Does anyone know why we do not see big name Japanese porn stars such as Mai Hagiwara and Ami Ayukawa in US porn. European porn babes seem to come over to the US to do a shoot or we go there. Is there a reason that we do not do the same with Japanese stars? There are many beautiful Japanese women that I would love to see in US porn.
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Posted - Dec 31 2004 : 5:49PM
Good question , and one which I have asked before. The only thing I can think of is that it comes down to money. Euro girls can probably be had for a lot less money than the Japanese chicks.
I thought that someone has previously posted that the reason is that organized crime runs the porn industry in Japan. Apparently, they won't allow the girls to come to the US.
This may be completely wrong. I'm just repeating something that I remember reading.
It's a long way to travel to get to a place where you don't know people, might not speak the language, and might not make more money than you were in Japan. I can see it being a pain in the ass for a star to make that trip, and what would be the motivation? I'm sometimes surprised we're lucky enough to get the European stars we do.
Heck, we almost can't get women outside of California.
Weren't RLD and Vivid both planing trips to Japan ? I've not heard anything about that for a long while , so maybe it didn't come to anything . Anyone know the story ?
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Posted - Dec 31 2004 : 8:55PM
I heard that too Bill, but have never found anything to back it up. I wonder if the Yakuza is to blame or that is just an overblown myth like the mafia running the whole porn show in .
I hope that what Lee O heard is true though- I love the Japanese chicks and would love to see some movies with them involved with American directors and actors
Edited by - cleetus vandamme on 12/31/2004 8:58:27 PM
Some Jap companies like Moodyz have already produced videos in which a Japanese pornstar is gangbanged, like the following:
http://www.moodyz.com/works/genre/gaijin_1.html
I just wish Hiyori Shiraishi, who is prettier than any other asian pornstar in the western industry and who has a body to die for, would get to work with western actors.
From what I have seen there are many extremely beautiful Japanese porn babes. The two I mentioned above are favorites along with Sora Aoi. I would love to see any of those girls in a US porn flick.
Nail on the head. I spoke with one of the reps for an asian studio we deal with and he said the girls are afraid to work with american performers. Plus, they can make around $10K per scene. Why leave home???
I would love to see more Japanese/Asian women performing in Western pornography. I see women like Anna Ohura in porn videos, but I am not a fan of how they film their videos, with the rape overtones, the lackluster action, and the mosaic effects over the genitals.
Who knows, Americans have penetrated the European market to great success, and the South American market to some success, so hopefully in the next few years, we could see more natural Japanese women in American porn. :D
WOW, guys! This was an extremely interesting thread for me, being a lover of Asian women and all. However, I find it really annoying when multipleposters continue to include entire posts and every previous post in a reply. I know it must make following the thread a tad easier, but I was wondering if anyone else found this irritating...is it just me?
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Posted - Jan 10 2005 : 11:48AM
Yep, and imagine what the "import" of Japanese women - known for their ability to swallow cum - would do for the swallowing-genre in US productions....
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Posted - Jan 10 2005 : 12:31PM
This would be a real coup to get some of them to work in the USA. Do many of them do anal?
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Posted - Jan 10 2005 : 1:01PM
There's plenty of anal, but only because there's plenty of Japanese porn. But it's not like you see it in every film. Anal movies are a special genre, and you can't simply expect it as a give. Problem is that they mosaic it so it's not that great.
I've thought about going and talked to a friend who lives half of the time in L.A. and in Tokyo. When he told me the prices in Tokyo I immediately forgot about it.
Speaking of money, there is no comparing between shooting porn in Eastern Europe and in Japan. No brainer. As long as porn shot in EE keeps selling, there is little motivation for any company to go to Japan.
Related to what I said above, the industry doesn't know how much demand there is for Japanese stars. After all, if Jenna Jameson agreed to do an anal scene for a gonzo scene, it's not hard to imagine that some companies would be willing to pay whatever she demands. But they are not as willing to pay for a trip to Tokyo.
The cheapest way is, I think, for companies to invite Japanese stars to the valley on the condition that they guarantee the money Japanese stars are making in Japan. Otherwise, there is no motivation for Japanese stars to cross the ocean because, as somebody pointed out, staying in Japan pays them better.
Lastly, but not the least, I don't think there is anybody in the valley who has a strong connection to the Japanese porn industry. There is no Japanese version of Mark Spiegler. I don't know what kind of person Steve talks about above, but I don't think it's that easy to go there, call talent angencies, rent locations, and start shooting porn. They need someone to coordinate that for them.
Having said that, to my knowledge, Traci Lords was the only person to produce porn shot in Japan (i.e., Traci takes Tokyo in 1986). Think about this: if an 18-year-old can do that, why not other people?
Another, but related, issue is that I think that a very few people in the American porn industry watch Japanese porn.
(You can talk about the mosaic issue all you want. But I would rather watch Japanese stars' face covered with a large amount of semen than close-ups of pussy and ass without a face. I think other Japanese porn wathers agree with this. After all, if you want to watch close-ups, just grab any America porn. You get plenty of them!)
For example, judging from his post, Brandon Iron doesn't seem to be well versed in the Japanese bukkake and gokkun genre, although he produces movies of the same genre here. If they don't watch Japanese porn, how can they be interested in casting Japanese porn stars in their movies?. Sad for us, but this is pretty much the end of the story.
That wouldn't be the problem for me. I know Japanese producers. I had some people from Japan staying in my place in Budapest while shooting in Europe. They told me they would set everything up for me if I want. It is just to costly for me to shoot there.
As for the 1st movie, looking at the screenchots on adultcdmovies.com, Ed is nowhere to be seen. There are Japanese actors (who I think are chocoball and helicopter man) doing Japanese actress. I highly boudt that Ed was physically in Japan shooting the scenes. I suspect that he obtained these scenes somewhere else and added them to his scenes.
As for the 2nd movie, there are no screenshots and no boxcover to judge. But this movie seems to be a compilation. Again, I think it is unlikely that he went to Japan to shoot new scenes for a compilation title.
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Posted - Jan 12 2005 : 11:30PM
Where do you get the idea it is a compilation? The IAFD states otherwise. Excalibur has a box cover, with Ed surrounded by asian girls.
Rebecca Lord and other European girls have shot in Japan as well. I don't remember the titles, but I do recall an article about it in the French magazine "Hot Video".
Renee said: "Did you ever notice how in French cinema , the people love to wallow in the meaninglessness of life, while sitting in cafes and smoking the umpteenth cigarette of the night. It's a wonder they don't all kill themselves."
Where? Excalibur states that its running time is 240min. Other Tight Shots titles have a 4hr running time too. I just don't know how consistanly accurate iafd information is.
I know some foreign actresses have been to Japan. See earlier post about Aurora Snow and Rita Faltoyano. But that's more like "Foreign Porn Stars in Japanese Porn".
Lastly, none of those Japanese actresses' name ring a bell. I by no means claim that I am familar with all the Japanese actresses ever to come on the Japanese porn scene. I just thought that if he did go to Japan shoot this movie, what is the logic of hiring these less-known actresses (his preference?) and employing them for only a few scenes.
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Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 12:01AM
Here.It's not. But the same goes for Excalibur (and then some). I am willing to bet that they are confusing the Ed Powers directed vid with the first installment of the Vivid comp line called Tight Shots , the one you can find here. The IAFD has a scene breakdown, and a reference to a magazine review. Adam Film World didn't do many reviews of compilations.What's the difference between Traci Lords making porn in Japan and the others that were mentioned? I have the seen the Traci Lords vid, but I don't remember if SHE was the producer. Didn't she simply go to work for a Japanese company, just as Rebecca Lord and the others? I don't remember, I am just asking.Because that is Ed Powers' niche. The box cover blurb even makes a mention of it: "Presenting a whole new way to look at amateur."
Cyberchicken said: "Fucking in porn should never be faster than the movement of the viewer's wrist.
I think that the difference is that the Traci movie is produced by her company and directed by a guy named Steven Cartier (info from iafd). I don't remember all of Traci's career, but this movie is one of her last movies and I don't think it's that unlikely that in her later career, she had a substantial control over her movies. Also, I don't remember that that movie had any indication that it was a Japanese production. So, I think that makes it US porn.
Now, as far as I know, the other movies in which non-Japanese stars appear are all Japanese productions.
Again, if those Ed Powers' girls were indeed Japanese amateurs, I just wonder how successful Ed Powers was in picking up amateurs in Japan. Money? Maybe.
Flipping this around the other way : why don't more European and American girls go and shoot in Japan ? If they could earn so much more mulla I'd have thought a couple of months stay in the land of the rising sun could be very profitable ! Jessica Alba is apparently a huge star there , as is Jennifer Love Hewitt . As I understand things it appears that Japanese men love the perfect looking younger European looking women . Jo (Monica Sweet) could really clean up !
Have you ever suggested a Japanese trip to any of the girls you've performed with , Steve ?
Sorry that I am not Steve, and if you don't like my explanation, just ignore it.
My first reaction to what you said is that, just like the demand for Japanese porn stars is unclear here, the demand for non-Japanese porn star is unclear in Japan. You brought up the pop star analogy. But I don't think that works for porn. After watching a lot of Japanese porn, I realized that the Japanese porn industry and fans favor sort of cute, barely legal, just-turned-18 looks on porn stars (there are exceptions, of course). I know that someone is in haste to point out that there are non-Japanese porn stars who perfectly fit that description. But I think the question is, do Japanese fans still want to see non-Japanese stars in place of those perfectly fine Japanese stars who are capable of swallowing 150 loads?
More practically, American and Euro porn we see every day is widely available in Japan. So, what is the benefit (for the Japanese porn industry) of having non-Japanese stars in Japan? Of course, there is a small segment of Japanese porn watchers who prefer non-Japanese stars. They would be happy to have them in Japan. But I don't think this segment is big enough to justify the move.
I obviously skipped the most practical matters such as the ease of transportation (visa for East European stars, flight fares, etc.) and the cost of living in Tokyo.
There ARA many girls who go to Japan and make good money. At least from Budapest I heard it from quite a few. They shoot movies and dance there.
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Posted - Jan 13 2005 : 2:00PM
I've seen box covers of white girls in JAV. Most of them are Eastern Europe including a lot of Russians. They do occassionally feature Americans. I think Wicked has a deal with a JAV company and I've seen Sunrise Adams in a thing or two. Once I saw Aurora Snow on a box cover.
As we have seen, this is not the case. Another example would be this series with Russian girls.
The Japanese could have created the Western male-Japanese female genre themselves if they had an interest in this, which would be roughly equivalent to the US/European (predominantly BM/WF) IR market, but I see any that there is a significant IR market (BM/AF or WM/AF) in Japan.
I think the Japanese don't like to see their girls being fucked by outsiders, but they do like to fuck some outsider pussy themselves.
Here is a thread where this was discussed before link
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Posted - Apr 10 2021 : 6:46PM
Bumping a thread from 2005 because it always mystified me why Japanese pornstars are so segregated from the rest of the porno world. We see a lot of female pornstars head over to do work in Japan, but never vice versa. Are they basically told not to? Are they paid significantly more in Japan than they would be paid in Europe or of the US?
This has been brought up a few times before on this forum, but there are a few possible reasons here:
First of all I don't think many are interested in appearing in Western porn in the first place, maybe even afraid to do so and why would they want to leave Japan when they are making really good money already? Many JAV actresses don't speak English. And while the salaries in JAV seem to have gone down over the last few years, compared to the aforementioned 2005 numbers, thanks to an ever-growing talent pool and an overall decline in sales, though it doesn't seem as steep as in the West, they can go pretty high and it's not like the Western porn industry is in the greatest shape either, especially in times of COVID and OnlyFans. Japan's porn industry was only slightly afffected by the pandemic and is more or less running at full steam again and while OnlyFans and Japanese equivalents exist, they do not seem as popular in Japan. There is also the fact that many girls are contracted to certain studios.
Then there is a crossover factor for pornstars in Japan. Many continue their careers as singers, tv hosts, make appearances in mainstream movies/series, show up in commercials and so on. Japanese celebrities in general are often jacks-of-all-trades for the lack of a better word and there seems to be a higher permissibility than in most other countries. And that's not just limited to Japan, but the same is true for other Asian countries as well. Japanese porn is really popular all over Asia, so you have an incredibly huge potential market. Yui Hatano, one of the most popular JAV actresses of all time, has graced a metro card in Taiwan with her face, which led to some controversy a few years ago. Retired pornstar Sora Aoi has millions of followers on Chinese social media. And so on. And given you are a big star in Japan or maybe even big parts of Asia already, you probably still would have work up your way to the top again after moving to the US or Europe. I don't think it is a coincidence that the few Japanese women that actually have appeared in Western porn weren't exactly big names in Japan before their move given they had even worked as pornstars at that point.
There is also the fact that they would sort of undercut their censored careers in Japan with uncensored porn, plus the huge stigma that exists with exposing your genitals, so they might figure it's not really worth it. The fact that many JAV actresses won't perform anal whereas Western porn seems pretty anal-focused. How differently many women in Japanese porn are presented. Not really as "uber-sluts" but more as the innocent girl next door type. Differences in how the industries are run. I could go on and on. So it's probably for the better. Japanese porn is my personal favourite and seems so different from the West in many ways that I'm not sure if a transfer would even really work out.
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