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| Leeroy Magic Member 178 Posts 6/07 |  Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 12:18PMEdited by - leeroy magic on 7/11/2007 12:27:39 PM [Link] |
| conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 2:28PM [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 7:22PM piracy won't stop, because there is always a geek with a god complex who will rise to the challenge. the internet piracy problem is similar in nature to that of graffiti; any needle dick cloaked with a measure of anonymity can grab a can of spray paint, a marker, or a razor blade and set to task - the internet pirate is no different. a partial solution lies in crippling the various links along the supply chain, rendering the content more difficult to access. [Link] |
| T0201 Deactivated User 167 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 7:52PM I would imagine a vastly better VOD system would be enough to undermine most of the support for piracy. But until that's done fighting to stop people from getting what they want is as futile as it has been for the MPAA and RIAA, and they have vastly greater resources to deal with piracy, and yet they have still utterly failed to stop it. Edited by - T0201 on 7/11/2007 7:52:48 PM [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 8:06PM additionally, in your scenario, how would you propose a producer deliver his/her product to non-computer users? it requires no small amount of faulty ego-centric thinking to assume that every consumer segment has access to (or wishes to complete transactions on) the internet. furthermore, even your proposed solution is flawed, as i am aware of pirates who are using downloaded and streaming content from VOD as THE SOURCE of their piracy efforts.vast resources, yes. but questionably allocated. Edited by - hardware on 7/12/2007 12:25:51 AM [Link] |
| conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 8:51PM If there could be be anything done about it it would have to happen everywhere on the earth with every ISP. 3000 Edited by - conquistador on 7/11/2007 8:52:31 PM [Link] |
| BIGmike B-I-G-m-i-k-e 2335 Posts 3/01 | Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 9:36PM That's the mentality you're dealing with. Quality can suck donkey ass, but if it's free, who cares. I know people who think that way, I don't talk to them about that, but as long as shit is available for download, and people are uploading, paying for it seems stupid. I don't support piracy, but I really can't condemn it anymore, because all the people I know are guilty of it. What am I gonna do, call the MPAA or RIAA on my blood, no sir. If the porn industry doesn't want to get more involved in stopping it, I ain't gonna do their jobs. Because I've emailed companies, they don't really care. They make money on other venues. "When they're runnin' down my country, man, they're walkin' on the fightin' side of me." [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 10:00PM |
| T0201 Deactivated User 167 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Jul 11 2007 : 10:15PM And while there are people who don't wish to use the internet for such transactions there are more than enough who do to make the idea viable. This should be obvious.Of course it's more efficient to simply get the content when it's already in digital form online as opposed to digitizing the dvd's and uploading it to the net, but the fact remains that many people pirate simply because the content isn't available in the form they want (i.e., digitally and as soon as the content is available).So if their resources were properly allocated they could reduce the amount of piracy by a substantial amount? You do realize that the MPAA and RIAA have been doing this for around 10+ years (suing kids/families, raiding cd/dvd production factories, creating cumbersome and worthless DRM technology, Getting Congress/Senate to create new laws and penalties for piracy, manipulating foreign governments to crack down on their own citizens, etc...) and it's done nothing to stop or even substantially reduce piracy. Their efforts are futility cubed. And yet they persist. Now you've made a number of statements about how the ideas put forth aren't adequate to reduce the amount of piracy going on. But, do you have any solutions of your own on this matter? Edited by - T0201 on 7/11/2007 10:22:35 PM [Link] |
| Corben99 Member Deep South Texas 146 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 12:41AM So I asked him, what's up? And he told me that VHS is rare in China, but Video CD's are Big. And that americans will send him VHS movies, and he just immediately upon receving them by U.P.S., he would convert them to Video CD. He told me Video CD's would last waaay longer that VHS tapes. So he showed me a section of the store, that looked like Craigs Record Factory, and it had literaly thousands of Video CD's all in paper lined sleeves ready to buy for only 1 American dollar. I thought this was very weird. So I investigated several P.C. stores down the main street, and they each had a huge pirate section. Which brings me to the present. With the advent of DVD video technology. How bad has it gotten now? If you want to put a dent in piracy Do Not Ship to China, anything period. My 2 cents. Some of my friends in Iraq can buy porn dvd's right there on the streets of Baghdad. I would think video piracy is a world wide problem. Not just an internet problem. I like those RED colored DVD disk movies that say's If It Ain't Red, It Ain't Real. Something like that might help out more, to distinguish Real from Fake. All the Porn Industry should ban together to issue a color coded system. Like the video game industry did for their ratings system. And have the DVD duplicators moved in house, or just rely on a couple of real trusted ones. And set color coded standards for each company. It might help. [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 1:09AM [Link] |
| Discombobulated Deactivated User 43 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 8:23AM [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 1:57PM furthermore, look at how your proposed utopia is miserably failing. mainstream movies available for download to DVD at retail outlets has barely sparked measurable interest.so you posit that if the producers come day and date (DVD and VOD) with their content, then piracy will subside?yes. and i know how the MPAA operates. perhaps you don't. the MPAA isn't interested in piracy in general. they only enforce piracy efforts where their MEMBER constituents product is involved. example: tai seng, which is a san francisco based distributor of chinese films (notably many of the hong kong action films) gets RAPED by southern california based pirates in long beach and orange county. you can walk into an asian-only video rental store and watch the releases being duped in the open, in front of your eyes. if it is reported to the MPAA no action is taken because tai seng is not a member. i know you from elsewhere on the internet, sites where internet piracy is encouraged and embraced, so i know that you are a proponent of piracy. but why do you feel the need to rationalize and champion the theft as something other than what it is? [Link] |
| tritone Deactivated User 1009 Posts 4/03 | Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 5:43PM You need to focus on "hard" piracy. This is where DVDs are being duplicated (sometimes at lower quality), repacked, and then SOLD in stores to make a profit. Some guy who rents/buy a DVD, then rips it into XViD/DIVx to share with others for free is SOFT PIRACY. Hard Piracy is most certainly wrong, but the Soft variation is a grey area. [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 6:20PM trust that I am WELL versed in the field of piracy on a global level, and not only as it pertains to adult video. and keep in mind that the creator of this post referred specifically to online piracy that s/he discovered on an internet message board. I responded directly to that concern. Edited by - arkdvd on 7/12/2007 6:21:53 PM Edited by - hardware on 7/12/2007 7:33:13 PM [Link] |
| T0201 Deactivated User 167 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 7:41PM Of course one may not wish to order such content in a library or other public place, so one could I suppose use magazines or video stores to order custom dvd's. But the fact is that it could be done, however there doesn't appear to be much interest in doing so.It's never been instituted in a serious way so who knows. But, it may be a more viable solution than the currently futile practice of content producers trying to sue their problems away.It's obvious how the MPAA and RIAA operates. But I noticed that you neglected to even touch on how futile the MPAA/RIAA combined efforts for their member constituents have been over the past 10 years. They've wasted untold millions of dollars suing everyone they can find, creating new anti-democratic laws, manipulating foreign governments to put them in line with our copyright laws, creating worthless and cumbersome DRM, and yet they can't make a dent in piracy. Perhaps they should work with their consumers and give them the content they want instead of trying to sue them into compliance, which will never work. And you don't know me from anywhere else, you might think so, but my ideas on content producers working with consumers rather than against them are rather common around the net and such ideas certainly aren't equivalent to a pro-piracy philosophy, no matter how much you might wish it to be. Lastly, I noticed that you still haven't proposed any solutions to dealing with piracy in a way that will realistically work. Edited by - T0201 on 7/12/2007 7:44:47 PM [Link] |
Flash  Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 12 2007 : 11:12PM [Link] |
| Mister Satan Member I'll knock up your wife and won't give a f*** 74 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jul 13 2007 : 4:03AM ... that is all. [Link] |
| Discombobulated Deactivated User 43 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jul 13 2007 : 9:45AM [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 13 2007 : 11:56AM [Link] |
| Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02 | Posted - Jul 13 2007 : 12:56PM [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jul 13 2007 : 1:21PM there's nothing illegal, unethical or wrong with recording NFL games for personal use. if you listen closely so as to understand the NFL copyright notice as it is explicitly stated, you'd know they only have a problem with rebroadcasting and retransmitting their content. a reasonable broader inference could be made that you are prohibited from renting and selling unauthorized recordings of their content. [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jul 13 2007 : 1:22PM It's unfortunate that you missed my response both times. It was clearly and plainly stated in a single sentence. Good luck. [Link] |
| RandomPrecision Senior Member Enjoy! 8175 Posts 3/06 | Posted - Jul 13 2007 : 2:38PM [Link] |
| T0201 Deactivated User 167 Posts 11/06 | Posted - Jul 13 2007 : 5:21PM Filing complaints and making the content more difficult to access is exactly what Members of the MPAA and the MPAA itself do and have done and it's had absolutely no effect on piracy rates. [Link] |
| Leeroy Magic Member 178 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jul 15 2007 : 5:42PM I would say the best approach is to go after the webshosts first. Contact them with cease and desist orders. Contact registrars, most domain registrars don't allow domains to be registered and used for illegal activities. If they don't comply start leaking it to the press how such and such registrar allows illegal use of their domains for piracy sites. They will then start pulling them. I know of a lot of webhosts that will kill hosting on someone for that too because it's on their servers. I highly doubt most pirate boards have their own servers because of the cost involved. I'm sure some do, for those you can go after the registrar via a whois lookup. Contact the FBI. Get journalists to write articles on it. Post the info openly on blogs/websites. Honestly the only reason why sites like that exist is because of secrecy. Napster went down not because of the RIAA or whatever but because so many people found out about it that it became a hot topic and was taken down. Forming an anti-porn piracy group could also help, so people will have a place to report to..and they could then investigate it. Get connected with people in the FBI in a fight against online piracy. Talk to some guys there and see if you can get a large piracy site taken down. Get the press to cover it. If there was an anti-porn piracy group you could have a rep talk to the press about how many vids are pirated there, how many members are registered, and how it was shut down. You don't have to physically stop all of them, you just have to shake things up enough where people become scared to visit it. It can be done with some effort. Edited by - leeroy magic on 7/15/2007 5:46:10 PM [Link] |
| Slonik Member 87 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Jul 15 2007 : 5:52PM [Link] |
| Leeroy Magic Member 178 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jul 15 2007 : 5:56PM "LOS ANGELES —Adult industry members have announced formation of the Global Anti-Piracy Agency, a nonprofit trade organization dedicated to combating content theft, from illegally downloaded Internet content to illegally reproduced DVDs. Initial funding for GAPA has been provided by Sureflix Digital Distribution, Inc., parent company of gay distribution network Maleflixxx." This is their official website... [Link] |
| Leeroy Magic Member 178 Posts 6/07 | Posted - Jul 15 2007 : 6:01PM http://globalantipiracy.com/ They can serve as sort of a middleman to talk and work with the FBI. [Link] |
| conquistador Deactivated User Hellhamster. 2947 Posts 10/03 | Posted - Jul 15 2007 : 8:30PM I doubt the Canadian legal system has a provision for idiot cowboys. Edited by - conquistador on 7/15/2007 8:31:15 PM [Link] |
| Slonik Member 87 Posts 1/07 | Posted - Jul 16 2007 : 6:42AM [Link] |
| arkdvd Member 103 Posts 1/06 | Posted - Jul 17 2007 : 8:36AM the FBI doesn't have to have the manpower to address the "overseas server" issue. the united states has treaties and liaisons of cooperation with several countries so that their law enforcement entities can handle it. you don't have to take my word for it; phone your local FBI field office and ask for the "duty officer". s/he can explain it all to you in a couple minutes. domestically, american complainants can still do their part by flooding ic3.gov with individual complaints. remember, each act of piracy brings a separate count. Edited by - hardware on 7/17/2007 5:09:18 PM [Link] |
| Drew Black broken crankshaft 8011 Posts 9/99 | Posted - Jul 17 2007 : 7:57PM [Link] |
| Caryn New Member 1 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jul 17 2007 : 8:43PM There's some basic info about the organization on our website www.globalantipiracy.com. To answer the question posted at the beginning of the topic: you can report piracy to us at reportpiracy@globalantipiracy.com. More soon. Caryn [Link] |
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| porncritic New Member Free MaxHardcore! 1 Posts 7/07 | Posted - Jul 18 2007 : 12:46AM Edited by - porncritic on 7/18/2007 12:47:47 AM [Link] |
| licker Senior Member Heretic, Iconoclast, Skeptic 1141 Posts 8/03 | Posted - Jul 18 2007 : 5:48AM You don't want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs. If you do anything at all to harm paying customers or cripple genuinely purchased media, you will be handing the whole game over to the pirates and the amateurs. If you need an example, just look at the commercial, legal and public relations disaster that the RIAA has inflicted on the record labels. [Link] |
| Flash Golden Age Classic 11017 Posts 5/01 | Posted - Jul 18 2007 : 10:39PM [Link] |
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