I'm almost confused why some people are so against internet-only rosebud scenes. I get the initial reaction, but I think it's a lot safer for Jay to keep prolapses off of his DVD releases. It's one thing when they're talking about films like "Milk Nymphos" in an obscenity case, but I really don't want those obscenity people hiring doctors to figure out if it's safe for a girl's rectum to hang out of her asshole. It's just too extreme, and content that extreme can help drive traffic to one of Jay's websites, all while keeping it from being used as ammo against him later. This wasn't that long ago:
I really hope you will reconsider this - as there are perverts like me who will actively seek out and buy any DVD's like this you put out. I'm aware some people may find this gross (as indeed some people find anything anal gross point blank), but as others have suggested why not keep this material for a dedicated title/line? 'Anal Rosebud Sweethearts' maybe? ;)
I respect your opinion but I think it is crap that anyone would say "it's gross keep it off your dvds" etc, etc. You will never please every person with every creation you make, it's impossible. I'm very into the prolapsed asses! I think it would be cool to do atleast one experiment rosebud dvd and see how it sells and maybe you will end up picking up a shit ton more fans along the way. The people who don't enjoy rosebud's can still enjoy your other great anal titles coming out without watching rosebud movie. Maybe you could collect prolapsing shoots over time and put it out as a bonus dvd inbetween your titles you do now. You will never know how it will turn out until you TRY :) In other words, keep up the amazing work jay :)
It's not like Jay is burning DVD's in his basement. I don't know for sure, but I would assume other people at Evil Angel have probably talked about "rosebuds on DVD". I don't think this is just a simple decision based on not wanting to seem "gross". If it is, then I apologize, and I understand your pain, because I originally wanted a rosebud series. I just don't want my favorite director putting himself in such a potentially bad situation. He would be the only big director putting out DVDs with such extreme content. He would be a huge target, and I'm sure a lot of people find gapes and milk enemas "gross", but I don't think that word accurately describes how most people feel about prolapsed rectums. Just remember what we really want: Jay Sin shooting rosebuds. That is so much easier if he puts it on the web. Why should he be so risky for our convenience?! With all the crazy shit on the internet, why was John Stagliano and Evil Angel being attacked? Because of DVDs.
I highly doubt that muscle tissue in assholes 'falling out' is consider obscene to a judge. After all, the prolapse is connected with the performers body it's not like they are being injected with liquids and what not. I don't agree with any of the obscenity laws except for child porn. I would think that according to a jury, milk shooting out of an asshole is more obscence than someone's asshole coming out. Prolapsing, gaping, farting and runny ass juice all comes with anal sex people!
I dunno, maybe the days of being able to buy hardcore porn on DVD are numbered, and everyone should just switch to downloads. I mean the content is the main thing obviously, but I miss the days of actually buying and owning a DVD. It seems as though we're already banned from seeing fisting, squirting, milk enemas and anal creampies on Evil Angel DVD's these days. For the uninitiated, is there already 'banned' material like this available for download which isn't available on the DVDs? Edited by - davebowman on 11/12/2010 5:40:13 PM
I feel the exact opposite. People know that injecting liquids is humanly possible, but some consider it weird. I really don't think most people even know anal prolapses exist, and when they find out, they probably think it's pretty horrifying. Jay Sin takes our fetishes to the next level with style we've never seen before. He finds girls from overseas and sometimes from the internet because of their talents. All I'm saying is, if Jay decided not to put rosebuds on DVD, it's probably for a good reason.
Hey Jay, any news on Bree Olson's scenes, as you can imagine we really love that girls, and it's exciting to know she will be in the next gape lovers, and maybe as an awesomely dirty girl in pretty sloppy, and your other lines. She is truly one of a kind, cute, beautiful, fun, and a real slut that loves to be slutty :)
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budlover Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 13 2010 : 12:13AM
OK, so if I buy a subscription to EA on Demand so I can watch the rosebud scenes, can I then burn them to my own DVD? (A.) Is it possible? (B.)Is it legal? (C.)Can anyone tell me how to do it? If its copyright infringement I won't do it. It's just that I dont really like watching my porn at my computer. And Jay if you think this would cause you to be targeted by the justice dept DON'T DO IT. As much as we all want this niche to be explored we dont want our favorite director put out of business or worse. Thank you for bringing us the things you already have even the ones I don't really care for, as it is more than made up for by the ones I do like. I know I have been one of the loudest voices for this and I think it would sell like a sumbeach but maybe the world ain't quite ready yet.
I think Jay would put the content on one of his websites. You could just download at what quality you want and then burn to a blank DVD. You probably already have DVD building sofware on your computer. Once you figure it out, it's actually pretty easy, and way more convenient. It kinda sucks that more people aren't a member of Jay Sin's websites. His past, current, and even some scenes from future titles like PS3 and Winking 101 4 are all there for instant streaming or fast download(for me 1MB/s+). I'm looking at Isabella's perfect butthole and rose right now. Oh yeah, you get a lot of other Evil Angel director's website when you sign up as well(I counted over 25 bonus sites). When I think about it, it's probably thousands of dollars worth of high quality Evil Angel DVD content. I feel like I'm promoting his sites, and I'm not really trying to, but they really are fucking incredible.
and once again do i not understand why it´s a difference "how" you put your stuff out. DVD and/or Inet As long as people want to destroy porn they will have a big party if stuff comes out that caters to their plan. Nobody is forced to buy stuff they don´t want to see so why is it so hard for those assholes to wath the other side then ? Personaly, i find it more than ridiculous going after milk enema movies form JAY SIN. Those people should take a vacation to Japan and see what kind of movies they shoot ! By browsing the net you sometimes run across this or that site by accident and i can tell you this stuff is so fucking gross you have problems to find peace of mind again Cube Edited by - cubesnake on 11/13/2010 5:41:23 AM
I equate the internet video vs. DVD thing to my music purchases. I would rather have more of my unique musical interests readily available by purchasing internet music, than wait for enough mass consumers to justify it being available on CD at the retail store or mail order CD store. One bit of good news for g/g rose fans is that, thanks to Jay's being on the leading edge, that genie is already out of the bottle, so to speak. I am seeing and hearing about a slight upswing of g/g rose scenes from copycat directors, but none at the level of JS.
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Posted - Nov 13 2010 : 5:12PM
He must be Filipino. He look exactly like Manny Pacuiano with a wig on!
Let me elaborate...For example, some Jay Sin fans find it gross, but everybody here probably likes gapes. "Most" people aren't trying to see huge gapes, so I bet when most people see a prolapse, "gross" isn't a strong enough word. They would probably think they are seeing bloody murder. Like it or not, everybody here knows what a prolabsed rectum is, because it comes from anal, and we all happen to be fans of Jay Sin. Just knowing what it is, alters our perception of it. I just think most people's mind would go to "WTF HAPPENED?!", as well as gross, unhealthy, scary etc. Edited by - BradfordS on 11/14/2010 5:20:08 AM
I'm a big fan of all Jay Sin's work and I've been watching the prolapse debate on the forum for a while now. So in answer to BradfordS I would say, like me, that most fan's of Jay Sin like the messy anal stuff (Pretty Sloppy, Milk Nymphos, Anal Buffet etc) and love gaping (Gape Lovers). However from what I've seen so far I can't say that I enjoy seeing the girls' prolapse. Now I have no problem with Jay Sin for filming it nor any performer that wishes to do it for him or anyone that wants to watch it. However if it is something that is going to become more and more of a feature in his work I hope that he will create a new series for it or just include as a bonus feature. In that way the fans that enjoy great gaping can watch that without fear of a prolapse around the corner and the fans that want to see prolapse can buy into a new series of dvd featuring what they want to see. If one of my favourite performers decides to take part in prolapsing anal then of course I'll be curious and watch and maybe start to get into it who knows but for now all I know for certain is I love gapes not prolapse! There is just something about that pink ring and big dark black hole. I don't really need to see any roses come out of there. As always with these kind of posts I hope I have explained myself well to you all. If I haven't then please ask me here and I'll try to explain better. Of course I'd love to hear Jay's response if he has time. Cheers for taking the time to read it if you did.
Anal Acrobats 5 Thanks Jay! Once again you blow my mind away with the movies you're delivering. Kylie Ireland and Jayda Diamonds with their soft milky white skin with Sean Michael BBC stuffed all the way up both women asshole is just perfect. Please give Kylie more scenes in your movies. Two apples up her asshole? Wow! And Jayda is as always fucking amazing. Make sure there is a camera around her prolapse asshole all the time. Anal Acrobats 5 was just really, really good. And one of the hottest of the series. Also really love the intense ass and gapes licking between Alysa and Lara. Love to see prolapse gapes getting tongues. Phoenix Marie! Balls drainer. Wow! Fucking gorgeous woman.
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Posted - Nov 14 2010 : 11:10PM
Jay...just watched Pretty Sloppy 3 on evildemand site. It is your best yet....loved every scene & the girls were so into it !! I don't know how u do it but keep doing it !! Onto PS4....
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budlover Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 14 2010 : 11:26PM
Ok heres the deal while there is a question about how the rose action will be recieved , the genre is not without precedent. If a person cares to look there are several DVDs out there with a lot of prolapse action in them. I can think of at least 6 or 7 from sticky video as well as at least 3 from Mila Shego. I know because I have them in my collection. So I dont really know if legally it's an issue, I think it's more of a personal taste issue. I am sure that if Jay chooses not to put this stuff on DVD someone will, I was just hoping it would be Jay as he is the best in the biz. And he knows how to get the girls to enjoy what they are doing, and thats what matters to me. I hate the " violent shit so many of these f@$^%$s are doing now.
Woodsy I agree completely with you. I would prefer it be in its own series as well. Like you I enjoy many of Jays titles but there are a couple I dont really care for like the PS and for the most part the AB stuff but I have no problem with those who do like them. From what I see on this forum some of us do have a problem with the prolapses, but obviously not me. What if Jay didnt want to shoot stuff like Pretty Sloppy because some people find it disgusting? Seeing 5 cup globs of mucus passed from one mouth to another, now to me thats effing gross, and a rosebud doesnt even compare. So to each his own, I am just trying like the rest of you to get the best director out there to produce the best porn out there whatever the niche. Anyway please consider this when stating opinions as people have tastes that vary as much as people themselves vary, and we all have our fantasies whatever they may be. I do think as do others that there are certain things off limits such as snuff, rape, scat, and for me I dont really care for fisting unless its girl-girl as men fisting always seems to be too rough and while I love to see women do insanely nasty things ,I dont like at all when they are hurt.
I'm glad that I didn't come across as hating the lovers of the prolapse. I realise that as a fan of the Pretty Sloppy and Anal Buffet stuff that many people would say that what I love is disgusting. So as I have series of DVD that cater for my pervertions I feel so should the prolapse fans. Thanks for understanding budlover and the quote I took from your previous post I completely agree with. I'm so happy that there are starlets that are willing and enjoy performing the messy stuff and that Jay is there to get the best out of them!
Jay, I think when your contract is up with evil angel you should join a company that allows creampies, then start ending every ffm scene with the guy shooting his load in one of the girl's asses and the other licks it out. I also like the shots where one girl is doggy style getting her ass licked and the camera's over her back and the girl doing the licking looks directly into the camera [mod edit: image removed due to violation of the image policy. Read it before posting any more images.] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 11/19/2010 10:57:50 PM
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Posted - Nov 16 2010 : 10:03AM
Hey black six I know those things are crimes but that doesnt stop some directors from portraying those things in their films and there are a-hos out there who like the portrayal of those acts, you dont have to commit the act itself just the portrayal of it speaks to the sickness of it. I dont know what you were trying to say but I'll stand by my statements. Hitting a woman is also illegal, yet you can find it in many mainstream pornos including some produced by Evil Angel. Lets be honest here if you find violence to be a turn on then you're sicker than me. That is why I am a loyal fan of Jay Sin, and with rare exception buy only his DVDs. To those of you who like violence in your porn I feel sorry for your wives if you have one and though I am not religious I hope one day you get yours.Nuff sed.
jaysinxxx and analacrobats are now under the aegis of famedollars - and this sucks, because most of the scenes that were available before are now scheduled for updates in the coming months. i don't have any clue what the idea behind this might be, but i guess it's just plain ignorance. longstanding subscribers of the network don't have any reason to stay members.. however, there might be some hope that with this change milkenema goes online finally. greetings, sinspector. btw: i like aggressive and rough porn.. but everyone has to decide on his own upon this. still, i guess that any kind of violence has had always huge market potential. this sounds unpopular, i know. Edited by - sinspector on 11/16/2010 1:11:28 PM
There is a difference between aggressive and rough sex/porn and violence. Each person's definition of this can be very different. Rocco is a typical example of this. Some of his scenes (directed or performed) feature great rough sex but others become unwatchable for me as I really feel for the girl(s) performing. If you watch Kristina Rose and Bobbi Starr in Rocco Ravishes L.A. they say that they love the aggressive scenes but there are other girls that don't tell the same story (one of which is on ADT somewhere but I can't remember where). Anyway this is Jay Sins thread I'm just using this as an example.
i totally agree with you that each person has his own notion regarding the boarder between aggressive and rough porn. anyway, i think that rough porn (the one where you 'feel' for the girls, as you say,) is fascinating to some audience as well, because the expressions of the performers ain't fake there. i mean, what's the whole thing with gapes and prolapses.. they are just evidence that real - and really hard - sex happened. but like you i don't wanna go further into this matter, as this is indeed jay sin's thread, which i do really appreciate, because he manages it to reconcile the freaks and the do-gooders with his work. greetings, sinspector. ps, bobbi star and kristina rose are just unwatchable for me btw.. no hard feelings.
Those are fighting words..lol I was reading the last few comments, and I really get what everybody's saying(except for that crazy statement I just quoted). Everybody has their own opinion about what's disgusting or "too far". I really love everything Jay does, and I just don't want him to lose fans and/or business. It just concerns me when the most fearless director says:Btw..I'm really saddened that Jay's websites have changed so drastically right after I gave him so many props. That's the last time I will ever review a website. I'm very sorry for this Budlover, and I hope Jay decides to do a rosebud series on DVD.
Ahmen to this, love it! [mod edit: cropped quote] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 11/19/2010 10:59:37 PM
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Fernandez Deactivated User
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Posted - Nov 16 2010 : 4:40PM
Jay, this is the way ass eating should be shot. Not interested in the back of a girl's head, or the top of her head, or hair falling over her face. Anybody know where this pic came from?
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budlover Deactivated User
421 Posts 7/09
Posted - Nov 16 2010 : 4:48PM
I may have been a little judgemental and guilty of what I have accused others of when I ststed my opinion on the rough sex thing, I just find it offensive when girls are hit in the face and it obviously hurts them, a smack or two on the ass aint so bad but again thats just my opinion. I don't know anything about the websites but it sounds like they are just after more money, but if you lose customers (fans)the bottom line will suffer anyway so maybe they will figure that out. Anyhoo sounds like maybe I wont get my wish after all which sucks especially since I am the one who invited Dirty Garden Girl to join us on the thread and was really looking forward to seeing her in a Jay Sin release soon. Hopefully someone will pick up on this fetish and release some Budlover specials. Wish I was a freakin' porn director , cause then we'd have some rosebutt action for sure. Jay I love your movies and will continue to buy many of them so dont stop what you are currently doing, just expand.
First of all, Jay, DAA3 is for me your best movie till now!!! Just watched the scene between Alysa, Diamond Kitty and Sea J Raw and man, it's HOT AS HELL!!! The part with the toy in the asses of Alysa and Diamond with Sea J Raw who does a lot of ATOGM is for me what porn should be! Thanks dude!!!
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Posted - Nov 16 2010 : 10:09PM
The scene contains 30 minutes of lemon juice spitting/rubbing, and 1 minute of rimming. Glad I didn't buy.
Hey Budlover, I have also been eagerly anticipating some scenes with Dirty Garden Girl, specifically with Roxy Raye. Remember these posts from Roxy and DGG awhile back? Roxy says: I love prolapsing my ass but the girl in that video has an insane prolapse that i've never seen before! lol I want to put my entire mouth around that asshole :) Just plain awesome! DGG replies: Wow Wow Wow that is very hot Roxy....some thoughts of my own, we rub our prolapses together mmm mmm you gape your ass wide doll and i will push my monster insane prolapse into you///omg thats got me hot.. I'm fan of yours and you are scorching hot ! Another post from Roxy: I've been wanting to get one of those pumps :) it would be super hot to pump out the little ass lips (as well ass the rosebud) and watch them get swollen. I'm still holding out hope that Jay will get these two together and show us exactly what they described. I would also have to request that they include my particular fetish, asshole sniffing. Preferably on DVD, but if it ends up on the internet I guess I'm fine with that. As long as it is uncut. Both of these girls seem to have disappeared from this thread.
^ Well It is going to happen early Dec. That is the plan As for my site, Gamma is encoding web only content and will be up soon as well as the milk site. If some of the long time members here have quit because of the content being the same. ( I would too ) I will let you know when a bunch of web only worthy content is up and coming constantly.
Jay can you give a timeline of when the milk site will be, it's so annoying to get ambiguous information, such as coming soon. How soon a month, two months, three months, six months. At least an indication. This is the same problem with sineplex great movies, but information so very slow.
pornography wasn't sex but fantasies of an impossibly hospitable world 12377 Posts 9/07
Posted - Nov 17 2010 : 3:14AM
My post came across more pissed than I intended, I just meant to say that what you should say is simulated rape and snuff, as I'm pretty sure no one is commerically producing actual rape and snuff videos.
^ By the new yr it will be up and running. I could of launched it already, but I want it to be full of new exclusive scenes and not just the older milk scenes I have shot.
^^ this sounds great.. maybe, jay, you can tell us as well what movies we may expect in the coming months. as you announced that there will be two movies per month from now on, so i wonder what's the other december release besides anal buffet 5. maybe you can tell us as well what we can expect for january and february. thank you very much, greetings, sinspector.
I totally agree with the cream pies. Thats the 1 thing missing that would make jays brand of porn the ultimate. shot in jays style with huge gapes, ass licking and the odd rose here and there, the addition of anal cream pies in the mix would make it complete. i'm familiar with ea's policy, and i respect that, but anal cream pies are still being shot, its just a shame they're not being done by jay. maybe with the web only stuff, like with the prolapses, we might get to see anal cream pies from jay...? [mod edit: cropped quote] Edited by - killbillvol69 on 11/19/2010 11:00:41 PM
Jay Sin @ Adult Empire Unlimited
Posted - Nov 12 2010 : 2:34PM
