features their favourite performer, even if they find the girls involved in the remaining scenes to be utterly butt ugly. By giving them that one scene for free, then a DVD sale, rental, or VOD purchase has been taken away.
The 'Not a lost sale, because they weren't going to buy it anyway' theory is flimsy at best. Try walking into your local supermarket and just randomly eating whatever takes your fancy...maybe just take a bite out of something and leave the rest. I've no doubt management and security staff will see your logic...you were just seeing if you liked it or if it was worth buying, but having tried it, you've decided it wasn't as good as you thought it was going to be, and thus you've decided not to pay for it.
Try being a twelve year old boy and buying an adult DVD in a porn store. I've no doubt management and security staff will see you off the premises.
I'll bet that tech-savvy male teens and preteens are among the biggest downloaders of porn on the net. Are you seriously claiming that all those are lost sales? Come off it. They wouldn't be ALLOWED to pay even if they waved a big wad of cash at the studio reception desk. It's the law.
the problem is, they'll continue to download illegal after they turned 18 or 21 whatsoever, because they know how easy it was back in the day when they were teenagers.
Just wanted to add this. I´ve mentioned it b4 somewhere else ... i often think there´s just too much porn around. Back in the VHS days you could wait for an upcomming title of your favorite director/actor. Nowadays you get flooded. Here´s a little example
Let say a company who has 6 guys working for them. The company releases 6 Videos a month. This would add up to 72 Movies per year. Now, if those 6 guys each would release 1 series of their own this would mean 6 + 6 per month. And we all know a lot of comanies have a lot of directors who got more than on series . Sometimes they even start brother or sister comanies in which the number of directors and series continues.
So, let´s see
6 directors who have 3 different series per month (+6 titles they release anyway)
This already means 24 titles a month !! I often wonder how many "editing facillities" are out there. Off course (today) quallity is not so much an issue since a lot of stuff is superb. But you can get a bad stomache from eating too much of your favorite food if you know what i mean. And who can affort to buy every release from one company these days ? even if he or she could ... when would you find the time to watch all that stuff you bought ? Not even a rabbit on viagra could be that horny to do that. And back to the convinient side of it. Back in the days you could drive to your favorite store take as much vhs as they would let you over the weekend and then you start to make copies for later viewing. "NO ONE" can "enjoy" 12 good titles over a weekend. And on monday you returned them. Knowing you got enough time to watch your movies until there are enough around for another "weekend session". If you liked what you saw you put them on your "order list" Remember a real fan fan "wants" the original ! If not they got ereased. Not to mention the time it took to have your favorite movies around "at the same" time to perform such a big rental. Nowadays with all the "copy_protection" stuff i nearly never visit a rental store anymore. If i can not watch what they offer "when" i want, then i´m not gonna get it from them. I´ll either wait for it to be on free tv or i just skip it. Well, that only applies to non adult tiles off course.
not to be a jackass but judging by the complexity and detail of many Adult DVD's currently being released I could edit close to 24 titles a month..
..my view on this..Good porn never has any trouble being sold. That is a fact.
However
The way it is being sold currently..(in dingy book stores)and the way it is packaged and presented(watch for 5 minutes to cum, wipe, and eject) poses a much bigger problem for sales, than piracy in my opinion..
So... you don't have anything to back up your claims about the clever pirates circumventing measures taken by the RIAA/MPAA except for stuff put out by the RIAA/MPAA, which you claim not to believe in any other aspect of their beclamations about piracy?
What you American guys don´t understand or do not want to understand. There´s a world outside the rich and wealthy United States of America. Maybe that´s why the Iraq war goes so terrible wrong and downhill.
Most of the ripped porn movies are coming from Eastern Europe. Just browsed an Hungarian website where you can download the newest stuff for 250 Forint. Officially it´s an online adult shop, but from the filenames it´s clear all the stuff is being loaded into P2P.
Just spoke with a friend who was in Bulgaria. In Sofia you´ll get everything you want. Software, Porn, etc. Just be aware: Average monthly income in Bulgaria is about 150€. There´s simply no money to buy adult DVD from the rich West.
There´s no chance at all do get help from Eastern European governments in chasing piracy. Those governments have bigger problems to handle as to help rich western porn producers to increase their money funds and buying another Luxury yacht.
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Posted - Feb 7 2007 : 8:14PM
Interesting analogy except digital content isn't really comparable to physical objects since the latter can't be copied infinitely without affecting the original, maybe when we get replicators though.
And it's a known fact that when you make something available for free many people are going to take it simply because it's free and they're curious even when they had not the slightest intent of purchasing it.
I know of three such sites. I had to join the damn places to see what was inside. I can't recall the exact url of one the sites. but I think I remember two. Someone I thought I knew sent me links to them, thinking I'd enjoy those places. Hell, I signed up, looked inside, and was amazed at how many FULL DVDs, downloaded content from websites, and so much more stolen material was there for anyone with an email address.
Anyways, I can send info to studios if they want it. Email or PM (is there a PM system here, damn I been away awhile, I forgot.) I guess you can look for that info shortly.
Oh, and thanks to steph for letting me know that there was such a thread here, because I couldn't find info on reporting such sites at studio websites. And thanks to drew for the forum search, finally figured it out.
- -B -I -G -m -i -k -e, here and there, over and out! - -
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Posted - Feb 13 2007 : 10:56PM
Don't be a whistle-blower. If the studios are truly interested in seeking out such sites, let them do their own leg-work.
Why, shutting down piracy is good for the studios and the consumers. The only ones it hurts are the pirates and the ones stealing. I guess that makes you one or the other of the latter.
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 10:01AM
I doubt that seriously. As stated earlier, piracy is a symptom of an inadequate distribution system on the part of the content producers. One simply can't have the internet exist, which is the most efficient distribution system yet devised by man and then turn around and act like it doesn't exist and stick to dvd's through the mail, video rental places, and DRM crippled VOD which limits how many times the content can be played by the legitimate purchasers of it. Then act surprised and outraged when consumers seek their own way to get the content without such absurd restrictions.
Numerous times it has been suggested that the content industries should change the way they deal with piracy by updating their old business models, but they seem to be stuck in the reflexive and primitive behavior of attempting to sue out of existence pirates. This is obviously not working and it won't work, but they won't do otherwise.
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 12:15PM
I heard a rumour that the Catholic church is going to buy up every adult film as it is produced and make it available to that general public free on the internet in an attempt to make it a profitless adventure...
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 1:19PM
You haven't given me one valid idea of what would be a better option or solution. I'd be interesting in hearing ideas that also wouldn't allow one guy to download an entire DVD, VOD-style, and then copy it onto a hundred or more DVDs. iTunes currently allows for 5 different players. How many different machines do YOU watch porn on?
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Posted - Feb 14 2007 : 5:29PM
Anyone with a broadband connection and a little time can d/l 5 or 10 new movies per day easily. Or you can just get the scenes you want. I'm not condoning this; in fact, I often rail against the mindset of "I've always been able to d/l music and vids for free; therefore it must be okay". That said, I don't believe porn piracy will or even can be stopped because the people who produce porn don't have the money to go after it effectively. Even the RIAA and MPAA, with all their money and lawsuit filings, haven't put a dent in illegal d/ling of big-budget content. How is the porn producer going to do it, given the weak market that exists today for product?
However I don't feel DRM is an effective answer either. I know that personally I won't join a website that uses it (and I've charged back on a few that did but didn't disclose it). But I can also take the moral high ground because for all the hundreds of porn scenes I have on my hard drive, I've never shared a single one. As a software developer, I understand the concept of getting paid for one's hard work.
Porn piracy ain't gonna go away. Evident by how easily it is to find it. And given the fact that most servers are not in the US, or in friendly to US interests countries. Getting any stoppage of pirated porn is about impossible.
I know the mindset of all pirates, they don't see the harm in it, but less sales due to pirating will cause an effect sometime down the line.
I also don't think any pirate is too concerned with an FBI copyright infringement notice on DVDs, since they know no studio will legitmately succeed in having a pirate fined or jailed. The administration that currently is in office would probably laugh at any notion of prosecution.
It's really a lose lose situation for people who buy shit, people who pay to produce shit, and the people who steal shit and make copies to spread to thousands others.
Plus many studios don't even give information on who to contact, or if emailing them will have any effect. Because the truth is, there will be no effect. That's why pirated porn is easy to find and get.
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Posted - Apr 17 2007 : 3:57PM
There's representatives from MANY studios right here on ADT. There's MANY more studio reps who look at these boards and threads but don't post.
Little tip-- if you write to webmaster@ and then put the website name for the company, you're probably going to reach someone who knows the email addresses for all the important people at that company. I get leads on pirated downloads all the time and we do what we can to take them down. We start with a simple request and immediately follow that with a cease-and-desist to the file host server.
If any legitimate representatives of porn companies that I've heard of (and I've heard of most of you) wants to contact me for some tips on how to go about having these kinds of things removed from hosting servers, send me an email. The only reason I won't put it here is because I don't want people here who think that pirating doesn't hurt me or my directors or YOUR end pricing to figure out which file servers to avoid using.
But the thing with torrents, no files are hosted on a server, except for a small .torrent file. So the movies are not hosted on the websites. The websites can claim no files are hosted on their servers, people host them. All the site does is provide a means for finding movies. Or some shit.
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Posted - Apr 18 2007 : 5:08PM
We're also aware of that, so we contact individual ISPs. Host servers and ISPs don't want to get in trouble, so they'll usually take down content or block access to users.
Don't you think that sales may be falling because of the widespread availability of porn online? Sites like VideoBox, Devils Films, etc... that are online and offer quanity for a small price surely has a tremendous effect on the market.
I don't think you're assessment necessarily refutes the statement by the poster you were quoting. I don't buy DVD's because I join these sites. I don't care about having a DVD, and don't mind watching on my computer and just having scenes on an external hard drive. I like that I have previews available first on these sites as opposed to entire DVD's where I may just like one scene and get screwed on the rest.
Also, I know when I was using Napster, way back when, I used to find tons of music that I would buy CD's for eventually by downloading initially. Stuff I never would have found had I relied upon radio. I don't download illegal music anymore because of iTunes, but I did then, and I think it worked out well for everyone. Itunes is great because you sample first, and then buy. That makes illegal downloading useless now...unless you're a crook.
You haven't given me one valid idea of what would be a better option or solution. I'd be interesting in hearing ideas that also wouldn't allow one guy to download an entire DVD, VOD-style, and then copy it onto a hundred or more DVDs. iTunes currently allows for 5 different players. How many different machines do YOU watch porn on? [/quote]
I don't understand this point about iTunes. You can just burn any song on iTunes onto a CD and then do whatever you want with it forever. It's amazingly simple.
Sure, it is possible. However, it is also possible that many of the people now using online services are the same people who used to visit the rental booths in the video stores. That is to say, they never owned product. They do represented some sales to the bricks and mortars, but at a much reduced ratio.
Again, the issue isn't whether or not samples generate sales. Anybody who has spent much time wandering a mall or a supermarket knows you practically need a stick to fight off all the people trying to get you to sample their wares.
Porn may be unique in that people are only interested in one scene on a DVD. I know, people say the same thing about songs on CD's. The difference is that, generally speaking, all the songs on a CD are by the same artist, or group. If you like a song then there's an incentive to get the CD to find out what else that artist has done. In porn, each scene usually has a different performer, so there isn't the same incentive to get the rest of the movie. The incentive is to get more scenes from other movies.
6 meg download pipe (Cable/DSL) takes about 1hr40m to download an entire ISO image, then another 10 mins to burn it to a blank DVD-R. Time from finding it to watching it on your own big-screen DVD player, with likely little to no loss in quality from the real thing, is about 2 hours.
That's what people aren't realizing. The old "urban legend" that the quality of pirated goods sucks (they rival the same now), the accessibility sucks (very easy to locate CURRENT or PRE-RELEASES today on Usenet) or the time to download sucks (see above) are over.
Either the porn business takes proactive action or they have absolutely nothing to complain about in terms of lost revenue. They are doing almost NOTHING to combat it today. I've emailed 8 different porn distributors and 2 directors with links pointing to current releases of their product available as full ISO images for download.
Only ONE bothered to reply to me.
Apathy brings with it it's own reward.
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Posted - Apr 19 2007 : 3:51PM
It doesn't matter. You can't stop P2P and torrent traffic. Especially when a lot of people are routing that traffic through SSL tunnel proxies.
Fact: It will always happen. Nobody can stop it. Sad, yeah it is. But programmers and hackers are always 10 steps ahead of anyone in the porn buisness -- Hackers do their job -- and porno buisness does theirs. It is an uneven scale in this circumstance because hackers will always have the technical advantage. & what I mean by hackers are those who design software to enable traffic sharing between peers (PSP) or downloading & uploading at the same time (torrents). I'm not talking about the average 'user' -- although many torrent sites now teach people how to mask IP, subnet, chain proxy, PGP, etc. Basically pirates are invincible -- from a technical standpoint.
This may sound a bit weird, but I think the fight against online piracy should be spearheaded by the online and VOD legitimate merchants.
I think they are most directly affected by online pirating.(as opposed to brick and mortar shops)
LubeNLuv is right, though. Addressing the problem is a daunting task, and perhaps individual companies don't have the resources to tackle it, but the longer this stuff goes on, the more "normal" the process seems to those who do it.
A few highly publicized arrests and tv perp walks by offenders every now and then would be a halfway decent deterrent.
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Posted - Apr 19 2007 : 6:07PM
1. Smart people never get caught. They use SSL tunnel proxies.
2. The music companies were accussed last year of "creating" this offenders to scare off people from doing. In reality, less than .05% of those who illegally download are ever found & charged.
thats not true. i can find most new porn titles in their entirety on the net pretty quickly.
every porn studio should really be concerned but the bottom line is what can be done about it? thats the million dollar question. apple hasnt stopped anything, riaa hasnt stopped anything, disney hasnt stopped anything. there just hasnt been a viable solution yet.
I think there are ways to create apprehension in the minds of the people who are the casual down loaders of stuff.
If you can do that...you can stop a fair amount of pirating.
The actual hardcore pirates..stealing ripping and uploading stuff.....that's harder....But the average guy...? Oh ..yeah if you make him think there's gonna be any REAL trouble associated with what he's doing....he'll think twice about it....
