Come on people, post! There needs to be more discussion about the format on here, because I'm tired of Digital Playground producing all the Blu-rays here, damn it.
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| mr_sphinx Member 117 Posts 10/08 |  Posted - Apr 29 2013 : 3:24AMHi all, I've posted here about this before, and even on different forums as well, but I'm getting really tired of having to buy porn on DVD in 2013. I have a wonderful new Blu-ray player and a fancy HDTV that makes my DVDs look very good indeed, but nothing (not even HD downloads) looks better than a Blu-ray. I have heard the arguments that it costs too much and labels were losing money. That's all well and good, but this was 2008 and 2009, that was eons ago in terms of Blu-ray adoption. Today, many, many more people have Blu-ray players, and even more people have HDTVs, and would only need to spend less than $100 to buy a player. I appreciate the studios that are still producing them, like Digital Playground, Elegant Angel, Hustler, and occasionally, Penthouse, but if you don't like their porn, you have no incentive to buy their Blu-rays, so it's a bit of a self-defeating cycle. We all know niche porn is a huge market, so where are the oral titles, the g/g titles, the black titles, the creampie titles, and so on? I realize money is tight for some of you, but costs are not what they were, and I would like to see SOMEBODY step up and put out a Blu-ray this year. but if you're going to do it, please do it right. Don't do it like Brazzers, who were more excited about hawking their 200th DVD which included their first Blu-ray, than actually selling their first Blu-ray (and it is crap quality, at that). Please make a press announcement for it, and if possible, either use a BD-50, or keep it under two hours and encode it properly with a decent bit rate. This shouldn't be difficult, you just have to realize that it is important to create awareness, especially in a market like adult films--if people don't know it exists, they won't buy it. And if you were to do this, let me be the first to tell you: I would be willing to pay a small premium for this. Nothing huge, mind you, but $10 more than the DVD price? Hell yes! And maybe even a bit more than that, depending on the circumstances. Surely someone in the industry has a Blu-ray player and enjoys watching mainstream Blu-rays, yes? Is it that much of a stretch to see that I'd like to do the same again with porn? [Link] |
| mr_sphinx Member 117 Posts 10/08 | Posted - May 3 2013 : 2:54AM Come on people, post! There needs to be more discussion about the format on here, because I'm tired of Digital Playground producing all the Blu-rays here, damn it. [Link] |
| Amateur A2M Fan Member 387 Posts 3/10 | Posted - May 3 2013 : 3:33AM [Link] |
| bootymeister Senior Member Gravity as Curved Space: Bootymeister's Theory of General Relativity 1589 Posts 11/08 | Posted - May 3 2013 : 9:51AM Unfortunately, many people do not really care that much about picture quality. Studios could release high picture quality on DVD, but they have tended not to for years. I have aquired some of the DP and Wicked DVD/Blu-ray combination releases. The picture quality of these DVD discs matches that of the Blu-ray discs on my equipment. I watch the DVD instead because the menu system is easier to use. Perhaps all Blu-ray players are created near equal in delivering picture quality. But the best DVD picture on an HDTV is given by a Blu-ray player using an HDMI connection. One needs to research, to find which Blu-ray players deliver top pictyre quality when playing DVDs. Unless things have changed, DVD picture quality varies among different Blu-ray players. Marketing and PR by the porn industry is pathetic. Several years ago when the industry flooded retailers with Blu-ray and that other HD formatted disc type, the industry made the mistake of grossly overpricing the Blu-ray discs, making customers unwilling to buy them to even try, let alone switch to. The overpricing also made retailers unwilling to rent them, therefore noone tried them. Meanwhile, the movie industry was selling Blu-ray discs at a price comparable to DVD discs. Additionally, if the porn industry keeps crying about piracy (not that anyone in thier right mind cares or is even listening), it would market something that is not easily obtained via piracy. I am very disappointed about the picture quality offered by the industry on disc. The porn industry can and does deliver poor or mediocre picture quality on Blu-ray too. [Link] |
HeyNow  Oblivious Gold Star Hey! 5965 Posts 1/03 | Posted - May 3 2013 : 10:18AM [Link] |
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| kripes Member 418 Posts 8/06 | Posted - May 3 2013 : 8:25PM [Link] |
| Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - May 3 2013 : 9:35PM Jacco [Link] |
| mr_sphinx Member 117 Posts 10/08 | Posted - May 4 2013 : 2:41AM And yet, there must be something in it, because Digital Playground hasn't let up, and neither has Hustler, nor any of the uncensored JAV labels, who release several Blu-ray titles a month for almost $40 a pop. Now that the market is there and the economy is starting to look up, I'm sure a $40 Blu-ray from, say, Evil Angel, or Vivid, or Hard Candy would move enough units. And sure, not every title is worth the cost, but surely one a month?! Or even every two months? Somebody can't afford SIX TITLES in one year? Maybe not the smaller labels, but some people are just being tight-assed at this point. A lot of you need to get over this ridiculous trepidation and begin to slowly test the waters. I will gladly pay money for Blu-rays, but DVDs, not so much. [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - May 4 2013 : 4:20AM Edited by - ninja1 on 5/4/2013 4:32:11 AM [Link] |
| cimfan Member 500 Posts 3/10 | Posted - May 4 2013 : 2:31PM I remember seeing all those Blue Rays a few years ago and remember noticing the difference in price. It was a bit too high considering my desire was the content on DVD, not the type of DVD. I'm guessing this means the market for porn to be delivered on standard DVD must still be very high. My entire collection is in that format and the picture quality and sound are excellent. Maybe when I have to buy a new player and get into blu ray I'll have a higher appreciation for the OP's thoughts but I'm not there yet. [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - May 4 2013 : 4:29PM for DVD. Possible they prefer to use SD instead of full HD to reduce disk storage requirements? Most blu-ray disc cost more to rent also. Its not really worth paying extra for blu-ray vs DVD and like somebody said above I think most porn fans don't care about blu-ray quality. Most of the guys I know care more about watching sports in full HD than porn. [Link] |
| Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - May 4 2013 : 5:08PM Producing porn and running a website are two very different jobs and the smart producers use an experienced webcompany like Gamma Entertainment to run their paysites. Doing it all yourself is, except for some very big companies, a recipe for disaster. Back to Blu-ray: it's simply a money thing, for most companies it's not worth the investment. Jacco [Link] |
| shalalin Senior Member 1734 Posts 11/07 | Posted - May 4 2013 : 9:16PM It's got to affect the marketplace that so much porn is now shot by companies who have little incentive to offer HD content on disc since their HD focus is on downloads and the disc market is just a throw-in where standard DVD might be cost-effective but Bluray probably isn't. And that's some of the biggest web-first players - for smaller companies it's probably not even a passing thought (heck, many don't even release standard DVDs but are happy to put 1080p content on the web). [Link] |
| tintintin Senior Member 1230 Posts 8/07 | Posted - May 5 2013 : 12:11PM [Link] |
| Amateur A2M Fan Member 387 Posts 3/10 | Posted - May 5 2013 : 2:35PM [Link] |
| Jacco All-Star Member "liable to deprave and corrupt" 2673 Posts 5/04 | Posted - May 5 2013 : 7:42PM Jacco [Link] |
| mr_sphinx Member 117 Posts 10/08 | Posted - May 5 2013 : 8:54PM Notice that Blu-ray porn, by contrast, is far less torrented. Sure, you can find them, but it's far less convenient for pirates to take the time to upload an entire Blu-ray rip, than it is to upload a web download, or even a DVD. I still contend, however, that most of the new porn being pirated originates from download or VOD sites and not from physical media--the studios have simply made it too easy by putting so much content online. Companies could fix a lot of their financial woes if they would stop releasing their content as web downloads and go back to only releasing physical media. At least then, you would always have to get at least one sale before your movie is pirated. And I still don't buy the problem of cost, it just doesn't make any sense that companies in such dire straits can afford to produce so many DVDs, but then, Blu-ray, by contrast, is still too expensive for even a few titles a year. Look at all the compilation DVDs that come out, does anybody really buy those? If you like the porn, you've probably already bought the DVDs or web scenes the compilation has. And yet, the amount of seemingly redundant DVDs that come out is simply staggering, again, considering that money is supposed to be so tight. So, cut five or ten of those out and make a Blu-ray...simple. The more I think about it, the more infuriating it is, actually. I mean, you have consumers, like me, here begging to pay top dollar for your product, but you don't want to get involved. I mean, it's just another reason not to bother supporting anyone's content anymore...it's like several of you need a good kick in the head or something. [Link] |
| ninja1 Senior Member 2939 Posts 1/08 | Posted - May 5 2013 : 9:16PM [Link] |
| mr_sphinx Member 117 Posts 10/08 | Posted - May 6 2013 : 2:30AM I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. VOD and member sites have probably become the #1 source of piracy in porn. I had Jules Jordan on here try to tell me that all of his piracy comes from DVDs, yet he ignored that scenes from his as-yet-unreleased DVDs were already on the torrent sites, and in 1080 resolution, at that! Perhaps three to five years ago, most piracy came from physical media (i.e. DVDs), but if you think about it, a pirate can join a studio VOD site for a year, for the cost of between 3-6 DVDs, and then they get access to the massive backlog of scenes, as well as twelve months of new scenes, delivered early, before they hit DVD, and often in HD quality--buying a DVD is rendered practically useless for pirates now. Yes, physical media does contribute to piracy, but it is MUCH easier for pirates to simply join the member web site and then download all the scenes before the DVD comes out. And most every major title gets a VOD release on or near the physical media release date from somewhere...if it's not the label's membership site, then it's a PPM site like AEBN or HotMovies, or Gamelink or Adult DVDEmpire. Just because they are identified as "DVDrip" or even "BDrip" does not mean they actually came from a disc source, and as we've gone over, it's extremely rare to see a 1:1 torrent of a Blu-ray. If a label had the balls to release not a major title, but a moderate one, only on Blu-ray and not on DVD or VOD, I would hazard that it wouldn't be torrented for a few months, at least. And even then, there would probably only be a handful of them around, which could easily be deleted. Edited by - mr_sphinx on 5/6/2013 2:39:59 AM [Link] |
| OLJ Member 108 Posts 10/12 | Posted - May 6 2013 : 6:58AM [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - May 6 2013 : 9:37AM For me personally, I don't care about Blu-ray porn. I have a Blu-ray player and HD tv and buy most of my mainstream movies in Blu-ray when possible but when it comes to porn I just don't care enough to spend the extra cost. I buy DIGITAL PLAYGROUND Blu-rays because there's no option not to and the price is reasonable. But even watchig those movies I don't look at them and wish I could see all porn at that level of HD. Regular DVDs have a pretty good picture these days and I'm fine with that picture. To me having HD porn isn't important because isn't not like Hollywood movies where I'm watching the whole thing in one setting and watching great cinematography, acting, FX locales, soundtracks etc. [Link] |
| Draxxx Senior Member 3831 Posts 2/07 | Posted - May 6 2013 : 10:00AM In fact...I'd be more willing to pay extra for those on Blu-ray than most of the regular release stuff. [Link] |
| shalalin Senior Member 1734 Posts 11/07 | Posted - May 6 2013 : 12:09PM [Link] |
| mr_sphinx Member 117 Posts 10/08 | Posted - May 6 2013 : 10:52PM ^^To Draxxx, my concern is that the companies that stopped three to five years ago are making assumptions based on data from when they were selling Blu-ray titles...which was three to five years ago. Blu-ray adoption has increased significantly, and costs have come down, since that time. It simply can't be that expensive to try one or two titles, and at today's standards, they could hopefully be made better than they were. Many companies have equipment that shoots at or better than Blu-ray quality now, but they still consider that most people won't buy a better version of their videos. I contend that the market is now too small to draw conclusion about how new Blu-rays would sell, and the only remedy is for someone to grow a pair, step up, and try it again. I've bought a number of Blu-rays in the past year or so, because I have found them cheap, but that's because they are all at least a few years old...and as I've said before, I would be willing to buy new Blu-rays for much higher prices, and I would even get compilation Blu-rays as long as they were done with quality in mind. You can't really expect to get accurate data on how a video format would sell if all of your releases came out over three years ago. We need to have a couple of new titles from a couple of unusual suspects, it's as simple as that. [Link] |
| Bill All-Star Member 5334 Posts 6/00 | Posted - May 6 2013 : 11:03PM If Jacco's Blu-ray Printing Company opened and there was one facility for mainstream Blu-ray discs and a separate facility for porn Blu-ray discs, Disney would do business with you (provided you met the rest of their quality control requirements). Disney has the same policy for DVD's as well. Edited by - Bill on 5/6/2013 11:04:02 PM [Link] |
| asswideopen Member 8 Posts 3/09 | Posted - Aug 11 2013 : 2:50PM The problem for me is that I love hard anal gonzo porn and Digital Playground is too soft for me. Other companies don't release often on Blu-rays. I would pay up to 10 $ more, too for Blu-rays but there are not that much good one available. The best gonzo series on Blu-ray is Romantic Anal Moments from Sineplex but there are only two titles out right now :-( . But Vol 2 was the best porn bluray I bought:  please, please, more of Blu-rays like this!!!!Edited by - asswideopen on 8/11/2013 2:51:41 PM [Link] |
| StevenWelch Senior Member I love Tory Lane! 3615 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Aug 11 2013 : 4:33PM Shame really - i have a player and its much better than DVD. I help my friend with his adult shop in the UK. I can assure you that its the internet that initailly made studios much money is now destroying it. Yes there is piracy but what affects the sales of DVDs and the few Blu Rays is the internet sites that allow the viewer to watch porn for free. This has smashed sales of the product. It now means that in ETO magazine - Erotic Trade Only - the trades magazine that the monthly new releases section has gone from 2-3 pages to half of one column of text. So the industry is in deep trouble as the income source = the product = the DVD sales has gone. So Blu Ray unfortuntaely isnt relevent which is a shame but thats life. [Link] |
| zambi Senior Member 1451 Posts 3/10 | Posted - Aug 11 2013 : 6:37PM |
| Smiler Grogan All-Star Member the war cry 14790 Posts 1/08 | Posted - Dec 25 2013 : 2:40PM The big problems seem to be exactly what Jacco mentioned. Cost is a big factor, combined with the niche nature of Adult. Still, Digital Playground and Hustler are still putting out a lot on dvd. I wonder what they're doing that makes it worth it to them, whereas its not worth it to Vivid and Wicked? [Link] |
| StevenWelch Senior Member I love Tory Lane! 3615 Posts 12/12 | Posted - Dec 26 2013 : 5:13AM BluRay is fab i agree and its a shame but it is a technology dead-end. Big shame. [Link] |
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