cindy crawford is just the latest in a long line of girls who have left jkp. what is going on over there that none of the girls seem happy? tyler faith, is one of jill"s best friends, and even she is gone now. will jenna haze be the next girl to say so long? jill kelly, better wake up and try something new before its too late for her company. here are a few suggestions! stop hiring new girls that no one has ever heard of and give some of the older porn girls a chance. come out of retirement jill and do some more movies for your company. do more hardedge, girl girl and boy girl movies in the bruce seven mold. start your own line of girl girl fetish movies, with lots of girl girl domination scenes. here are a few older girls i think jill should look at hiring if they want to come back to porn and if they are in porn and want to be contract girls again. 1.jasmine stclair, has sold 3pw wrestling and may be intrested if jill offers.kendra jade, i think she may be intrested if jill offers. felecia, it would be a great way to end her days in porn by going out with jill. taylor stclair. i would love to see taylor,felecia, kendra and jasmine do a girl girl fetish line, along with jill herself. also it would be great to see kendra and jasmine back in porn. i know a lot of porn people dont like them, but you have to admit, it would be big news to have them back. anyway, i know this wont happen, but i can dream cant i?
I'm not a fan of JKP , but those suggestions make little sense. None of your suggestions address contract girls leaving when their contract is up. Not bondage, not hiring more established stars that you happen to like, not getting back in front of the camera. More hard edge movies is opposite of the market that JKP markets to. The features/couples market tends to be more soft. People in porn and wrestling find Jasmin St. Clair difficult to be around and unpleasant to work with. Isn't happening. I don't remember that Kendra Jade made a large splash the first time around, so there is no reason to believe that anybody would buy a movie based on her being in it.
Sales is a different issue than keeping a healthy number of contract stars. Mixing the two up leads to strategies that don't address problematic issues.
I agree with the primary poster. To me, there is an ever-increasing divide between pretty/sensual porn and downright nasty/degrading porn. Jill's best work as an actor successfully combined both elements. JKP started out strong with movies such as Immortal and My Perfect 10's and had strong actors such as Shyla Stylez and Star E. Knight. However, for over a year now, Jill's adds in AVN have been boring and not memorable. The Collateral Damage and Blu lines are both token entries into wall-to-wall hard sex and European porn. Jill is talented; those early movies she, in part, directed prove this. I just don't understand the company's direction since then.
both your points are well taken, and i could be all wrong. but when something is not working anymore you need to change. im not saying jkp will ever be a PXP or and Evil angel,but it has to get more hardedge.most people who want softcore porn get it from playboy or other pay channels, not through videos or dvd"s. companies like jkp, wicked, vivid and some others will either change with the times or they wont make it. yes i know vivid has good sales and is know world wide, even in the mainstream.and there is a market for softcore movies like these companies offer, but as i said,a lot of those people will go to places like playboy,HBO and other pay channels. i love jill kelly, and have watched from jkp since they started, but i have to tell you, i miss the days of jewel denyle, jill kelly, keri windsor, shayla styles, star E. knight and others. the movies were better then and they all did not look the same. all jenna haze"s girl girl scenes look the same these days. and cory, are you cory jordan, jill"s ex husband? just curious. if you are, how is your new company doing and please give a link to your site.
IAFD, supporters of beastiality. Just say no. 7564 Posts 11/02
Posted - May 8 2005 : 12:29PM
Is there any heterosexual (or metrosexual) man in L.A. who is NOT one of Jill's exes? Is she trying to upstage the likes of Brad Armstrong and Tony Martino?
lindi said: "I'm not sure if I can handle an evening with cobalt60."
JKP may not have the money. They are a public company and have to make SEC public filings. A few months ago they were a train wreck ... at best. At worst, people may want to consider leaving before the SEC comes calling with a few questions.
i dont know anything about the sec and all that. but i do know i wish the company would address why they are not selling as many videos as they did when they had girls like jill, jewel denyle, tabitha stevens, keri windsor and others. i think its because of the kind of movies they make, and some of the no name girls they have making them. again, i dont expect them to be like PXP OR Evil angel, but if you are going to make lots of girl girl movies which i love, you better make it hardedge if its going to make money. if people want softcore, most will get playboy or HBN. i hope someone from JKP will read my above post and try some of my suggestions.
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Posted - May 8 2005 : 8:13PM
If I was you all I wouldn't sell Jill short. I'm not much of a Feature fan, but I found the JKP stuff I've seen more watchable than a lot of what Vivid, Wicked, & DP puts out.
I also want to say did anybody watch Jill on Pornocopia AND listen to her on her KSEXradio.com appearance? I did and I get the feeling Jill is trying to clear house so she can flip the companies image. This might explain why her AVN ads have become generic. "Why spend money on something your about to totally change?" I think Jill realized that the group of girls she had didn't allow her to compete with the other companies. She had a few g/g contracts that are really pointless. She had a girl that desperately wanted out so she could make the quick Gonzo money for her "make-up" habit. She had her best friend Tyler, but Tyler was never meant for #1 girl status. She is too laid back and chill to be the #1 "go JKP" girl. I say look for Jenna Haze to not be resigned g/g only. I think Jill is gonna sign girls that aren't the "usual" contract type and look to go a little more hardcore.
Does Jill even own JKP? I always thought she was just a figurehead. This is all academic to me, as I never paid them any attention except for the Shyla debacle.
If it means Jenna Haze might be unleashed on a Jenna-starved world of gonzo fans, I hope they go down the dumper ASAP!
AC, thank you and i hope you are right. i love jill and always have. i have many of her movies when she was active. and im going to wait and see what jill does about this. myself, i like features from vivid, wicked and others if the"re good. it all depends on if the movie is good and who"s in it in my opinion. if dee, tiffany mynx or nicole sheridan are in a movie, chances are i will take a look. i just wish the best for jill and her company.
stroker i respect your opinions, but why would you want them to go down? i admit i dont think they are as good as they can be, but i dont wish any porn company to go down. but as i said, i respect your opinions.
Jill Kelly does not own JKP. JKP is a public company. She does not own a controlling interest or even the largest interest. It's hard to say what her part of JKP is worth since it's not clear there are any buyers should she want to sell.
SEC documents say she's paid $300,000 per year by contract, which is hard to understand given their financial situation. She may well play an important role in the company - I have no idea - but nothing I can think of justifies that salary in a company that close to failure unless she's given up on rescuing it and is just cashing in the rest of her contract.
She is an officer of the company and hence at some risk from legal liability should things get ugly.
OK jrv, i believe you, but my Question is, who has the power to make changes over there? is it jill or is it someone else? who decides what kind of movies will be made and what girls will be hired? who decides when to let a contract girl go and who is hired to replace them? someone has to be in charge.
OK, I found the PDF. Robert Friedland is the guy in charge. The SEC documents won't go into who *really* calls the shots, except that Friedland could if he wanted.
Of the common stock Robert Friedland owns 52.8% and Jill Kelly owns 20.l6%. But their SEC filing was totally screwed up (it adds up to well over 100%) and it may be less.
Of the Series A preferred stock Friedland owns 24.7% and Jill Kelly none, although again the numbers are screwed up.
This filing is about a year old so there might have been some ownership changes.
thanks jrv, i will be sending bob friendland an email along with one to jill. i hope they will go back to being the old jkp, when people like jewel denyle and jill herself did movies. but again, thanks for the imfo jrv.
She is the reason I started buying porn in the first place instead of just watching 30 second sample clips on the internet.
I saw some samples of Internally Yours or something like that, I think from RLD. I was hooked from then on.
Then, the first movie I ever bought was her scene in Randy West's Up 'N' Cummers. She is damn cute.
My Dad knows I'm into watching porn, and he told me about a she he saw on HBO or Showtime, or something or other, in a hotel room on a business trip. It was a "reality" show about porn.
He asked me if I knew who Jenna Haze was, so I went into a long diatribe about how hot she is. He seemed to think it was funny when she got a boyfriend she started doing only g/g. He applauds her loyalty.
if you can tolerate spending a few minutes over at xpt, you'll have more info and edgar filings than you ever wanted with highlights such as avi mirman joining in and commenting he wouldn't get involved again,
Man jamesBoston, after reading all that i dont know what to think. all i know is i want this company to change what they are doing, and try something new. i dont care if its jill kelly or bob friendland making the decesions, something has to change for them to make it. i have made my suggestions in this thread, and i hope jill and bob will hear about it and do something to shake the company up.
I'm trying to pick & choose my public statements more carefully these days, but I have to jump in here for just a second to say that I think James is trying to "gently" point out the overweaning factoid here: Bob, who calls ALL the shots at JKP, & who seems to be not too fondly nicknamed "Mr. Burns" by some of the various contract girls he's glommed onto, DOESN'T CARE if the porn's any good. He's a very old man whose career has been as a stock-market shark, not a porn producer. He's not in this business to "make good porn." He's in this business for the girls, & because when it comes to his style of doing business, in this industry it's like taking candy from the proverbial baby. & before anyone says, "But you can make a lot of cash with a SUCCESSFUL company," I refer you to Mel Brooks' THE PRODUCERS. 'nuff said.
DAC, i hope thats not true, because if it is, there is no help for that company. i really liked some of the movies the jkp girls did for bizarre video, and then that relationship was done. now one girl after the other is leaving the company, and they are losing money! and you tell me that bob friendland does not care. dac, i believe you, why else would they keep doing what they are if they cared about money. im sending him an email in hopes that he may make the changes he has too for jkp to be good again. i dont want to see them go under.
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Goodbye Friends 293 Posts 3/05
Posted - May 9 2005 : 10:57PM
babby,
JKP is going down the toilet and there is nothing you or any of us on this forum can do about it. Sending him an email isn't going to change the way he runs his company or the way he treats the girls (In fact I doubt he even reads your email). I understand your concern for JKP but you have to look at this thing more realistically. The company isn't going to succeed if the owner doesn't want it to.
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Anal, i hope you are wrong about this. but i fear you are right. jkp was once one of the best companies in porn, and to see it go down like this is a pity. but i still dont get why bob friendland would not want the company to do well. it makes no sense.
[Iquote] babby wrote: Anal, i hope you are wrong about this. but i fear you are right. jkp was once one of the best companies in porn, and to see it go down like this is a pity. but i still dont get why bob friendland would not want the company to do well. it makes no sense. [/quote]
i wish tyler faith or Ashton moore would get in on this. they are the ones who know jill and bob the best. a lot of jkp fans wants going on over there. so ashton or tyler, if you read this, what is going on over there?
Oh sheesh, too much to even begin to go into. Supposedly she signed the contract, married Friedland, then split with Friedland and could not get out of her contract, but would not shoot for JKP, so her porn career was over. And maybe she got deported too, I don't know. She was at AEE in 2004. And does a lot of hooking. Still looks great even with a second set of implants. She was out of the box an amazingly slutty performer. She capped my favorite period at Anabolic, along with girls like Aurora Snow, April Flowers, Adriana Sage and early Gauge. And Kacey. Yumpin' Yiminy! Those were the days.
Man, there are a million porn companies and a million girls to make porn for them, so why is anyone all up in a fuss about a company that's apparently crappy? Just let it go ... Go rent some Evil Angel and dry your tears, for cryin' out loud. There are so many more important things happening in the world. Admittedly. I've never seen any JKP product, so maybe they once stood for something. Obviously, they have fans. But I have simply never heard anything positive about their movies. They signed a few hotties (like Jenna "Air Tight!" Haze), but I don't know what else would recommend them to a gonzo diehard such as myself.
Sorry JKP=Naptime for me....I am not knocking it...just I have not been happy with them since Adult Movie and 100% Jill ...everything else I picked up I have been very disapointed in.
i wish bob or jill would post here and let some of us jkp fans know whats going on with the company. has jill or bob ever posted here on adult dvd talk?
I have tried to call and to talk to someone about the stock and the future of this company but it is very difficult as they are always in meetings.
I have been able to speak to a Mr. Dan Ice who they say is in charge but he always transfers me to salesman by the name of Mr. Mike Barbela who is the most unpleasant man I have ever had the privilege of speaking to.
Mr. Barbela actually went as far as to laugh at me because I was calling this past week with my concerns about the stock and losing money. He basically told me if I didn't want to buy any DVDs he didn't have tome to talk to me or address any of my concerns.
He also told me that all the stock info and the SEC filings were confidential and he would have to have his lawyer release them.
If anyone has any more information they would like to share I would be very interested in it.
If anyone has the same concerns as I do I would urge them to call and ask to speak to Mr. Ice or Mr. Friedland at 818-255-7330.
my bad, its stronker instead of stroker. HAHAHAHA. but back to this thread. JKP is not hopeless, it can be saved if bob friendland would let jill do what she does best, make hardedge movies with lots of rough sex. lets have a movie where tiffany mynx does a domination scene with nicole sheridan. go out and see if you can get a kira kerner, sunrise adams or taylor hays, to come back and do movies again. i love the new girls, but i want to see some people i know in some of these movies. i also wish jill would come back and do a hardedge girl girl domination line. so like i said, jkp is not dead yet! but it is on life support.
there's tons of stuff filed on EDGAR, it may not be from 2-hours ago but it says enough. i'd expect them to sell their catalog by the end of the year at the latest, probably sometime in the next month or two, were i a betting-man. don't even waste your time thinking about their stock, it wasn't ever a company with shareholders and daily-trading, it's owned by the people who started it. i'm just waiting for the nasty stuff, i'm pretty positive people aren't going to lose the same percentage of what they put in. cloudy, 70% chance of lawsuits, cooling in the evening with three-dozen pages of accusations on lukeisback.com
There was a time when JKP was my fav company. I really appreciated a lot of the porn that came out from them and have a pretty good amount of their dvds.
but honestly, i have not bought much since alexis left, actually..no new titles. while i have checked out what they have done...
...i'm over it. That's not to say they can't bust out some good stuff, but honestly...at this point, why should i bother. I have enough great stuff by them.
its so sad what has happen at jkp. i remember the days of girls like jill herself, sondra hall, star E. knight, haven, jewel denyle and keri windsor. those were the days i started buying and renting movies from jkp. the girl girl scene between nicole sheridan and sondra hall, in the movie out of control was one hot scene. there were a lot of great scenes in those days. i hate so much what has happen to that company. bob friendland if you read this, give the company a chance again! and go out and hire some name girls and do the kind of movies you did in the early days. its not to late. YET.
