Is today's porn what we really want?

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Dildoslime Member 177 Posts 4/09	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 1:20PM I'll admit up front that at 50+ years old, I've become my old man. I don't get a lot of the younger generation, and yes, their music is too damned loud. I probably started watching porn in the late 70s, so that's my referrence point. I read the threads on here such as the things people hate in porn, does porn deminish a woman, etc, and it makes me wonder. I get that a lot of the threads on here are for fringe interests, and that's always been there. But it seems that porn has gone the route of reality tv, which doesn't seem to represent the average Joe/Jane. Years back we had Fear Factor, the first popular tv show that had peole do things that only people like bar geeks did way back in the day, eating weird shit and doing weird things for attention. It was very popular and made it's way into other tv. But that mostly died down over time. People moved on. It feels like the same thing is happening to porn, but it doesn't feel like it will move on. Back in the day, we, at least the people I knew, watched porn as "if only it could be us". I can't imagine that's how a lot of mainstream porn is watched today. It seems to be more about what can be done to the girl. And I really don't get it. Do most of us really want to be one of not just 2, not just 3, but now 4 guys with a dick in one girls ass? Do most of us want to be a guy that demeans or humiliates a girl? Do most of us really have incestuous desires? What happened to pretty women doing things with guys that we wish we could do? I know that's still out there, it just doesn't seem to be the driving force anymore. Maybe it's just me.... Edited by - dildoslime on Jan 20 2016 [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 2:25PM ^I think more women and heterosexual men are interested in having anal sex now than they were in the late '70s, Point being, what "we" wish we could do changes over time. [Link]
Dildoslime Member 177 Posts 4/09	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 3:07PM I think most guys have wanted anal sex, and many can't have it in real life, that goes way back. My point is not about wanting to watch anal, as that is one of the things we watched as "if I could do that". But I don't (nor do I imagine the majority of porn viewers) watch 2 or more guys do that to a girl and think the same thing. Classic or pov or intimate porn lends itself better toward living vicariously though the male talent than today's porn does with the direction that it appears it is heading . [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 4:10PM ^Though I don't agree with you that the interest in anal sex hasn't grown considerably from what it was, anal was just an example to illustrate that what kind of sex people are interested in is not static. For instance, more people are interested in BDSM now than maybe ever. Now I'm not saying that I necessarily want to be DAPed or that men necessarily want to DAP someone, but obviously the idea of a woman being DAPed appeals to men on some level (though probably not quite in the same way that appeals to me) that it didn't before. That said, there's no trend in mainstream toward DAPs. There's one studio, in Europe, that regularly releases that kind of content. I have no doubt that many men fantasize about having rough sex, if that's what you meant by wanting "to be a guy that demeans or humiliates a girl." My impression is that many of these guys would not be comfortable having rough sex in real life, but watching it in a porn scene is "safe" so to speak. As for me, I enjoy having rough sex in my personal life and I fantasize about it, so I enjoy watching it and even envy the women in those scenes. However, the production of really rough, mainstream content peaked years ago and has been in free fall for years. Gonzo era is over, and as with DAPs, you're a number of years too late to take about this kind of sex as if it's taken over mainstream porn. Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/20/2016 4:11:48 PM [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 6:35PM misspornUSA wrote: Gonzo era is over Click to expand This is interesting. What era are we in? [Link]

misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 7:57PM ^I'm waiting for someone to name it, lol. Do you disagree that gonzo era is over? It's seemed to me that there is a consensus among fans that gonzo began to decline after 2007. One of the things that I remember is Brazzers revamping to focus on scripted scenarios at that time. grantland wrote: I wonder if we will ever get a Book on the peak of the Gonzo Era. I know the years can be up for debate but I'm thinking 2002-2007. . . . During these years, it seemed like RLD was releasing 2-3 movies a week. We also had Diabolic, Anabolic, and Platinum X Pictures going strong. It seemed like every 18 and 19 year old was doing anal withing 6-12 months of their careers. DP's were also very common. We saw a lot more hardcore scenes and the money was flowing (piracy wasn't a big problem during this time). Click to expand Canadian_Cindy wrote: Back in that 2000 - 2007 era the girls could, if they wanted to, get as many double anal scenes as they wanted, no problem. Just ask Sandra Romain, or Audrey Hollander, or Jayna Oso , or Bridgette Kerkove, or Kelly Wells.... for example. Think of what Legal Porno is doing now. Back then you had at least a half a dozen companies pumping out 10+ double anal scenes a month throughout their various lines. Click to expand [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 9:10PM Dildoslime wrote: Back in the day, we, at least the people I knew, watched porn as "if only it could be us". I can't imagine that's how a lot of mainstream porn is watched today. It seems to be more about what can be done to the girl. And I really don't get it. Do most of us really want to be one of not just 2, not just 3, but now 4 guys with a dick in one girls ass? Do most of us want to be a guy that demeans or humiliates a girl? Do most of us really have incestuous desires? What happened to pretty women doing things with guys that we wish we could do? I know that's still out there, it just doesn't seem to be the driving force anymore. Maybe it's just me.... Edited by - dildoslime on Jan 20 2016 Click to expand There is a lot of porn being produced that will suit your tastes. Heck ,Dani Daniels just got a POTY award and she did many beautiful scenes with women, or with a guy and vaginal sex. Nice and simple and enjoyable. She doesn't do anal or anything beyond that. So these types of scenes are celebrated by many people. One thing you need to consider is this place (ADT). This message forum skews heavily towards anal, group, rough, gangbang, blowbang, and so on. You see thread after thread about it. So, if you do not like this kind of stuff, you may see this forum and think that is the only porn out there and feel discouraged. There is much more out there than we get in threads in the porn pool forum. My porn interests are very wide, and I get certain interests served here; and other interests I look around a bit more. People knock Brazzers on here; but I tell you, if you really just want to see a man and a woman have great sex with no slapping or rough or anal or anything like that... they can get you many scenes to fit the bill for a reasonable monthly fee. They of course do anal and rough stuff too, but they have a huge library of what you might be looking for. I am a member and it really feeds my enjoyment when I am in the mood for softer types of scenes between two beautiful people. I hope this perspective helps a bit. [Link]
zanders59 Member 57 Posts 1/16	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 9:19PM I can't answer for anyone else, but it's not what I want (for the most part). I'm in my late 30s and my first exposure to porn was stuff from the 70s and 80s. When I started watching porn regularly in the 90s I enjoyed it until the late 90s or early 2000s when things started getting nastier and rougher. I'm also not crazy about all the cosmetic work and lots of tattoos with the performers these days. But apparently a lot of people like those things these days because it is so prominent. But with that said there is still some modern stuff and stars I like, but I'd say the majority of what I was watched and most of my favorite stuff is the old stuff from the 70s through the 90s. Edited by - zanders59 on 1/20/2016 9:22:57 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 9:24PM ^^It's interesting that you should say that. I remember when Pornstars Punishment was Brazzers' premier site, then poof it was gone. 7 months later Bound Gangbangs stopped updating on Kink. Not a fun year for me, lol. Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/20/2016 9:25:20 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/20/2016 9:37:36 PM [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 9:39PM Dildoslime wrote: I'll admit up front that at 50+ years old, I've become my old man. I don't get a lot of the younger generation, and yes, their music is too damned loud. I probably started watching porn in the late 70s, so that's my referrence point. I read the threads on here such as the things people hate in porn, does porn deminish a woman, etc, and it makes me wonder. I get that a lot of the threads on here are for fringe interests, and that's always been there. But it seems that porn has gone the route of reality tv, which doesn't seem to represent the average Joe/Jane. Click to expand The first thing you need to keep in mind is that this site is mostly composed of hardcore porn superfans. The average casual porn watcher doesn't put in the kind of time and effort that goes on here following girls careers, joining numerous sites, logging in so much porn watching time, and being so demanding of the porn they watch. The average porn watcher can only name a handful of girls, is far less demanding, and just watches whatever free porn floats their boat. Also, this site mostly made up of a hardcore Gonzo crowd who seem over preoccupied with anal and IR sex. There's all sorts of porn out there and being produced but this crowd mostly talks about a fairly narrow type of porn and view porn that isn't within that spectrum as "bad" or a waste of time. There's plenty of straightforward porn out there where it isn't a circus act or is degrading or rough or weird but it's not talked about much here and we're at a point where much of the top selling porn is the more extreme stuff or is catering to a particular fetish or gimmick. Back in the day, we, at least the people I knew, watched porn as "if only it could be us". I can't imagine that's how a lot of mainstream porn is watched today. It seems to be more about what can be done to the girl. And I really don't get it. Do most of us really want to be one of not just 2, not just 3, but now 4 guys with a dick in one girls ass? Do most of us want to be a guy that demeans or humiliates a girl? Do most of us really have incestuous desires? What happened to pretty women doing things with guys that we wish we could do? I know that's still out there, it just doesn't seem to be the driving force anymore Click to expand I agree with you that a lot of porn has from just watching a pretty girl get banged to "Let's see what and how much we can do to this girl..." or "How can we make this different and edgy?"...But I have to think that there are some people who just go along with the various types of porn because they are fans of certain girls or certain studios and do get that wrapped up in the premise of a lot of that stuff. There seems to be a lot of incest porn out there but I buy it because of the performers and could care less about the incest slant. I like IR porn but I end up watching Cuckold scenes/movies because it's IR, not because I'm into cuckolding. I don't get the fascination with creampies but I'll watch a creampie movie if I like the girls performing in them. But these types of fetish movies have their fans so if a studio can figure something to attract viewers they didn't have before they'll do it and milk it to death until the next thing comes around. I watch lots of stuff I'm not really into just to get to the actual sex with girls I want to see. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of other people who do the same thing. [Link]
Canadian_Cindy Deactivated User 1102 Posts 2/15	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 9:39PM misspornUSA wrote: ^^It's interesting that you should say that. I remember when Pornstars Punishment was Brazzers' premier site, then poof it was gone. 7 months later Bound Gangbangs stopped updating on Kink. Not a fun year for me, lol. Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/20/2016 9:25:20 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/20/2016 9:37:36 PM Click to expand I really liked Pornstars Punishment from Brazzers... They have lots of stuff, I was just letting this man know that they do produce a lot of what he may like to see. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 9:42PM Canadian_Cindy wrote: There is a lot of porn being produced that will suit your tastes. Heck ,Dani Daniels just got a POTY award and she did many beautiful scenes with women, or with a guy and vaginal sex. Nice and simple and enjoyable. She doesn't do anal or anything beyond that. So these types of scenes are celebrated by many people. One thing you need to consider is this place (ADT). This message forum skews heavily towards anal, group, rough, gangbang, blowbang, and so on. You see thread after thread about it. So, if you do not like this kind of stuff, you may see this forum and think that is the only porn out there and feel discouraged. There is much more out there than we get in threads in the porn pool forum. My porn interests are very wide, and I get certain interests served here; and other interests I look around a bit more. People knock Brazzers on here; but I tell you, if you really just want to see a man and a woman have great sex with no slapping or rough or anal or anything like that... they can get you many scenes to fit the bill for a reasonable monthly fee. They of course do anal and rough stuff too, but they have a huge library of what you might be looking for. I am a member and it really feeds my enjoyment when I am in the mood for softer types of scenes between two beautiful people. I hope this perspective helps a bit. Click to expand I agree. I didn't see this response before I posted saying some of the same things. I personally don't get it when people talk about what they don't like because there's so much content out there there's no need to watch stuff you don't like. If a person doesn't like the new stuff the porn from earlier eras is still available. I watch a mixture of old and new stuff. I don't think one era is automatically superior to another, it's just different. Edited by - draxxx on 1/20/2016 9:48:31 PM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 10:11PM Canadian_Cindy wrote: misspornUSA wrote: ^^It's interesting that you should say that. I remember when Pornstars Punishment was Brazzers' premier site, then poof it was gone. 7 months later Bound Gangbangs stopped updating on Kink. Not a fun year for me, lol. Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/20/2016 9:25:20 PM Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/20/2016 9:37:36 PM Click to expand I really liked Pornstars Punishment from Brazzers... They have lots of stuff, I was just letting this man know that they do produce a lot of what he may like to see. Click to expand I know, it's just funny how things change, and how Brazzers was sometimes a microcosm of the industry in that regard. The shift from gonzo, the shift from rough porn, etc. [Link]
chessmaster Member 768 Posts 6/12	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 10:16PM There's no way in hell this site is indicative of what the average Joe watches(even the people that pay for their porn). I don't know what arousal anyone can get from gangbangs and DPs but w/e floats your boat I guess. Seems like most people on here have something against vanilla porn and meanwhile everything anal or more is automatically glorified. Its amazing how many posters have to remind everyone of their hatred for anything not anal or more extreme. I guess its to be expected. The most vocal group isnt always the biggest group. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 10:25PM chessmaster wrote: There's no way in hell this site is indicative of what the average Joe watches(even the people that pay for their porn). Click to expand I don't think we know that. It would seem that pornstars with long threads on the forum are successful pornstars, so that does seem to reflect the mainstream. Blacked is booming and that also has a long, active thread. I don't think these forums are necessarily quite as fringe as you think. [Link]

Dildoslime Member 177 Posts 4/09	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 11:02PM I'm sure I over simplified my point of view in opening this thead. I am in no way basing how I see things just on the content here. I simply used some as examples. I also don't want all porn to be vanilla. I get there is still a ton of vanilla porn out there. And I'm not hating on any of the porn. I don't like some of it, but I have no problem not watching the porn I don't like. I am just wondering out loud if what appears to be the direction of porn, what seems to be becoming mainstream, if that's the porn people want. Through the years, there has always been what would be viewed as basic porn, and fringe porn. I think there's a need for both. I'm just wondering about the fact that the lines seem more blurred than ever, and it just seems to me that that isn't necessarily a good thing. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 11:55PM ^I just don't see as much blurring as you do. Imho, your only valid example thus far has been incest porn. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 11:59PM ^^Are you maybe talking about the decline of full length feature porn? [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 3:37AM zanders59 wrote: But apparently a lot of people like those things these days because it is so prominent. Click to expand This is the really interesting thing though. I don't believe that porn is magically some exact reflection of what its audience 'wants.' This view seems to be built on a naive belief that the production model of porn is some kind of transparent system that simply serves viewers, not being shaped in any way by the commercial needs of the producers, those same restrictions on them and what they produce, the social marginalization of the industry, the personal tastes and preferences of the producers, directors, performers or social norms. For years very little IR or black-on-black porn of any quality was produced because 'people didn't want it.' Women with big butts were 'fat' and big butts only were supposedly only popular with black and Latino viewers. Women don't watch porn. Girl-girl wouldn't sell. Transexuals were only of fringe interest. Face-sitting or pegging wouldn't sell, etc, etc. Yet we've seen again and again that when this material is produced well and promoted it often did more than decent business after decades of being dismissed by many of those in the industry. It is only now that tubesite and downloading are starting to hurt the industry that the tide of diversity is starting to turn, unfortunately, as the industry as a whole contracts. As Canadian Cindy says despite the fans of the more extreme end of rough porn often being the most vocal on forums and elsewhere there is relatively 'silent' but significant part of the viewership for porn who also want to watch 'vanilla,' naturalistic, mutually enjoyable fucking one-on-one. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 11:29AM BlackSix wrote: zanders59 wrote: But apparently a lot of people like those things these days because it is so prominent. Click to expand This is the really interesting thing though. I don't believe that porn is magically some exact reflection of what its audience 'wants.' Click to expand True. But insofar as what zanders59 was talking about, if it weren't profitable it wouldn't be made. There are plenty of alternatives out there to "all the cosmetic work and lots of tattoos", and if people were consistently losing money shooting those kinds of performers it stands to reason that they wouldn't shoot them. [Link]
Dildoslime Member 177 Posts 4/09	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 11:55AM ^ People are going to pick off the menu they are given when they are hungry. Doesn't mean we don't want a better menu. And to say they wouldn't make it if they didn't make money doesn't mean they wouldn't make even more money if they made a better product. To continue with the menu concept, some of the best place I've eaten at don't have a huge menu, they have a few things that are appealing to the majority of people, and a few "other" things for those that want something different. That's what porn used to be. Now it seems that vanilla porn is heading toward the "other" things. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 12:32PM Dildoslime wrote: People are going to pick off the menu they are given when they are hungry. Doesn't mean we don't want a better menu. Click to expand That's why I mentioned that alternatives exist. There's plenty of porn out there that doesn't fit zanders59's description. Consumers aren't stuck with that one menu the way IR fans (such as myself), for example, were stuck with a certain menu pre-Blacked. Dildoslime wrote: And to say they wouldn't make it if they didn't make money doesn't mean they wouldn't make even more money if they made a better product. Click to expand That I agree with. Dildoslime wrote: To continue with the menu concept, some of the best place I've eaten at don't have a huge menu, they have a few things that are appealing to the majority of people, and a few "other" things for those that want something different. That's what porn used to be. Now it seems that vanilla porn is heading toward the "other" things. Click to expand Besides the incest themed porn, I'm still not sure what you're talking about here. [Link]
Dildoslime Member 177 Posts 4/09	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 3:15PM Besides incest.... I went to adult empire and looked up the top ten best selling videos. All but 2 had at least one, and usually more than one of the following. Ass to mouth Double anal Double pussy Anal fisting Pussy fisting Gape Bondage Dual penetration Squirting Cum swapping The 2 that didn't have any of those were both interracial. [Link]
Hardware All-Star Member Your other left 14595 Posts 3/02	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 4:07PM In reply to the original question, I don't know that porn was ever what we really wanted, because people are all over the map when it comes to what kind of pornography floats their boat. As for myself, I have only found a small fraction of the available product to be of any interest, ever. My interest is piqued by performers, first and foremost. It isn't enough that a film features this or that sex act. Furthermore, I still have to believe that the director will actually deliver a decent product before my interest rises to the level of making a purchase (ie, really wanting it). In regard to watching porn as "if only it could be us", I'm not clear on what 'it' is. If we're talking sex acts, uh, no. Porn's got nothing on my imagination, and if I didn't think of it then odds are one of my partners did. That isn't to suggest that I've done everything depicted in pornography, of course. I have no interest in doing a lot of what porn portrays. [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 4:58PM ^^I'm more of a website girl. Anal becoming mainstream always meant meant that a2m was going to become mainstream as well imo. Anyway, the first four entries (two Blacked dvds, a Jesse Jane showcase, and a threesome dvd from Pure Passion) aren't extreme. Then we have an Angela White dvd which has a few extreme firsts. Next is a Tushy dvd, which, as is the case with Lansky's work, is not extreme. Ava's dvd, which has the no. 7 spot, has a gangbang, and a New Sensations movie which follows has some BDSM. The last two movies are a wild Adriana Chechik film and and another Lansky entry, this time from Blacked. Only four of the ten bestsellers have extreme content. Lansky's work is the most represented of any single director among Adult Empire's DVD bestsellers. If Lansky is to be considered representative of the mainstream, what's the problem? Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/21/2016 7:25:11 PM [Link]

Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 6:45PM misspornUSA wrote: ^I'm waiting for someone to name it, lol. Do you disagree that gonzo era is over? It's seemed to me that there is a consensus among fans that gonzo began to decline after 2007. One of the things that I remember is Brazzers revamping to focus on scripted scenarios at that time. Click to expand No, I don't disagree. You sort of crystallized something that has been gnawing at me. I wonder, do people insist that we are in the gonzo era because for some people "gonzo" has come to mean a specific style of sex? As opposed to a particular format? Kind of like the word "hardcore" is used by people here on ADT incorrectly to refer to hard/rough sex, when it actually means unsimulated. [Link]
Gore Gore Girl Doctor of the Erotic Arts 7238 Posts 1/09	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 8:07PM To respond to the OP, I understand the alarm at what might seem to be an escalation in content with a focus on "doing things to women." There are certainly examples of this. However, I have never really watched porn in the sense of "I want to do that." At least, very rarely and certainly I don't watch it looking for what I actually want to do in real life. [Link]
Goldstein All-Star Member "You have sacrificed nothing and no one." 3689 Posts 8/10	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 8:09PM Goldstein prefers one-on-one vanilla sex and hairy pussies. Plenty of blowjobs, vaginal sex (all positions) and facial cumshots (preferred). Minimal tattoos, if at all. I tolerate anal, and can live with it as part of the mix. No circus acts, and any kind of abuse or humiliation is a deal breaker. Scat isn't sex -- no matter that there are those that want to masturbate to it. And, this is fine. They buy what they want and I don't have to. The real issue then becomes what becomes considered "mainstream"? I'm thinking that, as long as there are buffet websites (e.g. Brazzers) and niche websites (e.g. BDSM, etc.), it doesn't much matter to me -- as I can watch what I like and ignore what I don't (see my opening paragraph). There currently seems to be more than enough content being produced so that reasonable people can get what they like. (Niche freaks will never be satisfied, as the marketplace will never produce the amount of "niche" content they want) On-the-other-hand, if I'm buying disks, and they start "mainstreaming" content I don't care for -- and I get stuck with it -- then I'd be pissed. Bottom line: as long as I can continue buying and watching porn I like -- and product is properly labeled so you can avoid what you don't want -- I don't care. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 9:20PM BlackSix wrote: For years very little IR or black-on-black porn of any quality was produced because 'people didn't want it.' Women with big butts were 'fat' and big butts only were supposedly only popular with black and Latino viewers. Women don't watch porn. Girl-girl wouldn't sell. Transexuals were only of fringe interest. Face-sitting or pegging wouldn't sell, etc, etc. Click to expand I think porn watchers have evolved over time. I think with some of the common stuff we see today if it had been done regularly back in the 70s, 80s or 90s it would've have been so well received. I can't imagine a 80s audience in general being so taken gagging, slapping, gaping and such. Of course there were people who would've loved seeing that but I think they were a small minority. I think the 70s were all about the audience being able to watch a couple have sex. The 90s were about the audience wanting to see hot girls have sex. The later 2000s introduced the more extreme era and now we seem to be in the how much can we do to this girl era. I'm generalizing of course. The same goes for many of the performers. There are girls now who are big stars that wouldn't have had the same type of a career in earlier eras of porn because being extreme can get a girl just as far as good looks did back when. The big butt era of porn didn't become "mainstream" in porn until mainstream America accepted and embraced it. Yeah, there were always people who like big butts but it wasn't always that big in mainstream porn. There are times I think it would be cool to have a time machine to put some girls into the era that would best suit their career and skill set. There have been some more extreme performers who never got their chance to shine in an earlier era because there just wasn't much of that type of performance being filmed. And there are some girls today who look great but don't do the more extreme stuff that would've made great contract girls back then. [Link]
Kink Williams All-Star Member Yeah Jeets! 809 Posts 8/13	Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 11:00PM zanders59 wrote: I can't answer for anyone else, but it's not what I want (for the most part). I'm in my late 30s and my first exposure to porn was stuff from the 70s and 80s. When I started watching porn regularly in the 90s I enjoyed it until the late 90s or early 2000s when things started getting nastier and rougher. I'm also not crazy about all the cosmetic work and lots of tattoos with the performers these days. But apparently a lot of people like those things these days because it is so prominent. Click to expand I also get what the OP is trying to say here. Like Goldstein, don't really enjoy the anal scenes too much, but (like the guy above says) far be it for me to deny anyone else. I always leaned towards Digital Sin / New Sensations, cause I always felt like they got it. Beautiful Women being fucked to orgasm. I think that's just a consistent formula for a good porn scene. I do apologize if I'm offending anyone . All of a sudden, NS is into this incest thing. It's one thing to bang your cousin, but this has gone a little too far IMHO. A little spectacular, acrobatic sex is occasionally entertaining, and a good show, but as Jeanna Fine said (going back a few years), the best place for sex is just a good, old-fashioned bed. Ya know, I can't say that my point of view has changed too much over time - maybe the volume has to be a bit louder these days to do the trick, so to speak. ----> Here's an idea that will never happen...the live sex show. Fucking in concert. Pick me up some tix. [Link]
high_flyin5 Member 729 Posts 6/10	Posted - Jan 22 2016 : 12:34AM Well as it pertains to anal sex specifically, there has been a cultural shift toward an increased desire (at least openly admitting to desiring it). As someone who sticks primarily to web subscriptions, I think there's a pretty fair amount of variety in regards to the kinds of sex acts the OP was describing. I would somewhat agree that what is often considered to be "vanilla" sex in an average boy-girl scene is somewhat rougher than perhaps a person may have seen in 70's-80's era porn, which I actually do find to be somewhat disconcerting. On the IR front, I think it's a mixed bag (there's already many threads devoted to that though). This may be a slightly reductive way of looking at it, but I do think it largely depends on what avenues you're looking. Porn in the 70's came from a rather centralized industry, unlike now where producers are attempting to capture eyeballs by appealing to niche crowds as a means of staving off the blow that's been felt by piracy and tube sites. Edited by - high_flyin5 on 1/22/2016 12:36:25 AM [Link]
high_flyin5 Member 729 Posts 6/10	Posted - Jan 22 2016 : 12:35AM whoops, duplicate post my apologies Edited by - high_flyin5 on 1/22/2016 12:35:54 AM [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 22 2016 : 2:07PM Gore Gore Girl wrote: misspornUSA wrote: ^I'm waiting for someone to name it, lol. Do you disagree that gonzo era is over? It's seemed to me that there is a consensus among fans that gonzo began to decline after 2007. One of the things that I remember is Brazzers revamping to focus on scripted scenarios at that time. Click to expand No, I don't disagree. You sort of crystallized something that has been gnawing at me. I wonder, do people insist that we are in the gonzo era because for some people "gonzo" has come to mean a specific style of sex? As opposed to a particular format? Kind of like the word "hardcore" is used by people here on ADT incorrectly to refer to hard/rough sex, when it actually means unsimulated. Click to expand Hmm. That may be the case. [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jan 23 2016 : 11:20AM My response was going to be, "I want choices, so everyone's particular preferences can be met. Their are more options now than ever." For instance: I like Jerk Off Encouragement, and that genre didn't even exist until recently. KinkWilliams wrote: [...] ----> Here's an idea that will never happen...the live sex show. Fucking in concert. Pick me up some tix. Click to expand As I've discussed in a thread on live sex shows, I used to be a front row guy in Times Square. The theaters that I frequented typically featured 3-4 girls a week; about 50% of the time, one of them would perform with a guy. Two couples performed pretty often. One girl was a skinny brunette who once very gently stroked my cock with an S&M whip. S&M was never my style, so I had no idea how nice those things felt until that moment. The other regular was a chunkier blonde girl. I had the sense that her boyfriend was more into it than she was, as he used to leer at the audience while he was fucking his girlfriend. That said, they were generally more interactive. One time, he lifted her up, sat her down right next to me and continued to fuck her. They were so close, I could have easily groped her. Another time, he handed me a dildo to use on her, but I dropped it on the floor. As you can imagine, the floors weren't very clean, so I lost my chance. I don't remember seeing any big name performers having on-stage sex, but I've heard that Serena and Jamie Gillis used to. I would love to see the return of the live sex show, but in today's heavily-surveilled society, I couldn't imagine jerking off during one. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 23 2016 : 6:59PM ^ Diversity was the intial promise of the net but now due to the damage wrecked on the porn economy by tubes and downloading the industry is contracting and our options are actually shrinking, not expanding. At least when it comes to quality niche porn. Edited by - BlackSix on 1/23/2016 6:59:52 PM [Link]

CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jan 23 2016 : 7:37PM ^ I half-agree with you on quality niche porn. I like Jerk Off Encouragement. Some performers are excellent dirty-talkers, so there is some high quality dirty-talking available, though the overall production quality is generally poor to so-so. I am drawn to a hard-to-find sub-genre of Jerk Off Encouragement. (I would call it hardcore JOE.) I once emailed Casey Calvert to ask if she could do a custom with Veruca James and a guy. Veruca would talk dirty to the viewer and play with herself while watching Casey fuck the guy. She had no problem whatsoever with the request, and based on the responses of some of her fans who have bought customs, the quality would have been pretty high. Still (as I expected) the price was more than I was prepared to pay. So in theory, high quality hardcore JOE that fulfills my very particular kink is available, but I would need to pay a lot. I'm not a fan of the genres Kink.com's produces, but it strikes me as high quality. I have the sense that Rob at FTV does good work, and he seems to be into young women masturbating in public. Though I've never checked out his site, I think there is high quality porn that satisfies that fetish. So given the highly idiosyncratic nature of human fetishes, it may be that if a particular pornographer is committed to doing high quality work, then there will be high quality porn that satisfies that person's kinks. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 23 2016 : 7:51PM There's still good stuff being produced for sure, HardX, EroticaX, Dana and Manuel directing for Evil Angel, sites like Blacked, I Feel Myself and Kiss Me Girl I've enjoyed. Most of Kink isn't my thing but quite well done as well. But while still healthy new g/g from the major studios seems to have gone away, Silvera's production rate has slipped so quality TS and strap on material is rarer. Good BJ and handjob series are nearly gone, the better POV work of Mike John and Swine has preciptiously slowed. Most seriously quality black-on-black, latino and black directed material seems to have taken the biggest hit during the economic contraction. PS. I'm a big fan of JOI videos as well, Siri and Caroline Pierce did great videos. I do wish more of it was made with bigger performers and in better quality too, there is good stuff being done but it is often buried in the cheaper less inventive deluge. But part of the growth JOI is probably the shrinking profit margin for video porn. [Link]
Kink Williams All-Star Member Yeah Jeets! 809 Posts 8/13	Posted - Jan 25 2016 : 10:53AM KinkWilliams wrote: [...] ----> Here's an idea that will never happen...the live sex show. Fucking in concert. Pick me up some tix. Click to expand CunningLinguist Wrote: As I've discussed in a thread on live sex shows, I used to be a front row guy in Times Square. The theaters that I frequented typically featured 3-4 girls a week; about 50% of the time, one of them would perform with a guy. Two couples performed pretty often. One girl was a skinny brunette who once very gently stroked my cock with an S&M whip. I would love to see the return of the live sex show, but in today's heavily-surveilled society, I couldn't imagine jerking off during one. Click to expand CL, Damn. That's a great post - awesome pic, already in the hard drive over here... Yes - i too remember the days of Show World Center, et al. had some times, but never a scenario in there quite like that, though. Had an encounter with a dancer in a FL gentleman's club on a road trip about 10 years ago. These spontaneous...uh..occurrences do tend to be memorable. As far as the live show, I would not mind waiting til later on to pull junior out...it'd be a small price to pay. It is sad that we've gotten so anal-retentive on this subject, with all the other issues in our laws involving or daily lives that remain unresolved. It seems the last venue of pure hedonism is the AMP - even that's disappearing. I tried to start a thread on this myself, it went nowhere. Live Show...the future? It focused on the Jakeline Teen/Rob Diesel live show. Not sure where exactly that took place - naturally was not the USA. Wherever it was - seems like a good idea. I mean, you can't pirate a live show... at least not live. Not too familiar w/ Diesel , but Jakeline Teen is almost always spectacular. Edited by - KinkWilliams on 1/25/2016 12:26:08 PM [Link]
Kink Williams All-Star Member Yeah Jeets! 809 Posts 8/13	Posted - Jan 25 2016 : 10:56AM ok...Barcelona [Link]
biggins Member 657 Posts 5/09	Posted - Jan 26 2016 : 2:25PM After looking at capt Jacks pictures from the recent avn photos what I see is how beautiful these women look in spandex shorts, office or business attire, dresses and street clothes. I miss this look in porn. Some of the old( 75-95 ) vintage had many of the girls dressed like this. In other words, more imagination. Don't get me wrong, I loved gonzo and still do. There is just not the long BTS like there used to be. [Link]
CummingLinguist All-Star Member 5908 Posts 11/11	Posted - Jan 26 2016 : 11:50PM KinkWilliams wrote: I tried to start a thread on this myself, it went nowhere. Live Show...the future? Click to expand I never even noticed that thread. For a while I've felt that porn needs to develop a different business model. I would also like to see the return of the live sex show, though as I've said, there was a context– including my feeling like I could masturbate during the show– that will probably never return. [Link]
moebius22 Senior Member 1528 Posts 12/09	Posted - Jan 27 2016 : 1:19AM There used to be a time when a two guy DP was concerned extreme. Now it seems like if you're not starting with 3 guys+, it's not good enough. The girls doesn't even get a chance to perform. She's just a emotionless dick sucking machine getting pumped. Legal Porno is one of the worst abusers. Edited by - moebius22 on 1/27/2016 1:21:51 AM Edited by - moebius22 on 1/27/2016 1:32:49 AM [Link]
Kink Williams All-Star Member Yeah Jeets! 809 Posts 8/13	Posted - Jan 27 2016 : 8:11PM moebius22 wrote: Now it seems like if you're not starting with 3 guys+, it's not good enough. Click to expand And yet we still cant get a live sex show goin'... Seriously the potential of the genre would be incredible. There's no question: the stars fuck better today. Imagine a Manuel Ferrara Raw episode live. How many here would shell out bucks to see, for example, Manual and Mia Rose fuck each other's brains out live - or another couple with similar chemistry. I've always thought Jakeline Teen was a great performer - especially her scenes with Nacho were crazy. Watchin those two live would be worth the price of admission. That thing that went down in Barcelona was so raw and unscripted - basically an orgy that went on in an abandoned warehouse or some damn place. With some theatrics thrown in. It was a great idea - and well done. More please...even if its overseas. [Link]
Dragon Sign Deactivated User 3381 Posts 12/13	Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 9:56AM Seems like much of what is regarded new is made for the internet and not for consumption by the DVD and HD-TV people but that does not necessarily make it any fresher if it wasn't for the new girls. They too often seem overworked these days and not that fresh at all even if they're New and supposed to. It's the same old studs around and they may not be that good any more like if they have been doing too much now. I have my eyes on Jules Jordan and I am quite aware of that company's preference to producing quality for the DVD market. Almost every other production company did the things way better before. Digital Sin/New Sensation must be the worst excample I can think of. They throw out quantities like there's no tomorrow and it's not watchable mostly because of lousy acting and lightning and no make up at all even if I don't like make up I don't like the combination of pale skin and poor/bad/too much lightning walking hand inn hand with stupid "Brothers do their sister"-titles and BTSes full of stupid questions about "what superpowers you would like to have" & "how old were you the first time..." followed by amateurish acting by non actors soooo I have given them up by now. There seem to be too much viagra guys around there as well like if the chicks wasn't any tempting. Hate that for a fact. I don't pay to be pissed. Evil Angel too are pissing me off too much these days. It's a Waste of Money as in James Deen pulls off slowfood porn in his home some where and nothing happens except for slow dialoguetalking where nothing happens and a camera that motherfuckin never change angle and Deen has to break up progression to walk over and manhandle himself like if that does any good to any other procedure so I start wondering if any good director or cameraguy was now put on the list of the threatened species or something for the next half hour before some action will be taped from distance like if this was back to the 70's and no one demanded too much. It could be a nature TV programme showing off creatures in the forest you just can't get to close to because they will then slip away so ther camera must stand still and so must you and everyone else and keep quiet too. That is five out six hours given the receiving of two very boring DVDs where chicks comes from the street with no artistic input prior to further procedure like if amateurs by now had talken over fucking Hollywood for good. Or it's when it comes to Evil Angel anal thru and thru and a pain in the ass to consider seriously for consumption DVDs maybe with some Darkko exception once or twice a year. He uses good studs always and should have that on his credit. Sweet New Pussy from LeWood I thought had to be an exception. No anal there. Sweet Jesus sing hallelujah. But it was Wood for almost all of the money, and his dick looked just dried up and tired like it was demotivated by the lack off assfucking, shrinked compared to years before, struggling hard to keep up wood. And where had the make up artist gone? Miss Le did not say a word thru the DVD. No fun BTS. One of the girls looked like she could use a shower, and she had this not so old scar on her ass from some skateboard incident I guess. And she looked just tired like she had not been sleeping and been out partying all night or something. I don't get it. A very pale skinned California dude with a pool under a clear blue sky behind big walls but he's not intereseted in using the location much for some fresh outdoor shooting. That's a hard one. And only for about five minutes of scene one. Like if there was dark skies rolling in for the rest of the day or something with him in 3 out of 4 scenes and his pulse getting weaker and weaker but his dick still up like if every stud in the department had left the building but in Bill Bailey we can trust - sure we can. But only for one scene? So I prefer older DVDs from Red Light when it comes to LeWood and DS/NS. And my closets are kinda full. With scenes I have yet to watch even if the DVDs have been in there for up to a decade now I can't buy a DVD and have five minutes of value and from there everything will eventually go downhill with one guy pulling every thread like if he was the new kid in town. When it comes to Zero Tolerance their lack of BTS will do me and my personal entertainment factor nothing good, not when you know you miss the words from the great Quasar around, and I don't find their cameras to be of any specific high class anymore. They used to pull out magic thru them linses way before, let's say 2003-2006 in BTS. And they keep bringing in studs that are average joe's at best on every set. They seem overworked and often overtattooed for the most part like if they were robots and programme machines. And the music is often heard at least hundred times before like ifv the trick was just to push a button or two. And the bonus scene may have nothing in common to the given title. And there's a lack of enthusiasm in the scenery up building I find just boring compared to years before. What was rules is now exceptions. It's a hard seek out for sure. On the brightside I find Reality Kings In The VIP. The four shows put in every piece of DVD sure deliver quite some value and the filming get just better and better so does the chicks... [Link]
balbars Member 668 Posts 4/10	Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 1:14PM I think the gonzo era ruined most of the fun, earlier in the vhs days we had all that silly movies with nonsense plots that were only an excuse to sex act per se, there where hardcore in that days too, few performers did it but it was around too. Internet era changed that, some sites discovered that getting into action was easier, and others follow, nowadays every studio is trying to get their niche. I confess that most of the new euro stuff so popular nowadays is not appaling to me and i preffer the clasical approach but it depends on your preferences and what do you want to watch. [Link]
OnAPornDiet Deactivated User 6 Posts 4/15	Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 3:18PM I love anal scenes, but anything that will cause medical issues should be prohibited. There can be some very debilitating disorders that arise from anal trauma What is the consensus on the proctological health of all the double-anal actresses and actors, once they 'retire'? [Link]
misspornUSA Senior Member I ♥ the male gaze (and Palestine). 8737 Posts 11/13	Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 4:08PM ^When pornstars retire from the industry they usually retire from public life as well unless they return to porn. As far as I know, no ex-pornstar has gone public again in order to discuss whether frequent DAPs have had a negligible effect on them or caused damage. Edited by - misspornUSA on 1/28/2016 4:59:00 PM [Link]
Ben Mockridge Deactivated User 382 Posts 9/15	Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 4:26PM OnAPornDiet wrote: What is the consensus on the proctological health of all the double-anal actresses and actors, once they 'retire'? Click to expand Anal sex is a risk factor in the occurence of anal cancer. http://www.cancer.org/cancer/analcancer/overviewguide/anal-cancer-overview-what-causes Im guessing that double anal isnt going to lessen that risk factor. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 8:52PM balbars wrote: I think the gonzo era ruined most of the fun, earlier in the vhs days we had all that silly movies with nonsense plots that were only an excuse to sex act per se, there where hardcore in that days too, few performers did it but it was around too. Click to expand We still have that and a few years ago during the parody era we had tons of it and yet some people complained loudly about parodies and such movies and wished they'd stop being made. Internet era changed that, some sites discovered that getting into action was easier, and others follow, nowadays every studio is trying to get their niche. I confess that most of the new euro stuff so popular nowadays is not appaling to me and i preffer the clasical approach but it depends on your preferences and what do you want to watch. Click to expand I personally don't like feature movies usually because the plots/stories eat up screen that can be devoted to sex scenes. I get the appeal of having a girl just appear on screen and do some teasing/posing but the best balance for me is short set-ups/vingettes that set up a scenario to give a reason as to why these people are having sex. I think BRAZZERS, NAUGHTY AMERICA, NEW SENSATIONS, and the like do a good job of quickly setting up a scenario/story to drive the sex. The only studio that does features I like is DIGITAL PLAYGROUND because the stories are simple and to the point and move quickly from one sex scene to the next. [Link]
Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07	Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 8:56PM OnAPornDiet wrote: I love anal scenes, but anything that will cause medical issues should be prohibited. There can be some very debilitating disorders that arise from anal trauma What is the consensus on the proctological health of all the double-anal actresses and actors, once they 'retire'? Click to expand From what I understand with proper prepping, knowing your limits and if everyone works together and behave like they're suppose to the girls end up just fine. [Link]
BlackSix All-Star Member pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07	Posted - Jan 29 2016 : 3:35AM Draxxx wrote: balbars wrote: I think the gonzo era ruined most of the fun, earlier in the vhs days we had all that silly movies with nonsense plots that were only an excuse to sex act per se, there where hardcore in that days too, few performers did it but it was around too. Click to expand We still have that and a few years ago during the parody era we had tons of it and yet some people complained loudly about parodies and such movies and wished they'd stop being made. Click to expand All the modern parodies I saw were too half assed with no real attempt to tell a story, be actually funny and engaging or have the performers fuck in character. Even the worst parody/take off of the 70s, like say Vixens of Kung Fu, looks like Airplane in comparison to the gonzo pretending to be a feature of the modern parodies. They failed to work as either features or gonzo and ended uo leaving everyone disappointed so it was only a matter of time til they died off. [Link]

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I'll admit up front that at 50+ years old, I've become my old man. I don't get a lot of the younger generation, and yes, their music is too damned loud.
I probably started watching porn in the late 70s, so that's my referrence point. I read the threads on here such as the things people hate in porn, does porn deminish a woman, etc, and it makes me wonder. I get that a lot of the threads on here are for fringe interests, and that's always been there. But it seems that porn has gone the route of reality tv, which doesn't seem to represent the average Joe/Jane. Years back we had Fear Factor, the first popular tv show that had peole do things that only people like bar geeks did way back in the day, eating weird shit and doing weird things for attention. It was very popular and made it's way into other tv. But that mostly died down over time. People moved on. It feels like the same thing is happening to porn, but it doesn't feel like it will move on.
Back in the day, we, at least the people I knew, watched porn as "if only it could be us". I can't imagine that's how a lot of mainstream porn is watched today. It seems to be more about what can be done to the girl. And I really don't get it. Do most of us really want to be one of not just 2, not just 3, but now 4 guys with a dick in one girls ass? Do most of us want to be a guy that demeans or humiliates a girl? Do most of us really have incestuous desires? What happened to pretty women doing things with guys that we wish we could do? I know that's still out there, it just doesn't seem to be the driving force anymore.
Maybe it's just me....
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^I think more women and heterosexual men are interested in having anal sex now than they were in the late '70s, Point being, what "we" wish we could do changes over time.

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I think most guys have wanted anal sex, and many can't have it in real life, that goes way back. My point is not about wanting to watch anal, as that is one of the things we watched as "if I could do that". But I don't (nor do I imagine the majority of porn viewers) watch 2 or more guys do that to a girl and think the same thing. Classic or pov or intimate porn lends itself better toward living vicariously though the male talent than today's porn does with the direction that it appears it is heading .

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^Though I don't agree with you that the interest in anal sex hasn't grown considerably from what it was, anal was just an example to illustrate that what kind of sex people are interested in is not static. For instance, more people are interested in BDSM now than maybe ever. Now I'm not saying that I necessarily want to be DAPed or that men necessarily want to DAP someone, but obviously the idea of a woman being DAPed appeals to men on some level (though probably not quite in the same way that appeals to me) that it didn't before. That said, there's no trend in mainstream toward DAPs. There's one studio, in Europe, that regularly releases that kind of content.
I have no doubt that many men fantasize about having rough sex, if that's what you meant by wanting "to be a guy that demeans or humiliates a girl." My impression is that many of these guys would not be comfortable having rough sex in real life, but watching it in a porn scene is "safe" so to speak. As for me, I enjoy having rough sex in my personal life and I fantasize about it, so I enjoy watching it and even envy the women in those scenes. However, the production of really rough, mainstream content peaked years ago and has been in free fall for years. Gonzo era is over, and as with DAPs, you're a number of years too late to take about this kind of sex as if it's taken over mainstream porn.

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This is interesting. What era are we in?

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^I'm waiting for someone to name it, lol. Do you disagree that gonzo era is over? It's seemed to me that there is a consensus among fans that gonzo began to decline after 2007. One of the things that I remember is Brazzers revamping to focus on scripted scenarios at that time.

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There is a lot of porn being produced that will suit your tastes. Heck ,Dani Daniels just got a POTY award and she did many beautiful scenes with women, or with a guy and vaginal sex. Nice and simple and enjoyable. She doesn't do anal or anything beyond that. So these types of scenes are celebrated by many people.
One thing you need to consider is this place (ADT). This message forum skews heavily towards anal, group, rough, gangbang, blowbang, and so on. You see thread after thread about it. So, if you do not like this kind of stuff, you may see this forum and think that is the only porn out there and feel discouraged. There is much more out there than we get in threads in the porn pool forum. My porn interests are very wide, and I get certain interests served here; and other interests I look around a bit more.
People knock Brazzers on here; but I tell you, if you really just want to see a man and a woman have great sex with no slapping or rough or anal or anything like that... they can get you many scenes to fit the bill for a reasonable monthly fee. They of course do anal and rough stuff too, but they have a huge library of what you might be looking for. I am a member and it really feeds my enjoyment when I am in the mood for softer types of scenes between two beautiful people.
I hope this perspective helps a bit.

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Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 9:19PM

I can't answer for anyone else, but it's not what I want (for the most part).
I'm in my late 30s and my first exposure to porn was stuff from the 70s and 80s. When I started watching porn regularly in the 90s I enjoyed it until the late 90s or early 2000s when things started getting nastier and rougher. I'm also not crazy about all the cosmetic work and lots of tattoos with the performers these days. But apparently a lot of people like those things these days because it is so prominent.
But with that said there is still some modern stuff and stars I like, but I'd say the majority of what I was watched and most of my favorite stuff is the old stuff from the 70s through the 90s.
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^^It's interesting that you should say that. I remember when Pornstars Punishment was Brazzers' premier site, then *poof* it was gone. 7 months later Bound Gangbangs stopped updating on Kink. Not a fun year for me, lol.
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The first thing you need to keep in mind is that this site is mostly composed of hardcore porn superfans. The average casual porn watcher doesn't put in the kind of time and effort that goes on here following girls careers, joining numerous sites, logging in so much porn watching time, and being so demanding of the porn they watch. The average porn watcher can only name a handful of girls, is far less demanding, and just watches whatever free porn floats their boat. Also, this site mostly made up of a hardcore Gonzo crowd who seem over preoccupied with anal and IR sex. There's all sorts of porn out there and being produced but this crowd mostly talks about a fairly narrow type of porn and view porn that isn't within that spectrum as "bad" or a waste of time. There's plenty of straightforward porn out there where it isn't a circus act or is degrading or rough or weird but it's not talked about much here and we're at a point where much of the top selling porn is the more extreme stuff or is catering to a particular fetish or gimmick.

I agree with you that a lot of porn has from just watching a pretty girl get banged to "Let's see what and how much we can do to this girl..." or "How can we make this different and edgy?"...But I have to think that there are some people who just go along with the various types of porn because they are fans of certain girls or certain studios and do get that wrapped up in the premise of a lot of that stuff. There seems to be a lot of incest porn out there but I buy it because of the performers and could care less about the incest slant. I like IR porn but I end up watching Cuckold scenes/movies because it's IR, not because I'm into cuckolding. I don't get the fascination with creampies but I'll watch a creampie movie if I like the girls performing in them. But these types of fetish movies have their fans so if a studio can figure something to attract viewers they didn't have before they'll do it and milk it to death until the next thing comes around. I watch lots of stuff I'm not really into just to get to the actual sex with girls I want to see. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of other people who do the same thing.

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I really liked Pornstars Punishment from Brazzers... They have lots of stuff, I was just letting this man know that they do produce a lot of what he may like to see.

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Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 9:42PM

Canadian_Cindy wrote:
There is a lot of porn being produced that will suit your tastes. Heck ,Dani Daniels just got a POTY award and she did many beautiful scenes with women, or with a guy and vaginal sex. Nice and simple and enjoyable. She doesn't do anal or anything beyond that. So these types of scenes are celebrated by many people.
One thing you need to consider is this place (ADT). This message forum skews heavily towards anal, group, rough, gangbang, blowbang, and so on. You see thread after thread about it. So, if you do not like this kind of stuff, you may see this forum and think that is the only porn out there and feel discouraged. There is much more out there than we get in threads in the porn pool forum. My porn interests are very wide, and I get certain interests served here; and other interests I look around a bit more.
People knock Brazzers on here; but I tell you, if you really just want to see a man and a woman have great sex with no slapping or rough or anal or anything like that... they can get you many scenes to fit the bill for a reasonable monthly fee. They of course do anal and rough stuff too, but they have a huge library of what you might be looking for. I am a member and it really feeds my enjoyment when I am in the mood for softer types of scenes between two beautiful people.
I hope this perspective helps a bit.
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I agree. I didn't see this response before I posted saying some of the same things.
I personally don't get it when people talk about what they don't like because there's so much content out there there's no need to watch stuff you don't like. If a person doesn't like the new stuff the porn from earlier eras is still available. I watch a mixture of old and new stuff. I don't think one era is automatically superior to another, it's just different.
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misspornUSA
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Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 10:11PM

I know, it's just funny how things change, and how Brazzers was sometimes a microcosm of the industry in that regard. The shift from gonzo, the shift from rough porn, etc.

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chessmaster
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Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 10:16PM

There's no way in hell this site is indicative of what the average Joe watches(even the people that pay for their porn). I don't know what arousal anyone can get from gangbangs and DPs but w/e floats your boat I guess. Seems like most people on here have something against vanilla porn and meanwhile everything anal or more is automatically glorified. Its amazing how many posters have to remind everyone of their hatred for anything not anal or more extreme. I guess its to be expected. The most vocal group isnt always the biggest group.

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misspornUSA
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Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 10:25PM

I don't think we know that. It would seem that pornstars with long threads on the forum are successful pornstars, so that does seem to reflect the mainstream. Blacked is booming and that also has a long, active thread. I don't think these forums are necessarily quite as fringe as you think.

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Dildoslime
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Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 11:02PM

I'm sure I over simplified my point of view in opening this thead. I am in no way basing how I see things just on the content here. I simply used some as examples. I also don't want all porn to be vanilla. I get there is still a ton of vanilla porn out there. And I'm not hating on any of the porn. I don't like some of it, but I have no problem not watching the porn I don't like. I am just wondering out loud if what appears to be the direction of porn, what seems to be becoming mainstream, if that's the porn people want. Through the years, there has always been what would be viewed as basic porn, and fringe porn. I think there's a need for both. I'm just wondering about the fact that the lines seem more blurred than ever, and it just seems to me that that isn't necessarily a good thing.

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misspornUSA
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Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 11:55PM

^I just don't see as much blurring as you do. Imho, your only valid example thus far has been incest porn.

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Posted - Jan 20 2016 : 11:59PM

^^Are you maybe talking about the decline of full length feature porn?

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BlackSix

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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 3:37AM

This is the really interesting thing though. I don't believe that porn is magically some exact reflection of what its audience 'wants.'
This view seems to be built on a naive belief that the production model of porn is some kind of transparent system that simply serves viewers, not being shaped in any way by the commercial needs of the producers, those same restrictions on them and what they produce, the social marginalization of the industry, the personal tastes and preferences of the producers, directors, performers or social norms.
For years very little IR or black-on-black porn of any quality was produced because 'people didn't want it.' Women with big butts were 'fat' and big butts only were supposedly only popular with black and Latino viewers. Women don't watch porn. Girl-girl wouldn't sell. Transexuals were only of fringe interest. Face-sitting or pegging wouldn't sell, etc, etc.
Yet we've seen again and again that when this material is produced well and promoted it often did more than decent business after decades of being dismissed by many of those in the industry. It is only now that tubesite and downloading are starting to hurt the industry that the tide of diversity is starting to turn, unfortunately, as the industry as a whole contracts.
As Canadian Cindy says despite the fans of the more extreme end of rough porn often being the most vocal on forums and elsewhere there is relatively 'silent' but significant part of the viewership for porn who also want to watch 'vanilla,' naturalistic, mutually enjoyable fucking one-on-one.

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misspornUSA
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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 11:29AM

True. But insofar as what zanders59 was talking about, if it weren't profitable it wouldn't be made. There are plenty of alternatives out there to "all the cosmetic work and lots of tattoos", and if people were consistently losing money shooting those kinds of performers it stands to reason that they wouldn't shoot them.

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Dildoslime
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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 11:55AM

^
People are going to pick off the menu they are given when they are hungry. Doesn't mean we don't want a better menu. And to say they wouldn't make it if they didn't make money doesn't mean they wouldn't make even more money if they made a better product. To continue with the menu concept, some of the best place I've eaten at don't have a huge menu, they have a few things that are appealing to the majority of people, and a few "other" things for those that want something different. That's what porn used to be. Now it seems that vanilla porn is heading toward the "other" things.

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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 12:32PM

That's why I mentioned that alternatives exist. There's plenty of porn out there that doesn't fit zanders59's description. Consumers aren't stuck with that one menu the way IR fans (such as myself), for example, were stuck with a certain menu pre-Blacked.

That I agree with.

Besides the incest themed porn, I'm still not sure what you're talking about here.

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Dildoslime
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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 3:15PM

Besides incest....
I went to adult empire and looked up the top ten best selling videos. All but 2 had at least one, and usually more than one of the following.
Ass to mouth
Double anal
Double pussy
Anal fisting
Pussy fisting
Gape
Bondage
Dual penetration
Squirting
Cum swapping
The 2 that didn't have any of those were both interracial.

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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 4:07PM

In reply to the original question, I don't know that porn was ever what we really wanted, because people are all over the map when it comes to what kind of pornography floats their boat.
As for myself, I have only found a small fraction of the available product to be of any interest, ever. My interest is piqued by performers, first and foremost. It isn't enough that a film features this or that sex act. Furthermore, I still have to believe that the director will actually deliver a decent product before my interest rises to the level of making a purchase (ie, really wanting it).
In regard to watching porn as "if only it could be us", I'm not clear on what 'it' is. If we're talking sex acts, uh, no. Porn's got nothing on my imagination, and if I didn't think of it then odds are one of my partners did. That isn't to suggest that I've done everything depicted in pornography, of course. I have no interest in doing a lot of what porn portrays.

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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 4:58PM

^^I'm more of a website girl.
Anal becoming mainstream always meant meant that a2m was going to become mainstream as well imo.
Anyway, the first four entries (two Blacked dvds, a Jesse Jane showcase, and a threesome dvd from Pure Passion) aren't extreme. Then we have an Angela White dvd which has a few extreme firsts. Next is a Tushy dvd, which, as is the case with Lansky's work, is not extreme. Ava's dvd, which has the no. 7 spot, has a gangbang, and a New Sensations movie which follows has some BDSM. The last two movies are a wild Adriana Chechik film and and another Lansky entry, this time from Blacked. Only four of the ten bestsellers have extreme content. Lansky's work is the most represented of any single director among Adult Empire's DVD bestsellers. If Lansky is to be considered representative of the mainstream, what's the problem?
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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 6:45PM

No, I don't disagree. You sort of crystallized something that has been gnawing at me. I wonder, do people insist that we are in the gonzo era because for some people "gonzo" has come to mean a specific style of sex? As opposed to a particular format? Kind of like the word "hardcore" is used by people here on ADT incorrectly to refer to hard/rough sex, when it actually means unsimulated.

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Gore Gore Girl

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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 8:07PM

To respond to the OP, I understand the alarm at what might seem to be an escalation in content with a focus on "doing things to women." There are certainly examples of this. However, I have never really watched porn in the sense of "I want to do that." At least, very rarely and certainly I don't watch it looking for what I actually want to do in real life.

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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 8:09PM

Goldstein prefers one-on-one vanilla sex and hairy pussies.
Plenty of blowjobs, vaginal sex (all positions) and facial cumshots (preferred).
Minimal tattoos, if at all.
I tolerate anal, and can live with it as part of the mix.
No circus acts, and any kind of abuse or humiliation is a deal breaker.
Scat isn't sex -- no matter that there are those that want to masturbate to it.
And, this is fine.
They buy what they want and I don't have to.
The real issue then becomes what becomes considered "mainstream"?
I'm thinking that, as long as there are buffet websites (e.g. Brazzers) and niche websites (e.g. BDSM, etc.), it doesn't much matter to me -- as I can watch what I like and ignore what I don't (see my opening paragraph). There currently seems to be more than enough content being produced so that reasonable people can get what they like.
(Niche freaks will never be satisfied, as the marketplace will never produce the amount of "niche" content they want)

On-the-other-hand, if I'm buying disks, and they start "mainstreaming" content I don't care for -- and I get stuck with it -- then I'd be pissed.
Bottom line: as long as I can continue buying and watching porn I like -- and product is properly labeled so you can avoid what you don't want -- I don't care.

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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 9:20PM

I think porn watchers have evolved over time. I think with some of the common stuff we see today if it had been done regularly back in the 70s, 80s or 90s it would've have been so well received. I can't imagine a 80s audience in general being so taken gagging, slapping, gaping and such. Of course there were people who would've loved seeing that but I think they were a small minority. I think the 70s were all about the audience being able to watch a couple have sex. The 90s were about the audience wanting to see hot girls have sex. The later 2000s introduced the more extreme era and now we seem to be in the how much can we do to this girl era. I'm generalizing of course. The same goes for many of the performers. There are girls now who are big stars that wouldn't have had the same type of a career in earlier eras of porn because being extreme can get a girl just as far as good looks did back when. The big butt era of porn didn't become "mainstream" in porn until mainstream America accepted and embraced it. Yeah, there were always people who like big butts but it wasn't always that big in mainstream porn.
There are times I think it would be cool to have a time machine to put some girls into the era that would best suit their career and skill set. There have been some more extreme performers who never got their chance to shine in an earlier era because there just wasn't much of that type of performance being filmed. And there are some girls today who look great but don't do the more extreme stuff that would've made great contract girls back then.

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Posted - Jan 21 2016 : 11:00PM

I also get what the OP is trying to say here. Like Goldstein, don't really enjoy the anal scenes too much, but (like the guy above says) far be it for me to deny anyone else.
I always leaned towards Digital Sin / New Sensations, cause I always felt like they got it. Beautiful Women being fucked to orgasm. I think that's just a consistent formula for a good porn scene. I do apologize if I'm offending anyone

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All of a sudden, NS is into this incest thing. It's one thing to bang your cousin, but this has gone a little too far IMHO.
A little spectacular, acrobatic sex is occasionally entertaining, and a good show, but as Jeanna Fine said (going back a few years), the best place for sex is just a good, old-fashioned bed.
Ya know, I can't say that my point of view has changed too much over time - maybe the volume has to be a bit louder these days to do the trick, so to speak.
----> Here's an idea that will never happen...the live sex show. Fucking in concert.
Pick me up some tix.

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Posted - Jan 22 2016 : 12:34AM

Well as it pertains to anal sex specifically, there has been a cultural shift toward an increased desire (at least openly admitting to desiring it). As someone who sticks primarily to web subscriptions, I think there's a pretty fair amount of variety in regards to the kinds of sex acts the OP was describing. I would somewhat agree that what is often considered to be "vanilla" sex in an average boy-girl scene is somewhat rougher than perhaps a person may have seen in 70's-80's era porn, which I actually do find to be somewhat disconcerting. On the IR front, I think it's a mixed bag (there's already many threads devoted to that though). This may be a slightly reductive way of looking at it, but I do think it largely depends on what avenues you're looking. Porn in the 70's came from a rather centralized industry, unlike now where producers are attempting to capture eyeballs by appealing to niche crowds as a means of staving off the blow that's been felt by piracy and tube sites.

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Posted - Jan 22 2016 : 12:35AM

whoops, duplicate post my apologies
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Posted - Jan 22 2016 : 2:07PM

Hmm. That may be the case.

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Posted - Jan 23 2016 : 11:20AM

My response was going to be, "I want choices, so everyone's particular preferences can be met. Their are more options now than ever."
For instance: I like Jerk Off Encouragement, and that genre didn't even exist until recently.

As I've discussed in a thread on live sex shows, I used to be a front row guy in Times Square. The theaters that I frequented typically featured 3-4 girls a week; about 50% of the time, one of them would perform with a guy.
Two couples performed pretty often. One girl was a skinny brunette who once very gently stroked my cock with an S&M whip.
S&M-Whip.jpg

S&M was never my style, so I had no idea how nice those things felt until that moment.
The other regular was a chunkier blonde girl. I had the sense that her boyfriend was more into it than she was, as he used to leer at the audience while he was fucking his girlfriend. That said, they were generally more interactive. One time, he lifted her up, sat her down right next to me and continued to fuck her. They were so close, I could have easily groped her. Another time, he handed me a dildo to use on her, but I dropped it on the floor. As you can imagine, the floors weren't very clean, so I lost my chance.
I don't remember seeing any big name performers having on-stage sex, but I've heard that Serena and Jamie Gillis used to.

I would love to see the return of the live sex show, but in today's heavily-surveilled society, I couldn't imagine jerking off during one.

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Posted - Jan 23 2016 : 6:59PM

^ Diversity was the intial promise of the net but now due to the damage wrecked on the porn economy by tubes and downloading the industry is contracting and our options are actually shrinking, not expanding. At least when it comes to quality niche porn.
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CummingLinguist

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Posted - Jan 23 2016 : 7:37PM

^ I half-agree with you on quality niche porn.
I like Jerk Off Encouragement. Some performers are excellent dirty-talkers, so there is some high quality dirty-talking available, though the overall production quality is generally poor to so-so.
I am drawn to a hard-to-find sub-genre of Jerk Off Encouragement. (I would call it hardcore JOE.) I once emailed Casey Calvert to ask if she could do a custom with Veruca James and a guy. Veruca would talk dirty to the viewer and play with herself while watching Casey fuck the guy. She had no problem whatsoever with the request, and based on the responses of some of her fans who have bought customs, the quality would have been pretty high. Still (as I expected) the price was more than I was prepared to pay.
So in theory, high quality hardcore JOE that fulfills my very particular kink is available, but I would need to pay a lot.
I'm not a fan of the genres Kink.com's produces, but it strikes me as high quality. I have the sense that Rob at FTV does good work, and he seems to be into young women masturbating in public. Though I've never checked out his site, I think there is high quality porn that satisfies that fetish.
So given the highly idiosyncratic nature of human fetishes, it may be that if a particular pornographer is committed to doing high quality work, then there will be high quality porn that satisfies that person's kinks.

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Posted - Jan 23 2016 : 7:51PM

There's still good stuff being produced for sure, HardX, EroticaX, Dana and Manuel directing for Evil Angel, sites like Blacked, I Feel Myself and Kiss Me Girl I've enjoyed. Most of Kink isn't my thing but quite well done as well.
But while still healthy new g/g from the major studios seems to have gone away, Silvera's production rate has slipped so quality TS and strap on material is rarer.
Good BJ and handjob series are nearly gone, the better POV work of Mike John and Swine has preciptiously slowed. Most seriously quality black-on-black, latino and black directed material seems to have taken the biggest hit during the economic contraction.
PS.
I'm a big fan of JOI videos as well, Siri and Caroline Pierce did great videos. I do wish more of it was made with bigger performers and in better quality too, there is good stuff being done but it is often buried in the cheaper less inventive deluge.
But part of the growth JOI is probably the shrinking profit margin for video porn.

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Kink Williams

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Posted - Jan 25 2016 : 10:53AM

CL, Damn. That's a great post - awesome pic, already in the hard drive over here...
Yes - i too remember the days of Show World Center, et al. had some times, but never a scenario in there quite like that, though.
Had an encounter with a dancer in a FL gentleman's club on a road trip about 10 years ago. These spontaneous...uh..occurrences do tend to be memorable.
As far as the live show, I would not mind waiting til later on to pull junior out...it'd be a small price to pay.
It is sad that we've gotten so anal-retentive on this subject, with all the other issues in our laws involving or daily lives that remain unresolved. It seems the last venue of pure hedonism is the AMP - even that's disappearing.
I tried to start a thread on this myself, it went nowhere.
Live Show...the future?
It focused on the Jakeline Teen/Rob Diesel live show. Not sure where exactly that took place - naturally was not the USA. Wherever it was - seems like a good idea. I mean, you can't pirate a live show... at least not live.
Not too familiar w/ Diesel , but Jakeline Teen is almost always spectacular.
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Kink Williams

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Posted - Jan 25 2016 : 10:56AM

ok...Barcelona

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biggins
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Posted - Jan 26 2016 : 2:25PM

After looking at capt Jacks pictures from the
recent avn photos what I see is how beautiful these women
look in spandex shorts, office or business attire, dresses and
street clothes. I miss this look in porn. Some of the old( 75-95 )
vintage had many of the girls dressed like this. In other words,
more imagination.
Don't get me wrong, I loved gonzo and still do. There is
just not the long BTS like there used to be.

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Posted - Jan 26 2016 : 11:50PM

moebius22
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Posted - Jan 27 2016 : 1:19AM

There used to be a time when a two guy DP was concerned extreme. Now it seems like if you're not starting with 3 guys+, it's not good enough. The girls doesn't even get a chance to perform. She's just a emotionless dick sucking machine getting pumped. Legal Porno is one of the worst abusers.
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Kink Williams

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Posted - Jan 27 2016 : 8:11PM

And yet we still cant get a live sex show goin'...

Seriously the potential of the genre would be incredible. There's no question: the stars fuck better today.
Imagine a Manuel Ferrara Raw episode live. How many here would shell out bucks to see, for example, Manual and Mia Rose fuck each other's brains out live - or another couple with similar chemistry.
I've always thought Jakeline Teen was a great performer - especially her scenes with Nacho were crazy. Watchin those two live would be worth the price of admission.
That thing that went down in Barcelona was so raw and unscripted - basically an orgy that went on in an abandoned warehouse or some damn place. With some theatrics thrown in.
It was a great idea - and well done.
More please...even if its overseas.

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Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 9:56AM

Seems like much of what is regarded new is made for the internet and not for consumption by the DVD and HD-TV people but that does not necessarily make it any fresher if it wasn't for the new girls. They too often seem overworked these days and not that fresh at all even if they're New and supposed to. It's the same old studs around and they may not be that good any more like if they have been doing too much now.
I have my eyes on Jules Jordan and I am quite aware of that company's preference to producing quality for the DVD market. Almost every other production company did the things way better before. Digital Sin/New Sensation must be the worst excample I can think of. They throw out quantities like there's no tomorrow and it's not watchable mostly because of lousy acting and lightning and no make up at all even if I don't like make up I don't like the combination of pale skin and poor/bad/too much lightning walking hand inn hand with stupid "Brothers do their sister"-titles and BTSes full of stupid questions about "what superpowers you would like to have" & "how old were you the first time..." followed by amateurish acting by non actors soooo I have given them up by now. There seem to be too much viagra guys around there as well like if the chicks wasn't any tempting. Hate that for a fact. I don't pay to be pissed. Evil Angel too are pissing me off too much these days. It's a Waste of Money as in James Deen pulls off slowfood porn in his home some where and nothing happens except for slow dialoguetalking where nothing happens and a camera that motherfuckin never change angle and Deen has to break up progression to walk over and manhandle himself like if that does any good to any other procedure so I start wondering if any good director or cameraguy was now put on the list of the threatened species or something for the next half hour before some action will be taped from distance like if this was back to the 70's and no one demanded too much. It could be a nature TV programme showing off creatures in the forest you just can't get to close to because they will then slip away so ther camera must stand still and so must you and everyone else and keep quiet too. That is five out six hours given the receiving of two very boring DVDs where chicks comes from the street with no artistic input prior to further procedure like if amateurs by now had talken over fucking Hollywood for good. Or it's when it comes to Evil Angel anal thru and thru and a pain in the ass to consider seriously for consumption DVDs maybe with some Darkko exception once or twice a year. He uses good studs always and should have that on his credit. Sweet New Pussy from LeWood I thought had to be an exception. No anal there. Sweet Jesus sing hallelujah. But it was Wood for almost all of the money, and his dick looked just dried up and tired like it was demotivated by the lack off assfucking, shrinked compared to years before, struggling hard to keep up wood. And where had the make up artist gone? Miss Le did not say a word thru the DVD. No fun BTS. One of the girls looked like she could use a shower, and she had this not so old scar on her ass from some skateboard incident I guess. And she looked just tired like she had not been sleeping and been out partying all night or something.
I don't get it. A very pale skinned California dude with a pool under a clear blue sky behind big walls but he's not intereseted in using the location much for some fresh outdoor shooting. That's a hard one. And only for about five minutes of scene one. Like if there was dark skies rolling in for the rest of the day or something with him in 3 out of 4 scenes and his pulse getting weaker and weaker but his dick still up like if every stud in the department had left the building but in Bill Bailey we can trust - sure we can. But only for one scene? So I prefer older DVDs from Red Light when it comes to LeWood and DS/NS. And my closets are kinda full. With scenes I have yet to watch even if the DVDs have been in there for up to a decade now

I can't buy a DVD and have five minutes of value and from there everything will eventually go downhill with one guy pulling every thread like if he was the new kid in town.

When it comes to Zero Tolerance their lack of BTS will do me and my personal entertainment factor nothing good, not when you know you miss the words from the great Quasar around, and I don't find their cameras to be of any specific high class anymore. They used to pull out magic thru them linses way before, let's say 2003-2006 in BTS. And they keep bringing in studs that are average joe's at best on every set. They seem overworked and often overtattooed for the most part like if they were robots and programme machines. And the music is often heard at least hundred times before like ifv the trick was just to push a button or two. And the bonus scene may have nothing in common to the given title. And there's a lack of enthusiasm in the scenery up building I find just boring compared to years before. What was rules is now exceptions. It's a hard seek out for sure.
On the brightside I find Reality Kings In The VIP. The four shows put in every piece of DVD sure deliver quite some value and the filming get just better and better so does the chicks...

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Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 1:14PM

I think the gonzo era ruined most of the fun, earlier in the vhs days we had all that silly movies with nonsense plots that were only an excuse to sex act per se, there where hardcore in that days too, few performers did it but it was around too.
Internet era changed that, some sites discovered that getting into action was easier, and others follow, nowadays every studio is trying to get their niche. I confess that most of the new euro stuff so popular nowadays is not appaling to me and i preffer the clasical approach but it depends on your preferences and what do you want to watch.

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Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 3:18PM

I love anal scenes, but anything that will cause medical issues should be prohibited. There can be some very debilitating disorders that arise from anal trauma
What is the consensus on the proctological health of all the double-anal actresses and actors, once they 'retire'?

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Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 4:08PM

^When pornstars retire from the industry they usually retire from public life as well unless they return to porn. As far as I know, no ex-pornstar has gone public again in order to discuss whether frequent DAPs have had a negligible effect on them or caused damage.
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Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 4:26PM

Anal sex is a risk factor in the occurence of anal cancer.
http://www.cancer.org/cancer/analcancer/overviewguide/anal-cancer-overview-what-causes
Im guessing that double anal isnt going to lessen that risk factor.

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Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 8:52PM

We still have that and a few years ago during the parody era we had tons of it and yet some people complained loudly about parodies and such movies and wished they'd stop being made.

I personally don't like feature movies usually because the plots/stories eat up screen that can be devoted to sex scenes. I get the appeal of having a girl just appear on screen and do some teasing/posing but the best balance for me is short set-ups/vingettes that set up a scenario to give a reason as to why these people are having sex. I think BRAZZERS, NAUGHTY AMERICA, NEW SENSATIONS, and the like do a good job of quickly setting up a scenario/story to drive the sex. The only studio that does features I like is DIGITAL PLAYGROUND because the stories are simple and to the point and move quickly from one sex scene to the next.

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Draxxx
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Posted - Jan 28 2016 : 8:56PM

From what I understand with proper prepping, knowing your limits and if everyone works together and behave like they're suppose to the girls end up just fine.

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BlackSix

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Posted - Jan 29 2016 : 3:35AM

All the modern parodies I saw were too half assed with no real attempt to tell a story, be actually funny and engaging or have the performers fuck in character. Even the worst parody/take off of the 70s, like say Vixens of Kung Fu, looks like Airplane in comparison to the gonzo pretending to be a feature of the modern parodies. They failed to work as either features or gonzo and ended uo leaving everyone disappointed so it was only a matter of time til they died off.

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